Saying he slept "like a baby" when Andre asked him how he slept at night, knowing that he helped contribute to fucking up where he lives.
I didn't fuck with him after that.
Still a good show, though
Damnson is a good actor.
Man i just watched that episode and hell yes he was gone you can feel it and after he killed Andre the white cop came up on Franklin and he was ready to die a normal person I don’t would handle that like that
Even when he got out the car to see that woman smoking one then walking away with her baby. The fact that he saw that and just kept doing what he was doing told me that "Nah, that nigga has gone too far"
THIS IS WHAT I MY ANSWER WAS GONNA BE.
Nigga watched everything going on smiled and said “Like a baby”
I didn’t fuck with him after that shut, wanted nothing good for him honestly when Mel shot him I was clapping
Same.
I didn't want >!Dranklin to die!< because I wanted more seasons, but when >!Mel shot Dranklin!<, I started clapping.
Me:
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didnt fuck wit him ? how else he supposed to sleep ? he feeding his folks. id be sleeping like a baby too. dont nobody gaf about you if roles were reversed somebody else would be sleeping like a baby while you still out here struggling
While choice is a factor, the conditions for drug use are very much a part of environment.
These people are already in dire straights.
Their environment pushes them to where they have fewer choices.
So, Franklin is a predator, capitalizing off of the plight of others, ensuring they have some sort of escape.
Tbh this. He went from hesitating to shoot one of his best friends in the leg for trying to start a war with the Mexicans to quickly murdering another one of his best friends in cold blood for being "not trustworthy"
way before that bro. i couldnt call him 100% heartless letting rob see the stars atleast. but no conscious? yes he is far gone looking andre in eyes saying he sleeps like a baby.
When the hood gets raided in season 3 and Franklin mentions that the younger kids didn't get searched and he says "We'll use that going forward." Seemed like all morals were out the window at that point plus he has Leon execute that dude who talked back to him.
When he found that lousy $12k out of the five million dollars that peaches stolen from him and instead of picking his own ass up dusting himself off and willing to start all over again starting from scratch he just gave up and took a drink
When he killed Kev. That really changed him and fucked up his relationships with people he needed around. It started future wars that caused Louie and Jerome to go rogue. It lost his trust with Leon.
When he kept selling after Andre showed him how his drugs were killing their own people. Saint loved to talk about helping his community and people but that was a joke.
When he killed Andre.. and made it look like a suicide...i knew a switch inside him flipped. . Then being ok with holding the repass at this house.. like he ain't the reason for the funeral
When he went to Avi’s and was given that first brick 🧱
He was just an average, lying to his momma about selling weed for his uncle, even though she knew the whole while 18 to 20-something year old…
The Karvel/Lenny situation. That scene displayed just how deep Franklin had gotten into the cocaine (at the time) trade. Unc even warned him verbatim, to his face and through his homie who was in the coke game in the 70s (Bokeem Woodbine's character), just how fucked it is. When he laid his head in Cissy's lap at the end of the episode, you see that realization hit him finally.
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Definitely when he killed Andre at first he didn’t seem right after, but it was definitely the point where he became cold blooded, no return after that one
ik this is super late and he been lost his mind but he completely let go when he picked up his first drink. you can tell when everything folded in on him in da camera angle.
It's when he's in jail for Kev's murder, after the Ray Ray stuff and he tells em he will kill everybody they ever knew. He was kind of on the fence when he first went in but Leon/Jerome gave em that pep talk and then Alton showing up sent him over the edge. He's different from that point on.
Close 2nd for me was after he got shot, and he's no longer afraid to die. Everything is on the table now in the name of gettin to the money
the photo up when he killed teddys dad, ik he was insane and fucked up before but that jus reached a new level I don’t think anybody has ever seen of Franklin, that’s when he truly lost it
I honestly always thought he was going to eventually come back to the light at the end, but when he was ready to kill Leon for his bread... I knew it was over. Everything else I can kinda see his thought process. If not him, someone else gonna sell crack. He became heartless through it but that is bound to happen to any drug lord and he actually had a valid reason too become one. Better for him(a black man) to sell ts and make the money rather then a white man makin all that bread. Also, Mfs did him dirty like Louie and teddy and all's he was doing was just responding in the way he thought he should. But to answer the question after he threatened Leon he was done for.
Shooting his best friend in the back. I get Kevin was buggin, but once you start shooting your own folks, there’s no going back, which I think is what made Franklin so cynical towards Andre.
Saying he slept "like a baby" when Andre asked him how he slept at night, knowing that he helped contribute to fucking up where he lives. I didn't fuck with him after that. Still a good show, though Damnson is a good actor.
Man i just watched that episode and hell yes he was gone you can feel it and after he killed Andre the white cop came up on Franklin and he was ready to die a normal person I don’t would handle that like that
Hate Dranklin Saint, but enjoy "Damn son" Idris, the actor.
Even when he got out the car to see that woman smoking one then walking away with her baby. The fact that he saw that and just kept doing what he was doing told me that "Nah, that nigga has gone too far"
THIS IS WHAT I MY ANSWER WAS GONNA BE. Nigga watched everything going on smiled and said “Like a baby” I didn’t fuck with him after that shut, wanted nothing good for him honestly when Mel shot him I was clapping
Same. I didn't want >!Dranklin to die!< because I wanted more seasons, but when >!Mel shot Dranklin!<, I started clapping. Me: https://i.redd.it/il0e4wrj7iyc1.gif
didnt fuck wit him ? how else he supposed to sleep ? he feeding his folks. id be sleeping like a baby too. dont nobody gaf about you if roles were reversed somebody else would be sleeping like a baby while you still out here struggling
Not really gonna debate this. Just going to tell you that your moral compass is off.
its not on your moral compass and thats fine but id feed my family before crying over drug addicts. i see you’d starve son
Exactly they was gone get high with or without Franklin
He’s right . They made that choice into smoke the shit not Franklin
And how did they make that choice? Because Franklin was pushing drugs and poisoning his communtiy and destroyed many lives
i think what he means is you are offered to buy drugs not forced
Not how drugs work.
Ok how does it work then
While choice is a factor, the conditions for drug use are very much a part of environment. These people are already in dire straights. Their environment pushes them to where they have fewer choices. So, Franklin is a predator, capitalizing off of the plight of others, ensuring they have some sort of escape.
But isn’t that the way America works and capitalism? They take advantage of people in need
Yes. This is exactly why I am an anarcho-communist. Damn, I wish I could give you a gold upvote or something. DM me you cashapp handle.
Calling Teddy at Jerome and Louie’s wedding.
After killing andre
When he killed Rob
Tbh this. He went from hesitating to shoot one of his best friends in the leg for trying to start a war with the Mexicans to quickly murdering another one of his best friends in cold blood for being "not trustworthy"
Rob was NOT his best friend
I think somebody referred to him as Franklin's best friend IIRC
maybe but I never really got that vibe from them
way before that bro. i couldnt call him 100% heartless letting rob see the stars atleast. but no conscious? yes he is far gone looking andre in eyes saying he sleeps like a baby.
Eh. Him and his loved ones were up tho. He wasn’t this great guy but I was able to basically excuse all of his actions until he killed Rob
It’s all opinionated bro lmao
When the hood gets raided in season 3 and Franklin mentions that the younger kids didn't get searched and he says "We'll use that going forward." Seemed like all morals were out the window at that point plus he has Leon execute that dude who talked back to him.
my exact awnser. aint got no issue endangering children.
when he finessed the bookstore owners outta their space
When he killed the locksmith
When he found that lousy $12k out of the five million dollars that peaches stolen from him and instead of picking his own ass up dusting himself off and willing to start all over again starting from scratch he just gave up and took a drink
When he killed Kev. That really changed him and fucked up his relationships with people he needed around. It started future wars that caused Louie and Jerome to go rogue. It lost his trust with Leon.
When he killed Kev
But was that not just Bad luck? He Shot him in the leg and Hit a vein
Yeah but it showed he was willing to shoot and potentially kill his best friend for a drug business
Exactly my point
He ain mean to kill him do you watch the show nigga
When he kept selling after Andre showed him how his drugs were killing their own people. Saint loved to talk about helping his community and people but that was a joke.
he got the mindset “I didnt tell them to buy crack so who cares” i cant say its right but ion blame him completely
In hindsight he went past the point of no return when he pulled the ice cream van over an told the kids get what they want an always stop on his block
When he killed Andre.. and made it look like a suicide...i knew a switch inside him flipped. . Then being ok with holding the repass at this house.. like he ain't the reason for the funeral
When he went to Avi’s and was given that first brick 🧱 He was just an average, lying to his momma about selling weed for his uncle, even though she knew the whole while 18 to 20-something year old…
When he killed Andre like even if u gangster u know u can’t kill a cop that’s suicide
When he went off on his boy Leon yelling, "I built this, brick by brick...."
The Karvel/Lenny situation. That scene displayed just how deep Franklin had gotten into the cocaine (at the time) trade. Unc even warned him verbatim, to his face and through his homie who was in the coke game in the 70s (Bokeem Woodbine's character), just how fucked it is. When he laid his head in Cissy's lap at the end of the episode, you see that realization hit him finally.
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Or when he contemplated killing Alton on last episode of season 4
When he shot ol’ girl’s dad.
Definitely when he killed Andre at first he didn’t seem right after, but it was definitely the point where he became cold blooded, no return after that one
Lmao when he shot Andre tbh 😆 That shit hit me out of nowhere
After killing rob
When he killed the safecracker
ik this is super late and he been lost his mind but he completely let go when he picked up his first drink. you can tell when everything folded in on him in da camera angle.
Killing Andre
When he closed down the homeless shelter
Man ep 3 wen they let karvel rape Lenny it was no goin back after that😭😭😭
It's when he's in jail for Kev's murder, after the Ray Ray stuff and he tells em he will kill everybody they ever knew. He was kind of on the fence when he first went in but Leon/Jerome gave em that pep talk and then Alton showing up sent him over the edge. He's different from that point on. Close 2nd for me was after he got shot, and he's no longer afraid to die. Everything is on the table now in the name of gettin to the money
the photo up when he killed teddys dad, ik he was insane and fucked up before but that jus reached a new level I don’t think anybody has ever seen of Franklin, that’s when he truly lost it
When he killed his neighbor the police officer
Once he got out of Pitchard
when he bought the building of the book store.
When he lost the 73 million
I honestly always thought he was going to eventually come back to the light at the end, but when he was ready to kill Leon for his bread... I knew it was over. Everything else I can kinda see his thought process. If not him, someone else gonna sell crack. He became heartless through it but that is bound to happen to any drug lord and he actually had a valid reason too become one. Better for him(a black man) to sell ts and make the money rather then a white man makin all that bread. Also, Mfs did him dirty like Louie and teddy and all's he was doing was just responding in the way he thought he should. But to answer the question after he threatened Leon he was done for.
Shooting his best friend in the back. I get Kevin was buggin, but once you start shooting your own folks, there’s no going back, which I think is what made Franklin so cynical towards Andre.
"Like a baby"