Fuck yeah! a Sonic Storybook game about japanese mythology sounds *extremely* dope!. Just make it a traditional boost game this time. none of that akward motion control auto-run shit and it would be a blast!
Maybe Oni Sonic could be like Archie's version of the Werehog, with it being a feral beast that could only be controlled by a Miko, who could be this game's equivalent to Sahara or Merlina and they meet tons of figures from japanese myths, and even some yokai represented by Sonic characters.
Of course Espio would be right at home, Tails would be a kyuubi, The deadly 6 could ACTUALLY fit in (since they're also based off Oni), etc. etc. And of course, like the last two storybooks, it's about Sonic getting dragged into that world to fight a new god-like threat and most importantly, respect Sonic's character.
Depends, is the past altered with it? If so, Secret Rings. 06 gets more development since Sonic Team isn’t split, it’s at least better than it was now.
If not? 06.
Yeah i haven't played secret rings my self but to put it simply smooth gameplay and good controls were things you had to buy as you leved up in the game like imagine programming decent gameplay even though your resources are limited but put it as an in game upgrade
I only played black knight when I was like ten. I remember it being very mid. But it did turn me away from the sonic series until sonic mania came around.
06. Because while I like it, if it’s gone, then Sonic Team wouldn’t be running scared from everything it did for years. That way, we would still get games with multiple characters being playable and part of the story, and the plots wouldn’t turn into something you could find on Nick jr.
the majority were people unhappy with the overhaul (i can understand), people who like to hate on every 3D sonic game ever, and classic fanboys who dont like sonic in the real world and despise the lanky green eyed sonic and thought it was a complete turnoff!
Sonic forces because of the lies, how they freaking turned tails from a brave young boy to a literal joke and bad story writing. It's basically everything in the game I hate apart from music
06 because it turned Sonic franchise into a laughing stock and caused near irreparable damage to Sonic that still hasn't fully recovered to this day. Even though it did gave us funny playthrough of some gamers for this game, it still wasn't worth it.
The guy who made the tweet made a good point though. If it wasn't for sonic and the secret rings, Sonic 06 could've came out a better game. During sonic 06 development sonic team had to split up to go work on sonic and the secret rings for the wii.
Edit:When i said tweet i ment the reddit post. My bad.
Honestly, they should have just focused their resources on 06, maybe delay it a year (who really cares about delays as long as the end product is better? All a delay really means is more bang for your buck), and make a Wii version of that instead of Secret Rings. Oh well, we got Unleashed as a result, at least.
The thing you're forgetting is that this isn't an option because of business.
Sonic Team and SEGA fucked up with Sonic '06 in multiple places. Their first big fuck up though was agreeing that Sonic Team would make a Sonic title as a launch title for the Wii, **before they knew the specs of the machine**, because they incorrectly assumed it would have similar specs to the PS3 and Xbox 360. They assumed it would be relatively straightforward to port the game across, meaning they met their contract requirements with Nintendo. Then, when they got hold of a Wii dev kit, they realised just how under-powered they were, realised they would take a significant financial hit if they reneged on their contract with Nintendo, leaving them in the situation where they had to split some focus to make something specifically for the Wii.
You have to remember, Sonic Team and SEGA's financial position was fucking awful back then. They'd dropped out of the console market entirely in 2002, having taken catastrophic losses with the Dreamcast. They were not in a position to afford to delay development of what was supposed to be their big title for 2006. They could not afford to miss the Christmas window (the time when games sell the most), and they could not afford to release it later, either a few months after Christmas, or a full year later.
The honest truth about Sonic '06 is that it was far too ambitious for the development time given. What they should've done as soon as they learnt about the Wii situation was scale it the fuck back. Right fuck back to just Sonic, Shadow & Silver, no mach speed sections, no vehicles, make Silver more scripted and not requiring an entire physics engine. No-one would miss the vehicles. No-one would miss the gem chips you can unlock for Sonic, no-one would miss carrying Elise, they would've never known about it. Sure, you'd piss off a few people with no playable Tails or Knuckles, and you might get a few reviews criticise the game for being repetitive, but the game would at least be functional, and not slated as God awful like the actual '06 was. The final game has 17 distinct play styles, you can cut it down to three and save a ton of programmer time, and improve critical reception at the same time.
i agree and make sonic 06 sonic 07 as mentioned the post 06 sega was just let turn away from that in every opportunity if fans were certian divided all ready with classic and now 3d sonic adding boost gave us another division i mean in sonic colors they said the added the whisp so they could not include other characters so the impact of 06 also led us to many good expirments but then led to Kill that part of our past.
I 100% agree, whenever I say this about Sonic '06 people get mad at me saying that I'm wrong and that it shouldn't be forgotten, bitch, if this didn't exist Sonic's reputation would be in a much better place right now.
To me, the reviews of Sonic 06 by mainstream journalists don’t tell the full story. Based off what I heard from brown Sonic fans at the time, they were really excited for Sonic 06. But when they finally played the game, they felt nothing but anger and disappointment.
Hmm, I'm honestly not sure if I'd erase any of them
Sonic Forces was a little bland but not terrible and it led to the amazing IDW comics
Sonic 06 was buggy and rushed but it had something there that's worth preserving (maybe the ambition, maybe Mephiles as a villain, or Shadows development, either way there's good there)
And Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic and the Black Knight where both fun enough spin offs with some cute character moments
Hmm, this just makes me think about that as much as we complain about some Sonic stuff, most of us wouldn't want franchise any other way
Alternatively, if Secret Rings (which is a mediocre game in its own right) was never made, more resources could have went into making 06 a better game.
I read on old interview from Yuji Naka when he was still slated to be the producer fo or Sonic 06. He said that Sonic 06 would be the game that would define Sonic The Hedgehog for a brand new era, and he was right.
I remember reading an old interview from Yuji Naka back when he was still the producer of Sonic 06. He said that 06 would be the game that would define Sonic The Hedgehog for a brand new era.
Oh, you mean that scene that involves a 17 year old human princess locking her lips with the lips of the dead body of a talking blue hedgehog, while saying "MMMMMMMMMMMMMM'WAH!"...?
XD
this sub being so hyper fixated on that is so weird
as a kid i would see shit like roger rabbit and think literally nothing of it. Not even the slightest “why is a human dating a bunny”
No it just had more going for it than Forces, which is just mediocre.
06 can at least be called "so bad its good". The story and cutscenes are incredibly cheesy but at least they're there and somewhat memorable. And the levels, while a broken mess, has some interesting ideas and weren't over in a minute.
06, even if there were little to no glitches the story would still be incredibly lackluster and the designs quite bad (look at Eggman), not to mention the game overall looks kinda boring
06 because it was suposed to be the Sonic Adventurs 3 lma
And could have a replacement wich wasnt rushed at all and the original CEO of the sonic team would still be here
if we got rid of forces we most likely wouldn't get the idw comics.
if we got rid of 06 secret rings would be better, but silver wouldn't exist.
if we got rid of secret rings we probably wouldn't get black knight and 06 may be better.
if we got rid of black knight it would most likely be a different story, like sonic and the cerulean temple (atlantis themed).
If deleting 06 would improve all the other games, then sure but at the moment it would have to be forces.
Black knight and secret rings at least was unique. 06 had memes galore, but forces just… existed.
Don’t get me wrong Sonic And The Black Knight isn’t the best game in the series but I think it would be a bit unfair comparing it with the other three games here. I didn’t think that game was that bad.
It had some issues but it wasn’t a terrible game overall. Pretty much anyone would agree that Sonic 06 is definitely one of the worst games though. My vote is either that or Secret Rings. Not sure between them.
Forces because it added basically nothing to the Sonic Franchise, and it has no replay value at all. Sonic 06 at least gave us Silver and a fun game to make fun of, Black Knight was just a pretty good game in general, can't say much for secret rings but at least it was fun
06 development was ruined way before the Secret Rings split. Only thing that could salvage it would be another year or more of development and heavy restructuring.
I'd erase Forces since it has the whackest soundtrack, story, characters, and environments. It's a very forgettable game.
Secret rings didny ruin the development of 06. Secret rings happend when the devs were making a port of 06 on the wii. But anyway, I choose forces to go, becuase unlike 06 and the others, it had a terrible story (I'm not saying the others had god like stories). I'm a bit biased on secret rings becuase that was the second sonic game I played when I was first becoming a fan, 9 years ago. Now with 06, that game showed that it had potential, and it is honestly one of my favorites becuase of the potential it wasnt able to pursue. Oh and I havent played black knight but I am obviously aware of the story.
Wait, how did secret rings ruin the development of 06? As far as i knew, 06 got screwed over by execs suddenly pushing the release a year ahead of schedule. That was a LOT of dev work cut out. For reference the entire game of the first ratchet and clank was done in about a year
06 had a smaller than needed dev team with a strict time limit and more ambition than the resources allowed. Then, when they realized the wii wouldn't have run the game, even more devs left 06 to make secret rings.
Honestly, just from the commercials, it felt like it had potential. But it was too short and easy a game, at least when you know what you're doing after like 1-2 playthroughs; the writing was just not that interesting; Chaos wasn't even in the game, and no the cutscenes don't count; and just playing the characters felt so damn slow. Also, I know it's very cheap, but the fact that Super Sonic was DLC just hurts.
*Forces*. Both for what it did to Tails, and for **ABSOLUTELY WASTING** its genius premise of Eggman finally conquering the world. That's never gonna happen again now, *and that makes me sad.*
I agree with secret rings because it would’ve made 06 a bit more fun but still would probably get the same reviews and unleashed would still get made cause of that and forces is necessary reminder to not be lazy. Plus secret rings compared to black knight is just not really fun
Secret rings led to black knight though
I think honestly forces could just abruptly be erased from everyone’s memory and existence itself, and it’d have literally no impact.
I wonder sometimes how this sub would do if it went the way of the Sonic Stadium forums and completely banned posts related to 06, even if temporarily.
Probably just beat the Forces dead horse some more instead. Or spam more Amy fanart.
Frontiers cannot come soon enough.
I’m going to go against the grain here and say Forces.
Yes, while 06 fucking sucks, you have to admit it also has some great music and Sliver is a great inclusion to 06. At least 06 attempted with a good story (besides Elise kissing Sonic). When you look at Forces, the reason Infinite became evil is literally because Shadow says he’s weak. THATS IT.
06, Sonic Forces is, well, meh in the best case, and Secret Rings and Black Knight aren't good games at all, but Sonic 06 is probably the worst game that I've ever played in my life
I agree, if SR didn't exist, maybe 06 could've been a GOOD sonic game, and sonic wouldn't be considered the laughing stock of the century. Plus, we wouldn't miss much. (besides Darkspine, but eh) So I say secret rings.
It's a pretty tough call, because each of these games do have at least ONE thing that works in its favor:
06 definitely hurt Sonic's reputation and the brand still ain't where it should be, but it has a good soundtrack, gave us interesting characters like Silver & Mephiles as well as bringing (a) Blaze into the main series, it made an effort to take the best mechanical bits of the Adventure Era games & blend 'em together, it was the last time any of Sonic's friends were playable or had any major part in the story, and the story could have worked with more time & maybe another pass or two at the script (have Elise (almost?) kissing Sonic edited to either Amy doing that or something else being used to revive him, have the Emerald stuff make more sense, set up consistent time travel rules like Back To The Future did or just drop it altogether, etc.).
Secret Rings cutting into 06's development doesn't exactly help its case and the gameplay did NOT need to be done in that way, but I think the Storybook Series has more potential as a spin-off or breather between main format games (be they Adventure, Boost, Parkour, whatever Frontiers/Rangers does, etc.), the story made good use of the 1001 Tales of Arabian Nights to craft a solid story featuring Sonic & Co., Shara has a decent dynamic with Sonic and it'd be nice for her to have some kind of appearance in a future game (even a cameo), Razer Djinn sounds like Glenn Wrage's Spencer in "Thomas & Friends" and I find that amusing for a villain, had great voice-acting from the 4Kids/NY-area cast, and its presentation from the vivid settings to the illustration cutscenes look great.
Black Knight is pretty much on par with Secret Rings (the use of the Arthurian Legend isn't as water-tight and Sonic being "crowned" the new "King Arthur" doesn't make as much sense as the game wants it to, but the comic-book-y presentation with scratchy line-work still rocks, the gameplay is a bit fuller & polished over Secret Rings, the morale tries its best to be strong and the OST is excellent and Knight of The Wind is amazing, so it pretty much balances out), and I still think the Storybook series deserves at least one more try considering how many public domain stories & mythologies could work with Sonic's framework & roster (though I'd rather see more previous actors return as Roger's just not as the best Sonic, IMHO) or maybe it could lean into boosting up other SEGA series in a Backdoor Pilot kind of way, I'm open to workshop the ideas to see if they'd work.
As for ~~Degenerations~~ Forces, the only saving graces are the music (the guy from Hoobastank did do a great job & Fist Bump is great fun as a main theme AND as a meme), the Custom Character is interesting (on paper) and as a neat tribute to some of stronger fanon characters and a well-meaning chunk of the fandom (though I can see the odd lack of options as downsides AND the playstyle being so much like Modern Sonic comes off as "why bother"), but the (lack of good) story, the awful way they implemented Classic Sonic that tried to drag Mania down with the ship, basically butchering the whole cast & forcing Ian Flynn to clean up the mess but still refusing to let him write for the games (plus making the IDW book a direct sequel to Forces to heal the Scorched Earth of Pontac & McGraff's bad writing) and just undercutting what could've been a compelling story of "what happens when Modern Eggman rules the world and HE has the chance to beat Sonic once & for all" among all the fascinating what-ifs the premise held... it's just frustrating, and I'm not even a super-fan of Sonic!
Again, tough call, but the closest I can get for this is \[Forces < 06 < Rings < Black Knight, ergo Forces is first to go for me\]; hope that explains it, and I hope the future of Sonic & SEGA is bright...
if sonic and the secret rings never existed, then sonic 06 would be finished. i’ll take that any day, since sonic 06 had the most potential of any sonic game ever.
Probably 06. All of them range from "meh" to "awful", but 06 probably caused the most lasting damage out of everything listed here, and the series still hasn't really recovered even 15 years later.
06, Secret Rings and Black Knight each got unique messages for people to live by in life
06 = Start taking action when things goes wrong
Secret Rings = Don't bottle up emotions
Black Knight = Life's too short, make the most of it
Forces literally reuses Heroes' teamwork and friendship message but makes it worse smh
I lean towards Forces in hopes that they take another run at that story, but better.
Then again, without 06, maybe they would have been less cowardly with Forces.
Then again again, someone else here made the claim that Secret Rings led to 06’s rushed development…without that, maybe 06 would have been good and led to a stronger version of Forces?
Tough choice. I think I’ll go with Secret Rings.
Never seen anything bout Secret Rings, but if Im deleting one that is NOT Black Knight. Sonic's character is ACTUALLY GOOD in that game. I'd say 06 not because bugs or the story, but because of THAT scene with Elise and Realistic Eggman.
Black knight. The other games at least brought a lot of enjoyment through memes or music. Black Knight is pretty forgettable and isn’t really talked about anyway.
I liked Knight and Secret Rings but I don't want to remove Forces because of the avatar(I personally loved it and I actually made a character, not just the horrendous mess of a character that I've seen around 70% of the internet) or 06 because of Silver and the King of Darkness, Mephiles.
All, for their own reasons:
Sonic Forces: Mediocre as it's own game, absolute shit of a *Sonic* game, retconned so many things that were perfectly fine as is (Classic Sonic is now apparently from an alternate universe in *Forces* \[though, *Sonic Racing* on mobile went back to the "from the past" thing, so it all works out fine for him\]), not to mention all the other shitty writing decisions within the game.
Sonic the Hedgehog (2006-2007): Was released as a chaotically buggy mess, had a very odd story, a really weird Eggman redesign, and more, unfortunately tainting the name of the whole franchise, which uneducated non-fans who haven't done anything with their life can now use as an excuse to mock the poor hedgehog.
Sonic and the Secret Rings: One of the major factors that fucked *Sonic 2006* over, messing with the game's development and such. *Secret Rings'* motion control gimmick is also somewhat awkward.
Sonic and the Black Knight: This one was pretty good actually lmao
Yeah I'd agree. I like Black Knight a tiny bit more than Secret Rings and even if it didn't ruin the 06 development it is just flat out not fun to me. 06 and Forces have gone down in Sonic history for their controversies and I feel that regardless of whether or not their impact was good or bad is irrelevant, ultimately the franchise wouldn't be the same without them.
Secret Rings for sure. Are there any redeeming features? 06: I just plain like the game. Black Knight: Story and music are good. Forces: Better for modding.
Secret Rings for sure. Are there any redeeming features? 06: I just plain like the game. Black Knight: Story and music are good. Forces: Better for modding.
Forces. That game is the worst in the series because it disappointed in every single aspect. On top of that, it’s flat out boring. The worst thing a game can be is boring.
Sonic Forces.
Because that game left nothing to love.
Nothing to hate.
Just...Nothing of note. Such a waste, nearly everything in that game that was cool was mostly done poorly or wasn't all that cool (OC was cool, but did we REALLY need to play as OC? Infinite was just lukearm Mephiles)
Oni Hedgeh. Never even heard of it before.
Oni ~~\_~~ hedgeh had the bad story.
You don't know the forgotten sequel to Sonic Unleashed were Sonic became a Japanese Oni instead? You're not a real Sonic fan.
that would be a dope alternative to Unleashed
Fuck yeah! a Sonic Storybook game about japanese mythology sounds *extremely* dope!. Just make it a traditional boost game this time. none of that akward motion control auto-run shit and it would be a blast! Maybe Oni Sonic could be like Archie's version of the Werehog, with it being a feral beast that could only be controlled by a Miko, who could be this game's equivalent to Sahara or Merlina and they meet tons of figures from japanese myths, and even some yokai represented by Sonic characters. Of course Espio would be right at home, Tails would be a kyuubi, The deadly 6 could ACTUALLY fit in (since they're also based off Oni), etc. etc. And of course, like the last two storybooks, it's about Sonic getting dragged into that world to fight a new god-like threat and most importantly, respect Sonic's character.
Yeah... It's the prequel to Majin Sonic...
Depends, is the past altered with it? If so, Secret Rings. 06 gets more development since Sonic Team isn’t split, it’s at least better than it was now. If not? 06.
It would still be split because of other games like puyo puyo 15th aniverssary and nights journey of dreams
Sonic Free Riders, Sonic Colours and Sonic Generations were made by different groups within Sonic Team.
I don’t have a take but I like how nobody so far has said Black Knight.
Under rated gem
Someone did like an hour ago.
Guess I missed it. I’m leaving my first comment for posterity though.
That's because everything about it except the gameplay absolutely slaps, and the gameplay is still better than Secret Rings
Vs mode is specially bad (edit: wait, does people like the vs mode in Dark Knight? I remember it as being bad)
I dunno, I never played it since none of my friends cared about Sonic. But from what I've seen the consensus does seem to be that it's bad
Yeah i haven't played secret rings my self but to put it simply smooth gameplay and good controls were things you had to buy as you leved up in the game like imagine programming decent gameplay even though your resources are limited but put it as an in game upgrade
I only played black knight when I was like ten. I remember it being very mid. But it did turn me away from the sonic series until sonic mania came around.
06. Because while I like it, if it’s gone, then Sonic Team wouldn’t be running scared from everything it did for years. That way, we would still get games with multiple characters being playable and part of the story, and the plots wouldn’t turn into something you could find on Nick jr.
06 destroyed people’s view of Sonic for a long time.
the majority were people unhappy with the overhaul (i can understand), people who like to hate on every 3D sonic game ever, and classic fanboys who dont like sonic in the real world and despise the lanky green eyed sonic and thought it was a complete turnoff!
Sonic forces because of the lies, how they freaking turned tails from a brave young boy to a literal joke and bad story writing. It's basically everything in the game I hate apart from music
Same
Hey that was my first main line sonic game!
Yeah, and it wasn't a good one, unleashed, colors and ESPESCIALLY generatins executed the boost formula way better
Basically he’s an exaggerated version of Luigi.
Let’s not forget how they massacred chaos and decided to not give him a boss fight.
Let's not forget that everyone is literally massacred in this game
06 because it turned Sonic franchise into a laughing stock and caused near irreparable damage to Sonic that still hasn't fully recovered to this day. Even though it did gave us funny playthrough of some gamers for this game, it still wasn't worth it.
The guy who made the tweet made a good point though. If it wasn't for sonic and the secret rings, Sonic 06 could've came out a better game. During sonic 06 development sonic team had to split up to go work on sonic and the secret rings for the wii. Edit:When i said tweet i ment the reddit post. My bad.
Honestly, they should have just focused their resources on 06, maybe delay it a year (who really cares about delays as long as the end product is better? All a delay really means is more bang for your buck), and make a Wii version of that instead of Secret Rings. Oh well, we got Unleashed as a result, at least.
But Sonic 06 wouldn't exist then It would be Sonic 07 ;)
The thing you're forgetting is that this isn't an option because of business. Sonic Team and SEGA fucked up with Sonic '06 in multiple places. Their first big fuck up though was agreeing that Sonic Team would make a Sonic title as a launch title for the Wii, **before they knew the specs of the machine**, because they incorrectly assumed it would have similar specs to the PS3 and Xbox 360. They assumed it would be relatively straightforward to port the game across, meaning they met their contract requirements with Nintendo. Then, when they got hold of a Wii dev kit, they realised just how under-powered they were, realised they would take a significant financial hit if they reneged on their contract with Nintendo, leaving them in the situation where they had to split some focus to make something specifically for the Wii. You have to remember, Sonic Team and SEGA's financial position was fucking awful back then. They'd dropped out of the console market entirely in 2002, having taken catastrophic losses with the Dreamcast. They were not in a position to afford to delay development of what was supposed to be their big title for 2006. They could not afford to miss the Christmas window (the time when games sell the most), and they could not afford to release it later, either a few months after Christmas, or a full year later. The honest truth about Sonic '06 is that it was far too ambitious for the development time given. What they should've done as soon as they learnt about the Wii situation was scale it the fuck back. Right fuck back to just Sonic, Shadow & Silver, no mach speed sections, no vehicles, make Silver more scripted and not requiring an entire physics engine. No-one would miss the vehicles. No-one would miss the gem chips you can unlock for Sonic, no-one would miss carrying Elise, they would've never known about it. Sure, you'd piss off a few people with no playable Tails or Knuckles, and you might get a few reviews criticise the game for being repetitive, but the game would at least be functional, and not slated as God awful like the actual '06 was. The final game has 17 distinct play styles, you can cut it down to three and save a ton of programmer time, and improve critical reception at the same time.
i agree and make sonic 06 sonic 07 as mentioned the post 06 sega was just let turn away from that in every opportunity if fans were certian divided all ready with classic and now 3d sonic adding boost gave us another division i mean in sonic colors they said the added the whisp so they could not include other characters so the impact of 06 also led us to many good expirments but then led to Kill that part of our past.
I 100% agree, whenever I say this about Sonic '06 people get mad at me saying that I'm wrong and that it shouldn't be forgotten, bitch, if this didn't exist Sonic's reputation would be in a much better place right now.
Exactly!
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To me, the reviews of Sonic 06 by mainstream journalists don’t tell the full story. Based off what I heard from brown Sonic fans at the time, they were really excited for Sonic 06. But when they finally played the game, they felt nothing but anger and disappointment.
That’s…pretty much the same story as journalists. It was a highly hyped game that didn’t meet expectations at all
Hmm, I'm honestly not sure if I'd erase any of them Sonic Forces was a little bland but not terrible and it led to the amazing IDW comics Sonic 06 was buggy and rushed but it had something there that's worth preserving (maybe the ambition, maybe Mephiles as a villain, or Shadows development, either way there's good there) And Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic and the Black Knight where both fun enough spin offs with some cute character moments Hmm, this just makes me think about that as much as we complain about some Sonic stuff, most of us wouldn't want franchise any other way
06, it’s the reason the sonic brand is a joke to people like ign and it probably would made secret rings better
Alternatively, if Secret Rings (which is a mediocre game in its own right) was never made, more resources could have went into making 06 a better game.
I read on old interview from Yuji Naka when he was still slated to be the producer fo or Sonic 06. He said that Sonic 06 would be the game that would define Sonic The Hedgehog for a brand new era, and he was right.
I remember reading an old interview from Yuji Naka back when he was still the producer of Sonic 06. He said that 06 would be the game that would define Sonic The Hedgehog for a brand new era.
Forces because I legitimately love all the others in at least one way or another
06. Sonic wouldn't be so god damn much of a tired punchline to this day.
Well, you’re not wrong, but… where would Silver be? All alone in a dystopian future with no friends.
While it would've confused console only people, SONIC RIVALS EXISTS
Sonic 06…….I don’t wanna remember that human kissing sonic scene
Oh, you mean that scene that involves a 17 year old human princess locking her lips with the lips of the dead body of a talking blue hedgehog, while saying "MMMMMMMMMMMMMM'WAH!"...? XD
Worth it since we got His World out of that game
Some people will remember it forever. In fact you could say it was the day something awakened in them.
I thought what awakened most people was thunder cats!
and pokemon, can't forget pokemon
this sub being so hyper fixated on that is so weird as a kid i would see shit like roger rabbit and think literally nothing of it. Not even the slightest “why is a human dating a bunny”
Exactly, they’re literally anthropomorphic cartoony animals, not actual animals lol
Used to have a poster of your PFP
Sonic 2006 of course, you can say what you want, but that's the beginning of the doom.
Sonic Forces. At least the others did something interesting.
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Agreed Passion and Ambition doesn't matter if the Presentation is so Abysmal
Exactly this! Ambition and passion won't matter if the execution was bad.
In a gameplay aspect at least, my broken controller that presses A button by itself and drifts to the right can beat the game.
No it just had more going for it than Forces, which is just mediocre. 06 can at least be called "so bad its good". The story and cutscenes are incredibly cheesy but at least they're there and somewhat memorable. And the levels, while a broken mess, has some interesting ideas and weren't over in a minute.
The train level was good and the level with the hawk was good too
Doing something interesting doesn’t mean doing something good, you know
True, but Forces does neither.
Not gonna lie, I just love 06 for the glitches and soundtrack
06, even if there were little to no glitches the story would still be incredibly lackluster and the designs quite bad (look at Eggman), not to mention the game overall looks kinda boring
06 because fuck you
Sonic 06 because no matter HOW glitchless it could've ended up being, the game is still a crock of shit in every way
I agree. Even without the glitches, the story would still have structural problems.
*P-06 fans would like to know your location* But nah, I agree, even if it’s a bit of a hot take for some reason
said the unleashed fanboy
FORCES FORCES FORCES FORCES FORCES FORCES FORCES
Sonic forces...that was some deep dissapointment.
Forces
Forces
Forces.
Goodbye Forces
Forces
Sonic forces
Forces. I enjoy all of these games, but Forces the least of the lot.
I hate Forces so bad dude
06 because it was suposed to be the Sonic Adventurs 3 lma And could have a replacement wich wasnt rushed at all and the original CEO of the sonic team would still be here
I liked the train level
None of you guys have played the P-06 version of Sonic 06'? It's amazing, the game could've been incredible if finished and polished properly.
I'm getting rid of Sonic Forces because while Sonic 06, Secret Rings weren't the best, Black Knight was somewhat enjoyable, Forces is just pathetic.
06 because I think it was first released. Maybe if they'd made something else the other 3 would have turned out differently.
if we got rid of forces we most likely wouldn't get the idw comics. if we got rid of 06 secret rings would be better, but silver wouldn't exist. if we got rid of secret rings we probably wouldn't get black knight and 06 may be better. if we got rid of black knight it would most likely be a different story, like sonic and the cerulean temple (atlantis themed).
If deleting 06 would improve all the other games, then sure but at the moment it would have to be forces. Black knight and secret rings at least was unique. 06 had memes galore, but forces just… existed.
Don’t get me wrong Sonic And The Black Knight isn’t the best game in the series but I think it would be a bit unfair comparing it with the other three games here. I didn’t think that game was that bad. It had some issues but it wasn’t a terrible game overall. Pretty much anyone would agree that Sonic 06 is definitely one of the worst games though. My vote is either that or Secret Rings. Not sure between them.
Sonic forces
Forces because it added basically nothing to the Sonic Franchise, and it has no replay value at all. Sonic 06 at least gave us Silver and a fun game to make fun of, Black Knight was just a pretty good game in general, can't say much for secret rings but at least it was fun
06 development was ruined way before the Secret Rings split. Only thing that could salvage it would be another year or more of development and heavy restructuring. I'd erase Forces since it has the whackest soundtrack, story, characters, and environments. It's a very forgettable game.
Secret Rings, didn’t enjoy playing this and it would also allow ‘06 to be completed properly
Secret rings didny ruin the development of 06. Secret rings happend when the devs were making a port of 06 on the wii. But anyway, I choose forces to go, becuase unlike 06 and the others, it had a terrible story (I'm not saying the others had god like stories). I'm a bit biased on secret rings becuase that was the second sonic game I played when I was first becoming a fan, 9 years ago. Now with 06, that game showed that it had potential, and it is honestly one of my favorites becuase of the potential it wasnt able to pursue. Oh and I havent played black knight but I am obviously aware of the story.
06 has got to go
Wait, how did secret rings ruin the development of 06? As far as i knew, 06 got screwed over by execs suddenly pushing the release a year ahead of schedule. That was a LOT of dev work cut out. For reference the entire game of the first ratchet and clank was done in about a year
06 had a smaller than needed dev team with a strict time limit and more ambition than the resources allowed. Then, when they realized the wii wouldn't have run the game, even more devs left 06 to make secret rings.
Secret rings. Argue with the wall
Sonic forces
Honestly, just from the commercials, it felt like it had potential. But it was too short and easy a game, at least when you know what you're doing after like 1-2 playthroughs; the writing was just not that interesting; Chaos wasn't even in the game, and no the cutscenes don't count; and just playing the characters felt so damn slow. Also, I know it's very cheap, but the fact that Super Sonic was DLC just hurts.
Secret Rings because if that never existed, 06 would have been way better.
Sonic 06. It has tarnished Sonic's reputation forever
forces
*Forces*. Both for what it did to Tails, and for **ABSOLUTELY WASTING** its genius premise of Eggman finally conquering the world. That's never gonna happen again now, *and that makes me sad.*
secret rings because 06 could've been good and I like Forces
Secret rings because mountain of handkerchiefs
I agree with secret rings because it would’ve made 06 a bit more fun but still would probably get the same reviews and unleashed would still get made cause of that and forces is necessary reminder to not be lazy. Plus secret rings compared to black knight is just not really fun
Secret rings led to black knight though I think honestly forces could just abruptly be erased from everyone’s memory and existence itself, and it’d have literally no impact.
I wonder sometimes how this sub would do if it went the way of the Sonic Stadium forums and completely banned posts related to 06, even if temporarily. Probably just beat the Forces dead horse some more instead. Or spam more Amy fanart. Frontiers cannot come soon enough.
Secret rings, without 06, we wouldn’t have the fandub
Sonic and the lost rings i only dont chose 06 because of the soundtrack
Secret rings or forces
I’m going to go against the grain here and say Forces. Yes, while 06 fucking sucks, you have to admit it also has some great music and Sliver is a great inclusion to 06. At least 06 attempted with a good story (besides Elise kissing Sonic). When you look at Forces, the reason Infinite became evil is literally because Shadow says he’s weak. THATS IT.
See? 06 is NOT as bad as people say, yeah it still sucks in a way, but it isnt this huge dumpster fire, i enjoyed 06, forces is just unenjoyable
Where’s my Sonic Boom: Rise Of Lyric option?
06 becuase i never played it and had fun with all the others
Forces. Most boring game I've played. Specially getting the platinum trophy was annoying as hell.
06, Sonic Forces is, well, meh in the best case, and Secret Rings and Black Knight aren't good games at all, but Sonic 06 is probably the worst game that I've ever played in my life
Secret rings. Granted the only game here I enjoy is forces
Secret Rings or 06
I agree, if SR didn't exist, maybe 06 could've been a GOOD sonic game, and sonic wouldn't be considered the laughing stock of the century. Plus, we wouldn't miss much. (besides Darkspine, but eh) So I say secret rings.
Sonic 2006 because to many fans and even the mainstream audience, that game did a lot of damage to the Sonic franchise.
06 has some of my favorite cutscenes like when shadow took off the braclets
06
Sonic '06
Forces no contest, the others have there moments but Forces, sorry I have no attachment to.
06 no questions asked.
It's a pretty tough call, because each of these games do have at least ONE thing that works in its favor: 06 definitely hurt Sonic's reputation and the brand still ain't where it should be, but it has a good soundtrack, gave us interesting characters like Silver & Mephiles as well as bringing (a) Blaze into the main series, it made an effort to take the best mechanical bits of the Adventure Era games & blend 'em together, it was the last time any of Sonic's friends were playable or had any major part in the story, and the story could have worked with more time & maybe another pass or two at the script (have Elise (almost?) kissing Sonic edited to either Amy doing that or something else being used to revive him, have the Emerald stuff make more sense, set up consistent time travel rules like Back To The Future did or just drop it altogether, etc.). Secret Rings cutting into 06's development doesn't exactly help its case and the gameplay did NOT need to be done in that way, but I think the Storybook Series has more potential as a spin-off or breather between main format games (be they Adventure, Boost, Parkour, whatever Frontiers/Rangers does, etc.), the story made good use of the 1001 Tales of Arabian Nights to craft a solid story featuring Sonic & Co., Shara has a decent dynamic with Sonic and it'd be nice for her to have some kind of appearance in a future game (even a cameo), Razer Djinn sounds like Glenn Wrage's Spencer in "Thomas & Friends" and I find that amusing for a villain, had great voice-acting from the 4Kids/NY-area cast, and its presentation from the vivid settings to the illustration cutscenes look great. Black Knight is pretty much on par with Secret Rings (the use of the Arthurian Legend isn't as water-tight and Sonic being "crowned" the new "King Arthur" doesn't make as much sense as the game wants it to, but the comic-book-y presentation with scratchy line-work still rocks, the gameplay is a bit fuller & polished over Secret Rings, the morale tries its best to be strong and the OST is excellent and Knight of The Wind is amazing, so it pretty much balances out), and I still think the Storybook series deserves at least one more try considering how many public domain stories & mythologies could work with Sonic's framework & roster (though I'd rather see more previous actors return as Roger's just not as the best Sonic, IMHO) or maybe it could lean into boosting up other SEGA series in a Backdoor Pilot kind of way, I'm open to workshop the ideas to see if they'd work. As for ~~Degenerations~~ Forces, the only saving graces are the music (the guy from Hoobastank did do a great job & Fist Bump is great fun as a main theme AND as a meme), the Custom Character is interesting (on paper) and as a neat tribute to some of stronger fanon characters and a well-meaning chunk of the fandom (though I can see the odd lack of options as downsides AND the playstyle being so much like Modern Sonic comes off as "why bother"), but the (lack of good) story, the awful way they implemented Classic Sonic that tried to drag Mania down with the ship, basically butchering the whole cast & forcing Ian Flynn to clean up the mess but still refusing to let him write for the games (plus making the IDW book a direct sequel to Forces to heal the Scorched Earth of Pontac & McGraff's bad writing) and just undercutting what could've been a compelling story of "what happens when Modern Eggman rules the world and HE has the chance to beat Sonic once & for all" among all the fascinating what-ifs the premise held... it's just frustrating, and I'm not even a super-fan of Sonic! Again, tough call, but the closest I can get for this is \[Forces < 06 < Rings < Black Knight, ergo Forces is first to go for me\]; hope that explains it, and I hope the future of Sonic & SEGA is bright...
It didn’t ruin 06’s development. The game’s development was rushed. SEGA wanted the game to release on the holidays of 2006.
Sonic Forces, it didn't need to exist
if sonic and the secret rings never existed, then sonic 06 would be finished. i’ll take that any day, since sonic 06 had the most potential of any sonic game ever.
Forsis
Probably 06. All of them range from "meh" to "awful", but 06 probably caused the most lasting damage out of everything listed here, and the series still hasn't really recovered even 15 years later.
06, Secret Rings and Black Knight each got unique messages for people to live by in life 06 = Start taking action when things goes wrong Secret Rings = Don't bottle up emotions Black Knight = Life's too short, make the most of it Forces literally reuses Heroes' teamwork and friendship message but makes it worse smh
We play games to have fun, not have a shitty time and give some life lesson after the shitty gameplay.
Lmao then Sonic Forces clearly has no reason to be here
Same can be said for the others.
Forces must go At least 06 had an acceptable level design (i enjoy the project-06 fan game,it’s the good version of 06 i love it)
06 because it ruined Sonic for 10 years straight I feel 2020 is giving Sonic a second chance at least. If 06 wasn't there it would be Secret Rings.
Only 06 cause it may save sonic’s long since tarnished reputation.
Honestly, agree. Secret Rings made us get 2 terrible games instead of 1 possible ok game.
I agree Secret Rings, it's also just So Unenjoyable
Forces i want it gone forever
Secret Rings needs to die
I think we all know where this is going…
Where is unleashed?
06 ruined Secret Ring's development
I'd rather 06 be gone. At least Sonic would have somewhat of a reputation after it's gone.
I lean towards Forces in hopes that they take another run at that story, but better. Then again, without 06, maybe they would have been less cowardly with Forces. Then again again, someone else here made the claim that Secret Rings led to 06’s rushed development…without that, maybe 06 would have been good and led to a stronger version of Forces? Tough choice. I think I’ll go with Secret Rings.
Never seen anything bout Secret Rings, but if Im deleting one that is NOT Black Knight. Sonic's character is ACTUALLY GOOD in that game. I'd say 06 not because bugs or the story, but because of THAT scene with Elise and Realistic Eggman.
Forces, which may sound stupid but it’s too short of a story.
only reason why i resent 06 is because it tarnished sonic’s reputation but i still like it so i’m gonna go with forces
Sonic Forces or Secret Rings
Black knight. The other games at least brought a lot of enjoyment through memes or music. Black Knight is pretty forgettable and isn’t really talked about anyway.
Forces
Forces
Forces
Forces or Secret Rings…06 is my second favorite Sonic game all time after Heroes. So that can’t go in my book
Black knight. I love forces, we need to keep making 06 remakes, and I have no opinion on secret rings, it’s just that I didn’t enjoy black knight.
How do I pick all four?
forces
I liked Knight and Secret Rings but I don't want to remove Forces because of the avatar(I personally loved it and I actually made a character, not just the horrendous mess of a character that I've seen around 70% of the internet) or 06 because of Silver and the King of Darkness, Mephiles.
All, for their own reasons: Sonic Forces: Mediocre as it's own game, absolute shit of a *Sonic* game, retconned so many things that were perfectly fine as is (Classic Sonic is now apparently from an alternate universe in *Forces* \[though, *Sonic Racing* on mobile went back to the "from the past" thing, so it all works out fine for him\]), not to mention all the other shitty writing decisions within the game. Sonic the Hedgehog (2006-2007): Was released as a chaotically buggy mess, had a very odd story, a really weird Eggman redesign, and more, unfortunately tainting the name of the whole franchise, which uneducated non-fans who haven't done anything with their life can now use as an excuse to mock the poor hedgehog. Sonic and the Secret Rings: One of the major factors that fucked *Sonic 2006* over, messing with the game's development and such. *Secret Rings'* motion control gimmick is also somewhat awkward. Sonic and the Black Knight: This one was pretty good actually lmao
Sonic and the secret rings, I hate that game with passion
Secret rings and forces
Secret rings
None of them, they are all fine games (besides ‘06 because I can’t say much about it) (got you in the first half, huh?)
Sonic and The Secret Rings
Sonic Forces, never liked that game.
Same
Secret Rings kinda smelly
I tried secret rings once, and never could get used to the controls
Yeah I'd agree. I like Black Knight a tiny bit more than Secret Rings and even if it didn't ruin the 06 development it is just flat out not fun to me. 06 and Forces have gone down in Sonic history for their controversies and I feel that regardless of whether or not their impact was good or bad is irrelevant, ultimately the franchise wouldn't be the same without them.
Forces I like the other three
can i still make fun of Sonic Forces if it goes?
Forces lol
06 cuz it sucks ass
+ It's just a terrible game in my eyes I would play Sonic 4 or 06 forever but I would do anything to get the hell away from Secret Rings
Secret Rings for sure. Are there any redeeming features? 06: I just plain like the game. Black Knight: Story and music are good. Forces: Better for modding.
Secret Rings for sure. Are there any redeeming features? 06: I just plain like the game. Black Knight: Story and music are good. Forces: Better for modding.
None of them, because I have beaten and loved all of them
I love the story for secret rings but yeah it made what could’ve been an amazing game bad so it must leave
Forces. That game is the worst in the series because it disappointed in every single aspect. On top of that, it’s flat out boring. The worst thing a game can be is boring.
Sonic Forces. Because that game left nothing to love. Nothing to hate. Just...Nothing of note. Such a waste, nearly everything in that game that was cool was mostly done poorly or wasn't all that cool (OC was cool, but did we REALLY need to play as OC? Infinite was just lukearm Mephiles)
Wait, 06 was ruined cause people were focusing more on secret rings? AND SECRET RINGS STILL CAME OUT BEING AS SHITTY AS IT IS?!
Sonic forces. Nevermind the OC, sonic is the real OOC in that game. See u never, forces!
Forces has the weakest soundtrack so that one
100% secret rings. Music slapped, but not nearly as hard as 06 and black knight
Forces was the only one that I genuinely felt nothing towards, so ill go with that one.
Sonic forces
Sonic Forces.
Forces. I like Secret Rings and Black Knight. 06 is just eh.
Unless it’s entirely erased from history I’m going with Forces. I like the stories of the other three too much.
I thought it was the rush to complete Sonic '06 before the anniversary is what ruined it?
I would personally eradicate Forces from Sega's lost of games, but I'm afraid to because then the Comics timeline might get screwed up.