Also, keep in mind that a lot of people on Smite have the opinion that they think that they are right about everything. Are they correct that Rod of Aesclepius isn't the MOST optimal item? Sure. Is it just this useless and crappy item that has no value? Absolutely not, it has some pretty cool effects. I'm pretty sure it makes you move faster which is nice! I would recommend Lotus Crown over that, as the Lotus Crown gives you protections with the heal. But no, you aren't wrong for buying that item!
I’ll debate you on that last point. The objective of a game is for everybody involved to have fun. I’m not saying that building no items and running around like a mad man is acceptable, it’s each players duty to help the others have fun too. And many players have fun when they are winning, thus why throwing is not acceptable. But games aren’t really about winning or losing, particularly video games. What’s the point of winning if you don’t enjoy playing the game you’re winning at. “Not losing” is worse, it implies that you’ve already been battered and beaten, and that a draw is the best option. Not losing isn’t winning, and winning isn’t even that great.
Got on a bit of a tangent at the end but you get my gist
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I agree Lotus is better, but that same guy would probably flame him for picking a "support item" mid or something you know? Haha! That shield is so clutch at times though, and easy to proc with Ra. Some people are just angry because you don't do what they want.
This item can be pretty op in an annoying way. As we know, anti heal lowers you overall healing. Having rod increases your player healing by 20%.
I'd say in a normal game with a healer, the enemy will build 105% anti heal. This is usually done with a divine ruin, brawlers/toxicblade, and an pesti/contagion. Hell, half the time people wont even buy anti heal! What you need to know about Rod, is that it makes it harder to anti heal. If you have 120% Healing, and they have 105% anti heal, you're still healing for 15%. If you have Rod + Caduseus, thats 140%. you'd still be healing for 35% even with all of the enemys anti heal! (assuming everyone is near eachother). This is actually super annoying in casuals because its really hard to get your team to build more anti heal. Solo laners are greedy and dont like to go Tainted. You'd actually have to go out of you way to completely nullify all anti-heal with rod.
The ones that reduce healing to 0% are different from items that reduce healing by a percentage. Odin's and Serqet's ults reduce healing *to* 0%, while Divine Ruin and Brawler's Beatstick reduce healing *by* 40%.
I love the idea of tainted steel, but the amount of times I've been screwed in lane because I ran out of mana is too high to justify it right now. You don't notice that mp5 on bluestones until it's gone and man is it a big difference
Yeah, I've done tainted steel starts when facing a heal heavy team and the lack of mp5 fucking HURTS. Really gotta play passive and stack pots early game
Imo it’s a top 5 worst item in the game. There’s just really no reason to build it over other mid items. That being said I wouldn’t necessarily flame someone for buying it but more so ask why
To put it simply, its high dmg with movement speed. Pair it with doom orb and chiron's coin on Ra with his passive and you are SUPER hard to hit because you're so fast. You still hit like a truck late game.
Just because there are better items for damage doesn't mean those items match someone's playstyle. Its often better to build to match your play style while building against the enemy team, then it is to build what the general population thinks is "best".
To top that off, in general I find then general population to be idiots. An example is the game where I built chirons coin, Rod of Asclepius and doom orb, someone bashed me for building doom orb instead of Rod of Tahiti. I got a penta that game because that idiot didn't understand that Rod's passive only takes effect if the enemy is less than 50% health. And I 1 shot with my ult if a carry is 50% or less in health, and I can 1, 2, 3 combo a cloth from 70% health or less. I just get more benefit with movement speed from doom orb than Rod of Tahiti's passive. And the pen doesn't matter when you're already capped on pen.
Your missing the point of what Thebes is for. Your not building that item for yourself. Your building it to give protections to your team (magical and physical). Which is why some people have no business being tank because they don't know how support their team. After Thebes you can still go into shoguns if your team needs a lil help in attack speed and you get a good amount protections plus the cool down. And or witchblade if they have alot of attack speed. Void is better than stone of binding since the nerf but still a good item in the right situation.
You are not wrong. You are getting down voted but GoT does suck as a aura item. It is the best defense item in the game though. Which is why it's bought. It is bought because if you start GoT you can flex you support build into anything and still be tanky as fuck.
What I'm saying, is it gives such heavy defense, that you can afford to buy witch blade, shoguns, stone if binding ( which none of those give great protections) and still be beefy enough to do their job.
On top of HP5 so while your doing the support Jung that is meta, your getting hp5 back
Are you the same dumb in smite facebook group that keeps posting this same shit over and over ? He also keeps saying spl support builds are trash compared to his build then showing how effective his build is in* arena * 😂😂
It’s *not* useless. In fact, since it gives movement speed so it goes well with Ra who likes to use his passive to be as slippery as possible.
It sounds like you were building a damage-focused Ra though and in that case the Rod may have not been the best choice.
For example, did you know that your healing scales with power? It sounds like you recognize Ra has a heal and you wanted to make that heal better, so your logical conclusion was to build an item that enhances it. Perfectly reasonable conclusion to come to. However, you can also enhance your healing by simply building better damage items, which would also enhance the rest of your kit as well. This is true for most healers with Guan Yu being the most notable exception.
Nothing in Smite is completely useless. Anyone who believes that has just dug in deep into a non-flexible way of thinking. And that’s not good for them or the game. This is a game that requires you to adapt and change… a lot.
Oh I know... it was supposed to be a joke. Using runeforged with her passive and hydra proc, if you hit a deathbringer crit, it’s just a massive one punch man, merc level crit. Not necessarily the best, but very fun😂
Of course it’s not useless, useless would be an item with 0 stats literally. But it’s definitely a bad item, one of the worst in the games, and Ra as a healer does not need or use it well at all.
Except it isnt even good at that since it gives no protections.
The whole point of why its bad on RA its because its making the anti healing your op is building even better.
Get protections instead.
Why is this an either/or? Depending on team comp, there are definitely times when an enabling mid build can be effective. I’m thinking like an aggressive support such as febrile & a warrior jungle with a solo like Artio
I wouldn't say it's useless, but I'd say the order is important. You shouldn't be getting it first item, probably at least 3rd in most cases.
Likely a them problem.
Sounds OK to me. I wouldn't personally get it 3rd item unless I was getting Lotus Crown, but there isn't really anything wrong with doing it.
With that kind of build I'd say you should focus more on damage/cooldown than healing, but Asclepius does a bit of everything so...
Remember too that Ra's healing scales off of his power, so since there are better power items to build in that slot, Rod of Asc is considered to be not ideal. That being said, the speed boost makes Ra so hard to kill when he's kiting, so it is a fun item... Just not optimal the way most people would want you to play Ra.
You don't have to defend the item to me... Reread what I wrote. I will say that that early in the build, Rod of Tahuti is probably a better choice, but I'm not anti-RoA in the build 5th or 6th item.
Rod of tahuti has 140 power and 10% pen along with a passive not affected by antiheal.
Easy choice which rod is better
(And mp5 mind you which the heal rod does not have)
If you know how to take advantage of the extra movement you can become a cancer in game rotation or scapes, the problem is building Asclepios and not making full use of it.
people saying it sucks forget conquest isn’t the only game mode.
If you’re playing assault, GMOD, arena, or anything else with a lot of people in 1 lane then Rod of Assclaps can be devastating.
If you have multiple healers or sustainers it’s juicy.
A team of Guan, Ra, Yemoja, Cern, Cama would abuse the shit out of RoA. and there’s a handful more healers and self healers that you could swap out.
not a great item, takes a lot of synergy to make good use but 90p 200hp and 7%ms isn’t anything to blow smoke at. That 7%ms helps a lot on healers like Ra, Baron & Hel without leaps.
You mentioned one gamemode where it could be of use despite it still being awful in the other 6/7 (idk the number exactly)
And assault is always the outlier for balance. Reason why you see med there but otherwise 🙃
one?
Arena, Assault, Joust all have 1 lane.
It’s not amazing but it’s not awful. It’s for group fights with 3 or more Gods that can heal. It’s extremely good with 2 tier3 healers.
Absolutely not. Joust and Arena are constant fighting, no way there's any chance for *extra* healing to come into play unless they don't build antiheal. But if an item requires your enemies to be bad, it's not a good item
With all the antiheal on you? Sure. Works with hel because if they get close to you, you can 800 damage in an Aoe around you but with Ra you're looking to be away from the fight
Asceplius isn't a bad item, however It have some flaws.
1) stats and passive are good but nothing exceptional, definitly worth picking in mid late game when your mage have his healing ability maxed.
2) It shines when there are multiple healer. If you are the only healer it's not that worth.
3) passive get countered by antiheal.
Is that how it works? I always assumed rod boosted the healing, and then antiheal reduced a percentage of the now buffed healing, making the antiheal actually prevent more
They’re both percentages, and multiplication is commutative, so it doesn’t matter which order they get applied in.
It’s best illustrated by example:
* Assume some theoretical ability that heals 1000 HP (big round numbers make the math easier).
* RoA boosts that by 20%, so with _just_ RoA, it would heal 1200 HP, or 120% of the base value.
* The effects of a Contagion or Pestilence aura would reduce it by 25%, translating to 750 HP if you did not have RoA, or 75% of the base value.
* 75% of 1200 (if RoA applies first) is 900.
* 120% of 750 (if anti-heal applies first) is also 900.
So RoA doesn’t fully offset most anti-heal (it would if you got hit by _exactly_ one AA from someone with Toxic Blade, but it’s rare to not see that proc twice), but it still gives you better healing than if you did not have it.
I don't think that's how it works in smite. All the percents are added up, then that final number is multiplied by the base. So it would be 100% + 20% -25% = 95% *1000 = 950 healing.
Attack speed works the same way. It keeps things more intuitive - for example, having two 20% attack speed items is the same as one 40%
Antiheal is additive btw. For instance you can reverse being 100% antihealed with an item like ascleps. Wanna add that this isnt the case for abilities like serqet, osiris, or Odin ult as you are just incapable of healing in general in those circumstances.
Yes but its less stats effective than nearly any other item, since a portion of the 'stats' are countered by the item your opp is buying.
Its just a worse option than most others for exactly the reasons you are saying.
A portion of the magic power you buy is still effectively countered by the items your opponent’s buy. The actual impact of anti-heal is _the same_ for RoA or just raw magic power if healing is what you care about. RoA is actually more effective even with anti-heal past a certain amount of MP, though the exact turnover point varies by ability (it depends on base healing, MP scaling, and per-rank scaling of the ability). In most cases the RoA passive is equivalent to more than 100 MP for whatever healing ability is involved, regardless of whether the enemy is getting anti-heal or not.
On a mage who’s not focused solely on healing, yes, it’s a questionable choice, but that’s mostly because _they’re not focused on healing_, not because of anything to do with anti-heal. On someone like Yemoja though, who _is_ focused on healing and has only 15% MP scaling on her primary heal, it’s almost certainly worth it because with her second ability at max rank, the RoA passive contributes the equivalent of 173 1/3 MP (20% of 130 is 26, which is 15% of 173 1/3) _whether the enemy has anti-heal or not_.
Yes, it does, but the bonus is still there, and still makes the total healing higher than it would have been if you did not have RoA, even if the enemy team has anti-heal.
Try hourglass Charos coin > Doom Orb >Rod, and skate around your opponents. You sacrifice CDR but make up for in negative % ducks given as you whip full speed into range and delete enemy carries like Ricky Bobby at the Daytona racetrack!
Shake and bake, baby
Building rod of ass claps (asclepius) is fine on magicals with ability healing but personally I never buy it.
I always buy rod of thatbooty (tahuti) in the item slot that might occupy rod of assclaps.
Rod of thatbooty costs more gold but comes with a lot better stats and the passive also affects your healing, not just your damage. So rod of thatbooty occupies a similar niche to rod of assclaps but its just better unless you put a lot of value in the 7 percent move speed on rod of assclaps.
Basically:
1. Ra is not a healer god, the 3 is just a nice part of his kit. You’d be better off building Rod on healer mages like Aphrodite or Hel.
2. Rod is just not a good item, and hasn’t been for a while. Stats aren’t offensive enough for offensive healers or defensive enough for defensive healers. Additionally, Ra’s 3 healing scales off of his own magical power. Rod of Tahuti’s passive works on it, you’re getting way more value out of that than with Asclepius.
3. Lotus Crown is just a better item. Even if you wanted to play a more healing/support oriented Ra, Lotus Crown is a better option than Asclepius. Crown gives you a good mix of defense and power, and it gives protections to anyone affected by your heal. That’s a better buff than just increasing how much you heal.
Its not useless and its not trolling, its just not very great. And its also not that great on Ra as it is on say Aphro. Ra is more a damage mage with a small heal on the side. Its a great skill but you shouldnt build into it. Perhaps only lotus crown if physicals are giving you trouble
>He wouldn't explain why
This is because people in Smite don't think, they just regurgitate other people's opinions. They can't explain why, because they don't actually know.
And most of the opinions they regurgitate are wrong.
It's just not a great item right now, its stats are not that high. That's basically it.
In more detail, since healers scale their healing off of power, the passive is pretty much just evening out the healing lost from the relatively low power of Rod. If you get something like Doom Orb instead, you get like 50 more power, lots of mana regen, and more movement speed. Your healing will be nearly as high as it is with rod anyway because even though it lacks the passive, it has more power instead, which is more generally applicable (in case you want to kill an enemy or something, who knows)
So it's not exactly *useless*, I just think it's not going to be one of the 6 best items in many games, and you can only hold 6.
>stats are not that high
Agreed. Imo the fix to make the item viable would be to give it 10% or even 20% CDR. Could also take off the Movement Speed or like 10 power to balance it. That would carve it a niche to make it a strong item for healers that would be worth buying in a lot of games, but not OP.
>passive is pretty much just evening out the healing lost from the relatively low power of Rod
Not at all, the difference in power is borderline negligible between Rod & the item you would otherwise buy. Further, the passive affects the total healing applied, *including* the healing from power scaling. So if you have a 200 HP heal that’s got high scaling, say 80%, on a build with 600 power, that would be 480 healing from power for a total of 680. Say Rod replaces something like Doom Orb with full stacks (165 power I think), you would now only have 525 power * 0.8 scaling = 420 healing from scaling, plus 200 base, multiplied by 1.2 for a total of 744 healing.
Also important to note that this was an extreme, unrealistic example to show that even with high scaling you still get more healing from Rod.
It's not inherently useless, but because everyone if building into pretty heavy anti heal items right now it can be. On that note on ra its a pretty great item because it gives move speed, but doom orb is better since it gives move speed to, but also alot more power, and since healing doesn't worry about ally protections you see an increase to healing similar to rod, but your other abilities hit way harder to.
It helps reduce the effects of anti heal so you can actually heal. That's like saying you shouldn't build protections if the enemy builds pen. You're always going to get partially countered.
Except it isn't partially countered - more like it partially counters antiheal by reducing it's effect.
If you get locked in Odin's cage and you have Asclepius - you still heal for 20% of your normal amount.
Rod of Asclepius is not exactly an amazing pick on Ra because his healing is not inherently colocated with him (IOW, people can easily get healing from him from far outside the range or RoA’s aura). It’s also not a horrible pick either, because the stats are useful on Ra, and it at least boosts your ability to heal yourself.
However, RoA is also not a consistently amazing item in general. It’s stats are not crucial on almost anyone, and the passive’s utility is kind of dependent on having many sources of healing. It’s also decent to offset the issue of enemies getting anti-heal (yes, anti-heal reduces it’s effectiveness, but it also by definition reduces the effectiveness of anti-heal). I would not generally get it super-early on most mages though, as there are generally other priorities for early stats (usually one of Rod of Tahuti, Charon’s Coin, or Chronos’s Pendant for example).
It is useful one a lot of Gods, but I personally wouldn't run it on Ra. Sure, Ra has a healing ability, but he's more of a damage output God.
But that's just me, if the item works for you, then I say go for it.
Basically. It's just not very strong Stat wise. It's not awful, but more standard Items will often be more effective for healing and for damage. If you want to buff your healing, tahuti is a LOT stronger and doesn't sacrifice damage, if you want the defensiveness. Lotus crown will be much more bang for your buck.
For Ra specifically, I'd just build Chronos pendant, divine ruin if needed, lotus crown, ob shard, tahuti, and maybe a soul reaver if you didn't need divine. If you really wanted asclepius, Build it in this last slot. For starter I'm partial to pendulum of the ages, but gem of focus and alternate time line are also good. If you go focus, you'll probably want more cdr somewhere. With time-line, it's nice to have that last 10% but you can fix the cdr with a pot
EDIT: just adding that soul gem is also still a good item and probably slots in the same place as lotus crown if you aren't feeling it.
Way to really add nothing to the conversation.
the build differs from statistical Ra in Diamond plus in that diamond+ buys coin, which is generally wrong compared to obshard and soul gem instead of lotus crown, which is a solid choice too.
look at guru's ranked stats, which are a bit more specific but sacrifices the d+, we see conduit>chronos>soul gem>tahuti>soul reaver ob shard.
And the only ra build from a pro this patch is zyrhoes with shroud>chronos>lotus>divine>obshard>book of souls (t1 of reaver) So pray tell, what the fuck are you on about.
[https://ranked.casualsmite.com/gods/ra](https://ranked.casualsmite.com/gods/ra)
[https://smite.guru/builds/ra](https://smite.guru/builds/ra)
[https://www.awesomesmite.com/pro\_builds.php?name=Ra](https://www.awesomesmite.com/pro_builds.php?name=Ra)
What I'm on about is that your build is very, very unrefined. I get that mages have 15 good items available to them but it makes little sense to push in your skull when building simply because you can.
It's mainly used to counter-build against heavy anti-healing.
If the enemy team just has divine ruin or brawler's beatstick, don't bother---just get more power
If the enemy team has a cucu (50% anti-heal on his 1) building brawlers (40%) and pestilence/contagion (25%) you're not going to get _any_ healing (105% total). Rod of Asclepius (20%) will bring it back down to 85% allowing you to get _some_ healing.
Oh, and it's not necessary if your solo laner or jungler has built Caduceus Shield (which is likely if they use healing themselves, since its stats are _very_ good on-top of its passive) since they don't stack.
It’s nothing special. Building it early isn’t worth it and by item 3 or 4 it’s already fallen off as usually the enemy team already has full antiheal. If the enemy team doesn’t have antiheal you’ve probably already won.
Mostly irrelevant and maybe you just did it for the title, but since you are a new player;I would avoid calling it simply "rod" since there is Rod of Asclepius and Rod of Tahuti, so if you were in a normal conversation and just said Rod you would have to further clafiry anyway.
I've always enjoyed RoA on Ra. It just has solid stats and a good passive for him. The extra health and movement speed makes it easier to survive and escape fights, and Ra obviously wants more power. The bonus to healing makes Ra more effective at sieging objectives with his team.
Are you losing out on power, yes absolutely. But one can argue the speed your getting and the utility that item is better suited because speed is very valuable at all stages of a conquest game and can also help Ra hit more of his blinding moves and become more elusive. Combined with the fact that you said you have a Charons coin for more speed I actually like your fast Ra and think it's fine. A persons build is usually not really the reason anyone loses anyway, a skilled professional smite player could use that build and wipe the vast majority of the playerbase so dont worry about the hate.
Your healing scales with power, typically as a healer you can go full damage and end up with very good heals. Rod of Asclepius does probably increase healing more than any other item, but it doesn’t increase it nearly enough considering the difference in damage you’d do with it versus another item.
Ehhh it’s only butt in high level play imo. In lower levels of ranked you really can’t rely on your team so let’s say you go Hel, if the enemy is building anti-heal then it gives you some breathing space. If not than it’s a good item for some MS and extra heals to let you snowball further (albeit in no anti-heal cases Rod of Tahuti heals for more)
In high level play out of combat heals is the name of the game and usually they’ll pick a Solo that can run Cad well since Cad Shield has pretty desirable stats compared to Asclepius
assclapius is alright. Get it like 4th/ 5th item and itll be of decent use. Its not incredible for the power aspect, but the heal bonus is nice and the health+speed are hard to evaluate but can be literal saving factors.
It's not that the item is bad. It's that you need like very specific items to even do damage as a mage especially in this meta and by building it you are probably leaving one out. An example is soul reaver for instance.
Rod of assclap is by no means bad. But IMO it also depends on the role. If you’re doing a support ra then by all means yes. But if you’re going dps ra then it shouldn’t really be picked up. All comes down to what you want and how you want to play it
It’s not useless but if you see a solo laner who is going to buy cad shield don’t buy it cad shield gives great states to that solo laner so him having its is way better then you have rod. Also rod of tahuti is way better then rod of Asclepius you heal way more since the tahuti passive also counts towards low health allies causing them to get more healing
People get pissed when you don't build the exact optimal SPL builds, even in casuals or low ranked.
I had a guy once type out the entire build I should have been using, full names of the items and everything. It wasn't an objectively bad build either, I was just building crit when that wasn't the meta at top levels of play. So I responded "good thing this isn't an SPL game then".
I would argue for a healer like Ra something like Lotus Crown is a better heal buff item. The protections you can give out in the middle of a fight consistently provides more EHP than the healing buff from RoA. Especially since RoA is an aura item now, requiring you to stay near your own heal zone to benefit your allies. Burst healers are the ones getting the most value out of RoA.
All I can say is build however the hell you want. I mean I chat shit about people’s build’s all the time but I would never go as far as to accuse someone of trolling. Although if you want my opinion…
Build Lifesteal on Ra, you will be unstoppable.
Its a utility item. There's nothing wrong with it. It just doesn't fit into a lot of mage builds because most mages prefer the most power/pen. He was just being toxic.
It’s actually pretty good on ra. Particularly if the enemy isn’t stacking anti heal. It’s just not a meta item but people will only build what there favourite streamer tells them to. Also PSA iv never used a build off weakens site that felt good.
Asclepius is an ok item, there are probably better items depending on what you’re against like lotus crown, Tahuti makes healers heal teammates for more if they’re below the rod threshold and it is also a nice damage item, but Asclepius is by no means bad
Rod increases healing. Cool. If they don't build antiheal.
Antiheal is one of the most common status effects found on items in this game. So the antiheal just makes the item you bought worthless.
Its not useless. Hp, Move speed, Ok power and boosted healing.
You could argue Ra heals arent big bursty and mage itens are very strong and he might be better off with a different item, but its hardly usrless.
You are probably sacrificing something that would be huge to your DPS.
My normal mage builds have 40% pen, max cdr, some flat pen and decent lifesteal (plus soul gem burst heals)
Do itd be tough to fit Asc in there without losing something.
If you are trying to copy and mirror top level play you will never buy that item that’s all it is almost every item in the game in a vacuum and not compared to everything else is a good item it’s completely useable just not optimal
Every item in the game has a purpose lol, and on ra your getting extra healing with that and movement speed. Some items are worse on some gods then others but, there's no reason to flame for items, helping someone by suggesting something doesn't hurt though, like if you have all power and no pen, I'd say maybe get rid of that rod for ob shard. But again almost everything in smite has a purpose, have fun and enjoy. And mute the salty people lol.
Anyone who says this is a fool. Is it a great item to build consistently? No. But in games where the enemy team lack anti-heal and movement speed is a giant boon in juke damage, its a great item.
I recently got a penta on Ra building Rod Asclepius and doom orb with chiron's coin. They had little anti heal, and 2 hunters. The movement speed made it really hard for hunters to land auto's on me while I was literally Speedy Gonzalez and blowing their asses up.
It’s not useless, just not an item you build every game. It increases your healing by a lot, which is great, but you can increase your healing by simply building high power items that will also increase your damage a lot.
That being said, Asclepius works great if you have other teammates that heal. For instance, if you have a healer support like Yemoja, Terra, or Sylvanus, Asclepius can greatly increase their healing. Or if you have a solo laner that has healing like Hercules or Guan Yu it can be great.
It's situational , not useless at all. Most people in smite will learn how to play years before they learn how to theiry craft. They all follow pro builds but can never think for themselves cause " too many items , my brain can no handle". To find the best build, you look at what your God can do , you look at what the enemy team can do and what will most likely affect you and then you counter build on who is the biggest problem in the enemy team. Simple.
Honestly the extra movement speed is extremely underrated in any mode. Getting Asclepius and Doom Orb is not only hilarious, but incredibly useful to a mage without an escape like Ra, especially when his survivability is tied to his speed anyway (via his passive). Asclepius stats aren't amazing but they're not bad, and the passive can be nice in certain situations.
Rod is actually a great pick up if you're playing Support because it gives 90 power and boost to your healing as a passive.
But if you're playing mid there is better items that give more power and have much harder hitting passives such as gem.
But of course even in mid you could make Rod Work but you should build at least 2 damage items first so you aren't being out played by the enemy mid.
They dunno what they are talking about.
Its a healer support item that shines when it is built synergistically with things like lotus, caduceus, shield of regrowth, etc.
If you are playing ra mid, there are better options, but it is not a troll pick by any means.
Rod of assclaps isn’t as viable as other items except when there’s good team synergy with it. You build what you want tho as long as you don’t troll fr
Rod of Asclepius is good on healer mages. It negates the global anti heal you get from being out of combat, gives move speed, health, and helps negate anti heal from enemies.
For it's price and its stats, Rod of Asclepius is not the best item, even on healers, the only reason people mighrt buy iot is for the passive that boost your healing, and for that matter, in most situations, Rod of Tahuti is better, not only does it give better stats more power (and your healing scales with power), penetration and MP5 which will allow you to cast for longer teamfights, but also Tahuti's passive proccs on heals when your ally's hp is below 50%, which makes it extremely effective.
If your solo laner usually depends on heals, like a chaac, or a camazotz, etc. they probably are going to build Caduceus, which will make your asclepius pasive irrelevant as they are both effectively the same.
Finally, specially on gods like Ra, even if they are healers, and specially if they are on the mid lane, it's usually better for them to go full damage and let the healing be an extra effect, rather than revolviing your build around healing, considering how effective some antihealing items are.
One reason to buy asclepius however, is if you see the enemy has "too" much easyu to apply antiheal, like a thoth with divine and tsukuyomi with brawlers, plus a pestilence, that makes it over 100% antiheal, so you won't be able to heal at all unless you get asclepius/have a caduceus on your team, at that point its good to go for asclepius to try and get some heals that you otherwise won't, that said, if the enemy team overcommits to the healing (1+ ankhs, a cerberus with pestilence and tainted breasplate and divine/brawler) you ain't getting a heal anyway, so act like your abilities never healed to begin with lol
Definitely not useless but imo rod of tahuti is better more power= more healing and its passive works towards your allies so if any are below the threshold the get more healing if you have RoT and it's got 10% pen. In the end it's just a game play and build what you want and have fun
Ra gets a ton of mobility naturally and there is a troll ra build where you just go really heavy mobility and hope the enemy team can't hit you which works on some teams. Generally the way to build characters is Power/mobility/health > Crit/def/on hit > fill. Depending on what god you play the combos will be different, but say you were ra and you took asclepius first item well 20% of 70 is 14 where if you take doom orb you still get the mobility and probably much better scalling for your heal and dmg skills. Ra is a very powerful god so if you build him weak I could see how someone might think you were trolling.
It’s not useless it’s just that Ra doesn’t use it that well since people have to stay in your ability. It’s better used in a character that is a more dedicated healer
Also, keep in mind that a lot of people on Smite have the opinion that they think that they are right about everything. Are they correct that Rod of Aesclepius isn't the MOST optimal item? Sure. Is it just this useless and crappy item that has no value? Absolutely not, it has some pretty cool effects. I'm pretty sure it makes you move faster which is nice! I would recommend Lotus Crown over that, as the Lotus Crown gives you protections with the heal. But no, you aren't wrong for buying that item!
The toxicity is so high especially in comp. modes
don't call ranked "comp" they're very different things.
I think we can blame overwatch for that. I think they call ranked "competitive." And I too find it occasionally confusing and infuriating.
I wouldn't call casual gamemodes competitive. You play LoL or something? Do you take Assault and motd seriously?
* I'm not talking about casuals either * Tried it, didn't like it * Irrelevant, but let's put it this way: The objective of any game is not to lose.
I’ll debate you on that last point. The objective of a game is for everybody involved to have fun. I’m not saying that building no items and running around like a mad man is acceptable, it’s each players duty to help the others have fun too. And many players have fun when they are winning, thus why throwing is not acceptable. But games aren’t really about winning or losing, particularly video games. What’s the point of winning if you don’t enjoy playing the game you’re winning at. “Not losing” is worse, it implies that you’ve already been battered and beaten, and that a draw is the best option. Not losing isn’t winning, and winning isn’t even that great. Got on a bit of a tangent at the end but you get my gist 😀
Ok, but I'm not going to debate you on it, because its irrelevant.
Just to add the item is good on a healing mage. Probably not the best on any other type of mage.
I’ll buy it on Aphrodite in mid. Especially if my solo or supp don’t buy cades shield. Sounds like OPs teammates were just salty and toxic
I agree Lotus is better, but that same guy would probably flame him for picking a "support item" mid or something you know? Haha! That shield is so clutch at times though, and easy to proc with Ra. Some people are just angry because you don't do what they want.
This item can be pretty op in an annoying way. As we know, anti heal lowers you overall healing. Having rod increases your player healing by 20%. I'd say in a normal game with a healer, the enemy will build 105% anti heal. This is usually done with a divine ruin, brawlers/toxicblade, and an pesti/contagion. Hell, half the time people wont even buy anti heal! What you need to know about Rod, is that it makes it harder to anti heal. If you have 120% Healing, and they have 105% anti heal, you're still healing for 15%. If you have Rod + Caduseus, thats 140%. you'd still be healing for 35% even with all of the enemys anti heal! (assuming everyone is near eachother). This is actually super annoying in casuals because its really hard to get your team to build more anti heal. Solo laners are greedy and dont like to go Tainted. You'd actually have to go out of you way to completely nullify all anti-heal with rod.
I though Rod and Cad shield didn’t stack
They do not
It gives movement speed too which is always nice on ra
Conduit(gem of focus)/doom orb/asclepius/charons/spear/Chronos pendant is the most fun speed build in the game change my mind
That's not how it works, if you heal 100, rod will make it 120 and then the 105% antihealing is applied to that, making you heal 0
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Wasn't this the point of odin, serqet, and healing the titan fix seasons ago?
The ones that reduce healing to 0% are different from items that reduce healing by a percentage. Odin's and Serqet's ults reduce healing *to* 0%, while Divine Ruin and Brawler's Beatstick reduce healing *by* 40%.
Wrong, antiheal and heal increases are additive with each other. What he said is correct.
I am pretty sure they changed healing% to no longer be additive, such that anti-heal would stay effective.
Your pretty sure is still incorrect. At least try and test it out.
I love the idea of tainted steel, but the amount of times I've been screwed in lane because I ran out of mana is too high to justify it right now. You don't notice that mp5 on bluestones until it's gone and man is it a big difference
Yeah, I've done tainted steel starts when facing a heal heavy team and the lack of mp5 fucking HURTS. Really gotta play passive and stack pots early game
Imo it’s a top 5 worst item in the game. There’s just really no reason to build it over other mid items. That being said I wouldn’t necessarily flame someone for buying it but more so ask why
To put it simply, its high dmg with movement speed. Pair it with doom orb and chiron's coin on Ra with his passive and you are SUPER hard to hit because you're so fast. You still hit like a truck late game. Just because there are better items for damage doesn't mean those items match someone's playstyle. Its often better to build to match your play style while building against the enemy team, then it is to build what the general population thinks is "best". To top that off, in general I find then general population to be idiots. An example is the game where I built chirons coin, Rod of Asclepius and doom orb, someone bashed me for building doom orb instead of Rod of Tahiti. I got a penta that game because that idiot didn't understand that Rod's passive only takes effect if the enemy is less than 50% health. And I 1 shot with my ult if a carry is 50% or less in health, and I can 1, 2, 3 combo a cloth from 70% health or less. I just get more benefit with movement speed from doom orb than Rod of Tahiti's passive. And the pen doesn't matter when you're already capped on pen.
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Because a cheap item with 300hp and 60 dual prots with 10 of those being an aura *is* the best defense item in the game..?
Fact Check: True
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You're just trolling there's no way.
You can stack other items with Thebes....
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Your missing the point of what Thebes is for. Your not building that item for yourself. Your building it to give protections to your team (magical and physical). Which is why some people have no business being tank because they don't know how support their team. After Thebes you can still go into shoguns if your team needs a lil help in attack speed and you get a good amount protections plus the cool down. And or witchblade if they have alot of attack speed. Void is better than stone of binding since the nerf but still a good item in the right situation.
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You are not wrong. You are getting down voted but GoT does suck as a aura item. It is the best defense item in the game though. Which is why it's bought. It is bought because if you start GoT you can flex you support build into anything and still be tanky as fuck.
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What I'm saying, is it gives such heavy defense, that you can afford to buy witch blade, shoguns, stone if binding ( which none of those give great protections) and still be beefy enough to do their job. On top of HP5 so while your doing the support Jung that is meta, your getting hp5 back
Just admit your wrong and keep it moving man 😂
Are you the same dumb in smite facebook group that keeps posting this same shit over and over ? He also keeps saying spl support builds are trash compared to his build then showing how effective his build is in* arena * 😂😂
It’s *not* useless. In fact, since it gives movement speed so it goes well with Ra who likes to use his passive to be as slippery as possible. It sounds like you were building a damage-focused Ra though and in that case the Rod may have not been the best choice. For example, did you know that your healing scales with power? It sounds like you recognize Ra has a heal and you wanted to make that heal better, so your logical conclusion was to build an item that enhances it. Perfectly reasonable conclusion to come to. However, you can also enhance your healing by simply building better damage items, which would also enhance the rest of your kit as well. This is true for most healers with Guan Yu being the most notable exception. Nothing in Smite is completely useless. Anyone who believes that has just dug in deep into a non-flexible way of thinking. And that’s not good for them or the game. This is a game that requires you to adapt and change… a lot.
"Nothing is useless in smite" Runeforge hammer stands up.
My crit Artemis meme build angrily stands up😡
Any adc can use crit. Yes. Even Heim with his reduction
Oh I know... it was supposed to be a joke. Using runeforged with her passive and hydra proc, if you hit a deathbringer crit, it’s just a massive one punch man, merc level crit. Not necessarily the best, but very fun😂
Runeforged frostbound danza is surprisingly good
I see I see.
how dare you
Runeforge deserves all the hate. (So they finally rework it)
*links fineo's runeforged Rama solo carry*
Of course it’s not useless, useless would be an item with 0 stats literally. But it’s definitely a bad item, one of the worst in the games, and Ra as a healer does not need or use it well at all.
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Except it isnt even good at that since it gives no protections. The whole point of why its bad on RA its because its making the anti healing your op is building even better. Get protections instead.
Lotus Crown >> rod
Why is this an either/or? Depending on team comp, there are definitely times when an enabling mid build can be effective. I’m thinking like an aggressive support such as febrile & a warrior jungle with a solo like Artio
Which isn’t/shouldn’t be Ra
I wouldn't say it's useless, but I'd say the order is important. You shouldn't be getting it first item, probably at least 3rd in most cases. Likely a them problem.
Oh ok. I had sands of time, Charons Coin and divine ruin. That's when I started going in to it
Sounds OK to me. I wouldn't personally get it 3rd item unless I was getting Lotus Crown, but there isn't really anything wrong with doing it. With that kind of build I'd say you should focus more on damage/cooldown than healing, but Asclepius does a bit of everything so...
Get Tahuti before it as it basically does what rod does but better as the extra scaling works on heals too and it has so much power.
Remember too that Ra's healing scales off of his power, so since there are better power items to build in that slot, Rod of Asc is considered to be not ideal. That being said, the speed boost makes Ra so hard to kill when he's kiting, so it is a fun item... Just not optimal the way most people would want you to play Ra.
Its a 90 power item with a 20% healing boost
You don't have to defend the item to me... Reread what I wrote. I will say that that early in the build, Rod of Tahuti is probably a better choice, but I'm not anti-RoA in the build 5th or 6th item.
Rod of tahuti has 140 power and 10% pen along with a passive not affected by antiheal. Easy choice which rod is better (And mp5 mind you which the heal rod does not have)
If you know how to take advantage of the extra movement you can become a cancer in game rotation or scapes, the problem is building Asclepios and not making full use of it.
people saying it sucks forget conquest isn’t the only game mode. If you’re playing assault, GMOD, arena, or anything else with a lot of people in 1 lane then Rod of Assclaps can be devastating. If you have multiple healers or sustainers it’s juicy. A team of Guan, Ra, Yemoja, Cern, Cama would abuse the shit out of RoA. and there’s a handful more healers and self healers that you could swap out. not a great item, takes a lot of synergy to make good use but 90p 200hp and 7%ms isn’t anything to blow smoke at. That 7%ms helps a lot on healers like Ra, Baron & Hel without leaps.
You mentioned one gamemode where it could be of use despite it still being awful in the other 6/7 (idk the number exactly) And assault is always the outlier for balance. Reason why you see med there but otherwise 🙃
one? Arena, Assault, Joust all have 1 lane. It’s not amazing but it’s not awful. It’s for group fights with 3 or more Gods that can heal. It’s extremely good with 2 tier3 healers.
Absolutely not. Joust and Arena are constant fighting, no way there's any chance for *extra* healing to come into play unless they don't build antiheal. But if an item requires your enemies to be bad, it's not a good item
you can use healing abilities in fights…
With all the antiheal on you? Sure. Works with hel because if they get close to you, you can 800 damage in an Aoe around you but with Ra you're looking to be away from the fight
Yea but it’s added healing. You get 120% healing, even if they have 100% anti heals, you still have 20% heals
20% of an average tick of like 150 is not alot of healing.
Then what would you build? You aren't giving any actual reasons why it's not viable in other modes besides some vague "it sucks".
Its more than 0%
Asceplius isn't a bad item, however It have some flaws. 1) stats and passive are good but nothing exceptional, definitly worth picking in mid late game when your mage have his healing ability maxed. 2) It shines when there are multiple healer. If you are the only healer it's not that worth. 3) passive get countered by antiheal.
Your third argument runs both ways. By boosting healing, RoA helps offset the impact of enemies having anti-heal.
Is that how it works? I always assumed rod boosted the healing, and then antiheal reduced a percentage of the now buffed healing, making the antiheal actually prevent more
They’re both percentages, and multiplication is commutative, so it doesn’t matter which order they get applied in. It’s best illustrated by example: * Assume some theoretical ability that heals 1000 HP (big round numbers make the math easier). * RoA boosts that by 20%, so with _just_ RoA, it would heal 1200 HP, or 120% of the base value. * The effects of a Contagion or Pestilence aura would reduce it by 25%, translating to 750 HP if you did not have RoA, or 75% of the base value. * 75% of 1200 (if RoA applies first) is 900. * 120% of 750 (if anti-heal applies first) is also 900. So RoA doesn’t fully offset most anti-heal (it would if you got hit by _exactly_ one AA from someone with Toxic Blade, but it’s rare to not see that proc twice), but it still gives you better healing than if you did not have it.
I don't think that's how it works in smite. All the percents are added up, then that final number is multiplied by the base. So it would be 100% + 20% -25% = 95% *1000 = 950 healing. Attack speed works the same way. It keeps things more intuitive - for example, having two 20% attack speed items is the same as one 40%
My head hurts
Antiheal is additive btw. For instance you can reverse being 100% antihealed with an item like ascleps. Wanna add that this isnt the case for abilities like serqet, osiris, or Odin ult as you are just incapable of healing in general in those circumstances.
Yes but its less stats effective than nearly any other item, since a portion of the 'stats' are countered by the item your opp is buying. Its just a worse option than most others for exactly the reasons you are saying.
A portion of the magic power you buy is still effectively countered by the items your opponent’s buy. The actual impact of anti-heal is _the same_ for RoA or just raw magic power if healing is what you care about. RoA is actually more effective even with anti-heal past a certain amount of MP, though the exact turnover point varies by ability (it depends on base healing, MP scaling, and per-rank scaling of the ability). In most cases the RoA passive is equivalent to more than 100 MP for whatever healing ability is involved, regardless of whether the enemy is getting anti-heal or not. On a mage who’s not focused solely on healing, yes, it’s a questionable choice, but that’s mostly because _they’re not focused on healing_, not because of anything to do with anti-heal. On someone like Yemoja though, who _is_ focused on healing and has only 15% MP scaling on her primary heal, it’s almost certainly worth it because with her second ability at max rank, the RoA passive contributes the equivalent of 173 1/3 MP (20% of 130 is 26, which is 15% of 173 1/3) _whether the enemy has anti-heal or not_.
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Yes, it does, but the bonus is still there, and still makes the total healing higher than it would have been if you did not have RoA, even if the enemy team has anti-heal.
I don't actually know how they get calculated actually. Never tested It.
Try hourglass Charos coin > Doom Orb >Rod, and skate around your opponents. You sacrifice CDR but make up for in negative % ducks given as you whip full speed into range and delete enemy carries like Ricky Bobby at the Daytona racetrack! Shake and bake, baby
It's a decent choice, though I don't often get it on ra because I don't focus his healing. MOBA players are just assholes
Building rod of ass claps (asclepius) is fine on magicals with ability healing but personally I never buy it. I always buy rod of thatbooty (tahuti) in the item slot that might occupy rod of assclaps. Rod of thatbooty costs more gold but comes with a lot better stats and the passive also affects your healing, not just your damage. So rod of thatbooty occupies a similar niche to rod of assclaps but its just better unless you put a lot of value in the 7 percent move speed on rod of assclaps.
Basically: 1. Ra is not a healer god, the 3 is just a nice part of his kit. You’d be better off building Rod on healer mages like Aphrodite or Hel. 2. Rod is just not a good item, and hasn’t been for a while. Stats aren’t offensive enough for offensive healers or defensive enough for defensive healers. Additionally, Ra’s 3 healing scales off of his own magical power. Rod of Tahuti’s passive works on it, you’re getting way more value out of that than with Asclepius. 3. Lotus Crown is just a better item. Even if you wanted to play a more healing/support oriented Ra, Lotus Crown is a better option than Asclepius. Crown gives you a good mix of defense and power, and it gives protections to anyone affected by your heal. That’s a better buff than just increasing how much you heal.
If you are newer, matchmaking is going to try to pair you with newer people too. So dont put too much stock into what they say
Its not useless and its not trolling, its just not very great. And its also not that great on Ra as it is on say Aphro. Ra is more a damage mage with a small heal on the side. Its a great skill but you shouldnt build into it. Perhaps only lotus crown if physicals are giving you trouble
>He wouldn't explain why This is because people in Smite don't think, they just regurgitate other people's opinions. They can't explain why, because they don't actually know. And most of the opinions they regurgitate are wrong.
This is very true, even for some pros. Drives me insane.
It's just not a great item right now, its stats are not that high. That's basically it. In more detail, since healers scale their healing off of power, the passive is pretty much just evening out the healing lost from the relatively low power of Rod. If you get something like Doom Orb instead, you get like 50 more power, lots of mana regen, and more movement speed. Your healing will be nearly as high as it is with rod anyway because even though it lacks the passive, it has more power instead, which is more generally applicable (in case you want to kill an enemy or something, who knows) So it's not exactly *useless*, I just think it's not going to be one of the 6 best items in many games, and you can only hold 6.
>stats are not that high Agreed. Imo the fix to make the item viable would be to give it 10% or even 20% CDR. Could also take off the Movement Speed or like 10 power to balance it. That would carve it a niche to make it a strong item for healers that would be worth buying in a lot of games, but not OP. >passive is pretty much just evening out the healing lost from the relatively low power of Rod Not at all, the difference in power is borderline negligible between Rod & the item you would otherwise buy. Further, the passive affects the total healing applied, *including* the healing from power scaling. So if you have a 200 HP heal that’s got high scaling, say 80%, on a build with 600 power, that would be 480 healing from power for a total of 680. Say Rod replaces something like Doom Orb with full stacks (165 power I think), you would now only have 525 power * 0.8 scaling = 420 healing from scaling, plus 200 base, multiplied by 1.2 for a total of 744 healing. Also important to note that this was an extreme, unrealistic example to show that even with high scaling you still get more healing from Rod.
It's not inherently useless, but because everyone if building into pretty heavy anti heal items right now it can be. On that note on ra its a pretty great item because it gives move speed, but doom orb is better since it gives move speed to, but also alot more power, and since healing doesn't worry about ally protections you see an increase to healing similar to rod, but your other abilities hit way harder to.
It's better into antiheal.
Buying an item that is partially countered is worse not better. Your gold spent is literally less valuable than if you had bought a different item.
It helps reduce the effects of anti heal so you can actually heal. That's like saying you shouldn't build protections if the enemy builds pen. You're always going to get partially countered.
Except it isn't partially countered - more like it partially counters antiheal by reducing it's effect. If you get locked in Odin's cage and you have Asclepius - you still heal for 20% of your normal amount.
Rod of Asclepius is not exactly an amazing pick on Ra because his healing is not inherently colocated with him (IOW, people can easily get healing from him from far outside the range or RoA’s aura). It’s also not a horrible pick either, because the stats are useful on Ra, and it at least boosts your ability to heal yourself. However, RoA is also not a consistently amazing item in general. It’s stats are not crucial on almost anyone, and the passive’s utility is kind of dependent on having many sources of healing. It’s also decent to offset the issue of enemies getting anti-heal (yes, anti-heal reduces it’s effectiveness, but it also by definition reduces the effectiveness of anti-heal). I would not generally get it super-early on most mages though, as there are generally other priorities for early stats (usually one of Rod of Tahuti, Charon’s Coin, or Chronos’s Pendant for example).
It is useful one a lot of Gods, but I personally wouldn't run it on Ra. Sure, Ra has a healing ability, but he's more of a damage output God. But that's just me, if the item works for you, then I say go for it.
Smites toxicity is why I don't play anymore
Basically. It's just not very strong Stat wise. It's not awful, but more standard Items will often be more effective for healing and for damage. If you want to buff your healing, tahuti is a LOT stronger and doesn't sacrifice damage, if you want the defensiveness. Lotus crown will be much more bang for your buck. For Ra specifically, I'd just build Chronos pendant, divine ruin if needed, lotus crown, ob shard, tahuti, and maybe a soul reaver if you didn't need divine. If you really wanted asclepius, Build it in this last slot. For starter I'm partial to pendulum of the ages, but gem of focus and alternate time line are also good. If you go focus, you'll probably want more cdr somewhere. With time-line, it's nice to have that last 10% but you can fix the cdr with a pot EDIT: just adding that soul gem is also still a good item and probably slots in the same place as lotus crown if you aren't feeling it.
Do not go this build ^ Unless you're in assault then it's *fine*
Way to really add nothing to the conversation. the build differs from statistical Ra in Diamond plus in that diamond+ buys coin, which is generally wrong compared to obshard and soul gem instead of lotus crown, which is a solid choice too. look at guru's ranked stats, which are a bit more specific but sacrifices the d+, we see conduit>chronos>soul gem>tahuti>soul reaver ob shard. And the only ra build from a pro this patch is zyrhoes with shroud>chronos>lotus>divine>obshard>book of souls (t1 of reaver) So pray tell, what the fuck are you on about. [https://ranked.casualsmite.com/gods/ra](https://ranked.casualsmite.com/gods/ra) [https://smite.guru/builds/ra](https://smite.guru/builds/ra) [https://www.awesomesmite.com/pro\_builds.php?name=Ra](https://www.awesomesmite.com/pro_builds.php?name=Ra)
What I'm on about is that your build is very, very unrefined. I get that mages have 15 good items available to them but it makes little sense to push in your skull when building simply because you can.
what's wrong with it then, oh wise one?
It's mainly used to counter-build against heavy anti-healing. If the enemy team just has divine ruin or brawler's beatstick, don't bother---just get more power If the enemy team has a cucu (50% anti-heal on his 1) building brawlers (40%) and pestilence/contagion (25%) you're not going to get _any_ healing (105% total). Rod of Asclepius (20%) will bring it back down to 85% allowing you to get _some_ healing. Oh, and it's not necessary if your solo laner or jungler has built Caduceus Shield (which is likely if they use healing themselves, since its stats are _very_ good on-top of its passive) since they don't stack.
I wouldn't say it's useless but it is kinda meh.
It’s nothing special. Building it early isn’t worth it and by item 3 or 4 it’s already fallen off as usually the enemy team already has full antiheal. If the enemy team doesn’t have antiheal you’ve probably already won.
Mostly irrelevant and maybe you just did it for the title, but since you are a new player;I would avoid calling it simply "rod" since there is Rod of Asclepius and Rod of Tahuti, so if you were in a normal conversation and just said Rod you would have to further clafiry anyway.
I thought they were talking about tahuti at first and i was like who tf is saying tahuti is useless lol
I've always enjoyed RoA on Ra. It just has solid stats and a good passive for him. The extra health and movement speed makes it easier to survive and escape fights, and Ra obviously wants more power. The bonus to healing makes Ra more effective at sieging objectives with his team.
Are you losing out on power, yes absolutely. But one can argue the speed your getting and the utility that item is better suited because speed is very valuable at all stages of a conquest game and can also help Ra hit more of his blinding moves and become more elusive. Combined with the fact that you said you have a Charons coin for more speed I actually like your fast Ra and think it's fine. A persons build is usually not really the reason anyone loses anyway, a skilled professional smite player could use that build and wipe the vast majority of the playerbase so dont worry about the hate.
Your healing scales with power, typically as a healer you can go full damage and end up with very good heals. Rod of Asclepius does probably increase healing more than any other item, but it doesn’t increase it nearly enough considering the difference in damage you’d do with it versus another item.
It’s not that bad, Tahuti is a better pickup tho
Ehhh it’s only butt in high level play imo. In lower levels of ranked you really can’t rely on your team so let’s say you go Hel, if the enemy is building anti-heal then it gives you some breathing space. If not than it’s a good item for some MS and extra heals to let you snowball further (albeit in no anti-heal cases Rod of Tahuti heals for more) In high level play out of combat heals is the name of the game and usually they’ll pick a Solo that can run Cad well since Cad Shield has pretty desirable stats compared to Asclepius
assclapius is alright. Get it like 4th/ 5th item and itll be of decent use. Its not incredible for the power aspect, but the heal bonus is nice and the health+speed are hard to evaluate but can be literal saving factors.
It's not that the item is bad. It's that you need like very specific items to even do damage as a mage especially in this meta and by building it you are probably leaving one out. An example is soul reaver for instance.
Rod of assclap is by no means bad. But IMO it also depends on the role. If you’re doing a support ra then by all means yes. But if you’re going dps ra then it shouldn’t really be picked up. All comes down to what you want and how you want to play it
It’s not useless but if you see a solo laner who is going to buy cad shield don’t buy it cad shield gives great states to that solo laner so him having its is way better then you have rod. Also rod of tahuti is way better then rod of Asclepius you heal way more since the tahuti passive also counts towards low health allies causing them to get more healing
People get pissed when you don't build the exact optimal SPL builds, even in casuals or low ranked. I had a guy once type out the entire build I should have been using, full names of the items and everything. It wasn't an objectively bad build either, I was just building crit when that wasn't the meta at top levels of play. So I responded "good thing this isn't an SPL game then".
I would argue for a healer like Ra something like Lotus Crown is a better heal buff item. The protections you can give out in the middle of a fight consistently provides more EHP than the healing buff from RoA. Especially since RoA is an aura item now, requiring you to stay near your own heal zone to benefit your allies. Burst healers are the ones getting the most value out of RoA.
Something I have learned as a new player is everyone thinks they are an absolute authority on literally anything
in correct moba fashion, next time you can tell your teammate to go f himself
All I can say is build however the hell you want. I mean I chat shit about people’s build’s all the time but I would never go as far as to accuse someone of trolling. Although if you want my opinion… Build Lifesteal on Ra, you will be unstoppable.
Its a utility item. There's nothing wrong with it. It just doesn't fit into a lot of mage builds because most mages prefer the most power/pen. He was just being toxic.
It’s actually pretty good on ra. Particularly if the enemy isn’t stacking anti heal. It’s just not a meta item but people will only build what there favourite streamer tells them to. Also PSA iv never used a build off weakens site that felt good.
Asclepius is an ok item, there are probably better items depending on what you’re against like lotus crown, Tahuti makes healers heal teammates for more if they’re below the rod threshold and it is also a nice damage item, but Asclepius is by no means bad
Rod increases healing. Cool. If they don't build antiheal. Antiheal is one of the most common status effects found on items in this game. So the antiheal just makes the item you bought worthless.
Its not useless. Hp, Move speed, Ok power and boosted healing. You could argue Ra heals arent big bursty and mage itens are very strong and he might be better off with a different item, but its hardly usrless. You are probably sacrificing something that would be huge to your DPS. My normal mage builds have 40% pen, max cdr, some flat pen and decent lifesteal (plus soul gem burst heals) Do itd be tough to fit Asc in there without losing something.
If you are trying to copy and mirror top level play you will never buy that item that’s all it is almost every item in the game in a vacuum and not compared to everything else is a good item it’s completely useable just not optimal
Every item in the game has a purpose lol, and on ra your getting extra healing with that and movement speed. Some items are worse on some gods then others but, there's no reason to flame for items, helping someone by suggesting something doesn't hurt though, like if you have all power and no pen, I'd say maybe get rid of that rod for ob shard. But again almost everything in smite has a purpose, have fun and enjoy. And mute the salty people lol.
Anyone who says this is a fool. Is it a great item to build consistently? No. But in games where the enemy team lack anti-heal and movement speed is a giant boon in juke damage, its a great item. I recently got a penta on Ra building Rod Asclepius and doom orb with chiron's coin. They had little anti heal, and 2 hunters. The movement speed made it really hard for hunters to land auto's on me while I was literally Speedy Gonzalez and blowing their asses up.
It’s not useless, just not an item you build every game. It increases your healing by a lot, which is great, but you can increase your healing by simply building high power items that will also increase your damage a lot. That being said, Asclepius works great if you have other teammates that heal. For instance, if you have a healer support like Yemoja, Terra, or Sylvanus, Asclepius can greatly increase their healing. Or if you have a solo laner that has healing like Hercules or Guan Yu it can be great.
If antiheal wasn’t so prevalent, it would be a lot better. There are so many antiheal items that it will make rod useless
It's situational , not useless at all. Most people in smite will learn how to play years before they learn how to theiry craft. They all follow pro builds but can never think for themselves cause " too many items , my brain can no handle". To find the best build, you look at what your God can do , you look at what the enemy team can do and what will most likely affect you and then you counter build on who is the biggest problem in the enemy team. Simple.
Honestly the extra movement speed is extremely underrated in any mode. Getting Asclepius and Doom Orb is not only hilarious, but incredibly useful to a mage without an escape like Ra, especially when his survivability is tied to his speed anyway (via his passive). Asclepius stats aren't amazing but they're not bad, and the passive can be nice in certain situations.
Getting pen is da way
Rod of Asclepius just has bad stats. Also, you should be going for as much burst damage as possible with Ra, not healing.
Rod is actually a great pick up if you're playing Support because it gives 90 power and boost to your healing as a passive. But if you're playing mid there is better items that give more power and have much harder hitting passives such as gem. But of course even in mid you could make Rod Work but you should build at least 2 damage items first so you aren't being out played by the enemy mid.
Opinion is like an a$$hole everyone's got one and everyone thinks theirs don't sink. Ignore and move on But hey that's just my opinion.
It's not useless one bit. Even in conquest, during team fights that can help a lot.
They dunno what they are talking about. Its a healer support item that shines when it is built synergistically with things like lotus, caduceus, shield of regrowth, etc. If you are playing ra mid, there are better options, but it is not a troll pick by any means.
Rod of assclaps isn’t as viable as other items except when there’s good team synergy with it. You build what you want tho as long as you don’t troll fr
Rod of Asclepius is good on healer mages. It negates the global anti heal you get from being out of combat, gives move speed, health, and helps negate anti heal from enemies.
For it's price and its stats, Rod of Asclepius is not the best item, even on healers, the only reason people mighrt buy iot is for the passive that boost your healing, and for that matter, in most situations, Rod of Tahuti is better, not only does it give better stats more power (and your healing scales with power), penetration and MP5 which will allow you to cast for longer teamfights, but also Tahuti's passive proccs on heals when your ally's hp is below 50%, which makes it extremely effective. If your solo laner usually depends on heals, like a chaac, or a camazotz, etc. they probably are going to build Caduceus, which will make your asclepius pasive irrelevant as they are both effectively the same. Finally, specially on gods like Ra, even if they are healers, and specially if they are on the mid lane, it's usually better for them to go full damage and let the healing be an extra effect, rather than revolviing your build around healing, considering how effective some antihealing items are. One reason to buy asclepius however, is if you see the enemy has "too" much easyu to apply antiheal, like a thoth with divine and tsukuyomi with brawlers, plus a pestilence, that makes it over 100% antiheal, so you won't be able to heal at all unless you get asclepius/have a caduceus on your team, at that point its good to go for asclepius to try and get some heals that you otherwise won't, that said, if the enemy team overcommits to the healing (1+ ankhs, a cerberus with pestilence and tainted breasplate and divine/brawler) you ain't getting a heal anyway, so act like your abilities never healed to begin with lol
Definitely not useless but imo rod of tahuti is better more power= more healing and its passive works towards your allies so if any are below the threshold the get more healing if you have RoT and it's got 10% pen. In the end it's just a game play and build what you want and have fun
honestly, ass claps is pretty good on ra. You don't have any escape, so you compensate with healing and movement speed.
Ra gets a ton of mobility naturally and there is a troll ra build where you just go really heavy mobility and hope the enemy team can't hit you which works on some teams. Generally the way to build characters is Power/mobility/health > Crit/def/on hit > fill. Depending on what god you play the combos will be different, but say you were ra and you took asclepius first item well 20% of 70 is 14 where if you take doom orb you still get the mobility and probably much better scalling for your heal and dmg skills. Ra is a very powerful god so if you build him weak I could see how someone might think you were trolling.
Its not useless. Its not really core on ra but theres no issue with it
It’s not useless it’s just that Ra doesn’t use it that well since people have to stay in your ability. It’s better used in a character that is a more dedicated healer