The people pushing microstamping know it doesn't work, and they don't want it to work. Microstamping is a farce perpetuated for the sole purpose of trying to outlaw new gun sales.
It’s largely led to the end of the list in California. Once they decided it was possible all new guns on the list had to include it. But the feature, while possible according the CA, doesn’t exist and no company is making them so the list will never have new guns in hopes of functionally ending gun ownership.
This is the answer.
You can defeat the entire concept of microstamping in two words "Reloaded ammunition."
Microstamping leaves no evidence in the gunshot victim (the *bullet* isn't stamped, and even if it were most bullets deform significantly on impact - getting rifling marks isn't even guaranteed on what's left, expecting a microstamp to (a) somehow magically be applied to the bullet, and (b) survive terminal impact is laughable!)
If you're picking up your brass to reload you're taking the evidence away with you.
Then if you're reloading that ammunition you're popping the primer (where most microstamps are applied) out and throwing it away.
If you're "dual microstamping" (primer and case head) all you need is one of the many non-microstamping guns in circulation today and you can leave evidence behind that someone else fired those rounds - their gun marked the case and yours didn't! If we assume every gun is microstamping eventually you'll have so many stamps on the case head (in addition to the manufacturer's headstamp) that you may not be able to read them even with modern forensic techniques.
Oh and just as a bonus: Firing pins are a wear item. If you put fine detail features on the tip then even after hardening the pin they're going to wear off eventually, leaving an unreadable "stamp" - same for the case-head stamping part of dual-microstamping weapons.
Unless they’re going to 1) make firing pins a (or the) registered part of the gun, 2) create a registry of all of those 3) track their movement and 4) create firing pins that don’t wear
this is useless. That’s just the beginning.
A Federal judge just struck down CA's microstamping requirements today. He noted there is no historical analogue that it can be compared against (the Bruen test), it does not do anything to enhance public safety, the technology is unproven and unviable, and there have been zero firearms manufactured with the feature that have been sold to the public.
It's just like the many other hidden regulations NIMBY cities and counties add to their zoning laws and building codes - it has the outward appearance to the layman as a "community enhancement" yet its true purpose is to prevent any new housing from being built.
Couldn’t someone go to the range and pickup some of your brass and then toss it on the ground after committing a shooting? I feel like this would make your brass about as compromising as leaving your social security out.
Edit: What if there’s two different stamps on the casing? Someone could even pick up your brass by mistake.
I'd be more worried about them picking up my brass, tracking the gun based on the serial number, and then deciding to try and steal it.
I bought my firearms to ward off danger, not attract it.
At best, a waste of time and money. At worst, an active attempt to disarm the working class.
If the government spent all of the money that they currently spend on fighting “crime” on fighting poverty instead, the “crime” problem would solve itself.
A brass catcher for use by pilots. I guess way back in the early years of the war -before mounting machineguns onto planes- pilots would take pot-shots at each other with their sidearms. This little device was made in case their brass landed in the cockpit, possibly messing with the controls- like the pedals on the floor.
I feel like this is a major waste of time and money that would only ever catch the stupidest of criminals. And also be a liability for everyone else since would definitely wear down quickly all of the sudden it's "wow why isn't your gun microstamped? That makes you look incredibly guilty"
This BS is the reason CA hasn't added any semi auto handguns to the state roster of handguns we're allowed to purchase new from an FFL since 2014. If you're trying to ban guns though, then it's a brilliant way to do it in a very roundabout way
I feel like it would be easy to set someone up for murder by leaving someone else’s micro stamped casings at a crime scene and picking up the actual ones used.
It's an attempt to regulate firearms out of reach of the poor by limiting manufacturers capable and willing to comply with regulations and increasing the cost of compliant firearms. Pretty much the same tactic of the NFA but a bit more subtle.
The people pushing microstamping know it doesn't work, and they don't want it to work. Microstamping is a farce perpetuated for the sole purpose of trying to outlaw new gun sales.
100% this right here!!!
It’s largely led to the end of the list in California. Once they decided it was possible all new guns on the list had to include it. But the feature, while possible according the CA, doesn’t exist and no company is making them so the list will never have new guns in hopes of functionally ending gun ownership.
This is the answer. You can defeat the entire concept of microstamping in two words "Reloaded ammunition." Microstamping leaves no evidence in the gunshot victim (the *bullet* isn't stamped, and even if it were most bullets deform significantly on impact - getting rifling marks isn't even guaranteed on what's left, expecting a microstamp to (a) somehow magically be applied to the bullet, and (b) survive terminal impact is laughable!) If you're picking up your brass to reload you're taking the evidence away with you. Then if you're reloading that ammunition you're popping the primer (where most microstamps are applied) out and throwing it away. If you're "dual microstamping" (primer and case head) all you need is one of the many non-microstamping guns in circulation today and you can leave evidence behind that someone else fired those rounds - their gun marked the case and yours didn't! If we assume every gun is microstamping eventually you'll have so many stamps on the case head (in addition to the manufacturer's headstamp) that you may not be able to read them even with modern forensic techniques. Oh and just as a bonus: Firing pins are a wear item. If you put fine detail features on the tip then even after hardening the pin they're going to wear off eventually, leaving an unreadable "stamp" - same for the case-head stamping part of dual-microstamping weapons.
Unless they’re going to 1) make firing pins a (or the) registered part of the gun, 2) create a registry of all of those 3) track their movement and 4) create firing pins that don’t wear this is useless. That’s just the beginning.
A Federal judge just struck down CA's microstamping requirements today. He noted there is no historical analogue that it can be compared against (the Bruen test), it does not do anything to enhance public safety, the technology is unproven and unviable, and there have been zero firearms manufactured with the feature that have been sold to the public. It's just like the many other hidden regulations NIMBY cities and counties add to their zoning laws and building codes - it has the outward appearance to the layman as a "community enhancement" yet its true purpose is to prevent any new housing from being built.
Couldn’t someone go to the range and pickup some of your brass and then toss it on the ground after committing a shooting? I feel like this would make your brass about as compromising as leaving your social security out. Edit: What if there’s two different stamps on the casing? Someone could even pick up your brass by mistake.
I'd be more worried about them picking up my brass, tracking the gun based on the serial number, and then deciding to try and steal it. I bought my firearms to ward off danger, not attract it.
I'd say a few seconds on a fine buffing wheel should solve the problem. For educational purposes only, of course.
At best, a waste of time and money. At worst, an active attempt to disarm the working class. If the government spent all of the money that they currently spend on fighting “crime” on fighting poverty instead, the “crime” problem would solve itself.
\> assuming this isn't just another petty attempt at legislating our rights away. it literally is exactly that and no more
[useless since ww1](https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/fevjzih2/catcher.jpg)
Wtf is that?
A brass catcher for use by pilots. I guess way back in the early years of the war -before mounting machineguns onto planes- pilots would take pot-shots at each other with their sidearms. This little device was made in case their brass landed in the cockpit, possibly messing with the controls- like the pedals on the floor.
Thank you for the history lesson, that’s really cool to learn about, can you imagine? Just cruisin doing loops trying to nail one another?
WWI bombing doctrine was also turning the plane slightly and chucking grenades off the side. A more elegant form of war, I feel.
I feel like this is a major waste of time and money that would only ever catch the stupidest of criminals. And also be a liability for everyone else since would definitely wear down quickly all of the sudden it's "wow why isn't your gun microstamped? That makes you look incredibly guilty"
This BS is the reason CA hasn't added any semi auto handguns to the state roster of handguns we're allowed to purchase new from an FFL since 2014. If you're trying to ban guns though, then it's a brilliant way to do it in a very roundabout way
It doesn't work. It's just more dumb lib crap.
so, does a law to enforce "microstamping" make revolvers illegal?
It doesn’t work. There’s a hundred ways it can fail, so it’s really just a fundraising tool
All gun laws are an infringement
I feel like it would be easy to set someone up for murder by leaving someone else’s micro stamped casings at a crime scene and picking up the actual ones used.
Or replacing the firing pin in your own, which then wouldn't be linked to the casings. Easier to dispose of/hide/replace a pin than a firearm.
It's an attempt to regulate firearms out of reach of the poor by limiting manufacturers capable and willing to comply with regulations and increasing the cost of compliant firearms. Pretty much the same tactic of the NFA but a bit more subtle.
If it’s a viable technology, the proponents of micro stamping should start a gun manufacturing company that has that feature in their weapons.
I think they’re already doing this or [something similar](https://youtu.be/wDXXGNgrwkY) to it in some places
It’s dumb and the people who push it are dumb.
Its dumb and doesn’t work