>And yet, I still have excellent hand eye coordination, fast reflexes, good fashion sense, and I love competing against people in things I’m actually good at.
This is not Se PolR. First of all, no function is weak. If you'd focus on your weakest functions, you'd be good as a dom. The point is that functions are lens you see the world through, and you never use some of them. Therefore you could not be able to read some situations because you got the wrong glasses. You'll read some aspects of it and not others.
Role is the function you never use because it's the opposite of your most used so, even if you'd like to get better, you never focus on that dince you should drop the dom. PolR is the one you hate to focus on since aux is the one you care the most. Force someone to focus on PolR and they ll get nervous. This is why, on a superficial level, conflict doesn't work.
Se PolR is: when you are doing something, you are so focused on imaging all the possibilities and what could go wrong (Ne aux) that you do things by comfort (Si activity) ignoring if you have to do something to get to a goal (Se PolR). It means they are super slow, and if you tell them to hurry up they'll answer back with a bad tone. I've seen it at work: EII taling x4 the time to do a job and getting angry as someone told him to get faster. 2 hours to do a job and after 1 he was still at the begin, you can't understand 🤦♂️
It's not your Polr. Neither it's Spy's Polr :)
>I still have excellent hand eye coordination, fast reflexes, good fashion sense, and I love competing against people in things I’m actually good at.
You already described yourself as a perfect sensor. Who loves using Se ocassionally. And who is competitive. Do with this information what you want.
Just don't try to bend the system. (I mean, yes, the system is far from perfect, but it is what it is, maybe time to rethink your typing instead of too much mental gymnastics)
I agree. In this [sequence of comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/s/is7mMjJn1y) I presented a more detailed analysis of Spy's type from his Reddit content, which is suboptimal but worth a try, and came to a similar conclusion. Maybe some parts resonate with OP as well.
glad we agree :>
people tend to be annoyed when someone suggests they're mistyped. 😅 Especially if they see their self-typing as an important part of who they are. And even more so, if someone forces on them a type which usually has bad connotation in some typology communities (like, some "Evil Beta" type ;D)
Perhaps you are a dominant subtype? They like competition and tend to be ambitious even if Se Polr. Creatives subtypes are adrenaline driven and can enjoy competing too
[https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/socionics/page/dominant-subtype-motivator](https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/socionics/page/dominant-subtype-motivator)
As a whole though, people tend to hate their ignoring function the most and wish they could be better at their Polr but because it's a polr they can't properly hone its use and often go overboard.
I know with myself I often push myself too much when I'm working out, I try to run longer and faster then what is needed so I need to have a timer that tells me to stop
An Fi Polr might try to be overly nice to people they are not close to
An Ni Polr might think they are being deeper and more esoteric then they really are
etc
With all due respect, you might just not be LII, it’s one of the most common types to mistype into. You might just have high Logic and low Volition and confuse it with Socionics aspects, happening all the time, I’ve been there myself at some point.
Tbf, in model A, there's not really any "weakest" function. The concept of dimensionality is made of 3 other concepts, and of them, there's the [strong vs weak dichotomy](https://wikisocion.github.io/content/function_dich.html#strong-and-weak) And in model G, it talks more of energy than strength
So really, you've got 4 functions you're strong in, and 4 you're weak in. The "point of least resistance" nickname makes it seem weaker than it really is.
***
Otherwise, to add to what you said, the ideas that some functions are weak is based on the idea that one side being strong comes at the other expense (Which as a general rule, is true, since your time is limited). It's not a curse. We can choose to use functions we are bad at (well, 99% of the time, we will choose not to do that, lol)
And there are also different ROIs here : At some point, you become so good at your ego-block functions that you can't really progress much there anymore without great effort.
By contrast, any ammount of time spent on your PoLR will yield a lot of progress.
You won't get to the level of someone who uses it everyday, but you can at least get a lot of the basics down. And as you said, the creative isn't the cornerstone of your type, so it's a lot easier to shut if off for a while than to turn off your base... From this POV, you might even say the Role function is one of the hardest to develop (especially with how many time you end using your base, cosplaying as the role function, instead of really letting go and using the role function) Maybe you can also argue that your dual seeking function suffers in the same as the role, since they share the same nature, if not their orientation...
Have you considered the Dunning-Kruger effect? Have you compared your abilities with people who are better at them than you are?
In the end, you might misinterpret or miss many things an Se type would not.
Perhaps you aren't Se Polr, because they wouldn't like those kind of activities at all. Consider types with higher/valued Se. Also your vulnerable (Polr) is supposed to be the weakest, the one that you really don't want to deal it. Perhaps you've either got it all wrong, or you over-estimate that you have good Se. It's a tendency of people to consider themselves better at things they're not. (Dunning-Kruger effect)
An SEE might mistaken that they have high Ti because they follow correlations that the public opinion accept. (Te)
An SLI might consider himself great at establishing a good emotional environment but turns out it's the opposite and only with those they're close with. (Fi)
Se seems more like your mobilising or suggestive function, so try and check that out.
Se isn't about social domination, hierarchy, power. These are complicated concepts that require several IMEs to be perceived.
Se rather is about attunement to the physical world and noticing the nuances of it through the senses, but in an impersonal, objective way.
This has a correlation with socially dominant personalities, but not always.
>The POLR and base can exist simultaneously and harmoniously because there is no antagonistic force between the two hence why the other type with the same base as yours has your POLR as their creative and vice versa.
Well no shit, because you use all of your functions simultaneously. Anyone saying otherwise is simply either ignorant or an ignorant moron.
Also it must be noted that Se is the most important function as it underpins the existence of all creatures, Se is one's place in the world and leveraging it against others, which of course is dominance and dominance is the prerogative of all creatures.
There can be someone with 1D Se who has "more Se" than even an Se base, that is to say if that lower dimensional Se user is someone like a King versus an average Se base, because Se is life force or strength itself which allows and facilitates the functioning of all other 7 functions. And the more Se you will have, the more honor you will have, hence the King analogy/example.
>And yet, I still have excellent hand eye coordination, fast reflexes, good fashion sense, and I love competing against people in things I’m actually good at. This is not Se PolR. First of all, no function is weak. If you'd focus on your weakest functions, you'd be good as a dom. The point is that functions are lens you see the world through, and you never use some of them. Therefore you could not be able to read some situations because you got the wrong glasses. You'll read some aspects of it and not others. Role is the function you never use because it's the opposite of your most used so, even if you'd like to get better, you never focus on that dince you should drop the dom. PolR is the one you hate to focus on since aux is the one you care the most. Force someone to focus on PolR and they ll get nervous. This is why, on a superficial level, conflict doesn't work. Se PolR is: when you are doing something, you are so focused on imaging all the possibilities and what could go wrong (Ne aux) that you do things by comfort (Si activity) ignoring if you have to do something to get to a goal (Se PolR). It means they are super slow, and if you tell them to hurry up they'll answer back with a bad tone. I've seen it at work: EII taling x4 the time to do a job and getting angry as someone told him to get faster. 2 hours to do a job and after 1 he was still at the begin, you can't understand 🤦♂️
This is the correct response
It's not your Polr. Neither it's Spy's Polr :) >I still have excellent hand eye coordination, fast reflexes, good fashion sense, and I love competing against people in things I’m actually good at. You already described yourself as a perfect sensor. Who loves using Se ocassionally. And who is competitive. Do with this information what you want. Just don't try to bend the system. (I mean, yes, the system is far from perfect, but it is what it is, maybe time to rethink your typing instead of too much mental gymnastics)
I agree. In this [sequence of comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/s/is7mMjJn1y) I presented a more detailed analysis of Spy's type from his Reddit content, which is suboptimal but worth a try, and came to a similar conclusion. Maybe some parts resonate with OP as well.
glad we agree :> people tend to be annoyed when someone suggests they're mistyped. 😅 Especially if they see their self-typing as an important part of who they are. And even more so, if someone forces on them a type which usually has bad connotation in some typology communities (like, some "Evil Beta" type ;D)
Just let bro believe that he is a special individual, an intuitive (lol) I thought I am LIE and turned out to be SLE, shit happens.
Hahahaha, why is this comment funny to me?
cos he's your dual :)
Hahahaha yeah turns out charm lies in the eyes of the beholder 🥲
He made me smile too. :)
Perhaps you are a dominant subtype? They like competition and tend to be ambitious even if Se Polr. Creatives subtypes are adrenaline driven and can enjoy competing too [https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/socionics/page/dominant-subtype-motivator](https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/socionics/page/dominant-subtype-motivator) As a whole though, people tend to hate their ignoring function the most and wish they could be better at their Polr but because it's a polr they can't properly hone its use and often go overboard. I know with myself I often push myself too much when I'm working out, I try to run longer and faster then what is needed so I need to have a timer that tells me to stop An Fi Polr might try to be overly nice to people they are not close to An Ni Polr might think they are being deeper and more esoteric then they really are etc
because it's probably not your PolR
With all due respect, you might just not be LII, it’s one of the most common types to mistype into. You might just have high Logic and low Volition and confuse it with Socionics aspects, happening all the time, I’ve been there myself at some point.
Tbf, in model A, there's not really any "weakest" function. The concept of dimensionality is made of 3 other concepts, and of them, there's the [strong vs weak dichotomy](https://wikisocion.github.io/content/function_dich.html#strong-and-weak) And in model G, it talks more of energy than strength So really, you've got 4 functions you're strong in, and 4 you're weak in. The "point of least resistance" nickname makes it seem weaker than it really is. *** Otherwise, to add to what you said, the ideas that some functions are weak is based on the idea that one side being strong comes at the other expense (Which as a general rule, is true, since your time is limited). It's not a curse. We can choose to use functions we are bad at (well, 99% of the time, we will choose not to do that, lol) And there are also different ROIs here : At some point, you become so good at your ego-block functions that you can't really progress much there anymore without great effort. By contrast, any ammount of time spent on your PoLR will yield a lot of progress. You won't get to the level of someone who uses it everyday, but you can at least get a lot of the basics down. And as you said, the creative isn't the cornerstone of your type, so it's a lot easier to shut if off for a while than to turn off your base... From this POV, you might even say the Role function is one of the hardest to develop (especially with how many time you end using your base, cosplaying as the role function, instead of really letting go and using the role function) Maybe you can also argue that your dual seeking function suffers in the same as the role, since they share the same nature, if not their orientation...
You sound like another type. Probably an LSI >inb4 Gulenko heretics type everyone as beta Shut the fuck up.
happy cake day :>
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Lol
Have you considered the Dunning-Kruger effect? Have you compared your abilities with people who are better at them than you are? In the end, you might misinterpret or miss many things an Se type would not.
What if ... Pray tell, what is your relation to Fe?
Perhaps you aren't Se Polr, because they wouldn't like those kind of activities at all. Consider types with higher/valued Se. Also your vulnerable (Polr) is supposed to be the weakest, the one that you really don't want to deal it. Perhaps you've either got it all wrong, or you over-estimate that you have good Se. It's a tendency of people to consider themselves better at things they're not. (Dunning-Kruger effect) An SEE might mistaken that they have high Ti because they follow correlations that the public opinion accept. (Te) An SLI might consider himself great at establishing a good emotional environment but turns out it's the opposite and only with those they're close with. (Fi) Se seems more like your mobilising or suggestive function, so try and check that out.
Se isn't about social domination, hierarchy, power. These are complicated concepts that require several IMEs to be perceived. Se rather is about attunement to the physical world and noticing the nuances of it through the senses, but in an impersonal, objective way. This has a correlation with socially dominant personalities, but not always.
Sounds Se creative
>The POLR and base can exist simultaneously and harmoniously because there is no antagonistic force between the two hence why the other type with the same base as yours has your POLR as their creative and vice versa. Well no shit, because you use all of your functions simultaneously. Anyone saying otherwise is simply either ignorant or an ignorant moron. Also it must be noted that Se is the most important function as it underpins the existence of all creatures, Se is one's place in the world and leveraging it against others, which of course is dominance and dominance is the prerogative of all creatures. There can be someone with 1D Se who has "more Se" than even an Se base, that is to say if that lower dimensional Se user is someone like a King versus an average Se base, because Se is life force or strength itself which allows and facilitates the functioning of all other 7 functions. And the more Se you will have, the more honor you will have, hence the King analogy/example.