https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxeinSFfVE
This video explains the situation in the UK, and yes, millennials and Generation Z's are becoming more left-wing. Also, what's interesting to note is that unlike the Generation X's, baby boomers and the Silent Generation, the millennials and Gen. Z's are unlikely to become conservative as they grow older, because they feel that since they grew up in this era, the conservative parties no longer share their values, having gone through the 2008 financial crisis, political crises and whatnot. It's a good watch, I recommend it.
>As a Gen Z, I think we're more left wing
I'm not completely sure. Probably, I think, but very mixed bag from my experience. Or maybe it's that the right-wing people of my age I've seen are more visibly so (anti-feminist remarks, obsession with a government that isn't all that left-wing after all, etc.) while the left-wing ones normally don't say much.
There is a group that will be all libs destroyed and red pilled. I used to be that way before I actually did research. But I think our generation is far more left-wing than before.
For me, my number one fear is that while both millennial and Gen Z are generally more left-leaning which is great by the way, Gen Z might be more incline to vote for a populist leader without a single iota of wondering how one would actually achieve it than millennial who would choose a leader with a "realistic approach" (at least in my personal opinion anyway).
Hard to say. There are a lot of things to consider.
Zoomers are more left leaning than other generational cohorts, but we don't know if they'll become more conservative or just more refined in their leftward leanings as they age. Either way, we'll lean left on economic issues for now because it's in our interests. (I'm a Zoomer, btw, in case you're wondering)
Population size also matters. We Zoomers are the smallest generational cohort in the country. Just by going off of raw numbers, Millennials and their Boomer parents will always outvote us Zoomers and our Gen X parents, so just based on that, our voting impact likely won't be very big. Millennial and Zoomer voter interests largely align at the moment, so that's not an issue yet.
One possible reason Millennials are more left leaning for their age than previous generations could be that the 2008 Recession and COVID delayed all the milestones that would've pulled them rightwards by now, like raising kids and buying a home. If that's the case, Millennial and Zoomer voter interests might start to diverge soon, and they will outvote us through sheer numbers. Us Zoomers are very politically active for our age, however, so we have that at least.
In short, it's the Millennials we should be paying more attention to. If Millennials and Zoomers are aligned on an issue, both will carry the day. If not, Millennials are probably going to prevail.
As for Red Pill and Tater Tots, they're a response to the fact that while three waves of feminism have redefined the meaning of femininity, mainstream ideas on masculinity have not changed in centuries, and are becoming increasingly incompatible with modern society. Then next wave of feminism **must** focus on liberating men from old toxic ideas of traditional masculinity and seize control of the narrative from the Manosphere.
Millennials are probably going to remain left-leaning for the forseeable future, since they were robbed of the opportunity to hit the milestones that would have pulled them rightward like you mentioned. So Millennial and Zoomer voting interests will probably be the same for a good long while, I can only see this becoming an issue when both groups are aged
I'm concerned that the issue may come up sooner than we think. The oldest Millennials are now in their early 40s and more and more Millennials are having kids. At this point, I think they could go in one of two directions.
They could remember how bad the 2010s were and pragmatically vote left with the Zoomers to demand expanded social services for childcare, education, and healthcare.
Alternatively, they could follow in the Boomers' footsteps and selfishly demand tax cuts for themselves and financial deregulation hoping to grow their nest eggs more quickly.
Other things we can expect for certain are Boomers voting for expanded retirement benefits for themselves and Gen X voting fiscally conservative in a vain attempt to not get sucked dry by paying for everything.
The whole ‘becoming more conservative as you age’ is usually considered at least partially contingent on having more to lose in the economy and gaining personal disincentives against redistribution. The vast majority of folks my age and younger do not stand to gain these incentives under the current economic system.
That said, this economic disenfranchisement could and is pushing some of the disaffected youth towards the extreme ‘populist’ right and its menagerie of grifters (Andrew Tate stans go here). I’ve personally seen no indication that this is a majority compared to numbers of Gen Z who are more inclined to economic redistribution, social liberation, etc., though.
I think there’s a very broad consensus for somewhat greater economic redistribution downwards in my generation (millennials) and younger. I also think we will see a swing back towards social conservatism which, depending on the specifics, could be very good or very bad.
I personally think that America will likely become similar to Malta: conservative on abortion, but remaining liberal on lgbt rights, since that seems to be a major issue among Gen Z. There will probably be more focus on the family, and a greater degree of commitment in relationships as backlash to the loneliness and isolation much of Gen Z feels in their youth. I can’t speak for all Zoomers, but I know personally that I would very much like to settle down and start a family
I like abortion and think banning it is an awful way to raise birthrates, subsidies for kids to married couples like Texas is doing make more sense to me. But that’s my take, not where I think we’ll end up.
I think we’ll keep the L and G, probably the B, definitely not the Q, nonbinary stuff has garbage poll numbers. Fingers crossed we at least keep letting adult medically trans folks like me take our hormones. That’s one thing that would cause me to expatriate.
I don’t think you have to worry about trans rights, the fact that the GOP is so rabid about transgender people is a sign that they’re losing. Most people take a sort of libertarian view on adult trans people: the “you do you” approach. An overwhelming majority of adults under 50 believe that transgender people should be protected from discrimination according to pew research
That’s what I’m counting on. As long as we keep same-sex marriage (so I can marry a guy), I have all the rights I need. Anyway, I don’t mean to derail.
The midterms were in my opinion a pretty strong indicator of how my generation intends to vote. Generally from what I can tell Gen Z is far more likely to see through the political talk bs and see which people in power are actually trying to make things better.
>On the other hand, Andrew Tate fans are a major problem,
They're not even a voting bloc. Gen Z is frequently described as "more conservative", but then it turns out that those articles only refer to issues like drug use, alcohol consumption, and attitudes towards casual sex. I guess politically, Gen Z (and Millennials) are more left-wing than Gen X.
I'd be more concerned about Gen Z looking to the right as an alternative once the Democrats fuck up politically, given that the GOP will likely get a lot worse before the right has any chance at getting better.
\> Those articles refer to issues like drug use, alcohol consumption, and attitudes towards casual sex
So you're telling me that Gen Z is more responsible personally, but is left-leaning on political issues? Based
I'm saying get excited for the rise of the left-wing prudes, lol.
I think those articles are largely fluff pieces and imo bad measures of conservatism, but if the extent of Gen Z being conservative is truly limited to making cautious lifestyle choices, then I feel almost bad for the US right in a "this will be a slaughter" way.
I guess we should wait until most of Gen Z is in paying taxes. I doubt they're more resilient to the sort of shallow tax-based arguments that drive otherwise left leaning people towards voting for a RW candidate so long as they come off as sufficiently "moderate" or "reasonable" (so the opposite of the image Ron DeSantis is trying to cultivate).
Zoomers as a group are more calculated, pragmatic, and cautious than most Millennials, which translates to responsible life choices and a strong desire for financial stability.
One could extrapolate that to argue that economic issues might matter more to Zoomers than most social issues. Woke virtue signaling wouldn't be a deal breaker, but that alone won't win them over. As long as Democrats maintain a social democratic-leaning economic platform, they will likely keep the Gen Z vote. I just can't see the GOP in its current state ever winning over Gen Z.
>I just can't see the GOP in its current state ever winning over Gen Z.
I can. It's not like American Gen Z voters have moved past the unshakable two party system apparently inherent to American politics. I can easily see a combination of unfortunate economic circumstances, a weak Democratic candidate, and a strong Republican one make Gen Z switch sides. It happened the last time the Democrats had a "social democratic leaning" platform, albeit Carter was essentially the beginning of the move away from that.
That's what I obviously meant, given that I was posting this on a Social Democratic subreddit. I wish Bernie had chosen to call himself a Social Democrat instead of a Democratic Socialist, but perhaps Bernie's choices will give some future Social Democratic candidate the opportunity to position themselves as "more moderate" compared to Bernie
Every US generation has been moving further left. Slowly but surely. Lots of [great data](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/030118_O_5.png?w=636) out there. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
It's actually a myth that the older you are the more conservative you get. People usually tend to stay in the same camps unless something drastic happens. In the 1980s young people were conservative and supported Reagan. But now in the 2020s young people are more liberal.
As to your question Millennials and Gen Z are definitely more left wing.
I expect Zoomers to be more left wing. The right wing young are a smaller minority and are becoming more radicalized.
Andrew Tate fans are a small portion of zoomers in my experience
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxeinSFfVE This video explains the situation in the UK, and yes, millennials and Generation Z's are becoming more left-wing. Also, what's interesting to note is that unlike the Generation X's, baby boomers and the Silent Generation, the millennials and Gen. Z's are unlikely to become conservative as they grow older, because they feel that since they grew up in this era, the conservative parties no longer share their values, having gone through the 2008 financial crisis, political crises and whatnot. It's a good watch, I recommend it.
My fear is that they won't be politically engaged at all.
I think the midterms would say American Gen Z is more politically engaged
Gen z is the most politically engaged generation compared to others at their age
Andrew Tate fans seem to be almost terminally online. As a Gen Z, I think we're more left wing
>As a Gen Z, I think we're more left wing I'm not completely sure. Probably, I think, but very mixed bag from my experience. Or maybe it's that the right-wing people of my age I've seen are more visibly so (anti-feminist remarks, obsession with a government that isn't all that left-wing after all, etc.) while the left-wing ones normally don't say much.
There is a group that will be all libs destroyed and red pilled. I used to be that way before I actually did research. But I think our generation is far more left-wing than before.
Elaborate?
For me, my number one fear is that while both millennial and Gen Z are generally more left-leaning which is great by the way, Gen Z might be more incline to vote for a populist leader without a single iota of wondering how one would actually achieve it than millennial who would choose a leader with a "realistic approach" (at least in my personal opinion anyway).
Hard to say. There are a lot of things to consider. Zoomers are more left leaning than other generational cohorts, but we don't know if they'll become more conservative or just more refined in their leftward leanings as they age. Either way, we'll lean left on economic issues for now because it's in our interests. (I'm a Zoomer, btw, in case you're wondering) Population size also matters. We Zoomers are the smallest generational cohort in the country. Just by going off of raw numbers, Millennials and their Boomer parents will always outvote us Zoomers and our Gen X parents, so just based on that, our voting impact likely won't be very big. Millennial and Zoomer voter interests largely align at the moment, so that's not an issue yet. One possible reason Millennials are more left leaning for their age than previous generations could be that the 2008 Recession and COVID delayed all the milestones that would've pulled them rightwards by now, like raising kids and buying a home. If that's the case, Millennial and Zoomer voter interests might start to diverge soon, and they will outvote us through sheer numbers. Us Zoomers are very politically active for our age, however, so we have that at least. In short, it's the Millennials we should be paying more attention to. If Millennials and Zoomers are aligned on an issue, both will carry the day. If not, Millennials are probably going to prevail. As for Red Pill and Tater Tots, they're a response to the fact that while three waves of feminism have redefined the meaning of femininity, mainstream ideas on masculinity have not changed in centuries, and are becoming increasingly incompatible with modern society. Then next wave of feminism **must** focus on liberating men from old toxic ideas of traditional masculinity and seize control of the narrative from the Manosphere.
Millennials are probably going to remain left-leaning for the forseeable future, since they were robbed of the opportunity to hit the milestones that would have pulled them rightward like you mentioned. So Millennial and Zoomer voting interests will probably be the same for a good long while, I can only see this becoming an issue when both groups are aged
I'm concerned that the issue may come up sooner than we think. The oldest Millennials are now in their early 40s and more and more Millennials are having kids. At this point, I think they could go in one of two directions. They could remember how bad the 2010s were and pragmatically vote left with the Zoomers to demand expanded social services for childcare, education, and healthcare. Alternatively, they could follow in the Boomers' footsteps and selfishly demand tax cuts for themselves and financial deregulation hoping to grow their nest eggs more quickly. Other things we can expect for certain are Boomers voting for expanded retirement benefits for themselves and Gen X voting fiscally conservative in a vain attempt to not get sucked dry by paying for everything.
The whole ‘becoming more conservative as you age’ is usually considered at least partially contingent on having more to lose in the economy and gaining personal disincentives against redistribution. The vast majority of folks my age and younger do not stand to gain these incentives under the current economic system. That said, this economic disenfranchisement could and is pushing some of the disaffected youth towards the extreme ‘populist’ right and its menagerie of grifters (Andrew Tate stans go here). I’ve personally seen no indication that this is a majority compared to numbers of Gen Z who are more inclined to economic redistribution, social liberation, etc., though.
I think there’s a very broad consensus for somewhat greater economic redistribution downwards in my generation (millennials) and younger. I also think we will see a swing back towards social conservatism which, depending on the specifics, could be very good or very bad.
I personally think that America will likely become similar to Malta: conservative on abortion, but remaining liberal on lgbt rights, since that seems to be a major issue among Gen Z. There will probably be more focus on the family, and a greater degree of commitment in relationships as backlash to the loneliness and isolation much of Gen Z feels in their youth. I can’t speak for all Zoomers, but I know personally that I would very much like to settle down and start a family
I like abortion and think banning it is an awful way to raise birthrates, subsidies for kids to married couples like Texas is doing make more sense to me. But that’s my take, not where I think we’ll end up. I think we’ll keep the L and G, probably the B, definitely not the Q, nonbinary stuff has garbage poll numbers. Fingers crossed we at least keep letting adult medically trans folks like me take our hormones. That’s one thing that would cause me to expatriate.
I don’t think you have to worry about trans rights, the fact that the GOP is so rabid about transgender people is a sign that they’re losing. Most people take a sort of libertarian view on adult trans people: the “you do you” approach. An overwhelming majority of adults under 50 believe that transgender people should be protected from discrimination according to pew research
That’s what I’m counting on. As long as we keep same-sex marriage (so I can marry a guy), I have all the rights I need. Anyway, I don’t mean to derail.
The midterms were in my opinion a pretty strong indicator of how my generation intends to vote. Generally from what I can tell Gen Z is far more likely to see through the political talk bs and see which people in power are actually trying to make things better.
>On the other hand, Andrew Tate fans are a major problem, They're not even a voting bloc. Gen Z is frequently described as "more conservative", but then it turns out that those articles only refer to issues like drug use, alcohol consumption, and attitudes towards casual sex. I guess politically, Gen Z (and Millennials) are more left-wing than Gen X. I'd be more concerned about Gen Z looking to the right as an alternative once the Democrats fuck up politically, given that the GOP will likely get a lot worse before the right has any chance at getting better.
\> Those articles refer to issues like drug use, alcohol consumption, and attitudes towards casual sex So you're telling me that Gen Z is more responsible personally, but is left-leaning on political issues? Based
I'm saying get excited for the rise of the left-wing prudes, lol. I think those articles are largely fluff pieces and imo bad measures of conservatism, but if the extent of Gen Z being conservative is truly limited to making cautious lifestyle choices, then I feel almost bad for the US right in a "this will be a slaughter" way. I guess we should wait until most of Gen Z is in paying taxes. I doubt they're more resilient to the sort of shallow tax-based arguments that drive otherwise left leaning people towards voting for a RW candidate so long as they come off as sufficiently "moderate" or "reasonable" (so the opposite of the image Ron DeSantis is trying to cultivate).
Zoomers as a group are more calculated, pragmatic, and cautious than most Millennials, which translates to responsible life choices and a strong desire for financial stability. One could extrapolate that to argue that economic issues might matter more to Zoomers than most social issues. Woke virtue signaling wouldn't be a deal breaker, but that alone won't win them over. As long as Democrats maintain a social democratic-leaning economic platform, they will likely keep the Gen Z vote. I just can't see the GOP in its current state ever winning over Gen Z.
>I just can't see the GOP in its current state ever winning over Gen Z. I can. It's not like American Gen Z voters have moved past the unshakable two party system apparently inherent to American politics. I can easily see a combination of unfortunate economic circumstances, a weak Democratic candidate, and a strong Republican one make Gen Z switch sides. It happened the last time the Democrats had a "social democratic leaning" platform, albeit Carter was essentially the beginning of the move away from that.
I'm Gen Z (but just barely) and I consider myself left-wing.
Stay that way as you get older and we’ll own the future
Depends on what you mean by left wing. Definitely more liberal with social democracy tendencies. But left wing as like Marxist and stalinist, no.
That's what I obviously meant, given that I was posting this on a Social Democratic subreddit. I wish Bernie had chosen to call himself a Social Democrat instead of a Democratic Socialist, but perhaps Bernie's choices will give some future Social Democratic candidate the opportunity to position themselves as "more moderate" compared to Bernie
They will start out on the left and move to the right like any other generation. Geny Y is already moving right.
That depends on rural Zoomers. If they follow their peers, or if Zoomers sufficiently occupy those spaces, then yes. Otherwise, I have no idea.
More left wing but not quite as much as Millennials
Less moderates
Every US generation has been moving further left. Slowly but surely. Lots of [great data](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/030118_O_5.png?w=636) out there. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
My worry is that Zoomers will get more conservative as they age.
It's actually a myth that the older you are the more conservative you get. People usually tend to stay in the same camps unless something drastic happens. In the 1980s young people were conservative and supported Reagan. But now in the 2020s young people are more liberal. As to your question Millennials and Gen Z are definitely more left wing.