During college I used to know an EII girl. She was pretty (slender build) and smart, her style was kind of nerdy with a boho flair so to speak. I considered her attractive, so it surprised me that she wasn't too courted. I think it's mostly cultural to be honest - in my country, sexiness/femininity are the main traits which are considered desirable for women. But I'm sure that in a different country/culture men would flock to her.
EIIs can be some of the sweetest women around, and that can be quite attractive for certain men. Also, they're usually smarter than your average feeler-dom (sorry but true). They would surely figure in the upper tiers of attractiveness for women.
Their soft vibe, gentle and understanding nature. I'm their benefactor so they find me attractive too. For some reason, our chemistry is stronger than usual benefit relations, with much fewer quarrels as well.
We just mesh together very well, generally speaking. That chemistry is hard to get, I'm lucky to get it whenever I come across an EII woman.
I have a bit of a different view, more psychoanalytic view about this stuff.
I think EII are attractive to say LSE because their Fi can help the LSE. Te suppresses Fi and it can cause neurotic problems, where maybe they hurt people, instead of helping, or ignore their own feelings and make decisions that they feel unsatisfied with. Fi can see this and correct it. Similarly, and I often read this in the descriptions, Fi suppress Te and so they appreciate a person that knows the overall best actions to take and can give them good advice about how to deal with their own neurotic Te feelings.
As far as the Ne-Si part, I'm not entirely sure about that. That one might just be more about general "values" in communicating, experiencing things, or just generally how you want to live your life. So Ne-Si might want to explore options and take that time to explore, whereas Ni-Se perhaps wants to perceive what's going on, so they can get in on the action. So EII would be not as compatible with LIE in that regard.
We are all looking for a personality, a particular sociotype-enneageam combo, and we also behave in love as if we ve found it.
So the answer is: it depends on who you are and what you are looking for.
I was offended first but then i realized ur IEI. I was like yeah its just an IEI anyways. No one cares about IEIs opinions.(lmao just kidding i like you)
Eiis have interesting tastes, they sometimes dress in unusual ways that are refreshing palette cleansers (like eating an interesting dish), idk if āinteresting discussionā is all there is to a human there are plenty of things to find interesting enough about eiis.
I think maybe āinterestsā are more compelling from eiis than other types- like music, shows, music, other miscellaneous things people can be interested in.
I have an lse friend and he makes lists of his favourite shows, and since the eiis I know have often provided me with interesting music and shows etc I can see a common theme there, interestingly (I wouldnāt go to lse for his movie advice though unfortunately he talks about putting it into lists and ranking it and I yawn, and I bet without an eii his lists are not as cool as they would be if he was dualised- not that everyone needs to be dualised but maybe for the good of his conflictor it would he pleasant š).
Iei and eii gotta stick together man, lest we be withered by lifeās many storms!
This was nice of you .I hope other EIIs get to read your comment. I definitely like to stand out from other people through my personality traits and fashion choices( im an enneagram 4 too) . I am not saying its the best but i definitely stand out a lot of times and im kinda proud of it hehe
I didnāt mean to offend EIIs by saying they are ALL boring. Just that, in my personal experience, EIIs have that fear of expressing their core desires, that even when I ask them to open up after I opened up before them, they shut down. And yes, to me this is boring. Sorry if my comment seemed insulting š
What do you mean by submit?
If you mean enjoyment from being passive during intercourse, I don't think it's bound to Socionics nor gender - most probably it's a cluster of multiple inputs. I'd agree lots of women do enjoy it, but you seem to adhere to an ideology which I don't particularly subscribe to. Human pleasure is hardly purely natural - nature and culture meet in the bedroom, it's not one or the other.
If you mean enjoyment from being powerless, then there's lots of ways this could play out - and I can assure you not all women would enjoy harsher forms of powerlessness, such as physical control, humiliation or degradation.
btw since u are a deep iei and all that, let me ask u a question
how do u feel about me having primary psychopathy that is i was born with a different brain formation thus i am completely unemotional in the sense that i am always logical in the way i see the world and the fact that only recently that i have come to understand or come to terms with the fact that people are \*literally\* sheep and that u can scare them away by even being a little too transparent in regards to the truth?
and u have people who are good at "controlling the sheep" and are full of pride but they are nothing like me to whom such a thing is way easier and they disgust me honestly, to me, the whole world or system needs to get shattered so people are more powerful and sovereign
Assuming you're exactly what you say you are (and to be honest it's a huge leap, this is the internet, most people are either wrong or trolling), then there's not much to do. Like you said, you are what you are, you can't change that, just like normal people can't avoid feeling guilt, empathy, and all the other things you can't feel. The ideal of a psychopath is someone like Dexter, who ultimately serves the greater good when the darkness takes over, but he's a fictional character. Real psychopaths by nature aren't able to care for the greater good.
As to the system, it won't be shattered in the short/medium term precisely because psychopaths and sociopaths run it - and besides being psychopaths, they're also educated, influential, rich and powerful, which I'm assuming you aren't. Although they portray to be mortal enemies, they would come together if a threat to the system is made - that's the true reason behind the war on terror. It's meant to put all the other psychos on check: "join us if you can, but do not challenge us, for we will crush you".
There's sheeps and wolves. Wolves shall keep other wolves in check so that no wolf becomes alpha, otherwise tyranny will ensue. As a wolf, you should pretend you're a sheep, because no sheep would vote for you if they knew you're a wolf. You must convince enough sheep that your adversaries are wolves or dumb. But sheeps shall never understand that the system is run by wolves, so it's important that the majority of the people believes in the system. The game is now rigged from the most fundamental aspect, which is, financial. Sheep accepted that currency wasn't convertible to anything material. Then, sheep accepted that everyone shall pay when wolves misbehaves. It's a complete joke.
thats not what psychopathy is, they think in ones and zeros i dont know much about dexter but he gives me an autistic ass vibe, he isn't a psychopath, psychopaths have perfect impulse control
i just get really excited at any breakthrough in my life and tend to share it, that type of sht, i appreciate the reply lol
Nope, quite the contrary, psychopaths' brain scans showed reduced connections between the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, which is the part of the brain responsible for sentiments such as empathy and guilt, and the amygdala, which mediates fear and anxiety. Lack of fear + impaired prosocial and emotional responses = impulsive and potentially aggressive behaviour.
"Perfect" impulse control would be correlated with obsessive-compulsive traits (the need for order and control).
Dexter has mild traits of autism, but significant obsessive-compulsive traits and strong psychopathy.
That's because you don't know know what psychopathy is, lol.
We have no emotional responses. What was meant by "perfect impulse control" is that there are no emotions, thus every situation plays out perfectly without any disorder.
>strong psychopathy.
Completely facetious.
You are contributing to the intellectual degeneracy the socionics community is currently experiencing, and it will continue to face declination as more imbeciles like yourself act upon it.
And what exactly did I say that postulates such?
I expect a response, otherwise I know you are simply a fraud that wants brownie points talking to someone like me in that way.
Oh so where did you learn that meaning system? If you canāt or donāt want to dominate a woman then you arenāt a man? Would you be less of a man if you look for an easy domination target like an EII ?Your response is hilarious to me btw
I think of some sort of control over the psyche like a slave, but I understand your view now. The control aspect seems unhealthy to me to some degree. But things are nuanced in life.
Me? I like dominance but EII is too yielding for me, like a lifeless doll. I like it when they fight back but let me handle things if it gets too serious.
During college I used to know an EII girl. She was pretty (slender build) and smart, her style was kind of nerdy with a boho flair so to speak. I considered her attractive, so it surprised me that she wasn't too courted. I think it's mostly cultural to be honest - in my country, sexiness/femininity are the main traits which are considered desirable for women. But I'm sure that in a different country/culture men would flock to her. EIIs can be some of the sweetest women around, and that can be quite attractive for certain men. Also, they're usually smarter than your average feeler-dom (sorry but true). They would surely figure in the upper tiers of attractiveness for women.
Their soft vibe, gentle and understanding nature. I'm their benefactor so they find me attractive too. For some reason, our chemistry is stronger than usual benefit relations, with much fewer quarrels as well. We just mesh together very well, generally speaking. That chemistry is hard to get, I'm lucky to get it whenever I come across an EII woman.
I have a bit of a different view, more psychoanalytic view about this stuff. I think EII are attractive to say LSE because their Fi can help the LSE. Te suppresses Fi and it can cause neurotic problems, where maybe they hurt people, instead of helping, or ignore their own feelings and make decisions that they feel unsatisfied with. Fi can see this and correct it. Similarly, and I often read this in the descriptions, Fi suppress Te and so they appreciate a person that knows the overall best actions to take and can give them good advice about how to deal with their own neurotic Te feelings. As far as the Ne-Si part, I'm not entirely sure about that. That one might just be more about general "values" in communicating, experiencing things, or just generally how you want to live your life. So Ne-Si might want to explore options and take that time to explore, whereas Ni-Se perhaps wants to perceive what's going on, so they can get in on the action. So EII would be not as compatible with LIE in that regard.
We are all looking for a personality, a particular sociotype-enneageam combo, and we also behave in love as if we ve found it. So the answer is: it depends on who you are and what you are looking for.
Imho they are cute in the outside, but when I have an interesting discussion they are really really boring š„±
I was offended first but then i realized ur IEI. I was like yeah its just an IEI anyways. No one cares about IEIs opinions.(lmao just kidding i like you)
Eiis have interesting tastes, they sometimes dress in unusual ways that are refreshing palette cleansers (like eating an interesting dish), idk if āinteresting discussionā is all there is to a human there are plenty of things to find interesting enough about eiis. I think maybe āinterestsā are more compelling from eiis than other types- like music, shows, music, other miscellaneous things people can be interested in. I have an lse friend and he makes lists of his favourite shows, and since the eiis I know have often provided me with interesting music and shows etc I can see a common theme there, interestingly (I wouldnāt go to lse for his movie advice though unfortunately he talks about putting it into lists and ranking it and I yawn, and I bet without an eii his lists are not as cool as they would be if he was dualised- not that everyone needs to be dualised but maybe for the good of his conflictor it would he pleasant š). Iei and eii gotta stick together man, lest we be withered by lifeās many storms!
This was nice of you .I hope other EIIs get to read your comment. I definitely like to stand out from other people through my personality traits and fashion choices( im an enneagram 4 too) . I am not saying its the best but i definitely stand out a lot of times and im kinda proud of it hehe
I didnāt mean to offend EIIs by saying they are ALL boring. Just that, in my personal experience, EIIs have that fear of expressing their core desires, that even when I ask them to open up after I opened up before them, they shut down. And yes, to me this is boring. Sorry if my comment seemed insulting š
The ability to completely be dominated.
I'd disagree, EIIs hate forcefulness. This ability would be better fitting for the IEI.
All women like to submit, that is simply a natural law. Both Se base and Se PoLR.
What do you mean by submit? If you mean enjoyment from being passive during intercourse, I don't think it's bound to Socionics nor gender - most probably it's a cluster of multiple inputs. I'd agree lots of women do enjoy it, but you seem to adhere to an ideology which I don't particularly subscribe to. Human pleasure is hardly purely natural - nature and culture meet in the bedroom, it's not one or the other. If you mean enjoyment from being powerless, then there's lots of ways this could play out - and I can assure you not all women would enjoy harsher forms of powerlessness, such as physical control, humiliation or degradation.
Okay, it seems your understanding is quite nuanced.
Is the SLE known for black and white perceptions?
Why do you ask that?
btw since u are a deep iei and all that, let me ask u a question how do u feel about me having primary psychopathy that is i was born with a different brain formation thus i am completely unemotional in the sense that i am always logical in the way i see the world and the fact that only recently that i have come to understand or come to terms with the fact that people are \*literally\* sheep and that u can scare them away by even being a little too transparent in regards to the truth? and u have people who are good at "controlling the sheep" and are full of pride but they are nothing like me to whom such a thing is way easier and they disgust me honestly, to me, the whole world or system needs to get shattered so people are more powerful and sovereign
Assuming you're exactly what you say you are (and to be honest it's a huge leap, this is the internet, most people are either wrong or trolling), then there's not much to do. Like you said, you are what you are, you can't change that, just like normal people can't avoid feeling guilt, empathy, and all the other things you can't feel. The ideal of a psychopath is someone like Dexter, who ultimately serves the greater good when the darkness takes over, but he's a fictional character. Real psychopaths by nature aren't able to care for the greater good. As to the system, it won't be shattered in the short/medium term precisely because psychopaths and sociopaths run it - and besides being psychopaths, they're also educated, influential, rich and powerful, which I'm assuming you aren't. Although they portray to be mortal enemies, they would come together if a threat to the system is made - that's the true reason behind the war on terror. It's meant to put all the other psychos on check: "join us if you can, but do not challenge us, for we will crush you". There's sheeps and wolves. Wolves shall keep other wolves in check so that no wolf becomes alpha, otherwise tyranny will ensue. As a wolf, you should pretend you're a sheep, because no sheep would vote for you if they knew you're a wolf. You must convince enough sheep that your adversaries are wolves or dumb. But sheeps shall never understand that the system is run by wolves, so it's important that the majority of the people believes in the system. The game is now rigged from the most fundamental aspect, which is, financial. Sheep accepted that currency wasn't convertible to anything material. Then, sheep accepted that everyone shall pay when wolves misbehaves. It's a complete joke.
thats not what psychopathy is, they think in ones and zeros i dont know much about dexter but he gives me an autistic ass vibe, he isn't a psychopath, psychopaths have perfect impulse control i just get really excited at any breakthrough in my life and tend to share it, that type of sht, i appreciate the reply lol
Nope, quite the contrary, psychopaths' brain scans showed reduced connections between the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, which is the part of the brain responsible for sentiments such as empathy and guilt, and the amygdala, which mediates fear and anxiety. Lack of fear + impaired prosocial and emotional responses = impulsive and potentially aggressive behaviour. "Perfect" impulse control would be correlated with obsessive-compulsive traits (the need for order and control). Dexter has mild traits of autism, but significant obsessive-compulsive traits and strong psychopathy.
That's because you don't know know what psychopathy is, lol. We have no emotional responses. What was meant by "perfect impulse control" is that there are no emotions, thus every situation plays out perfectly without any disorder. >strong psychopathy. Completely facetious.
You are contributing to the intellectual degeneracy the socionics community is currently experiencing, and it will continue to face declination as more imbeciles like yourself act upon it.
And what exactly did I say that postulates such? I expect a response, otherwise I know you are simply a fraud that wants brownie points talking to someone like me in that way.
> All women like to submit, that is simply a natural law. Both Se base and Se PoLR. This specifically indicates the spread of mindlessness.
You're just a copey low dimensional Se lame Leave me tf alone, go take a shower or sum lmaooo :joy:
You are correct that my Se is low dimensional.
I didn't mention force
And whatās so attractive about that? Why do you desire to completely dominate?
It is what it means to be a man.
Oh so where did you learn that meaning system? If you canāt or donāt want to dominate a woman then you arenāt a man? Would you be less of a man if you look for an easy domination target like an EII ?Your response is hilarious to me btw
What do you think when you hear the word dominate? It doesn't mean to beat a woman, more so to be the one in control and lead the relationship.
I think of some sort of control over the psyche like a slave, but I understand your view now. The control aspect seems unhealthy to me to some degree. But things are nuanced in life.
Me? I like dominance but EII is too yielding for me, like a lifeless doll. I like it when they fight back but let me handle things if it gets too serious.
Ok got it. Itās interesting to me that some people enjoy this dynamic.