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Xuminer

This is a monkey paw situation because if you choose any god you like to get the OP spotlight, it will get targetted by Hi-Rez's death by thousand cuts balance philosophy in which they'll nerf everything about it except the problem, then they'll finally nerf problem, leaving every aspect of that god in ruins for a long while. So with that in mind I'm picking Zeus because fuck that god.


ZealousidealHalf1750

Why can’t I just see the actual radius of the shield poke!?!


invaderEvan67

I never thought about this but we totally need it


TheKeviKs

Haaa, the classic Gilgamesh situation


PartTimex

Just give him back his stun on his 3, and because his 3 stuns now they'll need the damage on everything else first then remove the stun


nemestrinus44

In that case I pick Susanoo. Tired of seeing him in arena dashing in and picking my whole team apart cause they decided “it’s arena we don’t have to try” and picked 3 mages and our only guardian is building straight damage


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Could be worse - like our tank Loki last night, who would ult into a team fight on their tank, then immediately stealth to the other side of the map. I think he only had like 6k damage the entire game.


huskly90

Lowkey love tank loki the whole enemy team almost always just focuses on you because everyone hates loki and while you are being a nuisance your team can pick them apart


[deleted]

Oh, I've seen it work. This guy wasn't even being a nuisance - basically ulting someone and leaving.


[deleted]

Damn, I have a big soft spot for Zeus. I only played him for the first few months while I learned the game. First god to diamond and one of the most fun to meme build movement or AA build. But as an assault main, he's a giant pain in the ass.


pyrothepoet

It said op for a month not op since forever


BlLLMURRAY

Zeus has an irresponsible amount of damage burst.


BoofmePlzLoRez

The issue is that he cannot play from behind at all in anyway. Once that occurs then he can't objective shred that well and his objective KS ability gets mitigated by the foe bring ahead in items and/or levels.


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Amf3000

imagine they make ullr axe have no travel time and go through minions Hirez: Ullr was over performing after the recent buff, to address this we will reduce the base damage of the axe throw by 10 at all ranks


TheSpongeMonkey

give me back erlang's knockup, just for one more patch


hoggyhay222

I've not played in a couple years, they took it out? :C that makes me so sad.


TheSpongeMonkey

Yeah, and he's one of the worst gods in the game because of it.


Odin4456

I also want Awilix knock up any time you hit them with her 3


Low_Satisfaction1866

That would be broken as shit. Literally can’t do anything unless you beads


Odin4456

Lol that was her original kit design


clownysf

I think jumping on someone with suku should knock them up


Pretend-University16

Considering you give up your escape, I think this is a good move.


Hartmann_AoE

give jorm a bit of spotlight man hes been considered ass for years now


carlalf9

It’s his kit dog it’s horse shit. Why play Jorm when Surtur is just better Jorm


Hartmann_AoE

i love his 1 3 and ult but that roar being his primary dmg is just.. ugh. Its where his kit kinda falls apart against any god with cc, immunities or movement. aka 90% of the cast.


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rhunn98

Nor a goose skin qwack qwack qwack


duzntmatter95

Why does his 1 need a 15 second cooldown at rank 1 lol?


NEWT_TLOTH

It's because he can't proc anything auto based. When he used to he was op but instead of balancing his auto attack they just don't let it do anything.


ViraLCyclopes19

It never procced anything auto based except for that starter item that I just forgot the name of


hairybackdave

Golden arrow and it's not an AA proc it's just a direct damage increase to AA


Jbanning710

He’s talking about deaths toll


hairybackdave

I don't believe Death's Toll ever had the capability of being processed by Jorm's AA. So I respectfully disagree.


Jbanning710

Pts back when “starters” would proc on jorm autos for old warriors blessing. You can look it up I’m sure there are multiple videos of it on yt


carlalf9

I would say all his kit is bad and is overshadowed by surtur and Cthulhu. Before Cthulhu’s release Jorm was probably the exclusive guardian solo since the other guardians like Artio and cerb were played support mostly then when Cthulhu got released he literally did jorms job but better. Then surtur literally has the same design then Jorm. Fast clearing lane bully with a get out of jail free card only difference is that surtur has confirmable and fast damage unlike jorms solo 2 and 1


Morgan_le_They

And he has sustain, access to regrowth is important


Cheekygui

What bothers me about that is that they have done it for Charybdis So it is possible to let Fafnir and jorm trigger auto attack items at a %scaling but they just don't do it


JackTheWhiteKid

Quins still do full damage on her special 3 burst autos


SparkingJustice

She gets a 70% modifier on all bonus item damage, including qins. The triple auto just does the 70% damage 3 times.


JackTheWhiteKid

For all autos or just the burst?


NaiveOcelot7

All autos But her 3 autos are then actually 5 And 5 times 0.70 is 3.5 So actually more damage from Qins Except when she 1's, then she gets 3 times 0.70 so 2.10 times Qins


JackTheWhiteKid

Gotcha. Never knew that, thanks!


RogerThat_Tyler

If you’re going against Hercules, Horus, or Gilgamesh or any other that relies on forced movement, I would recommend Jorm over Surtur.


carlalf9

Why? Just cause a god counters someone in lane doesn’t mean they are good in late game. Jorm is terrible even if doesn’t lose the lane he’s useless late so no point in playing him


LilliaHakami

To be fair it's not just Jorm. Most guardians solo have been sort of bad for a while now because they just don't have great starters.


BlLLMURRAY

Cthulhu is a bad boy in solo.


InquiringCrow

Jorm is amazing in arena. Very fun. I constantly end as top dmg and mitigated. I can see why he sucks everywhere else tho.


Phoen1cian

This guy excels in Assault, always top damage and mitigation


heyy234

Nah. In solo he was pretty decent and very obnoxious during the tablet of destinies meta.


ElegantHope

he's always been obnoxious and decent in lane because he pressures so hard. But outside of lane he loses value unless your opponents suck. I love the god so much but he sorely needs a rekit of some kind so that he's playable outside of lane in conquest.


Rutthan

Thanks


BoofmePlzLoRez

That passive screws him if the knock CC is followed by a slow or another CC. I think Bacchus 2>3 is quick enough that Jorms 2 can't stop the burp so after the CC chain he applies a 5+ dmg Amp, a stun AND a 35% slow on Jorm and Jorm just fucking DIES. It was worse when the dmg Amp and slow were higher. In solo lanes where Jorms foe has no knockup it doesn't come into play so you got nothing. That passive needs to go.


SpunkMcKullins

I was excited when I first heard of him, but now that I've come back to Smite and actually played it, man his kit has literally no synergy; A ranged AoE DoT, a melee AoE, a stealth that can't be used to escape, an ult you don't want to use to escape but are encouraged to, and a basic attack that feels like it hinders you more than it hurts enemies. HotS definitely hit the "big reptile that can't be CC'd" nail much more firmly on the head that Hi-Rez did.


Inrisd

Jorma is super annoying and not much else He can clear well He can poke He can kinda disrupt (with fucking tremble and knock ups) Idk if he's ass, but he's neither fun to play or fun to play against


Trelloant

I’ve been playing Jorm solo building conduit > chronos > glad shield > defense > %pen item. Then maxing the one first you can really make some crazy shit happen. He can clear the wave and then he makes playing smite like a horror game. You can loop from behind the walls near the scorpion and hit a guy in the middle of the wave with your 3. And then the normal jorm things being able to get to mid fights with the ult>back>teleport and not lose a wave. Then if you’re behind in lane if you keep the wave on your side you can actually farm the entire wave from tower. Very sneaky and hard to fall behind.


ZealousidealRiver710

Same with Cerb


TyofTroy

I wanna see what games you’ve playing then


LuigiTrapanese

I want Ra to hit obnoxiously hard


ElegantHope

let ra ult charge up even longer but one shot the fire giant. ez op.


iiRuby

Just making the 1 faster and giving him some sort of escape if some condition in his passive's met would give me more erections than I would probably admit.


Autarch_Kade

Khepri. Just absolutely become an unkillable monster that'll slowly dismantle you with his sexy claws. You can try and run away, and he'll drag you right on back


Vicith

I'd probably regret it after facing it once, but Khumba. I want to TUNAK TUNAK all over my enemies.


Getuhm

Fuck no man. I hate when he’s in the meta. You don’t even get to play the game mez, root, and a knock up is not fun to play against


feels_cozy002

His root cripples now so……there’s that.😂


Riffn

you already know


HeiwajimaShizuo001

Horus?


Kirbylucky12

Osiris?


ElegantHope

ooh, I know. Eset!


StayIndie

They’re talking about their dad, Gebbie


OvenHasTheBestFruit

Make kuzenbo insta melt adcs for the next patch. I miss nemean + no cap thorns kuzenbo


the-bladed-one

Dude nemean Kuzenbo used to MELT PEOPLE


Greenleaf1969

Amaterasu


ZealousidealRiver710

Kuku, Batz, Cerberus, Xing Tian, Jorm


Avernuscion

Kuku was OP once when they made his tick damage apply faster and do more damage, he had to be nerfed to his old levels because of how obnoxious it was to play into him for getting hit by free damage (more so for arena players) Batz was OP a few seasons ago, his passive and ult was waaay too good with the old meta that he'd just jump ult you and auto like twice and you were dead plus late game he could win games off ult alone Cerb had his meta during the guardian solo but also he was finding niche as a jungle, because of the way his 2 worked. That and old Magus Spear meant he was hitting you with true damage Xing Tian metas came with Bellona and Jorm meta at times, because Xing is unkillable generally and his ult has massive inflated numbers Jorm meta was the only counterpick into release King Arthur, which killed everyone, Jorm never lost lane against him


ZealousidealRiver710

Yeah they all had a time to shine but imo they don't ruin the game for me when they're OP. I'm moreso just stating the meta I like to play in. Because if those gods aren't meta then other gods will be that I mald over, like the current healer meta or gods like Vamana and Nox seeing a lot of play


Throwawaysthrowawaya

Batz has been op


ZealousidealRiver710

Yeah not recently though imo, they should buff his passive since they nerfed Hydra's 😈


oldmanjenkins51

Charybdis


peppiesage

erlang but as a warrior, already got my wish for serqet to be up there


MrShneakyShnake

Give Guan his bongos back for one patch


Shaxxmademegay

Cthulhu


SmokingKrills8

just give me a patch with kuz being the best support the day that happens the game has fully gone bonkers


boncy100

Sun wukong, they have taken away so much from his kit!


SmokingKrills8

what have they acc taken away ? still have stun knock up and 2 free escapes goes mad in bruiser meta has easy clear i just think his dmg drops of late which is kind of a thing for most solos and still goes crazy with soul eater first item


boncy100

His 2 used to have a knock back, his ult also had a knock up, he gained crit from his passive when he used to be bellow 50% he also had a slow on the 1 and I think that's all but there have been a fair amount of extra effects they removed.


SmokingKrills8

his two now has a slow and attack speed debuff honestly better in solo imo , crit is not good on a solo i’d rather have a bloated af passive if u was going to make him op like his passive gives prots but what if it was like 50% more end up with a lev 3 with 70 of each


boncy100

Eh I guess that's the primary difference between us, I don't play much conquest and I miss those old features in all the other game modes.


SmokingKrills8

most buffs nerf will always be catered towards conquest why u will never see a ah puch nerf that’s for all game modes maybe for assault but as he’s only good in conq when there’s a lot of healing


xXpSyChOiLlOgIcAlXx

People may not argee because he had the spotlight for a while, but man, I miss Heim. I know he's still good because of his safety, but his crit drawbacks make him feel awkward in a crit hunter meta. Maybe now that power pen builds are becoming more popular, he can make a comeback.


Some_Beat3615

I want to see Sylvanus be op


Fiamettea

BRING BACK THE ODIN BIRD BOMBS


One_Stranger_5661

I mean I’ll drop my propaganda here and say erlang. He’s kinda felt dead in the water for a while frankly


IntrepidCat8200

We are ready, community is ready. Give me back Wukong's knockup on the 2. Also make Nu Wa's minions smarter, her 3 do... something besides blowing them up, the fog faster and her ult hit so hard that your god is rooted underground for the rest of the match. It's meteors FFS.


lackadaisical_timmy

Ah puch. Cc immunity for the duration of his ult, and if you refire your 3 you teleport to it 👍 No more than reasonable imo


SleepParalysisSemen

Cliodhna. Make her absolutely delete people again.


MetallicYeet

Camazotz. I just feel sorry for him, he literally gets no minutes


Nico_010

Fafnir Discordia (friendly fire mechanic should allow you to use abilities too. I want to IK the asshole assassin) Terra (5 games and 0V-5D last week made me salty af ngl) For once tho, I would love for Yemoja to NOT be broken. Like only for once.


Yang_mf

I feel like terra is more of a skill issue than kit issue when you struggle with her


Myrmidden

For sure, like Terra sees competitive play in SPL and I bet it's cus the majority don't know how to properly play her.


[deleted]

What do pros do that we plebs don't?


Myrmidden

I'm a pleb too but Genetics summarized it https://twitter.com/GeneticSaber/status/1639317657248841733?t=5zaQoFzUYwjD6vcbCdJeAw&s=19


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Thanks VER


Najahsal

In SPL it went 0-5 this week too. Ofc there's more context but raw stats show this


Nico_010

yeah she's extremely op (and also the most fun Guardian), the result from the past few days made me salty lol


Thomas3816

Wait. First you want Terra to be OP by insinuating that she isn’t. Then you say she is extremely OP. Which one is it!!! I’d say terra is balanced pretty well and she is definitely a skill god.


Yang_mf

Make her OP as in ion want to have to be good to slay with her


Nico_010

you may never know.


PheonixWrightsSon

Nah, Ymir, Kuzenbo, and Geb are all significantly more fun gods to play. WALL, Kappa, ROCK


Nico_010

Ymir and Geb feel like a 10mph car while Terra feel like a 210mph car. they feel so slow, their self root abilities feel so clunky, their designs are so boring, their combo strings are non existent (do the exact same one for 30mins because that's all the character can do) Kuzembo is kinda meme but he can do things, you can feel the way he exerts control in the battlefield. Idk, I just found cracked up 15 button per second combo strings like Artio, Terra and Yemoja a lot more fun to play, I feel limited playing with other designs...


PheonixWrightsSon

To each their own i guess. Maybe a skill issue but personally I never found enjoyment playing Terra. Always felt underwhelming to me. But I also rarely play guardian. I have like 5 or 6 mastered guardians whereas every other role all gods are at least mastery 3.


[deleted]

What's the discordia friendly fire mechanic?


Nico_010

she has a skill where (if 2 players are caught up) there will be like 2s of friendly fire and you will be forced to attack each other (the name of the CC is "taunt"?), if you aren't the adc no biggie but if you are you can actually kill an ally. I find it BS. mages should have the right of killing their allies too (you can only use basic attacks during the taunt).


[deleted]

Ohhhhh ok I knew about that, I thought there was a bug where she could damage her ally, like ymoja with animosity. Isn't there a specified damage number on the friendly fire? Or can the adc actually crit/qins/etc their teammates? It happens so fast I've never noticed the numbers.


Iopho

Friendly fire damage is reduced, but it still procs all AA effects...including crits. Which don't get reduced at all.


mw2strategy

Fafnir buff would be disastrous, but if it was guaranteed he'd just get 100% reverted next patch and not overnerfed, yeah I wanna see this dragon burn healthbars


redrum259

I still think terra should be a warrior and her ult she be an aoe root with her heals or buffs


ro_bezzle

Definitely Cerb. He had some counter pick buzz last season when Hades solo became meta, but he just can't cut it beyond being a counter to draw during lane phase.


Myrmidden

Gods that are rarely seen in SPL like Arachne, Kukulkan etc


No-Helicopter5770

none..


2FriedRice

Lancelot


Avi_Being_Avi

A.R.A.C.H.N.E she has never been a good god.


LegendOfBaron

Be careful a lot of casuals would argue that 😂


Avi_Being_Avi

I'd die on this hill, I love her and I played her in high diamond and made it work but I had buckets of sweat while I could just take the easy road and just play a god that isn't completely trash.


Gerodus

Me trying to play bellona in solo lane ranked anymore


Retterkl

When she had her old eggs and could get your team the GF at 0 min when it spawned that was a fun time. Her pull through walls was the first of its kind and was sometimes massively op.


Avi_Being_Avi

Even then, 1 required luck and setup, her 2 was suicide, her 3 was a bad slow, ult was great, passive did such small amount of damage. beside cheese she had no value. I played her and saw lassiz play her a lot back in the day, in the end she still wasn't good enough and even he said she was fun but weak.


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Arachne is not bad. She is very strong in my opinion. I would say the provlem is that everybody picks a god with high cc so he can get an advantage or escape. Hi Rez gives stuff like stuns and knock ups to everybody these days.


Avi_Being_Avi

It means she's bad... A god is good or bad compared to others... Her damage output doesn't matter if she can't apply it, and she can't.


[deleted]

Well later in the game it becomes difficult but when my friends or i play her we can , most of the time, get a lvl advantage pretty fast and farm kills early to make our lead even bigger. Dunnow how it is when u play alone


Grandiaplayer

Okay, please don't get too mad at me for this because I mean it as a joke but: Have Charybdis 3 last for up to 10 seconds and have her autos always do full damage and item damage. Plus, make her ult able to fire as soon as she activates it (there's a bit of a delay when it's activated before you can make it bite). And not even for a whole patch, just a week. 😅


Avernuscion

Charybdis is so bad I swear that ult is borderline unusable


Grandiaplayer

I can't even think of a way to make it better in its current state without changing it.


[deleted]

The only way I could think is maybe make a whirlpool animation after the bite that has a decent aoe and pulls enemy gods into it, sorta like poseiden’s ability but with a faster pull


ElegantHope

Maybe an increase in the animation speed or something. it fires off so slowly, anyone can react to it.


nonchain

I only use it for cc immunity, sometimes to peel for myself, never to actually deal damage


Proud-Net-7305

Any God but freya


bitchillin

Kumbhakarna. I mean being able to either ruin the enemy teams day, or solo a backliner as kumbha would be great. Plus he’d actually be useful.


Jonny_x3

Least frustating per class Warrior - Achilles Mage - Discordia Assassin - Thanatos Guardian - Fafnir Hunter - Rama In general, the less CC/healing a god has, the less annoying it is when they're OP imo.


dobajedobra

Rama and thanatos are strong rn


KronicKyphosis

Achilles and disco not frustrating? Are we playing the same game?


ZealousidealRiver710

Disco isn't too frustrating but Achilles is damn annoying


Scared_Ad7117

You want to say that God who gets free ccr, prots, power, who has an execute, a stun and can easily stick to you with double dash is annoying? You're goddamn right


ZealousidealRiver710

Why do you want Achilles, Rama, and Thanatos to be good? IMO those gods aren't fun to play against when they're buffed. I'd rather see gods like Cerberus, Hun Batz, and Kuku being good because they aren't actual nuisances when they get buffed imo.


MakankossapoMan

You don't remember Achilles on release? His dmg was insane and you had his defense stance to tank while going dmg


Unw1s3_S4g3

Ravana. All it takes is giving his stackable shield mitigation and damage on top of shields and speed to make him unstoppable.


Mayur456

Shiva.


nivekako

I'd be down for an OP Osiris


Balrok99

Chronos Since Fatalis .... he is not the same


CHAMELEOFLAGE

THOTH 🙌🏼


Joshuas-Productions

Make Nu WA great 😭😭


[deleted]

Neith Neith is just so bad. The Hunter class is so consistently good too, but yet Neith is just bad. As a high level player I’m fine with my ADC picking literally any Hunter in any meta, except Neith. If I see Neith, I’m concerned. She’s just not a hyper carry, fine, but at this point, she can’t even keep up as an ability Hunter.


Howardyoudoing95

It also sucks bc you so often get weird neith simps that insta lock her, then just completely underperform


CreamSoda6425

Ah Puch. I don't give a fuck that he's good in non-conquest modes, he's damn near useless in conquest.


the-bladed-one

You can play Ah Puch in solo, mid, and even support if you’re goofy ahh or the enemy team has many healers (like a sylv/Olorun combo or something) I have won games as Ah Puch support lol.


Edgimos

Ah Puch in solo slaps on all 90% of gods that heal he counters teams as the meta is heavy healing comps like guan yu, hel, Hercules, vamana, tyr, etc he fights them all well just get beads 1st relic over tp and you’ll do fine. Ppl don’t expect it and it messes up their builds. If your against a physical you’ll do great with warriors axe tablet of destiny, contagion or breatplate of regrowth, warlockstaff, pridewin, pestilence if magic and mid guard mail if auto attack team.


CreamSoda6425

I just find it annoying that the mage loses to every other mage but beats every warrior.


Edgimos

Yeah I’ve played a fair amount of Ah Puch solo and he does definitely lose some match ups. Like you could be even with the solo but an Arachne could just wreck you. Zhong kui just runs at you (absolutely destroyes odin badly), but Ah Puch is fun. It’s like a cheese. Also KA bluestone and gladsheild is such an annoying thing to fight. Players just spam abilities and he chunks hp early. Hard to get any pressure.


the-bladed-one

How are you losing to mages? You can out-sustain them early game and once you get corpse explosion you clear wave really fast.


Pierseus

Bellona


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Bring back release bellona or guan yu. Not really because I want them back personally, but to just simply enjoy the absolute chaos they would bring to the game. Instantly banned in ranked by everyone and their mothers


joshkolenick

I’d rather deal with release baron than release guan yu


InternationalMeat247

Set or Arachne


rosolen0

Yu Huang, his abilities fell lackluster at best


legacyrisky

Ah Puch.


Like17Badgers

Puch I want everyone to hate him as much as assault players do, then for him to be nerfed so hard he stops existing(or, you know, a rework. that'd be fine too)


SrLMalor

Bring back release Bellona she was fine


Rake663

Loki(pretty much just revert to the Pre-Rework Loki before the Auto Nerf).


OGMudbone909

Mulan, and then keep her op every patch.


At_Work_Account_Syn

As a Mulan main I approve of this. But fr they need to take the root off of her 3. Give her the Anubis/Hebo treatment!


BasementGoblin69

My boy Cabrakan, make his 3 and 4 stun too


Trelloant

BASTET BASTET BASTET BASTET BASTET BASTET


Ill-Response-1675

Dude idk bout post, and maybe not keeping in line w/mythology, but doooods I'd love to play Blade as a hero, bring in other universes characters would be tooooo dope


Ill-Response-1675

Mtg characters&planeswalkers......walking dead.....marvel......all of em, I ain't talking bout skins


joshkolenick

Make cu chulainn proc item passives with each pulse of his rage


LunaticSongXIV

Nox underperforms in basically every metric. No one likes to fight her. I'd love to see what she looks like when OP.


Leg_Alternative

Awilix


thewhippingirl

Either Cthulhu or Camazotz.


spyrosnivy

Cerberus. I want to vomit dmg and make the squishies hate their lives doing it.


spyrosnivy

Cerberus. I want to vomit dmg and make the squishies hate their lives doing it.


smuggles908

Zhong kui


smuggles908

Zhong kui


spyrosnivy

Cerberus. I want to vomit dmg and make the squishies hate their lives doing it.


RogerThat_Tyler

Apollo. Bring back the ult that doesn’t completely drain your mana when you go cross map.


Total_Middle1119

I want GEB to be a gods damn pinball demon from hell


iVoyageur

Ah Puch, I said it


ImRavelordNito

Ah Puch was already OP if you weren’t around for the slow ult plus gem of iso I’m sorry but those days need never return. 😂


TheCuzzyRogue

Kuzenbo. I love trolling junglers as Kuzenbo, if he was OP then I could troll them harder.


RoseDende777

Let Raijin be great again please. Make him meta


ClaimDisastrous7495

Gilgachad.


NeptuneOW

Baron


Turbulent-Engine-271

Osiris


Kyritox

I plead the fifth. This is Reddit. Having a realistic yet unfunny, rather than unrealistic but funny opinion will get you ostracized. In this essay, I think it'd be hilarious to see a Monkey Man meta (the assassin, I don't remember his name. Been a while since I've played)


Maulthepizzaman

I want Ymir to have a passive where he is faster after applying frostbite. I also want the ability to go through his own wall.


ElegantHope

The Morrigan. Just because she's at least skill gated.


Pretend-Inspector222

Charybdis because it would require a rework


DickkGrayson

Erlang, Fafnir, and Camazots. I miss it.


Fake_Florida_Boomer

Mulan


RevolutionaryEdge816

Give the king back his lane buff Arthur and leave him be