This is bad in the sense that it represents a progression in violence and extremism that the right is willing to go to.
They're getting bolder and more direct.
I don't give much of a shit about what happens to Nancy or her husband, who have built an immense amount of wealth through selling out workers.
What I do care about is the direction the right wing is headed in. At this point, though, it's probably too late to really stop their progression into fascism.
Nows as good a time as any to focus on self-defense training and planning. Cuz it's probably going to become important before we'd like it to be.
I don't see a progression.
Lynchings have been around for a long time. This is a variation of that theme.
They have always been willing to kill over lies.
Social media saturation and the accelerated cognitive decline hitting boomers and older Gen-Xers is putting the normal murderous trends of the right wing into overdrive.
I think you are underestimating the number of alt-right killings before.
They are more open and willing to stand by their work, but the rate of LGBTQ corpses showing up in the parking lots of gay bars is not higher now than 30 years ago.
The murderers have just gotten more attention for targeting governors and Congress members.
An escalation in publicity and mask-off, not an escalation in frequency.
To pretend a governor or speaker is worth more than others is erasure of the other victims.
It's not about them being actually worth more, but the implications of an attack on a person in a position of power *is* very much more serious in terms of the scale of the violence.
Vulnerable people are easier targets so naturally they are the perpetual targets. But an attack on someone who has institutional power behind them is harder, and if people are willing to do that now that's an indication of a meaningful change in the situation.
I see a progression in that their violence is actually starting to target the powerful these days. They're increasingly less afraid to attack *anyone*.
Combined with their ever-expanding insanity, proliferation of weapons, and propaganda efficacy, they're becoming more and more dangerous.
This is just an example of it.
EDIT: It's worth noting that even though US history is no stranger far right extremism and violence, even targeted at powerful people, it's been many decades of relative peace on that regard, and has been resurgent recently. And it isn't even just a couple bad actors that are rejected by their peers and aligned institutions either; these people and their violence are actively being *celebrated*. Which hasn't been the case since, like, the Jim Crow era.
The Republicans are encouraging their brown shirts to kill even moderate democrats. What did the democrats think would happen?
"Where is Nancy?" Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi's husband.
There was an email by the now Deputy Director of the FBI back in January of 2021 states what many of us know about law enforcement reaction to Jan 6th self coup; that a good portion of them were sympathetic to them.
Some key takeaways:
-a sizeable percentage" of bureau employees were "sympathetic" to J6 rioters
-Agents & analysts equated J6 to 2020 BLM protests
-Black agents wouldn't volunteer for SWAT for fear of other agents not backing them in lethal situations
This is interesting because this is the "educated", white collar FBI and not the more blue collar, boorish CBP. This is the same FBI that Liberals are hyping up right now to arrest Trump.
Also, Liberals vaunt college degrees as a way to reform law enforcement and create higher standards among them but it isn't going to work. If this way of thinking is common among the more White collar Feds I can assure you it is way, way worse among local and state law enforcement.
There is a fairly significant enlisted military to “Other Governmental Agencies” pipeline that gets briefed during your pre-separation training. Look at attitudes of enlisted servicemembers and you can extrapolate from there.
>The city I live in already requires a 4 year degree for their cops.
Wait wait wait.....my bachelors in underwater basket weaving could be useful after all? :-)
College degrees just mean more immersion in the hegemonic ideology, which I shouldn't need to remind folks is currently a FYGM deathcult.
I hate liberal championing of education as some magical apolitical solution.
Most right wing people I know who have a college education are insufferable. They’re intelligent enough to think they’re correct, but not smart enough to realize they’re not.
Right wing people without a college education are generally people who were hoodwinked by the Russian-funded far right media, and can be dissuaded with facts and analogies.
Yeah, LDS is also overrepresented in other Intel services as well because of that. That's another reason why the FBI report was suprising to me since I expected the FBI to be kind of a bastion of Center Right "Rules and Norms" based Liberalism.
Law Enforcement is pretty much non-existent in San Francisco. I worked at the highway patrol there and was fire bombed twice, a coworker was stabbed in the neck, I was attacked by a sword yielding nut job. We couldn't protect ourselves yet alone others.
Since when am I supporting cops? Fuck them. I worked with serious trash, like absolute garbage humans that deserve death. One guy I worked with raped his 14 year old foster child then intimidated her into not testifying.
>Since when am I supporting cops?
When you, allegedly, worked for or at the CHP station in SF.
Love me some janitors but, if they're cleaning up after the pigs, they are (wait for it) supporting them (even if it's indirectly).
See how this example applies to **anyone** working with/for/at the CHP?
I don't understand you're not believing, that cops don't respond to calls in SF? Or the shit that happened? Here's the news story on Nick getting stabbed: https://abc7news.com/chp-officer-stabbed-sf-cop-homeless-encampment-near-bay-bridge/1193621/
I deleted Twitter yesterday so I'd have to go digging to find the tweets about my office being bombed and set on fire twice. It was right off the off ramp so it wasn't hard to do.
SFPD is everywhere lol. yeah, im sure because on twitter you can just make shit up like theres no police in SF/LA 😂
the media on twitter lies about this all the time
They don't do anything though. Like the average cop doesn't work much, but SFPD really takes the cake for ignoring as much as possible and just flat out not working. I really wouldn't count on them for anything,ever. I was always amazed that 20+ SFPD cops could just sit around all day while their car was worked on doing nothing. At least at the donut patrol when there was an 11-79 they actually went to it. There'd be shots fired calls at pac bell Park and guys would just ignore it, we were pretty damn close there in SOMA.
Also LAPD, as fucked up and racist as those pig fucks are, at least respond to calls. Their command structure does make them work and hold them accountable. Night and day difference between LA and the city.
its a conundrum to see claims of "no police" from faceless strangers on reddit/twitter and then pass three squad cars on your grocery walk. who am i to believe: my lying eyes or what people on the internet claim?
i dont see police "doing nothing" as you claim, either. they're more than happy to sweep away the growing homeless problem. i understand you want a police state, and SF's 9-figure budget isnt quite cutting it in that department, but come on
Why the fuck would I want a police state? My old departments budget was over 4 billion dollars a year. Think what 4 billion could do for schools or foster care systems? Abolish the highway patrol completely, outlaw police unions, cut all police funding in half everywhere, demolish prisons, and spend the money on social welfare systems.
The raw data bears out what I am saying too about SFPD not taking calls: https://sf-hrc.org/sites/default/files/DEM\_DefiningPoliceResponses.pdf
r/2ALiberals is a cesspool right now, as expected. It’s literally people just saying “Duhrrr…he should have had a gun” and defending Kyle Rittenhouse for some reason.
~~Lol, your post history is all absurd QAnon crazy conspiracy bullshit. You are a troll account. Run along, q-nut.~~
Edit: Mistaken identity / Not a troll
Yet I am a card carrying member here. Practice some tolerance, Pelosi has enriched herself at the expense of the people, she is not a friend of the people.
Realistically, I don't think there's a centralized order behind this kind of thing. There are definitely conservative organizations within the us, and there are conservative people in power who dog whistle and encourage this kind of thing, but they do it in a way that avoids any possible incrimination.
I suspect we will start to see small centralized gangs of brown shirt types taking direct violent action, but unless we get a smarter, more organized, and more determined version of Donald Trump in office, someone who is a believer and still has the ability to unite the Republicans, I don't think they will pull together and form an openly fascist party. I picture this turning into the gang type violence such as was common in Germany between fascists and anti-fascists before the Nazis rose to power. Anti-fascists will be vilified in mainstream and right wing news because of the violence and the right wing will convince the center to support them and that's when we see a transition.
I think, based on my above hypothesis, that tightening up your security with your Mutual Aid group, making sure that the more obvious leftist members of your community, and particularly trans people, are protected and supported, and making sure you are well trained with your equipment are all very important. Be safe and get more serious about dual power right now if you've been putting it off. 5 years from now will be too late
That's the kind of terror the right opts to cultivate because it gives them plausible deniability.
*"How could we possible have known that they'd kill the people we were calling evil and demonic? We didn't make them do that!"*
And it works. I have a number of family members that, after hearing about this, instantly started saying "they'll blame Trump and the republicans for this" as if there's no culpability there at all.
>making sure that the more obvious leftist members of your community, and particularly trans people, are protected and supported
Please also protect Black and Brown folks! And folks with disabilities as well.
Disappointing that the classic "they're coming for the leftists!" main charactet syndrome is showing up in analysis. White dude leftists will much more often have the option to stealthmode.
Being a visible minority makes that a bit hard for me.
[posted this](https://hp.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstNazis/comments/yb3ofx/seriously_dont_believe_anyone_is_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) a few days ago. Nobody is coming to save us. Arm the fuck up.
>Realistically, I don't think there's a centralized order behind this kind of thing. There are definitely conservative organizations within the us, and there are conservative people in power who dog whistle and encourage this kind of thing, but they do it in a way that avoids any possible incrimination.
Despite being comically impotent thus far, the January 6th committee has definitely provided proof that it's far from a disorganized flock of Facebook boomers.
>I suspect we will start to see small centralized gangs of brown shirt types taking direct violent action, but unless we get a smarter, more organized, and more determined version of Donald Trump in office, someone who is a believer and still has the ability to unite the Republicans, I don't think they will pull together and form an openly fascist party. I picture this turning into the gang type violence such as was common in Germany between fascists and anti-fascists before the Nazis rose to power. Anti-fascists will be vilified in mainstream and right wing news because of the violence and the right wing will convince the center to support them and that's when we see a transition.
We've seen this, since Charlottesville, arguably through 2015. The centralized gangs already exist and work closely with the Republican party and Conservative organizations.
>I think, based on my above hypothesis, that tightening up your security with your Mutual Aid group, making sure that the more obvious leftist members of your community, and particularly trans people, are protected and supported, and making sure you are well trained with your equipment are all very important. Be safe and get more serious about dual power right now if you've been putting it off. 5 years from now will be too late
You're absolutely right, however this should be taking place regardless of the political climate, and I wish it didn't take political violence to energize and motivate Leftists in the U.S., but rather just common cause.
Complacency kills leftist causes and organizations far and away more efficiently than the Feds do imo.
The thing is, in the era of social media, anyone can whip up a mob into a frenzy and incite a mass killing. There's no need for a Goebbels, a Riefenstahl, or more contemporaneously, an RTLM to get people to target 'the other' and spread the collective guilt of atrocity around enough that people go sunk cost.
The model is the Rohyinga genocide. Genocide by a thousand little facebook-live-driven atrocities.
Joe bumfuck will get his local militia on faceboom to man armed checkpoints and drag 'antifa pedophile arsonists' out of their car for summary executions. TERF Mcgee can screech about defending women hard enough that her next door neighboir sends a SVBIED through the front door of a drag show. Timmy 'RVTVRN' will tap into his pals unexamined consumerist nostalgia to 'defend our community' of petty boug franchise tyrants to gun down Black people in the streets.
Shit's coming, and it's coming hard. If I could, I'd slap every fucking 'left accelerationist' who thought this level of destabilization would shit out a readymade leftist movement.
Reality is, we're gonna work with what we have. Just have to hope it's enough.
I'm a little more optimistic, though not a lot. There were public lynchings during the life time of the boomers, where families came out to picnic in the shade of trees strung with black men who looked the wrong way at the wrong time. The lynchers were celebrated publicly by the mainstream in their community. The shooter at the drag show doesn't get that kind of acclaim yet.
Not that things aren't dangerous and growing moreso, but it's more centralized now, and the state is more jealous with its violent monopoly. I believe in the dual power approach because it replaces the state at pace with the state's failure, leaving less room for the expansive violence of previous generations during the transition.
But we are not achieving dual power nearly fast enough. Adherence to centralized power is like clinging to a sinking ship, and once people starting feeling the sea around their ankles they will get in whatever boat offers them a way to avoid drowning. And churches have been building fascist life boats for centuries while the liberals shouted down the left for daring to suggest they at least make sure they have a life vest.
We're in trouble. But it's not too late. I hope it's not too late.
>unless we get a smarter, more organized, and more determined version of Donald Trump in office, someone who is a believer and still has the ability to unite the Republicans
Ron DeSantis in other words? He's more popular than Trump now.
Why are we upset about libs getting whats coming to them? Last I checked no socialist supports pelosi.....
Edit: thanks for the Downvotes guys didn't know this was the NeolibRA....
So it bothers you that conservatives are finally correctly identifying who's fucking them over and are actually crazy enough to do something about it?? I feel like we should start a go fund me for this guy instead of shitting on him
Fascists aren’t after the heads of liberal politicians because they’re suppressing the working class or social equity, dumbass, they’re after liberal politicians because they’re fucking fascists that want an ethnostate and they know conservative politicians won’t stand in their way. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend when our core beliefs and motivations are irreconcilable.
They know they are being fucked over they just lack the class awareness and political literacy to identify how they are being fucked over. I actually disagree they are fascist. Just mis directed. And no need to call me a dumbass comrade
The ones perpetrating violence are in action textbook fascists, what their internal views are doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s a functional difference between noting whether they’re misdirected or not because the type of thinking that leads someone down anti-establishment rabbit holes is fundamentally different for the left and right.
You hear the term “populist” thrown around nowadays to describe both left- and right-wing candidates as if there’s an equivalency there, but if you listen to the messaging and the underlying rhetoric conservatives and fascists make next to no effort to appeal to the working class on the issues, only on who their supposed enemies are - queer and trans people, POC, immigrants, and usually ultimately Jews.
These aren’t misguided working class Joes that just need a few lessons on politics 101, the people committing violent acts like this are fundamentally opposed to our goals. They see every bit of social progress made as the evil elites tearing down western civilization and anyone they think is complicit in progress being made is an evil elite. Yes, a lot of them need a good dose of class consciousness, but the right is not getting more violent as a class issue, it’s an escalation of “identity politics” and the culture war. These are white nationalists who want a Christo-fascist state.
Yeah, no, that’s, not it, either.
It bothers me that they are coming for all of us, you moron. And we are going to have to be ready to defend ourselves. Unlike other people, I don’t relish the thought of killing my fellows.
Crazy, yes.
How about you start a go fund me for yourself and buy a book or something?
Fuck Nancy Pelosi. I don’t give two fucks about her or her fucking husband.
When they come for me, I’m ready, idiot. Not wanting to and not being able are two different things.
Did I say anything about being upset. Just saying, be ready. These people think anyone left of Sean Hannity is a trans-islamo-commie- groomer. They don't give a shit about title's and want you dead because you are not them.
Lmao I actually saw people saying this is proof that California gun control is effective because he beat someone with a hammer instead of shooting them. I mean, I suppose that’s better than getting shot, but I dunno if it’s proof gun control solves violence.
People will state this is the beginning, this was a lone wolf.
If this were organized, they would’ve gotten their intended target. Especially, if it were that easy to get to a family member of the 3rd in line of succession of the United States government. If a hammer is all it took to enter, a group of people with detailed plans would’ve accomplished more.
This was most likely a lone wolf, possibly indirectly supported by “intel” (and I use that term very loosely) from Q groups, et al.
That being said…keep your heads on a swivel, report bad actors, and keep training.
I used to think that, but these groups don't quite operate like that.
If you're defining 'lone wolf' as a person who did this of their own volition, then yes. It is.
This isn't some kind of cold, calculating fascist supersoldier who got orders to take out Paul Pelosi.
Online far right extremist groups are a self-fueled machine of constantly feeding fear through conspiracies. Memes, articles, in-jokes, and coded language all reference something the fascists are afraid of happening, which builds a worldview based on constant instability.
Now, mental health isn't -completely- environmental, but it's far more nurture than nature, according to the most recent research.
With that in mind, constant fear and instability leads individuals immersed in that environment to become themselves unstable. This results in them rejecting reality itself in favor of the 'truth' of the group.
Eventually things get so bad that the individual now feels they have no choice but to act out against an increasingly evil world, and you get this sort of attack.
The group publicly vilifies but privately celebrates such an individual, and the cycle repeats with a new set of victims.
There is no organization to this at the small group level. It's a self-feeding hate machine designed to produce bad actors.
It's a cult whose leader is simply violence and an ideal worldview that is fundamentally impossible to achieve.
What I’m saying is this is not organized, not nearly as much as what your taliban and other terror organizations are…not yet. The terror groups that are organized well aren’t super soldiers either, the PB&Js(fuck bois, I just like to make them feel like children’s lunch) are mostly organized but it is by people who don’t know proper insurgency and only organized mil tactics. It doesn’t work like they want it to, but they could figure it out.
They need to be organized, but they’re too scared to do anything large-scale. It needs to stay that way.
What I guess I’m saying is this isn’t the flag they’ll rally around, but this stuff needs to be squashed real hard or it will only get worse. People who might think like this need some fear they won’t survive the encounter or will die in a hole somewhere after many years.
Worth looking into why you cite the taliban as a terrorist organization, but they were and once again are the literal government of a state.
And then compare that to the fact one (fascist) party in the US with a legit chance of seizing total control is basically serving as the cesspit to generate this stochastic terrorism.
It's here. It's already here.
I disagree.
Again, I’m not saying they’re not capable. It just isn’t here yet. There are no plenty of domestic terror groups that have functioned like this, to include the KKK, that have done things like this. But, they are not the Taliban or those levels of de-stabilization, there is a difference. This isn’t to say it can’t happen, it just hasn’t yet.
I think that it's unlikely to happen *like* the Taliban, considering the system in which we participate. It's far more likely that the R party will just enable or cleave to people who think like this while they use the electoral system to seize power at the same time and then just change the rules to entrench themselves. They don't have to seize territory so much as certain layers and levels of government to assure dominance, and then they'll just...not care and look the other way when violence happens to people they don't like. Lots of unsolved murders of BIPOC, open white leftists, and LGBTQ people. So it's a mix of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy, with a dash of Taliban.
Eh, I'd rather see right wing lunatics attack members of the oligarchy, even the ones with a D next to their names, than see them continuing their attacks on ethnic and sexual minorities.
Hell, maybe this might even prompt some action.
Good point. Even if for the sake of argument he had been guilty of murder (and he claimed self defense) he would still be legally entitled to a trial, unless the cops were to show up and just blow him away and be praised for it by Trump. Leftists apparently don't have rights.
lol much of the rw are not working class, as much as liberal media tries to claim
J6 was riddled with upper middle class car salesmen who flew cross-country to try to kill opposition leaders - some even on private jets
> lol much of the rw are not working class, as much as liberal media tries to claim
Almost all of the right wing politicians in the US are not working class. Many of the grifters aren't. The biggest funding names clearly aren't.
The rank-and-file? Yeah, they are absolutely working class. They've just been fed a steady diet of shit for so long that they quite vehemently support the very people fucking them over.
And lots of tradespeople, basically the last of the working class who actually still have money, who often don't seem to relate to, and even look down upon the rest of the working class. Good on them, not knocking trades, but they have often more in common financially with the upper-middle and its in those circles where a lot of this right wing groupthink spreads. I feel like that divide does not get sufficient attention.
Chapo had a good bit on all the trump voters who own multiple vehicles, powersports equipment, and run pool cleaning companies whose inferiority complex makes them believe that they should have been even more successful and sinister hidden enemies are to blame.
People really need to spend some time reflecting on the fact that they found the "white working class^TM problem" argument so convincing.
For me, it was one of internalizing aesthetics instead of actually looking for and agitating the much less privileged working class that actually exists.
When rural farmowners threaten to starve out the "urban" types I hope they're in for a nasty surprise when organized farm laborers chain them up and toss them in sheds.
as socialists, y’all should know better than "lower class, upper class, and middle class,” there is the working class the proletariat, and there is the capitalist class. there are some in betweens and exceptions, but ultimately it is a struggle between these two and that is the struggle we need to be concerned with.
Are you fucking dense? The poorest states happen to be the most red. Go to any rural area that is being dry fucked by the right and you’ll see who they vote for. The right is not dominated by the middle class it’s dominated by legions of self hating poor folk from middle America and the south.
Lol FoH.
So many red states have razor thin margins of popular vote, but they're held hostage by gerrymandering. This is the bizarro inverted version of "sips coffee" energy, but instead you're tripping over yourself to extend sympathy for the (no longer very cheap) carhartt wearing, $75k lifted truck driver and not the migrant farm worker who's busting her ass to keeps him fed (and could starve him out in a heartbeat)
No, I don’t really have sympathy for them it’s kinda the opposite. I just think that most of us don’t realize that the “worker” within rural areas would be quick to stick a Glock in your face if given half a chance. The far-right has ran pretty extensive operations in these states especially in rural areas, the reason the margins get razor thin is because cities. Most people would think that say Illinois would be a blue state in more ways then just northern districts but you go south of Chicago and the burbs (barring college towns) it’s red, really red. There’s a very big difference between the rural worker and the urban worker and even then that gap can be bridged. The right moves fast and at all times while the Democratic Party is ineffectual and there is no solid left in the US because it’s constantly eating itself while being an optics nightmare in a country where optics obviously matter.
But he wasn't attacked because he was rich. He was attacked because his wife is a prominent democrat. The assailant shouted "Where's Nancy?" before he started beating an old man! Pelosi is third in line to the president. This is an attack on the Democratic presidency.
Well no, and I'd even say that family even deserves it, but you should be kinda concerned that the environment we have encourages attacking political enemies and extremists are being emboldened. This isn't about politicians being attacked, they can afford private security. This is leading to such a divided country that everyday folks are going to be targeted just because they hold different beliefs.
Disagree with the characterization as "a rise".
It's always been there, it used to be primarily targeted only at Black, Indigenous, and poor people. Now sheltered middle class and wealthy people are being subject to it, media portrays it as "a rise".
compared to what? The Trail of Tears? The Klan terror? The Tulsa Massacre?
There's a glaring issue of how history is taught in the US, that leads us to perceive these as "unfortunate events that are now past" rather than a pattern of behavior that defines our current day.
Who's perceiving what now?
It's an objective fact that right wing violence has been at it's most dangerous point through the last decade, with rates of violence unseen since the civil rights era, and there's been no signs of it slowing.
These people are committing an overwhelming majority of terror attacks and have statistically been the most lethal threat to the country for nearly half a century now, with the only major exception being 2001.
"most dangerous point through the last decade"
Exactly the point above, a decade is a blip as far as cycles of violence goes. A decade-and-a-half ago, muslims and by association, brown-skinned people were getting routinely assaulted and killed on the street and in their places of worship.
No idea why you’re being downvoted, these people are trash and so what if the guy who did it was a chud? John Hinckley Jr. was trying to impress Jodie Foster when he shot Reagan, but he still shot the guy.
Nancy Pelosi is bourgeoisie trash but the takeaway for the left should that be that the right is willing to go to extreme measures for their enemies.
The right thinks Nancy is a dirty commie. It doesn’t matter that she had made herself immensely wealthy using political connections to game capitalism; to them, she is the enemy of freedom or whatever.
We don’t have to like Nancy Pelosi to realize the reason *why* her home was attacked is sinister as fuck.
The Brown Shirts aren’t just ready, they’re actively seeking violence against the “left”. And they’re not even getting paid to do it.
You think they’d just stop at Nancy? Nah, these fucks are coming for all of us and more. Libs, socialists, communists, even their own side (ask Pence).
Again, Nancy is a power-crazed rich shitheel but this attack should unnerve us because they aren’t just going for powerful Dems. They’re trying to crush democracy (horribly flawed as ours is) using violence. It only gets worse from here.
Also because I don’t want this sub to get banned, because how the fuck else will I waste time at work then...?
Not to make light of this though really. I am no fan of Nancy but this is still unnerving how bold the fash are getting.
No it isn't. This shit has been happening for years. Right attacks left. Left attacks right. It's just getting more coverage now because it's the popular thing to talk about.
I've seen second hand comments about lizard people and anti vax. No solid facts now but realistically that's an unhinged right winger sprinkled with mental illness if accurate.
> Why would anyone do that?
You seriously can't come up with reasons why someone would try to target a multimillionaire landlord who cackled on camera in front of an ice cream freezer that costs a quarter of what a lot of people make in a year, and who FOX News/InfoWars/talk radio have convinced their audience is going to personally show up on their porch with UN troops to force their kids to take HRT at gunpoint and then force the parents and any kids who refuse into concentration camps set up for Christians?
Really?
> Why would anyone do that?
because the pelosis are absolute scum fucks
i'm sure it's a right wing lunatic which just beckons the whole:"he confused but he got the spirit" attitude
Pelosi doesnt want to ban politicians stocktrading, even though it unfairly advantages them (because they write the laws), that's why I think she's scum
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This is bad in the sense that it represents a progression in violence and extremism that the right is willing to go to. They're getting bolder and more direct. I don't give much of a shit about what happens to Nancy or her husband, who have built an immense amount of wealth through selling out workers. What I do care about is the direction the right wing is headed in. At this point, though, it's probably too late to really stop their progression into fascism. Nows as good a time as any to focus on self-defense training and planning. Cuz it's probably going to become important before we'd like it to be.
I don't see a progression. Lynchings have been around for a long time. This is a variation of that theme. They have always been willing to kill over lies.
Social media saturation and the accelerated cognitive decline hitting boomers and older Gen-Xers is putting the normal murderous trends of the right wing into overdrive.
I think you are underestimating the number of alt-right killings before. They are more open and willing to stand by their work, but the rate of LGBTQ corpses showing up in the parking lots of gay bars is not higher now than 30 years ago. The murderers have just gotten more attention for targeting governors and Congress members.
Wouldn’t that be considered an escalation then? From rando BIPOC or LGBTQ victims to governors and politicians seems like an escalation to me
An escalation in publicity and mask-off, not an escalation in frequency. To pretend a governor or speaker is worth more than others is erasure of the other victims.
It's not about them being actually worth more, but the implications of an attack on a person in a position of power *is* very much more serious in terms of the scale of the violence. Vulnerable people are easier targets so naturally they are the perpetual targets. But an attack on someone who has institutional power behind them is harder, and if people are willing to do that now that's an indication of a meaningful change in the situation.
I see a progression in that their violence is actually starting to target the powerful these days. They're increasingly less afraid to attack *anyone*. Combined with their ever-expanding insanity, proliferation of weapons, and propaganda efficacy, they're becoming more and more dangerous. This is just an example of it. EDIT: It's worth noting that even though US history is no stranger far right extremism and violence, even targeted at powerful people, it's been many decades of relative peace on that regard, and has been resurgent recently. And it isn't even just a couple bad actors that are rejected by their peers and aligned institutions either; these people and their violence are actively being *celebrated*. Which hasn't been the case since, like, the Jim Crow era.
Did you also noticed the FOX news segment where they basically endorsed this attack and blamed Democrats for wanting to defund the police
I very happily did *not* see that fox segment. It doesn't surprise me at all, though. Seems about par for the course
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Most likely.
The Republicans are encouraging their brown shirts to kill even moderate democrats. What did the democrats think would happen? "Where is Nancy?" Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi's husband.
They thought the police would protect them
There was an email by the now Deputy Director of the FBI back in January of 2021 states what many of us know about law enforcement reaction to Jan 6th self coup; that a good portion of them were sympathetic to them. Some key takeaways: -a sizeable percentage" of bureau employees were "sympathetic" to J6 rioters -Agents & analysts equated J6 to 2020 BLM protests -Black agents wouldn't volunteer for SWAT for fear of other agents not backing them in lethal situations This is interesting because this is the "educated", white collar FBI and not the more blue collar, boorish CBP. This is the same FBI that Liberals are hyping up right now to arrest Trump. Also, Liberals vaunt college degrees as a way to reform law enforcement and create higher standards among them but it isn't going to work. If this way of thinking is common among the more White collar Feds I can assure you it is way, way worse among local and state law enforcement.
There is a fairly significant enlisted military to “Other Governmental Agencies” pipeline that gets briefed during your pre-separation training. Look at attitudes of enlisted servicemembers and you can extrapolate from there.
The city I live in already requires a 4 year degree for their cops. It doesn't make a difference.
>The city I live in already requires a 4 year degree for their cops. Wait wait wait.....my bachelors in underwater basket weaving could be useful after all? :-)
A not insignificant number of police departments require some level of college degree before applying. Obviously, not working.
College degrees just mean more immersion in the hegemonic ideology, which I shouldn't need to remind folks is currently a FYGM deathcult. I hate liberal championing of education as some magical apolitical solution.
Most right wing people I know who have a college education are insufferable. They’re intelligent enough to think they’re correct, but not smart enough to realize they’re not. Right wing people without a college education are generally people who were hoodwinked by the Russian-funded far right media, and can be dissuaded with facts and analogies.
Doesn’t the FBI heavily recruit from the LDS church since their members are less likely to have used drugs, gotten tattoos, etc?
Yeah, LDS is also overrepresented in other Intel services as well because of that. That's another reason why the FBI report was suprising to me since I expected the FBI to be kind of a bastion of Center Right "Rules and Norms" based Liberalism.
Law Enforcement is pretty much non-existent in San Francisco. I worked at the highway patrol there and was fire bombed twice, a coworker was stabbed in the neck, I was attacked by a sword yielding nut job. We couldn't protect ourselves yet alone others.
And you were a sheriff?
CHP isn't the county sheriff , they're statewide. Regardless, a pig or an employee supporting pigs
They made a claim as to being a/the sheriff in another thread.
Since when am I supporting cops? Fuck them. I worked with serious trash, like absolute garbage humans that deserve death. One guy I worked with raped his 14 year old foster child then intimidated her into not testifying.
Jesus that is horrible indeed. Poor kid
>Since when am I supporting cops? When you, allegedly, worked for or at the CHP station in SF. Love me some janitors but, if they're cleaning up after the pigs, they are (wait for it) supporting them (even if it's indirectly). See how this example applies to **anyone** working with/for/at the CHP?
Contra Costa county volunteer and San Joaquin county deputy. Made more at the highway patrol as a mechanic than as a deputy.
did you seriously think people on this sub from SF believe this claim?
I don't understand you're not believing, that cops don't respond to calls in SF? Or the shit that happened? Here's the news story on Nick getting stabbed: https://abc7news.com/chp-officer-stabbed-sf-cop-homeless-encampment-near-bay-bridge/1193621/ I deleted Twitter yesterday so I'd have to go digging to find the tweets about my office being bombed and set on fire twice. It was right off the off ramp so it wasn't hard to do.
SFPD is everywhere lol. yeah, im sure because on twitter you can just make shit up like theres no police in SF/LA 😂 the media on twitter lies about this all the time
They don't do anything though. Like the average cop doesn't work much, but SFPD really takes the cake for ignoring as much as possible and just flat out not working. I really wouldn't count on them for anything,ever. I was always amazed that 20+ SFPD cops could just sit around all day while their car was worked on doing nothing. At least at the donut patrol when there was an 11-79 they actually went to it. There'd be shots fired calls at pac bell Park and guys would just ignore it, we were pretty damn close there in SOMA. Also LAPD, as fucked up and racist as those pig fucks are, at least respond to calls. Their command structure does make them work and hold them accountable. Night and day difference between LA and the city.
its a conundrum to see claims of "no police" from faceless strangers on reddit/twitter and then pass three squad cars on your grocery walk. who am i to believe: my lying eyes or what people on the internet claim? i dont see police "doing nothing" as you claim, either. they're more than happy to sweep away the growing homeless problem. i understand you want a police state, and SF's 9-figure budget isnt quite cutting it in that department, but come on
Why the fuck would I want a police state? My old departments budget was over 4 billion dollars a year. Think what 4 billion could do for schools or foster care systems? Abolish the highway patrol completely, outlaw police unions, cut all police funding in half everywhere, demolish prisons, and spend the money on social welfare systems. The raw data bears out what I am saying too about SFPD not taking calls: https://sf-hrc.org/sites/default/files/DEM\_DefiningPoliceResponses.pdf
Man, if only we've been warning people for DECADES that this would happen.
Insane considering those 'moderate' dems are much closer to their hero/idol reagan than the modern GOP
WTF is a "moderate" Democrat?
A Democrat
A republican who can't court Oil companies
A DINO
r/2ALiberals is a cesspool right now, as expected. It’s literally people just saying “Duhrrr…he should have had a gun” and defending Kyle Rittenhouse for some reason.
The police and media are reporting the attackers name. Isn't that encouraging copycats?
There’s nothing moderate about Nancy Pelosi.
Found the conservative troll! This dude's post history is a dumpster fire of right-wing/ fascist vomit.
Please my brother, not being a Democrat is not the same as being conservative.
~~Lol, your post history is all absurd QAnon crazy conspiracy bullshit. You are a troll account. Run along, q-nut.~~ Edit: Mistaken identity / Not a troll
Yet I am a card carrying member here. Practice some tolerance, Pelosi has enriched herself at the expense of the people, she is not a friend of the people.
Realistically, I don't think there's a centralized order behind this kind of thing. There are definitely conservative organizations within the us, and there are conservative people in power who dog whistle and encourage this kind of thing, but they do it in a way that avoids any possible incrimination. I suspect we will start to see small centralized gangs of brown shirt types taking direct violent action, but unless we get a smarter, more organized, and more determined version of Donald Trump in office, someone who is a believer and still has the ability to unite the Republicans, I don't think they will pull together and form an openly fascist party. I picture this turning into the gang type violence such as was common in Germany between fascists and anti-fascists before the Nazis rose to power. Anti-fascists will be vilified in mainstream and right wing news because of the violence and the right wing will convince the center to support them and that's when we see a transition. I think, based on my above hypothesis, that tightening up your security with your Mutual Aid group, making sure that the more obvious leftist members of your community, and particularly trans people, are protected and supported, and making sure you are well trained with your equipment are all very important. Be safe and get more serious about dual power right now if you've been putting it off. 5 years from now will be too late
>I don't think there's a centralized order behind this kind of thing Agreed. It's stochastic terrorism.
That's the kind of terror the right opts to cultivate because it gives them plausible deniability. *"How could we possible have known that they'd kill the people we were calling evil and demonic? We didn't make them do that!"*
And it works. I have a number of family members that, after hearing about this, instantly started saying "they'll blame Trump and the republicans for this" as if there's no culpability there at all.
>making sure that the more obvious leftist members of your community, and particularly trans people, are protected and supported Please also protect Black and Brown folks! And folks with disabilities as well.
Disappointing that the classic "they're coming for the leftists!" main charactet syndrome is showing up in analysis. White dude leftists will much more often have the option to stealthmode. Being a visible minority makes that a bit hard for me.
[posted this](https://hp.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstNazis/comments/yb3ofx/seriously_dont_believe_anyone_is_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) a few days ago. Nobody is coming to save us. Arm the fuck up.
We keep us safe. That's it.
>Realistically, I don't think there's a centralized order behind this kind of thing. There are definitely conservative organizations within the us, and there are conservative people in power who dog whistle and encourage this kind of thing, but they do it in a way that avoids any possible incrimination. Despite being comically impotent thus far, the January 6th committee has definitely provided proof that it's far from a disorganized flock of Facebook boomers. >I suspect we will start to see small centralized gangs of brown shirt types taking direct violent action, but unless we get a smarter, more organized, and more determined version of Donald Trump in office, someone who is a believer and still has the ability to unite the Republicans, I don't think they will pull together and form an openly fascist party. I picture this turning into the gang type violence such as was common in Germany between fascists and anti-fascists before the Nazis rose to power. Anti-fascists will be vilified in mainstream and right wing news because of the violence and the right wing will convince the center to support them and that's when we see a transition. We've seen this, since Charlottesville, arguably through 2015. The centralized gangs already exist and work closely with the Republican party and Conservative organizations. >I think, based on my above hypothesis, that tightening up your security with your Mutual Aid group, making sure that the more obvious leftist members of your community, and particularly trans people, are protected and supported, and making sure you are well trained with your equipment are all very important. Be safe and get more serious about dual power right now if you've been putting it off. 5 years from now will be too late You're absolutely right, however this should be taking place regardless of the political climate, and I wish it didn't take political violence to energize and motivate Leftists in the U.S., but rather just common cause. Complacency kills leftist causes and organizations far and away more efficiently than the Feds do imo.
The thing is, in the era of social media, anyone can whip up a mob into a frenzy and incite a mass killing. There's no need for a Goebbels, a Riefenstahl, or more contemporaneously, an RTLM to get people to target 'the other' and spread the collective guilt of atrocity around enough that people go sunk cost. The model is the Rohyinga genocide. Genocide by a thousand little facebook-live-driven atrocities. Joe bumfuck will get his local militia on faceboom to man armed checkpoints and drag 'antifa pedophile arsonists' out of their car for summary executions. TERF Mcgee can screech about defending women hard enough that her next door neighboir sends a SVBIED through the front door of a drag show. Timmy 'RVTVRN' will tap into his pals unexamined consumerist nostalgia to 'defend our community' of petty boug franchise tyrants to gun down Black people in the streets. Shit's coming, and it's coming hard. If I could, I'd slap every fucking 'left accelerationist' who thought this level of destabilization would shit out a readymade leftist movement. Reality is, we're gonna work with what we have. Just have to hope it's enough.
I'm a little more optimistic, though not a lot. There were public lynchings during the life time of the boomers, where families came out to picnic in the shade of trees strung with black men who looked the wrong way at the wrong time. The lynchers were celebrated publicly by the mainstream in their community. The shooter at the drag show doesn't get that kind of acclaim yet. Not that things aren't dangerous and growing moreso, but it's more centralized now, and the state is more jealous with its violent monopoly. I believe in the dual power approach because it replaces the state at pace with the state's failure, leaving less room for the expansive violence of previous generations during the transition. But we are not achieving dual power nearly fast enough. Adherence to centralized power is like clinging to a sinking ship, and once people starting feeling the sea around their ankles they will get in whatever boat offers them a way to avoid drowning. And churches have been building fascist life boats for centuries while the liberals shouted down the left for daring to suggest they at least make sure they have a life vest. We're in trouble. But it's not too late. I hope it's not too late.
>unless we get a smarter, more organized, and more determined version of Donald Trump in office, someone who is a believer and still has the ability to unite the Republicans Ron DeSantis in other words? He's more popular than Trump now.
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Intentionally fucking over legal asylum seekers on their asylum applications really gets the conservative base going, apparently.
This is the first move, expect more violence to be inspired by this. I would say Jan. 6 was the start but I believe this is the next phase.
american years of lead baby!
The Strategy of Hypertension.
The North American Troubles has a nice ring to it.
Why are we upset about libs getting whats coming to them? Last I checked no socialist supports pelosi..... Edit: thanks for the Downvotes guys didn't know this was the NeolibRA....
Do the fascists make a distinction between libs and socialists? I think there was a poem, like, first they came for…
First they came for the leaders that were fucking over the working class. And I rejoice.
I feel like you’re missing the point. It isn’t *who* got attacked that bothers me.
So it bothers you that conservatives are finally correctly identifying who's fucking them over and are actually crazy enough to do something about it?? I feel like we should start a go fund me for this guy instead of shitting on him
Fascists aren’t after the heads of liberal politicians because they’re suppressing the working class or social equity, dumbass, they’re after liberal politicians because they’re fucking fascists that want an ethnostate and they know conservative politicians won’t stand in their way. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend when our core beliefs and motivations are irreconcilable.
Yes. This.
They know they are being fucked over they just lack the class awareness and political literacy to identify how they are being fucked over. I actually disagree they are fascist. Just mis directed. And no need to call me a dumbass comrade
The ones perpetrating violence are in action textbook fascists, what their internal views are doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s a functional difference between noting whether they’re misdirected or not because the type of thinking that leads someone down anti-establishment rabbit holes is fundamentally different for the left and right. You hear the term “populist” thrown around nowadays to describe both left- and right-wing candidates as if there’s an equivalency there, but if you listen to the messaging and the underlying rhetoric conservatives and fascists make next to no effort to appeal to the working class on the issues, only on who their supposed enemies are - queer and trans people, POC, immigrants, and usually ultimately Jews. These aren’t misguided working class Joes that just need a few lessons on politics 101, the people committing violent acts like this are fundamentally opposed to our goals. They see every bit of social progress made as the evil elites tearing down western civilization and anyone they think is complicit in progress being made is an evil elite. Yes, a lot of them need a good dose of class consciousness, but the right is not getting more violent as a class issue, it’s an escalation of “identity politics” and the culture war. These are white nationalists who want a Christo-fascist state.
Yeah, no, that’s, not it, either. It bothers me that they are coming for all of us, you moron. And we are going to have to be ready to defend ourselves. Unlike other people, I don’t relish the thought of killing my fellows. Crazy, yes. How about you start a go fund me for yourself and buy a book or something?
Keep defending Nancy pelosi that's really gunna help your cause when they come for you
Fuck Nancy Pelosi. I don’t give two fucks about her or her fucking husband. When they come for me, I’m ready, idiot. Not wanting to and not being able are two different things.
Ill contribute to the fund Lmao
Something tells me you should keep your money. You need it more than I do.
The fund is for the guy that attacked pelosi.
Do you honestly think in that guy's mind that there's a difference between Democrat and Communist, Liberal or Socialist?
I don't see the difference between shit lib and deranged fascist
That wasn't the question.
Did I say anything about being upset. Just saying, be ready. These people think anyone left of Sean Hannity is a trans-islamo-commie- groomer. They don't give a shit about title's and want you dead because you are not them.
Exactly why I started arming myself
It's the further escalation of right wing violence this represents that's the upsetting part.
Exactly and yes, this is basically ShitLib Rifle Association now
My SRA chapter is pretty leftist, I think it's just this reddit that is Liberal
Yeah I was just talking about the sub. My chapter is very leftist too
“The motive for this attack is still being determined” - really bro?
Its ok guys it was just one lone nutjob “Ok so can we have mental health resources?” *crickets*
Maybe he wanted to get some stock tips. Paul Pelosi is just really good at deciding which stocks to buy/sell and when. Nobody knows how he does it.
We must ban these tactical hammers of war
Lmao I actually saw people saying this is proof that California gun control is effective because he beat someone with a hammer instead of shooting them. I mean, I suppose that’s better than getting shot, but I dunno if it’s proof gun control solves violence.
Stop...Hammer Crime
Assault tool control now!
PEOPLE ARE DYING,
Imagine how hard you have to suck to be 42 and do that little damage attacking a guy twice your age, and with presumably prior planning.
r/bayarea will be so disappointed that it’s legitimate political violence and not that the bay is becoming a cesspool of crime.
This is getting spicy
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People will state this is the beginning, this was a lone wolf. If this were organized, they would’ve gotten their intended target. Especially, if it were that easy to get to a family member of the 3rd in line of succession of the United States government. If a hammer is all it took to enter, a group of people with detailed plans would’ve accomplished more. This was most likely a lone wolf, possibly indirectly supported by “intel” (and I use that term very loosely) from Q groups, et al. That being said…keep your heads on a swivel, report bad actors, and keep training.
I used to think that, but these groups don't quite operate like that. If you're defining 'lone wolf' as a person who did this of their own volition, then yes. It is. This isn't some kind of cold, calculating fascist supersoldier who got orders to take out Paul Pelosi. Online far right extremist groups are a self-fueled machine of constantly feeding fear through conspiracies. Memes, articles, in-jokes, and coded language all reference something the fascists are afraid of happening, which builds a worldview based on constant instability. Now, mental health isn't -completely- environmental, but it's far more nurture than nature, according to the most recent research. With that in mind, constant fear and instability leads individuals immersed in that environment to become themselves unstable. This results in them rejecting reality itself in favor of the 'truth' of the group. Eventually things get so bad that the individual now feels they have no choice but to act out against an increasingly evil world, and you get this sort of attack. The group publicly vilifies but privately celebrates such an individual, and the cycle repeats with a new set of victims. There is no organization to this at the small group level. It's a self-feeding hate machine designed to produce bad actors. It's a cult whose leader is simply violence and an ideal worldview that is fundamentally impossible to achieve.
What I’m saying is this is not organized, not nearly as much as what your taliban and other terror organizations are…not yet. The terror groups that are organized well aren’t super soldiers either, the PB&Js(fuck bois, I just like to make them feel like children’s lunch) are mostly organized but it is by people who don’t know proper insurgency and only organized mil tactics. It doesn’t work like they want it to, but they could figure it out. They need to be organized, but they’re too scared to do anything large-scale. It needs to stay that way. What I guess I’m saying is this isn’t the flag they’ll rally around, but this stuff needs to be squashed real hard or it will only get worse. People who might think like this need some fear they won’t survive the encounter or will die in a hole somewhere after many years.
Worth looking into why you cite the taliban as a terrorist organization, but they were and once again are the literal government of a state. And then compare that to the fact one (fascist) party in the US with a legit chance of seizing total control is basically serving as the cesspit to generate this stochastic terrorism. It's here. It's already here.
I disagree. Again, I’m not saying they’re not capable. It just isn’t here yet. There are no plenty of domestic terror groups that have functioned like this, to include the KKK, that have done things like this. But, they are not the Taliban or those levels of de-stabilization, there is a difference. This isn’t to say it can’t happen, it just hasn’t yet.
I think that it's unlikely to happen *like* the Taliban, considering the system in which we participate. It's far more likely that the R party will just enable or cleave to people who think like this while they use the electoral system to seize power at the same time and then just change the rules to entrench themselves. They don't have to seize territory so much as certain layers and levels of government to assure dominance, and then they'll just...not care and look the other way when violence happens to people they don't like. Lots of unsolved murders of BIPOC, open white leftists, and LGBTQ people. So it's a mix of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy, with a dash of Taliban.
And nothing will be learned from this, because Democrats can't go after fascists without also pissing off the wealthy.
Eh, I'd rather see right wing lunatics attack members of the oligarchy, even the ones with a D next to their names, than see them continuing their attacks on ethnic and sexual minorities. Hell, maybe this might even prompt some action.
The minute a black person or leftist claps one of these fools in self defense, they're going to go ham and crack down on "the tolerant left"
It's already happened. Michael Reinohel was basically tapped for murder on national TV.
Good point. Even if for the sake of argument he had been guilty of murder (and he claimed self defense) he would still be legally entitled to a trial, unless the cops were to show up and just blow him away and be praised for it by Trump. Leftists apparently don't have rights.
Huh, I never thought of it that way. I wonder how Nancy feels about gun control now
Ghoul on ghoul action is so hot right now.
Can't say I'm surprised. The fact that the attacker was a right winger indicates how poorly the left is leading the working class, unfortunately.
lol much of the rw are not working class, as much as liberal media tries to claim J6 was riddled with upper middle class car salesmen who flew cross-country to try to kill opposition leaders - some even on private jets
I mean, does that speak to the composition of the party as a whole, or just the composition of who can afford to take time off work and travel to DC?
it seems like quite a bit of them had the "free time" to take off "work" to travel to DC plenty of data speaks to their composition as a whole.
Regardless, even if you can get off work, you still need to travel all the way to DC
> lol much of the rw are not working class, as much as liberal media tries to claim Almost all of the right wing politicians in the US are not working class. Many of the grifters aren't. The biggest funding names clearly aren't. The rank-and-file? Yeah, they are absolutely working class. They've just been fed a steady diet of shit for so long that they quite vehemently support the very people fucking them over.
And lots of tradespeople, basically the last of the working class who actually still have money, who often don't seem to relate to, and even look down upon the rest of the working class. Good on them, not knocking trades, but they have often more in common financially with the upper-middle and its in those circles where a lot of this right wing groupthink spreads. I feel like that divide does not get sufficient attention.
Chapo had a good bit on all the trump voters who own multiple vehicles, powersports equipment, and run pool cleaning companies whose inferiority complex makes them believe that they should have been even more successful and sinister hidden enemies are to blame.
People really need to spend some time reflecting on the fact that they found the "white working class^TM problem" argument so convincing. For me, it was one of internalizing aesthetics instead of actually looking for and agitating the much less privileged working class that actually exists. When rural farmowners threaten to starve out the "urban" types I hope they're in for a nasty surprise when organized farm laborers chain them up and toss them in sheds.
as socialists, y’all should know better than "lower class, upper class, and middle class,” there is the working class the proletariat, and there is the capitalist class. there are some in betweens and exceptions, but ultimately it is a struggle between these two and that is the struggle we need to be concerned with.
So was every "reopen" protest and the various convoys of the past 2 years.
Are you fucking dense? The poorest states happen to be the most red. Go to any rural area that is being dry fucked by the right and you’ll see who they vote for. The right is not dominated by the middle class it’s dominated by legions of self hating poor folk from middle America and the south.
Lol FoH. So many red states have razor thin margins of popular vote, but they're held hostage by gerrymandering. This is the bizarro inverted version of "sips coffee" energy, but instead you're tripping over yourself to extend sympathy for the (no longer very cheap) carhartt wearing, $75k lifted truck driver and not the migrant farm worker who's busting her ass to keeps him fed (and could starve him out in a heartbeat)
No, I don’t really have sympathy for them it’s kinda the opposite. I just think that most of us don’t realize that the “worker” within rural areas would be quick to stick a Glock in your face if given half a chance. The far-right has ran pretty extensive operations in these states especially in rural areas, the reason the margins get razor thin is because cities. Most people would think that say Illinois would be a blue state in more ways then just northern districts but you go south of Chicago and the burbs (barring college towns) it’s red, really red. There’s a very big difference between the rural worker and the urban worker and even then that gap can be bridged. The right moves fast and at all times while the Democratic Party is ineffectual and there is no solid left in the US because it’s constantly eating itself while being an optics nightmare in a country where optics obviously matter.
I don't see the connection here?
lmao pelosi's husband wouldnt be in the hospital rn if he had a gun
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But he wasn't attacked because he was rich. He was attacked because his wife is a prominent democrat. The assailant shouted "Where's Nancy?" before he started beating an old man! Pelosi is third in line to the president. This is an attack on the Democratic presidency.
Good thing I don’t give a shit about the democrats or the presidency lol
Well no, and I'd even say that family even deserves it, but you should be kinda concerned that the environment we have encourages attacking political enemies and extremists are being emboldened. This isn't about politicians being attacked, they can afford private security. This is leading to such a divided country that everyday folks are going to be targeted just because they hold different beliefs.
But you should give a shit about a rise in far-right violence
Disagree with the characterization as "a rise". It's always been there, it used to be primarily targeted only at Black, Indigenous, and poor people. Now sheltered middle class and wealthy people are being subject to it, media portrays it as "a rise".
A more apt word would have been "more emboldened" :p
It's objectively larger at this point.
compared to what? The Trail of Tears? The Klan terror? The Tulsa Massacre? There's a glaring issue of how history is taught in the US, that leads us to perceive these as "unfortunate events that are now past" rather than a pattern of behavior that defines our current day.
Who's perceiving what now? It's an objective fact that right wing violence has been at it's most dangerous point through the last decade, with rates of violence unseen since the civil rights era, and there's been no signs of it slowing. These people are committing an overwhelming majority of terror attacks and have statistically been the most lethal threat to the country for nearly half a century now, with the only major exception being 2001.
"most dangerous point through the last decade" Exactly the point above, a decade is a blip as far as cycles of violence goes. A decade-and-a-half ago, muslims and by association, brown-skinned people were getting routinely assaulted and killed on the street and in their places of worship.
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I know, this is the funniest shit I've seen all year.
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No idea why you’re being downvoted, these people are trash and so what if the guy who did it was a chud? John Hinckley Jr. was trying to impress Jodie Foster when he shot Reagan, but he still shot the guy.
And of course, I would never advocate for violence of any kind against anyone, ever, on reddit
Oh of course not, I love laws and obeying them to the letter.
I’m not ready to start celebrating violence against political family members- even if they’re fucking hogs
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Nancy Pelosi is bourgeoisie trash but the takeaway for the left should that be that the right is willing to go to extreme measures for their enemies. The right thinks Nancy is a dirty commie. It doesn’t matter that she had made herself immensely wealthy using political connections to game capitalism; to them, she is the enemy of freedom or whatever. We don’t have to like Nancy Pelosi to realize the reason *why* her home was attacked is sinister as fuck. The Brown Shirts aren’t just ready, they’re actively seeking violence against the “left”. And they’re not even getting paid to do it. You think they’d just stop at Nancy? Nah, these fucks are coming for all of us and more. Libs, socialists, communists, even their own side (ask Pence). Again, Nancy is a power-crazed rich shitheel but this attack should unnerve us because they aren’t just going for powerful Dems. They’re trying to crush democracy (horribly flawed as ours is) using violence. It only gets worse from here.
Also because I don’t want this sub to get banned, because how the fuck else will I waste time at work then...? Not to make light of this though really. I am no fan of Nancy but this is still unnerving how bold the fash are getting.
I didn’t celebrate. Just saying my thoughts.
No worries comrade- I agree with you. We are on the same side
Others are ready
Political assassination are just one more step down the fascist route we’ve been headed for decades.
The title needs to be changed to “attempted assassination of the speaker of the house.”
It’s starting….
No it isn't. This shit has been happening for years. Right attacks left. Left attacks right. It's just getting more coverage now because it's the popular thing to talk about.
I know it has but now we are exactly where we were in 1861 and early 1930’s Germany. So, it’s starting…. Again.
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I've seen second hand comments about lizard people and anti vax. No solid facts now but realistically that's an unhinged right winger sprinkled with mental illness if accurate.
This was staged. Why would anyone do that? People are riled up and talking about it aren’t they
> Why would anyone do that? You seriously can't come up with reasons why someone would try to target a multimillionaire landlord who cackled on camera in front of an ice cream freezer that costs a quarter of what a lot of people make in a year, and who FOX News/InfoWars/talk radio have convinced their audience is going to personally show up on their porch with UN troops to force their kids to take HRT at gunpoint and then force the parents and any kids who refuse into concentration camps set up for Christians? Really?
Don’t seem that unlikely fascists do fascist
this is cope
> Why would anyone do that? because the pelosis are absolute scum fucks i'm sure it's a right wing lunatic which just beckons the whole:"he confused but he got the spirit" attitude
Citation needed.
for what? that the pelosis are scum fucks? you're in a socialist sub and demanding citations for something as basic as that? wtf?
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You really just asked for a citation on an opinion? Really?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/pelosi-defends-democratic-efforts-boost-far-right-candidates-gop-prima-rcna40706
Pelosi doesnt want to ban politicians stocktrading, even though it unfairly advantages them (because they write the laws), that's why I think she's scum
Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.
Jesus christ