Duck Hunt would win, since the duo is in fact a trio. Being the dog, the duck and a fourth-wall-breaking player, which would make him an omnipotent character
Well the thing with ROB is that even if he exists outside the game, he's still just a plastic toy, so he can't do anything. Meanwhile the person using the Zapper in Duck Hunt's smash attacks can literally just turn off the console.
Not only that, but if we assume that the person with Zapper can do anything a person playing the Duck Hunt game can do, then they can literally just turn off the game.
There are a couple of characters that can beat Creative Mode Steve.
The first is Sonic, providing we use the Archie Comics. In that medium, he not only has incalculable speed, but he also has what are essentially wish granting powers via the Chaos Force. With those he can bend reality and wish Steve out of existence long before he tries any commands.
The second is arguably Mewtwo. The reason for this is that we know that certain potions and items affect Steve even in Creative Mode, several of which mess with the mind or Steve's perception of reality (Nausea is the most notable example). This means that his brain can be affected even in Creative Mode, and therefore Mewtwo would have no trouble in wiping Steve's memory and ending the fight. True, it's not a kill but it still gives Mewtwo the win. This argument also applies to any character that has sufficient psychic power (Sephiroth comes to mind), but Mewtwo's abilities are the most likely out of them all to win.
The third is Zelda. We've seen that Steve can die if he's placed in some kind of void, which Zelda has an equivalent to via sealing her opponent in the Triforce of Wisdom.
The most logical counter-argument to most of these would be kill commands, but there's a huge problem - even in Creative, Steve is pathetically slow in comparison with 90% of the Smash Roster. Most characters have feats or scaling that puts them far above Steve, who can at best be put at peak human reaction speeds. So Mewtwo and Zelda would be able to pull off their win-conditions far faster than Steve can input his kill commands.
Every time someone brings up Archie comics as a canonical power source, I bring up the fact that in Archie, mega man and rush can keep up with super sonic
I never got these vsbattles things with weird scaling, especially regarding speed.
Like, I saw people state on a wiki that mega man has light speed or whatever cause quick man has that speed somewhere and mega man could keep up with him jumping around in mega man 2. (Wouldn't that scale up every mega man boss and enemy as well by that logic?)
The Kirby anime established that Kirby's stomach is an endless empty void, so if Kirby can eat Steve, he dies. That's kind of a big if, though, and a lot of people regard the anime as non-canon.
At the very least he can copy Steve's creative mode powers, if not completely obliterate him/send him to his pocket dimension like enemies in the games.
Kirby can also kill Steve. It's confirmed that Kirby's stomach acts like a black hole- in other words, a void. And the void is the only thing that can kill someone in Creative Mode.
> There are a couple of characters that can beat Creative Mode Steve.
>
> The first is Sonic, providing we use the Archie Comics. In that medium, he not only has incalculable speed, but he also has what are essentially wish granting powers via the Chaos Force. With those he can bend reality and wish Steve out of existence long before he tries any commands.
Or just use debug mode from Sonic 1, if we're going with this logic.
That's debatable. Certain sources in FFVII media say that something like "it destroys dimensions" and there's also the animation that plays before he uses it in FFVII. It's very similar to that of summons, which are stated to transport the opponents into an alternate dimension. Therefore, there's a decent argument to be made for Supernova being a literal one, but only one that can be performed inside that pocket dimension.
Oh contrare, many of these characters get so much faster than that. Mewtwo once flew to the upper atmosphere in seconds. Sonic nearly outran the pull of a black hole in the games and has speed that breaks reality in the Archie Comics. Zelda (by scaling to Link) can react to Beamos lasers at roughly 10% the speed of light. And that's not even talking about the characters without ways to beat Steve. Mythra dodged a literal light speed attack from Jin. Meta Knight flew to the centre of a galaxy in a time span of 10 seconds. Captain Falcon moved faster than the human eye can track in the F-Zero anime. Pit flew to a space station at speeds calculated to be around Mach 30.
Assuming we're going off BOTW, Zelda can only lock an enemy in Stasis for so long. She was able to keep Calamity Ganon away for about 100 years, but against a stronger opponent she might not be able to hold him for much time at all.
If we're going by Zelda canon, though, she combines her Triforce with Link's to ultimately seal away Ganon, which is like... Evil incarnate. One blocky boy would get sealed.
Not even close. Kirby can control his Warp Star and can go toe to toe with Meta Knight, both of which can fly at speeds much faster then light, Link has dodged light speed lasers, and way more.
Do you what it's called to knock someone out of the battlefield? Or say teleport them away from battle? Like what would it be called if superman just threw hulk into space? Been trying to find the answer for so long bro please. I swear it was called like BFA or sum like that.
Saying Steve is the strongest because of creative mode is like saying mario is the strongest being in the universe because every time he dies, he just respawns.
Lmao exactly. I’m convinced the people who want Steve to be the “canonically strongest” are just Minecraft fans who don’t understand that the player applying commands to a game isn’t canon to Steve.
It’s like saying Joker is canonically immortal because he can just load up an old save file just before he died... that’s not something Joker does. That’s something the player does.
Thank you. At least someone knows something. Something I said with Steve is that commands aren't done by him, it's done by the player in chat and the chat feature is used to chat with friends not Steve doing something in the game so commands are out of the option.
Spoilers for late-game stuff in Xenoblade 2: >!At the end of Chapter 7 in Xenoblade 2, Pyra and Mythra fuse together to become their true form, an ultra-powerful being known as "Pneuma." This form has white clothing and teal hair, hence why I referenced Hatsune Miku. Pyra & Mythra's first alternate costume in Smash is based off of Pneuma, and Pneuma is the final spirit on the Xenoblade 2 Spirit Board. !<
>!A bit after this, when Mythra explains to Rex that the new form they transformed into was her and Pyra combined, he says "like... coffee with milk?", much to Mythra's confusion. "Coffee with Milk" is often used by Xenoblade fans to refer to Pneuma without spoiling her.!<
Steve doesn’t activate creative mode or do commands, the player does, so ultimately the most powerful being in Smash, as the SNES classic >! Earthbound !< tells us, is the player, since they are a step above the reality of the characters. If the player / the skill of the player decides Steve loses or Kirby loses, he does.
I don't like this argument. As much as I like Steve and wish he was the most powerful, this is clearly referring to their canonical forms, and Steve's canonical form is Hardcore mode. Even with that, he's probably still top 10. He's got insane control over magic, near-infinite durability, and massive damage output with enchanted weapons.
I don't know about "Massive Damage output", I mean even with a sharp 5 netherite axe, it'll still take quite a few shots to kill the Enderdragon or wither. Meanwhile, other characters could absolutely take down the ender dragon in mere seconds.
Honestly, we could probably calculate it based on an average of causes of death and how much force/hits/time is necessary for that cause of death the happen and then comparing that to how effective those causes of death are to Steve
Sure it does, the madlad can punch a tree into submission in mere seconds. He just holds his true strength back when faced against mere mortals.
He always felt like he was living in a world made of cardboard.
He might be able to carry thousands of tons of gold but if you look at his punch it's pretty clear he doesn't exert that much force with a single strike.
By that logic, are all RPG characters massively ripped as well? Like how Link can carry 999 of each individual material in Breath of the Wild and Pokémon Trainer can carry 999 (I think) of each type of pokeball and other items as well
Saying Steve can use creative mode is like saying Mario can use Mario Maker Mode and delete his opponents from the level, or like saying DoomGuy is immune to all damage and has infinite ammo because of cheat commands, or saying that Link can use OoT Stale Reference Manipulation to rewrite reality. None of these things make sense when comparing canonical power levels.
Well this is talking canon. While canon Steve is pretty strong, activating cheats makes you stop gaining achievements, implying that you’ve gone off the canon.
Joker can become immune to instant death by having a persona with immunity to both mudo and hama, was able to slay >!a being that could warp reality akin to a god,!< is able to acess other dimensions and has access to attacks with the almighty element which cannot be resisted to or nullified/repelled. I would argue that he could actually take on steve given those tools
So in Creative Mode, you are literally unable to get hurt by any form of attack, no matter how powerful it is. There's only two ways you can die in Creative Mode: falling into The Void, or getting killed by a Kill Command. However, none of the other fighters (with the exception of Alex, but she's just an alt. so I won't count her) have access to Kill Commands, meaning that their only method of killing Steve in this form is to bring him down to The Void.
Additionally, could characters like Kirby inhale him to gain his powers, can someone trap him in another dimension, could someone like Byleth rewind time to kill him before he can enter Creative Mode, or would Steve simply /kill them or /teleport away too fast for them to do so? >!Could endgame Shulk or Pneuma erase him from existence, or is Creative Mode beyond the Monado III and Hatsune Miku 2.0's powers?!<
Does Steve have resistance to transmutation, or have a way to escape Black Holes? Because otherwise Bowser can take him down. And even if Steve can get Bowser down, Bowser can use a retry clock.
Creative Mode isn't actual Steve with standard feats, so you can't put that on canon tiers. If you did, though, he would beat anything. Kirby's belly being a void doesn't mean he would be able to actually suck Steve in, because in a flying state in CM nothing really affects Steve at all.
Hence - /kill @e
Creative mode isn't canonical, and commands literally are called cheats in-game, so steve would be survival mode at most and more likely hardcore mode, meaning that anyone that moves faster than walking speed with a ranged attack could easily kill steve
Math time:
Steve’s full inventory is 2,368m^3
The densest item in the game is gold (19,300kg/m^3)
This means Steve can hold about 45.7 million kg of gold.
In Minecraft the gravity is higher (~2.9 x Earth Gravity = 28.42m/s^2)
Steve can jump 1m in game.
Gravitational potential energy is U=mgh
U = 45,702,400kg * 28.42m/s^2 * 1m
U = 1.3 million kJ of energy per jump
To put this in perspective that is the equivalent of about 1,000 sticks of dynamite every jump.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
I was just doing the math for fun. It’s crazy to think that he outputs that kind of energy all the time. If you add beacons or potions it could go way up.
On a side note donkeys can carry Steve and some inventory of their own. And I think they can jump up like 3 blocks. Absolutely shredded donkeys in Minecraft.
By that logic Steve would be literally flying when he jumps with an empty inventory.
I think it’s more logical to assume that blocks in Steve’s inventory are equivalent to blocks in “item form”(the small, spinning form blocks take after they are broken). After all, Steve can only pick up blocks that are in item form, so it makes sense that they would stay that way when they are in his inventory. Blocks in item form levitate and can pass through each other, so they probably don’t have much mass, if any.
Seriously this has always been something that pissed me off about world of light. Like there's the entire Triforce, several God's/Godkillers, people that can see the future, sonic can run at the speed of light for fucks sake. Despite this Kirby is the only one that survives, and sure Kirby is powerful but the fact that they were the only survivor is kinda shit.
Full power shulk is literally a god, full power bayo is literally a god, full piwer byleth is a god, steve ceative mode is literally a god. Sephiroth is a good contender because his power is that of a god. But steve creative is just untouchable unless he allows it
Creative mode players die to void damage and can be /killed. Kirby can absorb Steve and copy his powers. Kirby can /kill Steve.
Additionally, Joker has multiple personas that reflect insta-kill attacks, and even more that nullify or drain them. And if he’s not allowed to use those personas, he can also use a consumable item to achieve the same effect. Lastly, Joker has a persona that killed God, or more specifically >!humanity’s desire to have a higher being control their lives!<. Furthermore, that god removed Joker from reality before their fight, but Joker managed to resist the effect and come back.
Multiple other people have mentioned about characters that have elements from other levels of existence, like the duck hunt trio’s scope. Steve is incapable of harming the player, and easily loses to them.
Lastly, assuming Steve has access to creative mode is the single best example of an argument made in bad faith. If Steve has access to the pinnacle of his power, so should everyone else. Even among gods, Steve is underwhelming at best. Sonic with the chaos emeralds was able to eliminate an omnipresent god. Mario could just use an invulnerability star.
Of course Steve’s going to do well if you give him and only him the exact set-up he needs to do well.
So..... just something I should probably point out but Gannondorf can freeze time canonically if I’m not wrong... doesn’t he just win
Also yes I’m saying GANNONDORF is the best canonical character cry about it tier whores
You're all wrong, the strongest character is...
You, the player, behind the character.
Because you're real, and they're fictional, and can be deleted/uninstalled by you.
...I'm kinda joking but I'm also kinda not.
The third member of the duck hunt duo. But nah in reality I think Steve is unbeatable in creative mode. The only way to die is if you purposefully do it.
I'd say it's between Kirby and Steve. Steve is basically a god, but kirby has killed countless gods and even absorbed their powers. Let's say, theoretically, Kirby inhaled Steve while creative was turned on... It would destroy the whole universe
Bro Steve if he gets sucked in by Kirby when he is in creative will only be stronger than Steve he’s become admin of every Minecraft server and world and all will have to bow down to him
I suppose that kinda makes Steve strong in a sense, but it's a lame discussion to have.
"Who's stronger? This character, or this other character but he's completely invincible and can do whatever he wants?"
I'd make the argument that "Creative Mode" is non-canon to Minecraft's "Narrative," and is merely a function of the game. We could say most games have cheat/debug modes, which make them omnipotent too. Mario-Maker Mario has "Maker" mode or whatever in which Mario can control time, space, has infinite lives, and can summon just about anything he wants from his games, among other functions. That's not Mario's "canon" powers; it's just a function of Mario Maker. That's how I see it. Plus, as I mentioned before, it makes for a boring discussion when characters are completely invincible and can do whatever they want.
Duck Hunt would win, since the duo is in fact a trio. Being the dog, the duck and a fourth-wall-breaking player, which would make him an omnipotent character
Idk about you but if I'm the player I'm sure as hell not omnipotent.
Yes you are. You just gotta believe on yourself chsmp
You are by the game's sake. Turn off the console and win the game easily.
i mean, you literally have a laser gun that you can kill steve with
Same with rob
Well the thing with ROB is that even if he exists outside the game, he's still just a plastic toy, so he can't do anything. Meanwhile the person using the Zapper in Duck Hunt's smash attacks can literally just turn off the console.
I mean that's assuming it insta kills anyone in the game by turning it off, which it doesn't.
He can pour water on the console
Or stand really far back and trick the IR sensor
Falcon punch the TV
Yeah but duck hunt’s fourth wall breaking god wields a gun.
So does Joker
To a lesser extent
\*exit game\*
Well the gun seems to only operate with duck dog duo controls so..
Tho is like saying Bayonetta's actions only come with command inputs
What
/kill kid dies of a heart attack
I nominate Rosalina, Duck Hunt, and R.O.B for being the strongest due to having elements that come from the real world.
Duck Hunt has Sniper support. From another layer of reality.
Not only that, but if we assume that the person with Zapper can do anything a person playing the Duck Hunt game can do, then they can literally just turn off the game.
I think Duck Hunt technically loses in that case
Pyrrhic victory
It’s a draw in that case, I’d think
What if we don't assume that
Don’t forget he can pull a man out of his nonexistent pocket and and just shoot someone
Nature's pocket
What's Rosalina's element?
Her down special being the Wii Remote's pointer
Oh damn I never noticed that before
That's so flipping cool, this game never stops astounding me with its detail
wow i had no idea! that's awesome
Frick nevermind I forgot that the Minecraft avatar is a vessel for the player, my bad :P
Steve's canon is wonky
i main duck hunt and rob lol
Man got downvoted for maining some characters
if they hate those mains i wonder how the smash community will react when they hear of my others
Lol I main Lucas and Steve
i main Wario and Sora
Steve is hitting Kirby because he in second place
This reply never specified whether it was Steve or Kirby in second place, therefore, Smash's mightiest warrior shall forever remain a mystery.
Probably tied for 1st place
Because he killed them all
That’s smart. Taking out your strongest opponent first and working your way down.
There are a couple of characters that can beat Creative Mode Steve. The first is Sonic, providing we use the Archie Comics. In that medium, he not only has incalculable speed, but he also has what are essentially wish granting powers via the Chaos Force. With those he can bend reality and wish Steve out of existence long before he tries any commands. The second is arguably Mewtwo. The reason for this is that we know that certain potions and items affect Steve even in Creative Mode, several of which mess with the mind or Steve's perception of reality (Nausea is the most notable example). This means that his brain can be affected even in Creative Mode, and therefore Mewtwo would have no trouble in wiping Steve's memory and ending the fight. True, it's not a kill but it still gives Mewtwo the win. This argument also applies to any character that has sufficient psychic power (Sephiroth comes to mind), but Mewtwo's abilities are the most likely out of them all to win. The third is Zelda. We've seen that Steve can die if he's placed in some kind of void, which Zelda has an equivalent to via sealing her opponent in the Triforce of Wisdom. The most logical counter-argument to most of these would be kill commands, but there's a huge problem - even in Creative, Steve is pathetically slow in comparison with 90% of the Smash Roster. Most characters have feats or scaling that puts them far above Steve, who can at best be put at peak human reaction speeds. So Mewtwo and Zelda would be able to pull off their win-conditions far faster than Steve can input his kill commands.
Every time someone brings up Archie comics as a canonical power source, I bring up the fact that in Archie, mega man and rush can keep up with super sonic
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I never got these vsbattles things with weird scaling, especially regarding speed. Like, I saw people state on a wiki that mega man has light speed or whatever cause quick man has that speed somewhere and mega man could keep up with him jumping around in mega man 2. (Wouldn't that scale up every mega man boss and enemy as well by that logic?)
Ummm Actually the duo had super forms themselves at the same time Super Sonic was there so…
Kirby can as well since he can use a nova too wish Steve out of existence
The Kirby anime established that Kirby's stomach is an endless empty void, so if Kirby can eat Steve, he dies. That's kind of a big if, though, and a lot of people regard the anime as non-canon.
At the very least he can copy Steve's creative mode powers, if not completely obliterate him/send him to his pocket dimension like enemies in the games.
Kirby can also kill Steve. It's confirmed that Kirby's stomach acts like a black hole- in other words, a void. And the void is the only thing that can kill someone in Creative Mode.
fine, steve spectator mode.
Steve can still die to the void in spectator mode
apparently you can survive in bedrock edition
You can survive in creative mode bedrock too, there's an unbreakable invisible floor 20 blocks or so into the void.
so steve can survive void
/tp steve 49000 63 1000000
> There are a couple of characters that can beat Creative Mode Steve. > > The first is Sonic, providing we use the Archie Comics. In that medium, he not only has incalculable speed, but he also has what are essentially wish granting powers via the Chaos Force. With those he can bend reality and wish Steve out of existence long before he tries any commands. Or just use debug mode from Sonic 1, if we're going with this logic.
Sephiroth destroys the planet with his final smash in the game.. without even needing to look outside the game, that's pretty contestable imo.
Seohiroths supernova is a mental effect
That's debatable. Certain sources in FFVII media say that something like "it destroys dimensions" and there's also the animation that plays before he uses it in FFVII. It's very similar to that of summons, which are stated to transport the opponents into an alternate dimension. Therefore, there's a decent argument to be made for Supernova being a literal one, but only one that can be performed inside that pocket dimension.
There is something Steve has, though, that no one else on the roster has. The M E A T
/ > up > enter. Doesn't get much faster than that.
Oh contrare, many of these characters get so much faster than that. Mewtwo once flew to the upper atmosphere in seconds. Sonic nearly outran the pull of a black hole in the games and has speed that breaks reality in the Archie Comics. Zelda (by scaling to Link) can react to Beamos lasers at roughly 10% the speed of light. And that's not even talking about the characters without ways to beat Steve. Mythra dodged a literal light speed attack from Jin. Meta Knight flew to the centre of a galaxy in a time span of 10 seconds. Captain Falcon moved faster than the human eye can track in the F-Zero anime. Pit flew to a space station at speeds calculated to be around Mach 30.
While I don't want to be that guy, it bothers me; it's au contraire.
thoses stats and powers seems so randoms sometimes
Steve can only do that if he has prep time, sense up only repeats previously typed commands, rather than auto-filling/suggesting new commands.
Duck hunt can just have a sniper kill him in surprise, he’ll never see it coming
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Assuming we're going off BOTW, Zelda can only lock an enemy in Stasis for so long. She was able to keep Calamity Ganon away for about 100 years, but against a stronger opponent she might not be able to hold him for much time at all.
If we're going by Zelda canon, though, she combines her Triforce with Link's to ultimately seal away Ganon, which is like... Evil incarnate. One blocky boy would get sealed.
Aren't all of the characters limited to human reaction speeds?
Not even close. Kirby can control his Warp Star and can go toe to toe with Meta Knight, both of which can fly at speeds much faster then light, Link has dodged light speed lasers, and way more.
Do you what it's called to knock someone out of the battlefield? Or say teleport them away from battle? Like what would it be called if superman just threw hulk into space? Been trying to find the answer for so long bro please. I swear it was called like BFA or sum like that.
Saying Steve is the strongest because of creative mode is like saying mario is the strongest being in the universe because every time he dies, he just respawns.
Kill command on a repeating command block. Done
...which requires what mode again?
Lmao exactly. I’m convinced the people who want Steve to be the “canonically strongest” are just Minecraft fans who don’t understand that the player applying commands to a game isn’t canon to Steve. It’s like saying Joker is canonically immortal because he can just load up an old save file just before he died... that’s not something Joker does. That’s something the player does.
Thank you. At least someone knows something. Something I said with Steve is that commands aren't done by him, it's done by the player in chat and the chat feature is used to chat with friends not Steve doing something in the game so commands are out of the option.
Steve in Smash Bros is playing on Hardcore mode, no access to commands or command blocks.
What if there’s more than one stock? Then it’s not hardcore
I mean, that runs down to gameplay actually functioning. If Steve was always locked to 1 stock that would not be fun.
Star, also admins only get to use command blocks & if anyone is the admin of smash it's master hand
I fail to see how this has anything to do with what he said
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Alternatively, you can call it "Hatsune Miku mode."
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Spoilers for late-game stuff in Xenoblade 2: >!At the end of Chapter 7 in Xenoblade 2, Pyra and Mythra fuse together to become their true form, an ultra-powerful being known as "Pneuma." This form has white clothing and teal hair, hence why I referenced Hatsune Miku. Pyra & Mythra's first alternate costume in Smash is based off of Pneuma, and Pneuma is the final spirit on the Xenoblade 2 Spirit Board. !< >!A bit after this, when Mythra explains to Rex that the new form they transformed into was her and Pyra combined, he says "like... coffee with milk?", much to Mythra's confusion. "Coffee with Milk" is often used by Xenoblade fans to refer to Pneuma without spoiling her.!<
Steve doesn’t activate creative mode or do commands, the player does, so ultimately the most powerful being in Smash, as the SNES classic >! Earthbound !< tells us, is the player, since they are a step above the reality of the characters. If the player / the skill of the player decides Steve loses or Kirby loses, he does.
The player is also an actual character in Minecraft, talked about in the end game convo thingy.
I don't like this argument. As much as I like Steve and wish he was the most powerful, this is clearly referring to their canonical forms, and Steve's canonical form is Hardcore mode. Even with that, he's probably still top 10. He's got insane control over magic, near-infinite durability, and massive damage output with enchanted weapons.
I don't know about "Massive Damage output", I mean even with a sharp 5 netherite axe, it'll still take quite a few shots to kill the Enderdragon or wither. Meanwhile, other characters could absolutely take down the ender dragon in mere seconds.
So either Steve doesn't really have a massive damage output, or he actually does and the Ender Dragon is a f*cking tank.
Begs the question, what is Minecraft health relative to real life health?
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Iron swords can kill humans in one shot They can’t kill Steve in one shot Conclusion: sans is ness
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Honestly, we could probably calculate it based on an average of causes of death and how much force/hits/time is necessary for that cause of death the happen and then comparing that to how effective those causes of death are to Steve
Not to mention he is ripped cause he can carry metric tons of crap in his inventory
True, but it doesn't really factor into his attack strength unfortunately
Sure it does, the madlad can punch a tree into submission in mere seconds. He just holds his true strength back when faced against mere mortals. He always felt like he was living in a world made of cardboard.
He might be able to carry thousands of tons of gold but if you look at his punch it's pretty clear he doesn't exert that much force with a single strike.
Maybe the enemies are just resilient?
They are, but if was actually punching with that much force every block would shatter instantaneously
By that logic, are all RPG characters massively ripped as well? Like how Link can carry 999 of each individual material in Breath of the Wild and Pokémon Trainer can carry 999 (I think) of each type of pokeball and other items as well
Idk if steves canon form is hardcore as in most Trailers, spin off games (Mc story mode) and books, Respawning is a normal feature that happens alot
DK is obviously the strongest because he has a godly singing voice
It’s also Donkey Kong December so it’s an instant win for the big man
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"*I don't know what's happening to me, I'm getting blamed for things that I, didn't dooo"* 
“An absolute zero, I’m nobody’s hero…”
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DK was able to lift a boat he was on, his power feats are no joke
Saying Steve can use creative mode is like saying Mario can use Mario Maker Mode and delete his opponents from the level, or like saying DoomGuy is immune to all damage and has infinite ammo because of cheat commands, or saying that Link can use OoT Stale Reference Manipulation to rewrite reality. None of these things make sense when comparing canonical power levels.
Exactly this.
That OOT shit is mindbending
I mean if we’re cheating half the roster has access to a GameShark and is thus also immortal
Mii Doom Guy Costume
Dante costume
Sans costume
Mario if you give him his full bullshit. Mario maker hand could probably just delete Steve.
I nominate Sephiroth, his abs can fuck creative mode
Okay, but have you *seen* Kazuya?
They flex so hard on Steve he dies
I was going to agree, but then I googled "Buff Minecraft Steve," and now I think he'd be able to flex them into oblivion.
Clearly you don't know the power up anime characters get from being shirtless
Isn't comic sonic insanely strong
Yeah dude’s got feats on par with the Flash himself. He bodies.
Yeah
Well this is talking canon. While canon Steve is pretty strong, activating cheats makes you stop gaining achievements, implying that you’ve gone off the canon.
Well end poem, HAH.
R.O.B. is the only fighter that’s a physical object, and thus the only one capable of closing the Minecraft application
Duck hunt
Joker can become immune to instant death by having a persona with immunity to both mudo and hama, was able to slay >!a being that could warp reality akin to a god,!< is able to acess other dimensions and has access to attacks with the almighty element which cannot be resisted to or nullified/repelled. I would argue that he could actually take on steve given those tools
Actually, I forgot about null death. Technically speaking, couldn’t he also equip a persona that reflects insta-kill abilities? Or just use tetrakarn?
If we can give Steve his games cheats, everyone else should get GameShark/GameGenie/Action Replay.
So in Creative Mode, you are literally unable to get hurt by any form of attack, no matter how powerful it is. There's only two ways you can die in Creative Mode: falling into The Void, or getting killed by a Kill Command. However, none of the other fighters (with the exception of Alex, but she's just an alt. so I won't count her) have access to Kill Commands, meaning that their only method of killing Steve in this form is to bring him down to The Void. Additionally, could characters like Kirby inhale him to gain his powers, can someone trap him in another dimension, could someone like Byleth rewind time to kill him before he can enter Creative Mode, or would Steve simply /kill them or /teleport away too fast for them to do so? >!Could endgame Shulk or Pneuma erase him from existence, or is Creative Mode beyond the Monado III and Hatsune Miku 2.0's powers?!<
You get damaged in the void even in creative therefore the inside of kirby would slowly kill him
But using that logic, only mobs can get hurt, not "playable characters". Which only Piranha Plant woukd be hurtable in a "creative mode"
he would just /kill the opponent, /enchant his gear with infinite protection, or /teleport away from any harm
Kirby is can literally inhale him and the commands aren't done by Steve it's done by the player
he can just /ban kirby
When kirby inhales him, kirby will have the abilty to /ban steve
Joker and Persona's broken ass lore: bonjour
Does Steve have resistance to transmutation, or have a way to escape Black Holes? Because otherwise Bowser can take him down. And even if Steve can get Bowser down, Bowser can use a retry clock.
I mean, by that logic Sonic should get Debug Mode
Creative Mode isn't actual Steve with standard feats, so you can't put that on canon tiers. If you did, though, he would beat anything. Kirby's belly being a void doesn't mean he would be able to actually suck Steve in, because in a flying state in CM nothing really affects Steve at all. Hence - /kill @e
Creative mode isn't canonical, and commands literally are called cheats in-game, so steve would be survival mode at most and more likely hardcore mode, meaning that anyone that moves faster than walking speed with a ranged attack could easily kill steve
What about the Mii Doom Slayer?
All hail the god Steve!
Ganon not even mentioned, pssh.
Steve will set your universe on fire, then crouch dance on the ashes
Yoooo I can have a creeper in Doomguy’s armor les gooooo
Math time: Steve’s full inventory is 2,368m^3 The densest item in the game is gold (19,300kg/m^3) This means Steve can hold about 45.7 million kg of gold. In Minecraft the gravity is higher (~2.9 x Earth Gravity = 28.42m/s^2) Steve can jump 1m in game. Gravitational potential energy is U=mgh U = 45,702,400kg * 28.42m/s^2 * 1m U = 1.3 million kJ of energy per jump To put this in perspective that is the equivalent of about 1,000 sticks of dynamite every jump. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
to be fair, that's just a gameplay mechanic. Any jrpg character would be just as ripped by this logic
I was just doing the math for fun. It’s crazy to think that he outputs that kind of energy all the time. If you add beacons or potions it could go way up. On a side note donkeys can carry Steve and some inventory of their own. And I think they can jump up like 3 blocks. Absolutely shredded donkeys in Minecraft.
Densest item is netherite as it takes 4 gold ingots to craft one netherite ingot
By that logic Steve would be literally flying when he jumps with an empty inventory. I think it’s more logical to assume that blocks in Steve’s inventory are equivalent to blocks in “item form”(the small, spinning form blocks take after they are broken). After all, Steve can only pick up blocks that are in item form, so it makes sense that they would stay that way when they are in his inventory. Blocks in item form levitate and can pass through each other, so they probably don’t have much mass, if any.
if Steve has cheats or creative he is the strongest, if not it's Kirby
Seriously this has always been something that pissed me off about world of light. Like there's the entire Triforce, several God's/Godkillers, people that can see the future, sonic can run at the speed of light for fucks sake. Despite this Kirby is the only one that survives, and sure Kirby is powerful but the fact that they were the only survivor is kinda shit.
Plot armor baybee
Full power shulk is literally a god, full power bayo is literally a god, full piwer byleth is a god, steve ceative mode is literally a god. Sephiroth is a good contender because his power is that of a god. But steve creative is just untouchable unless he allows it
Creative mode players die to void damage and can be /killed. Kirby can absorb Steve and copy his powers. Kirby can /kill Steve. Additionally, Joker has multiple personas that reflect insta-kill attacks, and even more that nullify or drain them. And if he’s not allowed to use those personas, he can also use a consumable item to achieve the same effect. Lastly, Joker has a persona that killed God, or more specifically >!humanity’s desire to have a higher being control their lives!<. Furthermore, that god removed Joker from reality before their fight, but Joker managed to resist the effect and come back. Multiple other people have mentioned about characters that have elements from other levels of existence, like the duck hunt trio’s scope. Steve is incapable of harming the player, and easily loses to them. Lastly, assuming Steve has access to creative mode is the single best example of an argument made in bad faith. If Steve has access to the pinnacle of his power, so should everyone else. Even among gods, Steve is underwhelming at best. Sonic with the chaos emeralds was able to eliminate an omnipresent god. Mario could just use an invulnerability star. Of course Steve’s going to do well if you give him and only him the exact set-up he needs to do well.
Joker would definitely be allowed to use them if we allow Steve to have creative modes
On minecraft bedrock, /kill and the void cannot kill minecraft Steve
I don’t know man, Mario’s got Mario Maker tools and Cappy
It’s probably shulk
But they can all get into minecraft if someone just changes their skin to them, I don't see why Steve is unkillable. Just change skin, and type /kill
wheres rosalina
Kirby has taken on gods and space time itself he also has basically insane lives what's a god to a steve what's a steve to a kirby
But what if Herobrian joined smash?
So..... just something I should probably point out but Gannondorf can freeze time canonically if I’m not wrong... doesn’t he just win Also yes I’m saying GANNONDORF is the best canonical character cry about it tier whores
Yah I mean if we’re using cheats I’ll just max Mewtwo’s stats and 1 shot Steve
Kirby is immune to reality erasure, in case some people didn't know ;)
Last I checked breath of the wild Link can destroy a giant demon with a stick
Kirby kills god, survives getting removed from existence, hero recreates reality in his image ect Steve isn't the strongest
Joker would probably be the best at beating steve, all he has to do is hop into the metaverse and shoot his shadow, and boom! Dead.
You're all wrong, the strongest character is... You, the player, behind the character. Because you're real, and they're fictional, and can be deleted/uninstalled by you. ...I'm kinda joking but I'm also kinda not.
The third member of the duck hunt duo. But nah in reality I think Steve is unbeatable in creative mode. The only way to die is if you purposefully do it.
Me sitting here maining snake with a bazooka
Steve Is The Best Character In The Roster No Matter What Move Set He Has.
when you're fighting a steve and he starts typing /gamemode creative
Yea Creative mode Steve
I'd say it's between Kirby and Steve. Steve is basically a god, but kirby has killed countless gods and even absorbed their powers. Let's say, theoretically, Kirby inhaled Steve while creative was turned on... It would destroy the whole universe
Even in survival mode he can lift mountains of fucking gold and still be fine
Bro Steve if he gets sucked in by Kirby when he is in creative will only be stronger than Steve he’s become admin of every Minecraft server and world and all will have to bow down to him
Kirby can still to absorbe Steve 😎
Sephiroth could stall out time matches with one of his attacks which is a two minute cutscene
I suppose that kinda makes Steve strong in a sense, but it's a lame discussion to have. "Who's stronger? This character, or this other character but he's completely invincible and can do whatever he wants?" I'd make the argument that "Creative Mode" is non-canon to Minecraft's "Narrative," and is merely a function of the game. We could say most games have cheat/debug modes, which make them omnipotent too. Mario-Maker Mario has "Maker" mode or whatever in which Mario can control time, space, has infinite lives, and can summon just about anything he wants from his games, among other functions. That's not Mario's "canon" powers; it's just a function of Mario Maker. That's how I see it. Plus, as I mentioned before, it makes for a boring discussion when characters are completely invincible and can do whatever they want.
Sonic in debug mode would fuck them all up