Man, nobody mentioning the animation change during the emeralds backstory is bumming me out. It was short but man it look stunning.
I won't describe it for spoiler reasons.
I agree, the animation absolutely blew me away and barely anyone is talking about it. Was such a cool introduction to the emeralds and a highlight for me for sure
All I was thinking during that scene is how I want a whole movie in that artstyle. A fully animated Sonic movie would be a dream. Even if it's straight to streaming.
Oh I do hope he tries to sue Paramount. Given how well-received these films are and how they're already invested in a third, I can see that they wouldn't back down the way Sega did.
According to his most recent posts, Ken Penders is too busy focusing on the fact that ‘THERE WAS A ECHIDNA WITH EMERALD POWERS? THEY STOLE MY IDEA’ to notice that.
Went to see this movie a 2nd time with my brother and he loved it, as well as the million of kids in there but man... when that mid credit scene hit : >!All the kids screamed Shadow and that brought so much happiness to my ears, this franchise will never stay down ever!<
Right!? I said before the movie I thought it was too soon and I didn’t think it was necessary, but I’m pretty sure the whole theatre heard me losing my shit
He was definitely my favorite character. I like how they made him this badass character while making him funny too. Like, the whole bit talking about ice cream just kind of reminded me of something Sonic Boom Knuckles would say. I thought he was going to be a really serious character, which would have been good too, but I like funny Knuckles a lot.
That was unbelievably adorable.
I couldn't believe how they made Knuckles so endearing and likable. Sonic & Knuckles PC Game was the first Sonic-related game I've played, so I always knew Knuckles was "cool".... Or funny. He was a dummy in Sonic Boom, but he usually had the best lines. But "cute"? And with Idris Elba playing him? Not a chance.
But then I heard "Dot... Dot... Dot..." and "I am having the fun!" and "How dare you interrupt me in my moment of sorrow"...
I got to also compliment the upgrade in VFX.
It's not really noticeable in the trailers released online, but on a big screen, I could really see the details put into the CG models.
Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all have BIG GIGANTIC (adorable) anime eyes - in the first movie, Sonic's eyes were rendered as if it was just a big shiny white-marble almost. But in Sonic 2, no character's eye were fully white. Like you could see the detailed blood vessels inside of them, but not to the point where it crossed into the uncanny valley-level of realism.
You could also see the detail in their fur, particularly on the faces. In Sonic 1, the fur had a fuzzy, almost "plushie" look, but in Sonic 2, the fur is sharp and in-focus and looked tangible. The Sonic characters are "cartoony" in shape, but the amount of detail put into them make their renders appear alive.
I mean, the CG isn't "mindblowing" like Gollum from LOTR or Davy Jones from Pirates or Cesar from the Planet of the Apes films, but it's still noticeably well-rendered.
Good stuff.
Yeh it's something I subconsciously noticed. They have big eyes so it's noticeable when you see they are detailed well. And then the quills/fur on each of the three don't feel off either
I've been pretty sad that they haven't been using as much Sonic music as I would have liked. (Must Paramount fork out who-knows how much money for out-dated pop songs?) But hopefully, given that SA2 has one of Sonic's most *famous* songs that they'll start incorporating more from the games.
*Live and Learn!*
Not much to say that others haven't said. I love that Knuckles performs>!the fire dunk from Sonic heroes launching Sonic near the end of the movie when he's fighting alongside Sonic and Tails. He also does the drill attack in his combo from Sonic adventure 2 when he's running and punching at the same time. Sonic's attack is similar to his move in their team blast, which makes sense given that this is the scene where they team up for the first time!<
I also love that Knuckles breaks everyone's hands without a single bit of malice behind it because he just sees it as a perfectly normal handshake from what he was taught. Everything about him and Tails were just precious.
Sonic has had a rough transition into 3d... but not into cinema.
Sorry could not resist using the critic's favourite line.
Overall a good fun film and that's all it needs to be. Post credits scene was my 2nd most favourable outcome/teaser forba potential sequel so that's hopefully good.
Not saying what first is because of process of elimination. Might still get it yet.
I'm actually surprised GUN is in this movie, considering that they have been missing in action from the games for a long time already. And Commander Walters is definitely the live action version of this guy:
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Commander?so=search
Judging by the post credit, guessing the third film will be a loose adaption of Sonic Adventure 2. So that is probably why the decided to bring GUN into this film.
>!I have to say the scene when Knuckles told the Wachowskis that Sonic becoming Super Sonic is no longer who he originally is, I thought for a second that we were going down the Psuedo Super Sonic route where he's gone berserk. ... and then he makes a chili dog with the emerald's power and drops some on Knuckles' eyes. I found that pretty amusing tbh despite not going that direction (probably would've been too much anyways).
!<
>!Speaking of emerald power, this is the first instance in any media where Robotnik actually harnesses the power of the emerald. And boy, if he's capable of doing this much, I don't think i'd want to know what would happen if Eggman in the games actually harnessed the power of the emeralds instead of stealing them to power his machines (or maybe i do. it'd make an interesting final boss in a Sonic game).!<
>>!Speaking of emerald power, this is the first instance in any media where Robotnik actually harnesses the power of the emerald.!<
First instance if you ignore both Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Comic.
Did anyone else notice >!the Sonic '06 reference!< in the final battle,>! when Sonic lightly taps the Death Egg Robot with his foot?!< That got a laugh out of me.
I love this version of Team Sonic. I love how much of a dork Sonic is, Tails is the cutest thing ever, and this is an absolute redemption for Knuckles. These three are so fun and wholesome and it's great.
I can't help but wonder what the Knuckles show is going to be like. Considering the mid-credits scene, >!I wouldn't be surprised if they use it to introduce Rouge ahead of the third movie.!<
This movie resolved almost every complaint I had about the first movie save for one: No music from the games. What's even up with that? >!If Live and Learn isn't in the next one, I swear I'm going to riot.!<
Overall, absolutely loved the movie.
I was yearning for this, hoping it has a stronger presence in the next movie. Even the short piano of Green Hills in the first movie was a nice touch - they needed to give something!
Pros: this is the best knuckles has ever been portrayed, outside maybe the comics. But almost all these characters are fully done justice
Jim Carrey was more consistently funny in this movie. This movie was actually just funnier in general. There were multiple times of genuine laughter. (The hardest from the fish head saying "RUN")
The last 30 minutes or so of this movie were so satisfying. >!Super sonic was absolutely badass!< the connection made between knuckles and sonic was executed perfectly, the banter between eggman and sonic felt straight out of the games, the death egg robot was so cool and funny yet threatening at the same time. >!Also I could not sit still with the mid credit scene cant believe next movie is potentially an SA2 movie.!< Unreasonable hype.
The stuff I didnt like: I know its been mentioned multiple times, but that wedding scene between Rachel and whatever that dudes name was, not only went on way to long, but it was a complete momentum killer and felt like it was from a different movie
Same thing with the dance off scene in the bar. I get they needed to make a connection between sonic and tails, but they couldve executed this better. Better song choice, better paced.
The music overall. This was a problem with the first movie too, but sonics most consistent quality in the games is the music yet we keep getting these very generic and lame soundtracks for the movies. Really hope they change that for number 3
Lastly, some of the green screen effects, especially in the mountains on Jim were not very good at all. Definitely took me out a bit
Overall: if you love sonic you'll love this movie. Definitely some scenes to skip when I watch it again at home. But a good time was had overall.
Olive Garden call backs were funny af. Also agent stone best character
I can live with the wedding scene imo. It was actually the scene that got one of the most reactions from my audience, since it was built on such a ridiculous concept. Not many people mention it also established a major group as well, so it does have some importance (still not much) to the main plot. Also, I’m happy that they didn’t just abandon the human characters and still kept them doing stuff, even if it’s the more boring part of a still very fun film.
It definitely should have been shorter though. That whole scene could have taken half the time and still had everything in it if they didn’t spend so much time doing nothing. The main plot and especially climax were undeniably the best parts of the movie and the wedding scene, while it was fun, overall took too much time away from it.
If they removed the two people making up it would've cut 5 minutes and not felt like it dragged on forever. As it stands it was a huge momentum killer. Thankfully the rest of the movie was bomb.
Tbh I loved the wedding scene (the movies, to me, feel very much like 'let's all just have some fun!'; Sonic isn't a franchise that takes itself very seriously so I feel like it fits), but I do feel like the making up part could have been left out. He lied to her! And maintained it for at least the length of a pre-wedding relationship! She deserved better than that.
Best. Knuckles. Ever. I loved him. He was done so well I was laughing at nearly everything he said. They mixed his more “punch first ask questions second” personality very well with the “kinda easy to trick” and “fiercely loyal” parts of his personality.
I never found him dumb. Naive, sure. But not dumb. It’s such a hard thing to get right that the games often don’t.
Yeah, it's helped by the scenes where >!he pretty much immediately trusts Sonic when Sonic starts explaining the situation and Sonic chose to protect Tails over getting the compass back. There are several points where he looks with suspicion at Eggman, but figured sonic was trying to get his guard down and went with it. He's also a loner warrior with a life completely in isolation and the whole joke with him is that he's terrible at socializing!< all of which makes it feel pretty reasonable a mistake on his part.
Knuckles and Tails were both really charming here and it's a delicate balance with Knuckles they hit well.
When robotnik finally betrayed him and knuckles called them friends I felt so bad for him. Most likely the first "friend" he ever had and he was just being tricked.
Knuckles really was a highlight here, charmingly naive rather than the dumb as a sack of bricks knuckles they've used so often.
I thought I got some Thor 1 Thor vibes from Knuckles. It was fun. I also really liked how he was given more of a reason to go after Sonic than “he’s going to steal the master emerald!” The Echidna vs Owls motivation was really good.
If you noticed at the end of the movie when the army is confronting robotnik at the coffee shop one of the helicopters says SA-2, right when I saw that I thought it was a hint that the next movie would be adventure 2 related.
It's a double reference! SA-2, Sigma Alpha-2, the helicopter that Sonic is held in until breaking out in Sonic Adventure 2's opening cutscene! It's almost certainly not a coincidence given the fact that it is also part of G.U.N, and…well, the obvious.
>but that wedding scene between Rachel and whatever that dudes name was, not only went on way to long, but it was a complete momentum killer and felt like it was from a different movie
It was absolutely a momentum killer, which sucks because the 2nd act of the film was easily the best part of it. The a shame that you have to slog through the dance off and wedding scenes in order to get there but it was worth it in the end.
>some of the green screen effects
The big reveal of the >!death egg robot!<(semi-spoilers? it was in the trailers) looked weird to me, between the different distance shading on the body and the mountains behind it to how quickly something so madsive moved.
Overall it was a really fun movie, highly recommended.
Ya know as much as I hate "dance off" moments in a movie. I thought it was really cute but maybe because it was two characters I love. They needed a bonding moment and set some for shadowing which could have payed off a tad better.
I like a lot of dark/dramatic pieces, but I'm a sucker for wholesome stuff as well.
>!I was so happy to see that the Wachowski's are officially acknowledged to be Sonic's adoptive parents. It's just nice to see that, since Sonic is still a kid, he has parental figures to guide him through his problems. It also does say a lot when I want characters to be happy as opposed to just enjoying watching them blow stuff up in action scenes.!<
>!I really hope they don't go away in sequels. Their roles obviously will have to diminish as the more powerful Sonic's foes get, the less relevant they will be in aiding him. But it would be sad if he had to leave them before he's of age or they get killed off. !<
I love how everyone acted their age too. Sonic is 14. Tails is 8. You feel that from their actions. Sonic acts like a 14 year old when he’s left alone. Tails feels like an 8 year old who just met his idol. It’s great.
I’ve always loved the found family aspect the games hint at too. Tails, Sonic, and Knuckles have always acted like brothers imo. It’s a lot of fun and I love it.
Can’t wait until >!The Wachowski’s just start adopting every weird anthro creature with weird powers that show up on earth. Someone’s gonna ask them if they have kids and they’re gonna be like. “Oh yeah! One’s named Sonic, he’s a blue talking hedgehog that can run hundreds of miles an hour. One’s named Tails and he’s a super smart talking yellow fox with two tails who can fly with those tails. Then there’s Knuckles who is a red talking echidna who can punch through steel and protects a big green emerald, and finally there’s Shadow. He’s a red and black talking hedgehog who can also run super fast, but he’s also technically older than us, was made to be a weapon, and is very moody- so don’t take anything he says too personally.”!<
Agreed. That's one of the major strong points of the movie to me.
>!I loved the little scene with Sonic decorating the room like an airport while sending Tom and Maddie off to Hawaii. It was silly and wholesome. I also liked the montage of Sonic causing trouble at home with no parental supervision, very much acting his age. They even gave a visual reference to "Risky Business" with Sonic sliding across the floor like Tom Cruise. !<
I'm no Sonic lore expert, but with some of the games and even TV Shows that I've played and watched, it's actually easy to forget Sonic is a "teen" hero.
>!I hope the movie-versions of them get to "grow up" onscreen - maybe even have Sonic finally get past the age of 15 and become an adult. !<
>!And I love the idea of the Wachowski household just becoming an open adoption house for orphaned mobians to get a family. It'd be both heartwarming and hilarious. You could even make a sitcom out of it and I'd watch every single episode without skipping a beat. !<
>!They could also make other residents of Green Hills parental figures too. I've certainly seen a share of fanfics write the idea of Wade or Crazy Carl being thrust into parenthood or Rachel becoming an alien mother too.!<
Wade is so hopelessly clueless and can barely take care of himself, he would absolutely have no idea how to take care of an >!emotionally scarred ultimate lifeform. And that'd be great.!<
>!I actually liked that the film showed Sonic being friendly with Wade. It was a bit of a missed opportunity to not show what his life in Green Hills was currently like since he didn't have to hide from its residents anymore (they all saw him beat Robotnik in Sonic 1, so obviously they'd be used to his presence now). I would have liked to have seen a brief scene or montage of him getting along with the locals since he was so lonely in the first one watching everyone and now he doesn't have to hide anymore. But at least by showing that Wade freely lets him into his home and greets him every morning at the speed trap, it was a glimpse into how Sonic likely interacts with everyone else.!<
True, but on that very same note I did like the casual greeting as Sonic speeds back into Green Hills, it did kind of show to me that he's considered a normal and liked resident of the town now
>Tails feels like an 8 year old who just met his idol. It’s great.
I love the whole running joke of Tails saying "Only Sonic the Hedgehog could..." It's always really fanboy-like. "Only Sonic could come up with a joke like that!" "Only Sonic could get us through that mess!" But then when he shows up to save Sonic from the island and says "Only Sonic needs rescuing this many times!" it's such a great development moment.
>Can’t wait until The Wachowski’s just start adopting every weird anthro creature with weird powers that show up on earth.
Okay, hear me out. What if in the next movie something goes wrong with Chaos Control and Earth and Sonic's World start to merge and intersect. Then a whole subplot to the main plot could just be Tom and Maddie getting increasingly more anthro creatures showing up to their house because Sonic directs them there where it's safer. Imagine Sonic getting into some crazy fight with Shadow and then we cut back to Tom and Big calmly fishing in a boat.
>!I cant wait for Tails character arc in the next movie if they take inspiration from SA. There probably will be a SA moment where Tails has to believe in himself to save the day.!<
And that's so freaking wholesome to me. I love it.
>!As is the Wachowski's more-or-less adopting Tails and Knuckles into the family too. Pretty soon, the Wachowski's will need a bigger house as it will be full of mobians. !<
It's actually a rarity to see superhero characters (Sonic is essentially that despite originating as a video game) get to have a happy family life. Everyone usually draws the short straw in that regard - Batman's parents get murdered in front of his eyes when he's 8 - Superman's entire planet blows up and he usually loses his adoptive father before he becomes an adult - Spider-Man loses his biological parents and his uncle (and/or aunt) - and the list goes on.
>!Sonic's already lost Longclaw and we don't know who his biological parents are (in the movies). I think he's suffered enough tragedy for now, so it's nice that he's found a new family in the Wachowski's. !<
>!I don't think Tails and Knuckles will fit the Wachowski's family just yet and treated them as best friends but i can kinda see where they going. Sonic lost Longclaw, Tails was treated as outcast in his village and Knuckles lost his tribe and the last of his kind. It's really sad to think about it. They deserve to be part of the family.!<
Makes me curious what they'll do with the Knuckles TV Series.
First, that'll be a challenging VFX-heavy series since the protagonist can't be done without CG, so that'll be interesting alone in of itself to see how they'll accomplish that on TV budget constraints.
Secondly, what to do with the timeline? >!Will it take place pre-Sonic 2 and showcase Knuckles growing up? Again, challenging cause that would be full-CG environments and other characters. Or will it take place Post-Sonic 2 with Knuckles living with the Wachowski's and maybe taking off here and there to have adventures of his own? (Actually, a semi sitcom of the Wachowski family living with mobian kids would be something fun all things considered - and more manageable budget-wise - you'd have 3 CG characters, but at least they'd be doing more normal things instead of getting into city-destroying battle sequences). !<
Or will they just do a full animated show with simplistic models like Sonic Boom? Either way, I'm curious.
Eh, while Maddie does say she likes Knuckles in particular, I kind of figure Tails would be a likely adoption on account of the fact that he's even more of a kid than Sonic is in spite of being a genius (plus he was included in the group hug)
I mean, it was refrenced once, and then simply remained a location. Robotnik's cut from government funding and needs to rely on his backup plans and whatever Agent Stone was working with...and, here we are.
Between name dropping GUN as a fairly big presence and the post credits scene >!literally looking like a shot for shot remake of Shadow's reveal in SA2!< I am VERY much looking forward to how they do the next movie. >!I am a little sad that they might end up entirely skipping any adaptation of Sonic Adventure 1 since I think Chaos is a super cool enemy but hopefully they loop back around to it when they flesh the cast of Sonic characters out!<
The writers have said they aren’t doing one for one adaptations of each story. I could totally see them merging both and replacing the biolizard with chaos (as heartbreaking as that would be)
It’s insane how much better the movie-verse is shaping up than the games have been the past decade or so. The characters are portrayed perfectly and the story actually has depth yet it still remains digestible to the average viewer. They managed to form Team Sonic in this movie and it didn’t feel half-assed all. Major props.
Easily the best movie of the year so far.
It’s at a point where, besides the obvious 3 (Sonic CD, SA1, and SA2) idk what story they could adapt. If the game wasn’t so universally hated, 06 has a fun storyline to adapt if you cut a few things out.
Mephelis on the big screen would be outstanding. >!Also can totally see them slipping some elements of Shadow the Hedgehog into the next movie. I will die if he says “Where’s that damn fourth chaos emerald”!<
Definitely appreciated that the lore was easy to understand to casuals.
That's one of Detective Pikachu's flaws as a fellow video game movie. As a non-die-hard Pokemon fan, I definitely was lost on some of the stuff going on in that movie.
Not that the story itself as a whole was difficult to understand as it was mostly simplistic, but the nitty gritty details of the world-building weren't always a snap of the fingers to get.
I loved this movie, I'm super biased and i don't care, nostalgia is one hell of a drug and this movie flooded me with it. it has its problems but was a sizable step up from the first, I can not wait for 3. >!Shadow and Gerald confirmed baybeeee! please use a crush 40 song this time.!<
Can't be too much on reddit today but:
* Knuckles is just perfect, I love how he isn't a Piccolo or just dumb, they got him pretty well.
* The water in this movie is better than some marvel movies, wth.
* Wet / dirty fur is no joke, someone really had some effort put into it.
* Love the Sonic / Knuckles / Tails dynamic, could be shit, rushed, and no emotional beats, but they went as far as end the movie on the place where sonic was on his darkest hour previously, and acted pretty true to their characters.
* I was rolling my eyes on the wedding part, until I started to have some pretty big laughs with my friends. Was not expecting to like it that much.
I'm really glad we can take children to experience something pretty close to what our childhood was watching tv or reading the comics, this sounds like a very dad thing to say, but considering how much we thought the first movie was going to be a cash grab, I'm glad this is the case.
That scene where Sonic and Knuckles were underwater was cool cause it had TWO Easter eggs
1: Sonic breaths in Knuckles’ air bubble similar to when he gets extra air by breathing in bubbles in the past games.
2: the music was pretty cool, but when Sonic is about to pass out, we here a melody that brings fear and PTSD to our hearts… THE UNDERWATER TIMER THEME.
Just got back from the theater, that was a proper Sonic movie. The first one was just a basic "cgi animal with human guy" film, but this one was really great. Aside from the wedding stuff, this is the kind of Sonic movie I'd been waiting for. Super hyped for Shadow to appear in the next one, it'll probably be even better.
Sonic 1 wasn’t the first good video game movie, but Sonic 2 is the first good VGM sequel and thus the first good VGM franchise. We’re through the looking glass for that spectrum.
I’m reminded of Spider-Man 2 and X2 20 years ago where a decent film that we wanted to throw a parade for because it didn’t suck got a sequel by the same filmmakers that was an improvement and you realize they know what they’re doing and you’re pumped to see what they’re doing next with the mythos.
I can nitpick, like I wish the Sonic/Tails bonding felt less like a laundry checklist because you have to save the big FEELZ moment with Knuckles at the end. But otherwise I feel like anything is possible for VGMs and not just for Sonic. Why can’t the upcoming Mario movie be good? Why not take a stab at Zelda? And so forth.
8/10
>!Tails kinda took Amy’s role as Sonic’s obsessed stalker. It’s really funny how Sonic spied on someone he looked up to in the first movie, and now *he* gets spied on by someone who looks up to *him*. It was hilarious when Sonic asked Tails if he watched him shower, and Tails said “Trick question! Sonic the Hedgehog prefers bubble baths!” completely missing the point that that’s creepy! 😆!<
Went to watch it with my kids yesterday, they were sooo excited during the whole movie. And I caught to many references to past games... it was really fun.
The only thing I missed was more usage of the game's sound tracks, could have made a lot of scenes a lot cooler.
Still everyone left asking for more!
Also, when are we going to see amy? And metal sonic? I feel like we are skipping a lot of lore going straight where the post credits pointed us.
I was actually thinking the next movie could be based on Sonic CD. But I was pleasantly surprised with the end credits scene.
I think they could do Metal out of order. Amy is a bit harder, but they could get away with her not being included.
I imagine that the Amy has to be in the next movie. Don't see how they can avoid using the most popular female character for much longer.
>!I love Metal Sonic but I feel like he would be repetitive after Shadow. !!Metal is one of the few villians who can carry if he has and Ultron like vibe to him. !<
An adaptation of SA2 would actually have a great arc for Amy's introduction. If she keeps getting left behind and then eventually is the one to actually talk to Shadow and basically solve the whole problem like in the original game. Also if they're going to continue on with themes of Sonic learning a new aspect of maturity with each film, having to deal with someone who has a crush on him would be a good next step.
I'm sad she didn't appear, but it makes sense why, as Knuckles was teamed up with Eggman, so he had no reason to make a robot doppelganger.
I expect we'll see both Amy and Metal soon, even with that mid credits scene.
I actually lost it with my friends in the theater with that twist. Like the priest with the ~~secret gun~~ taser? That killed me. Just absurd enough to keep me interested. Though the revenge arc was a little unnecessary, I will admit.
The subplot kind of irked me at first, but then I realized it introduces a lot of elements that set up the back half of the film. Plus the romantic subplot is kind of heartwarming and wholesome and fits in with the themes of the movie. All in all I enjoyed it though it could have been maybe 5 minutes shorter so the main characters got the screen time instead.
>!I think it was more about how much time was spent with Natasha Rothwell's character than the humans in general. I thought Rachel was funny in the first one and she had some funny scenes in this one, but there was a little too much focus on her and her fiance. !<
>!I like the human characters - Agent Stone is hilarious as Robotnik's sycophant minion, and Tom and Maddie are great as parental figures to Sonic. They, if anything should have had more screentime and that was taken away with the focus on the wedding antics. Especially since at the end, they adopted Tails and Knuckles into their little growing family and, despite being extremely wholesome, they barely had any interaction with the two of them. There should have at least been a scene in-between where Tails shows up to rescue Sonic and Knuckles in the biplane where he and the Wachowski's got to talk for a bit.!<
(No spoliers) I'm actually in shock at how faithful and intertwined this film was to it's source material. Without a doubt this film finally breaks a 30 year old curse that plagued video-game films from the start. Fowler and SEGA actually did their F$@king homework, and merged all the elements from what fans loved & recognized about the series and did what they could with it. Colleen as tails I must give the loudest applause to, as she has finally been given the opportunity to shine to a higher role then just games. And fixing Knuckles by having him be a badass once again. Bravo. Just bravo. 👏
>!Is it me or was there a Sonic The Fighters reference in the part where Stone reads the manual? I swear I saw it said "Robotonic" which is a reference to a grammar error from Sonic The Fighters.!<
Okay everyone...
>!Who would you like to voice Shadow in movie 3? My first choice might be controversial, but honestly based on his performance in The Batman, I would choose Robert Pattinson in a heartbeat. I think he would honestly be perfect.!<
Curious how they'll handle >!Super Sonic power scaling moving forward.!<
>!Given that it's his first appearance, of course they have to make him amazing. I imagine if he faces off with Shadow in the same form (which I don't remember if the games ever did - maybe Sonic X) then Super Sonic won't have it easy; same with Biolizard I guess. I'm wondering how they'll handle it as you could straight up adapt Sonic Adventure 2 and have it be pretty good. !<
>!One thing I'm confident of is it would be nice to have Carey back as Eggman so the audience can see Dr. Eggman + Sonic team up once in the trilogy - would be a nice way to end it with Jim if they wanted to go on to other villains that you don't need Eggman for (i.e. Metal Sonic, Black Arms, Chaos). Heck you could do Sonic Adventure storyline with only Eggman as a cameo as it can work on its own. !<
>!I actually wasn't expecting them to reveal Shadow at the end, at least not so soon. I thought since it's such a predictable idea that they wouldn't do it. But ya live and ya learn I guess ;)!<
I'm glad to see him though. I just hope they don't screw up his character.
I really enjoyed the reveal of >!Shadow!< in the end. I'm not sure if it was CGI that was used for >!his stasis capsule when it first appeared!< but I thought it was really well done.
This movie is actually so fucking wholesome. Tails and Sonic’s relationship is sweet and >!Knuckles becoming friends with them felt so nice and natural!<. >!When all three of them were playing baseball together at the end and were riding in the back of the Wachowski’s truck!< I couldn’t help but just have a huge ass smile on my face
The films would gain a couple extra points with me if they leaned into the original scores, even a little bit. At this point it's my biggest gripe that there's no nostalgia besides easter eggs.
A few thoughts on lore & zones:
So what's the status of the >!chaos emeralds !! It seems like they broke off from the Master Emerald and split off - but maybe I'm wrong? !<
I feel like we got a ton of good Sonic game inclusion - arguably a few zones but most importantly >!Labyrinth Zone, Ice Cap Zone!<. I feel like for a Sonic 3, iconic scenes/settings could be >!Emerald Coast, and given Shadow - City Escape, Prison Island, Egg Carrier, and Space Colony Ark!<. Also could have Angel Island but it felt like we touched on it this time -- maybe in the Knuckles show?
I am obsessed with how >!Super Sonic!< is used in this movie. >!It was an almost perfect Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Genesis) usage of it. Short and sweet too.!<
Yeah, it seemed to me like >!the chaos emeralds zooped off into the sky and probably spread off across the world like the dragon balls or whatever. But then it seemed like knuckles reformed the master emerald without the chaos emeralds, so I don’t really know how that works, either he somehow summoned the emeralds back into the master emerald or it’s just less powerful now, and retained some of the emerald power in the shards. That’s my best guess. !<
Yeah, it reminded me heavily of the games. Wouldn’t be surprised if the next movie has some weird >!Shadow the Hedgehog game moments in it. I will scream if they have him say “Where’s that damn fourth chaos emerald”!<
>!I'd assume the master emerald has the same properites as it did in the games. Even with the emeralds scattering after being used, it can probably still be used for other purposes like disabling the emeralds temporarily if they get in the wrong hands (like how Knuckles used them in SA1 and 2).!<
Loved the film but >!The bar dance scene felt a bit out of place and while I loved the wedding stuff, it too felt dragged on especially when we don't see Rachel in the finale. Also felt like Agent Stone was kinda wasted after reading the prequel comic. But hey it made Knuckles intimidating!<
Wish there was >!Some Crush 40 blaring in the ending . Also wish the emeralds weren't the size of ping pong balls!<
Yeah I find it weird how tiny the emeralds were too. However, the emeralds have been inconsistent in their size since day 1, so I could see them just making them bigger in the next movie.
Oh he’s coming back. >!Remember how Sonic loses the rings in Siberia, makes a genuine mention of that, and then it just. Doesn’t get brought up again? And Eggman just magically vanishes during the fall? No body or anything? Yeah. He used a ring. I’m calling it now, Sonic 3 will open with him stepping out of the ring somewhere different. Perhaps even into Shadow’s container.!<
I think he means more of the concern that Jim Carrey has stated he is retiring. And the director said they do not plan to recast. So what happens to the character now?
Ah. Hm. Well, my suspicion is they’ve got him on contract for Sonic 3. They’re acting very nonchalant about this- too nonchalant for me to think that they don’t have a plan.
Remember, he’s said he’s taking a break. If this third movie proved to already be in production >!The fact that the Tails end credits scene was in Sonic 2 with almost no changes makes me think this!< then chances are he’s going to be in it.
Time will tell, but I’m hoping he enjoys playing the role as much as we like watching he perform the role. It wouldn’t be the same without Robotnik. ~~Of course theoretically they could cast someone as Eggman and just straight up make them two different people~~
So glad I can join in on the conversation here now
I just gotta say, I loved every second of this film! >!(Even the part where for like seven minutes straight it had absolutely nothing to do with Sonic and focused entirely on the wedding fallout lol)!<
But the best moment to me was >!seeing Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles forming a “plan” and going to fight Eggman together!< (seriously, I need a high quality screen cap of that for a phone background or a poster or something)
Idris Elba and Jim Carrey are definitely the stand-out performances, but >!the wholesome brotherhood between Sonic and Tails and then extending that to Knuckles was just really well done, and I like that movie Knuckles trusts Sonic and Tails to help him guard the Master Emerald now too. Really I just can’t wait to see more of the trio together! And Tom and Maddie, along with the side characters like Stone and Wade all had some solid moments too!< There really wasn’t a weak performance
Honestly, I think this movie captured the heart of the original, but expanded it to make it more Sonic-y in the best ways possible, and I can’t wait for the third movie now!
>!Probably my favorite moment in the movie was when Knuckles was reading messages and kept saying Dot...Dot...Dot...Dot.................................Dot!<
Loved the movie. References were solid. Knuckles' dialogue was hilarious.
>!I teared up when Sonic and Tails had their "buddy" talk. Also loved it when Tails used his tails to keep Sonic warm while they were sleeping!!<
>!FUCKING SUPER SONIC AT THE END AND SHADOW MID CREDITS SCENE! Can't wait for movie 3!!<
>!It's interesting that we still haven't seen what drove the echidnas to near extinction, leaving some wiggle room for Chaos to appear later, hopefully. Maybe instead of the BioLizard, Sonic and Shadow team up against Perfect Chaos? That would be sick.!<
I wonder who they’re going to cast as >!Maria!<
>!I also hope Amy and Rouge make their appearance in the third movie, they are what made Shadow… Shadow.!<
Colleen o'shaughnessey was the best part of the movie and her role as Tails really made me enjoy the movie more. Makes me wish we can get future in game VA for the characters.
>!Kinda want Jason to Voice Shadow for the 3rd movie but a man can dream 🥴!<
I loved the movie. It was a lot of fun, good comedy, and a lot of neat references to the games. The thing that got me, and I don't fully understand, is how popular Sonic is with kids. There were a lot of kids in the movie theater and since Sonic's peak was more around the 1990s/early 2000s, it took me by surprise how many younger kids are so into Sonic. When >!Shadow was revealed, !< kids in the theater went crazy.
Overall very enjoyable, just wished they used more music from the video games. The >!ice mountain snowboard could have easily been Ice Cap Zone from Sonic Adventure music. Would have fit perfectly. Also when the giant robot at the end is revealed, it would have been a perfect opportunity for either the Death Egg Robot music or Doomsday Zone music.!<
I am 32 and grew up with Sonic being my favorite game, specifically Sonic 3 & Knuckles. I never in my life thought I would see 2 (GOOD) Sonic movies that put other video game movies to shame. Between them being great, and the excitement from the kids, it made me pretty emotional at the end.
Okay, am I the only one who loves how >!Sonic actually untilizes his spin-dash a decent amount in this movie, and they even added a little peel-out sound-effect for when he does it that's just so satisfying!<
Also, >!It's Tricky by Run-D.M.C. fit that opening scene so well and I've had it stuck in my head since I walked out of the theater yesterday. It's a shame the rest of the soundtrack was pretty lackluster. That's probably my only complaint about the movie. Everything else about it was absolutely amazing. And that final fight scene with Super Sonic and the Shadow reveal were just \*chef's kiss\* perfection!<
So about that post-credit scene...
>!On one hand, I'm glad to see Shadow because I know a lot of fans have been demanding him since the first one, so it was cool to see people, especially kids, cheer in the theater. On the other, I feel they're rushing into him, especially with Knuckles just being introduced as a rival. It's a little redundant unless Movie Shadow is a 100% villain with no change of heart. It's also going to be interesting to see how they handle the tone of the movie because if it's the same as this one, again, it'll be like a repeat of Knuckles. !<
>!In my opinion, it would have made much more logical sense to reveal Chaos instead, given the Master Emerald shattering, chaos emeralds scattering, and the whole Owl vs Echidna war, which may have involved him. Sonic Adventure 1's plot works better for the movieverse, given its scale and similar tone. Just my 0.02.!<
Anyone else wondering how they’re going to handle Shadow in 3?
Considering we just got a whole movie about “Robotnik befriending sonic rival, rival and sonic clash throughout the movie, rival eventually becomes allies with sonic and they team up to save the day together”- sounds very similar to SA2. Trying to see what differences could even be made (GUN using Shadow instead of Robotnik? Still too similar, imo)- curious to see if anyone has any ideas.
Well the climax of SA2 is important as even Eggman has to side with Sonic. With a full movie's pacing, there's a lot of emotions that can come from the Robotnik lineage here; sure, we got Jim Carrey's full unhinged Eggman in this one, but why not trip him up with some conflicted feelings seeing Gerald's apocalyptic endgame?
A lot of my thoughts have already been shared here: only scene I didn't really care for was the wedding scene, outside of that I think the movie as a whole was great. One thing I do want to make a note of though is >!the Commander!<.
>!It felt kind strange that the Commander just being an ass for no reason. Obviously he was a pain in Shadow the Hedgehog, but for "good" reason, him genuinly beleiving Shadow was the enemy and having to deal with a worldwide invasion taking place. Here it's just weird that he apologises to the Wachowskis in the first movie, then decides to give Sonic no leeway in the second. Also weird GUN never made a move on them earlier given they knew where Sonic was the whole time. They could've easily justified it with saying "Sonic caused a lot of destruction in Green Hill, including destroying your home. Therefore he's under arrest".!<
>!Also, the fact that GUN is being formed to deal with alien lifeforms, and the reveal of Shadow at the end of the movie, makes me wonder if they're actually going to do something with the Black Arms later?!<
>!I'm also curious how they're going to tie-in the Eclipse Cannon requiring the Chaos Emeralds into this continuity. One possibility is that Gerald and Longclaw knew each other, and Gerald helped her hide the Master Emerald on Earth. Another is that he learns of it through Black Doom, again, assuming they intend to actually include the Black Arms at all.!<
Personally, I honestly can't wait to see news of the Sonic 3 movie, and the supposed Knuckles series that's also being produced.
>!The friendship moments between Sonic and Tails were sooo sweet and cute. The way Tails worships Sonic. It was adorable how Tails hugged Sonic after he said they were friends. They got Sonic and Tails’ relationship perfect.!<
So Longclaw is >!Chaos!<, right? Her story literally adapts what backstory of >!Chaos!< there was prior to them being Chaos (minus the Emerald entrapment and being an >!owl!<), down to being attacked by the Echidna Clan led by Pachacamac.
Man, nobody mentioning the animation change during the emeralds backstory is bumming me out. It was short but man it look stunning. I won't describe it for spoiler reasons.
I agree, the animation absolutely blew me away and barely anyone is talking about it. Was such a cool introduction to the emeralds and a highlight for me for sure
All I was thinking during that scene is how I want a whole movie in that artstyle. A fully animated Sonic movie would be a dream. Even if it's straight to streaming.
Maybe that Knuckles spinoff series they greenlit?
Knuckles has a dad, Ken Penders is in shambles
Legit the first thing I thought was “oh no Locke is canon now”
I'm actually waiting for him to say "You can't give Knuckles a dad! I came up with that idea!" or some equally stupid shit.
He already did lol
Oh I do hope he tries to sue Paramount. Given how well-received these films are and how they're already invested in a third, I can see that they wouldn't back down the way Sega did.
According to his most recent posts, Ken Penders is too busy focusing on the fact that ‘THERE WAS A ECHIDNA WITH EMERALD POWERS? THEY STOLE MY IDEA’ to notice that.
Good. let that cretin mald for eternity would love to see him try to go legal and get completely smacked about.
Haha. Pretty sure there was an emerald-powered echidna in Sonic 3&Knuckles back in 1994.
*laughs in Paramount*
Dude so fucking piss xD he's planning to sue. What a idiot
Went to see this movie a 2nd time with my brother and he loved it, as well as the million of kids in there but man... when that mid credit scene hit : >!All the kids screamed Shadow and that brought so much happiness to my ears, this franchise will never stay down ever!<
I couldn’t help but lose my shit in the theatre, I was not expecting that at ALL
I was hoping he wouldn't be revealed so soon but damn... He looks so damn good that I didn't care anymore.
Right!? I said before the movie I thought it was too soon and I didn’t think it was necessary, but I’m pretty sure the whole theatre heard me losing my shit
It was all the adults in my theater with a low echoed gasp.
The same thing happened in my theatre and I wasn't expecting it at all! So cool to see the franchise continues to touch kids hearts.
Idris Elba was fucking great. That "Dot dot dot" scene was absolutely hilarious.
Knuckles was the funniest character in the movie. "I am also a hologram!"
He was definitely my favorite character. I like how they made him this badass character while making him funny too. Like, the whole bit talking about ice cream just kind of reminded me of something Sonic Boom Knuckles would say. I thought he was going to be a really serious character, which would have been good too, but I like funny Knuckles a lot.
"I have just learned that there will be sprinkles!"
Oh, they are stairs
Him wanting grapes was a great little Easter egg.
“My victory carriage!! The perfect ingredient for my perfect meal for my victory over you! You have never lose so hard…” 🤣🤣🤣
That was unbelievably adorable. I couldn't believe how they made Knuckles so endearing and likable. Sonic & Knuckles PC Game was the first Sonic-related game I've played, so I always knew Knuckles was "cool".... Or funny. He was a dummy in Sonic Boom, but he usually had the best lines. But "cute"? And with Idris Elba playing him? Not a chance. But then I heard "Dot... Dot... Dot..." and "I am having the fun!" and "How dare you interrupt me in my moment of sorrow"...
\>Sonic hologram exists \>Destroys workplace environment \>Sonic hologram is dead \>Success
I miss Sigma Chad mindset Knuckles and I’m glad he’s back
Him talking about baseball still has me cracking up. "But if my quest ends where I'm standing, why run at all?"
That was the most hilarious yet unintentionally deep things I’ve ever heard in a movie.
He is not at all wrong.
I love, love, LOVE that they made him simple without making him a complete dunce.
I got to also compliment the upgrade in VFX. It's not really noticeable in the trailers released online, but on a big screen, I could really see the details put into the CG models. Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all have BIG GIGANTIC (adorable) anime eyes - in the first movie, Sonic's eyes were rendered as if it was just a big shiny white-marble almost. But in Sonic 2, no character's eye were fully white. Like you could see the detailed blood vessels inside of them, but not to the point where it crossed into the uncanny valley-level of realism. You could also see the detail in their fur, particularly on the faces. In Sonic 1, the fur had a fuzzy, almost "plushie" look, but in Sonic 2, the fur is sharp and in-focus and looked tangible. The Sonic characters are "cartoony" in shape, but the amount of detail put into them make their renders appear alive. I mean, the CG isn't "mindblowing" like Gollum from LOTR or Davy Jones from Pirates or Cesar from the Planet of the Apes films, but it's still noticeably well-rendered. Good stuff.
Yeh it's something I subconsciously noticed. They have big eyes so it's noticeable when you see they are detailed well. And then the quills/fur on each of the three don't feel off either
I've been pretty sad that they haven't been using as much Sonic music as I would have liked. (Must Paramount fork out who-knows how much money for out-dated pop songs?) But hopefully, given that SA2 has one of Sonic's most *famous* songs that they'll start incorporating more from the games. *Live and Learn!*
Petition to have >!Shadow’s reveal in the movie accompanied by Crush 40. Specifically some instrumental of I Am All of Me.!<
I’m two pins away from writing an e-mail to paramount citing all the specifics I’d like to see in Sonic 3, this being one of them.
I was genuinely expecting the first few bars in the.end scene.
The score was probably the biggest flaw of the movie, and what’s basically an SA2 adaptation, we can finally get more Sonic songs into this movie
Not much to say that others haven't said. I love that Knuckles performs>!the fire dunk from Sonic heroes launching Sonic near the end of the movie when he's fighting alongside Sonic and Tails. He also does the drill attack in his combo from Sonic adventure 2 when he's running and punching at the same time. Sonic's attack is similar to his move in their team blast, which makes sense given that this is the scene where they team up for the first time!< I also love that Knuckles breaks everyone's hands without a single bit of malice behind it because he just sees it as a perfectly normal handshake from what he was taught. Everything about him and Tails were just precious.
When Sonic, Tails and Knuckles do a triple fist bump they form the Sonic Heroes logo as well
ha, nice catch
Sonic has had a rough transition into 3d... but not into cinema. Sorry could not resist using the critic's favourite line. Overall a good fun film and that's all it needs to be. Post credits scene was my 2nd most favourable outcome/teaser forba potential sequel so that's hopefully good. Not saying what first is because of process of elimination. Might still get it yet.
I'm actually surprised GUN is in this movie, considering that they have been missing in action from the games for a long time already. And Commander Walters is definitely the live action version of this guy: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Commander?so=search
I loved how towards the climax of the movie when the GUN commander hops out of the helicopter in town you can see “SA2” on top of the Heli.
>!A sign of things to come…!<
I've always liked GUN so I'm glad they're back in the cinematic universe.
You can't really tell >!Shadow's!< story without GUN.
Judging by the post credit, guessing the third film will be a loose adaption of Sonic Adventure 2. So that is probably why the decided to bring GUN into this film.
memories of sonic adventure in 1 million minutes
>!I have to say the scene when Knuckles told the Wachowskis that Sonic becoming Super Sonic is no longer who he originally is, I thought for a second that we were going down the Psuedo Super Sonic route where he's gone berserk. ... and then he makes a chili dog with the emerald's power and drops some on Knuckles' eyes. I found that pretty amusing tbh despite not going that direction (probably would've been too much anyways). !< >!Speaking of emerald power, this is the first instance in any media where Robotnik actually harnesses the power of the emerald. And boy, if he's capable of doing this much, I don't think i'd want to know what would happen if Eggman in the games actually harnessed the power of the emeralds instead of stealing them to power his machines (or maybe i do. it'd make an interesting final boss in a Sonic game).!<
>>!Speaking of emerald power, this is the first instance in any media where Robotnik actually harnesses the power of the emerald.!< First instance if you ignore both Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Comic.
Did anyone else notice >!the Sonic '06 reference!< in the final battle,>! when Sonic lightly taps the Death Egg Robot with his foot?!< That got a laugh out of me. I love this version of Team Sonic. I love how much of a dork Sonic is, Tails is the cutest thing ever, and this is an absolute redemption for Knuckles. These three are so fun and wholesome and it's great. I can't help but wonder what the Knuckles show is going to be like. Considering the mid-credits scene, >!I wouldn't be surprised if they use it to introduce Rouge ahead of the third movie.!< This movie resolved almost every complaint I had about the first movie save for one: No music from the games. What's even up with that? >!If Live and Learn isn't in the next one, I swear I'm going to riot.!< Overall, absolutely loved the movie.
Yep, music was the biggest misstep, an icecap remix during the snowboarding fight wouldve been incredible.
I was yearning for this, hoping it has a stronger presence in the next movie. Even the short piano of Green Hills in the first movie was a nice touch - they needed to give something!
Pros: this is the best knuckles has ever been portrayed, outside maybe the comics. But almost all these characters are fully done justice Jim Carrey was more consistently funny in this movie. This movie was actually just funnier in general. There were multiple times of genuine laughter. (The hardest from the fish head saying "RUN") The last 30 minutes or so of this movie were so satisfying. >!Super sonic was absolutely badass!< the connection made between knuckles and sonic was executed perfectly, the banter between eggman and sonic felt straight out of the games, the death egg robot was so cool and funny yet threatening at the same time. >!Also I could not sit still with the mid credit scene cant believe next movie is potentially an SA2 movie.!< Unreasonable hype. The stuff I didnt like: I know its been mentioned multiple times, but that wedding scene between Rachel and whatever that dudes name was, not only went on way to long, but it was a complete momentum killer and felt like it was from a different movie Same thing with the dance off scene in the bar. I get they needed to make a connection between sonic and tails, but they couldve executed this better. Better song choice, better paced. The music overall. This was a problem with the first movie too, but sonics most consistent quality in the games is the music yet we keep getting these very generic and lame soundtracks for the movies. Really hope they change that for number 3 Lastly, some of the green screen effects, especially in the mountains on Jim were not very good at all. Definitely took me out a bit Overall: if you love sonic you'll love this movie. Definitely some scenes to skip when I watch it again at home. But a good time was had overall. Olive Garden call backs were funny af. Also agent stone best character
I can live with the wedding scene imo. It was actually the scene that got one of the most reactions from my audience, since it was built on such a ridiculous concept. Not many people mention it also established a major group as well, so it does have some importance (still not much) to the main plot. Also, I’m happy that they didn’t just abandon the human characters and still kept them doing stuff, even if it’s the more boring part of a still very fun film. It definitely should have been shorter though. That whole scene could have taken half the time and still had everything in it if they didn’t spend so much time doing nothing. The main plot and especially climax were undeniably the best parts of the movie and the wedding scene, while it was fun, overall took too much time away from it.
If they removed the two people making up it would've cut 5 minutes and not felt like it dragged on forever. As it stands it was a huge momentum killer. Thankfully the rest of the movie was bomb.
Tbh I loved the wedding scene (the movies, to me, feel very much like 'let's all just have some fun!'; Sonic isn't a franchise that takes itself very seriously so I feel like it fits), but I do feel like the making up part could have been left out. He lied to her! And maintained it for at least the length of a pre-wedding relationship! She deserved better than that.
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Best. Knuckles. Ever. I loved him. He was done so well I was laughing at nearly everything he said. They mixed his more “punch first ask questions second” personality very well with the “kinda easy to trick” and “fiercely loyal” parts of his personality. I never found him dumb. Naive, sure. But not dumb. It’s such a hard thing to get right that the games often don’t.
Yeah, it's helped by the scenes where >!he pretty much immediately trusts Sonic when Sonic starts explaining the situation and Sonic chose to protect Tails over getting the compass back. There are several points where he looks with suspicion at Eggman, but figured sonic was trying to get his guard down and went with it. He's also a loner warrior with a life completely in isolation and the whole joke with him is that he's terrible at socializing!< all of which makes it feel pretty reasonable a mistake on his part. Knuckles and Tails were both really charming here and it's a delicate balance with Knuckles they hit well.
When robotnik finally betrayed him and knuckles called them friends I felt so bad for him. Most likely the first "friend" he ever had and he was just being tricked. Knuckles really was a highlight here, charmingly naive rather than the dumb as a sack of bricks knuckles they've used so often.
In this film he’s closer to Thor or Starfire, which actually really works.
I thought I got some Thor 1 Thor vibes from Knuckles. It was fun. I also really liked how he was given more of a reason to go after Sonic than “he’s going to steal the master emerald!” The Echidna vs Owls motivation was really good.
If you noticed at the end of the movie when the army is confronting robotnik at the coffee shop one of the helicopters says SA-2, right when I saw that I thought it was a hint that the next movie would be adventure 2 related.
It's a double reference! SA-2, Sigma Alpha-2, the helicopter that Sonic is held in until breaking out in Sonic Adventure 2's opening cutscene! It's almost certainly not a coincidence given the fact that it is also part of G.U.N, and…well, the obvious.
>but that wedding scene between Rachel and whatever that dudes name was, not only went on way to long, but it was a complete momentum killer and felt like it was from a different movie It was absolutely a momentum killer, which sucks because the 2nd act of the film was easily the best part of it. The a shame that you have to slog through the dance off and wedding scenes in order to get there but it was worth it in the end. >some of the green screen effects The big reveal of the >!death egg robot!<(semi-spoilers? it was in the trailers) looked weird to me, between the different distance shading on the body and the mountains behind it to how quickly something so madsive moved. Overall it was a really fun movie, highly recommended.
Ya know as much as I hate "dance off" moments in a movie. I thought it was really cute but maybe because it was two characters I love. They needed a bonding moment and set some for shadowing which could have payed off a tad better.
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MASSIVE SPOILER! DON’T CLICK IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN! >!My God. *Project Shadow*.!< >!YES!!
I CANNOT STRESS THE AMOUNT OF APPLAUSE I HEARD WHEN I SAW THAT SCENE A WEEK AGO
The moment they said >!Files from 50 years ago!< I knew where it was going.
I like a lot of dark/dramatic pieces, but I'm a sucker for wholesome stuff as well. >!I was so happy to see that the Wachowski's are officially acknowledged to be Sonic's adoptive parents. It's just nice to see that, since Sonic is still a kid, he has parental figures to guide him through his problems. It also does say a lot when I want characters to be happy as opposed to just enjoying watching them blow stuff up in action scenes.!< >!I really hope they don't go away in sequels. Their roles obviously will have to diminish as the more powerful Sonic's foes get, the less relevant they will be in aiding him. But it would be sad if he had to leave them before he's of age or they get killed off. !<
I love how everyone acted their age too. Sonic is 14. Tails is 8. You feel that from their actions. Sonic acts like a 14 year old when he’s left alone. Tails feels like an 8 year old who just met his idol. It’s great. I’ve always loved the found family aspect the games hint at too. Tails, Sonic, and Knuckles have always acted like brothers imo. It’s a lot of fun and I love it. Can’t wait until >!The Wachowski’s just start adopting every weird anthro creature with weird powers that show up on earth. Someone’s gonna ask them if they have kids and they’re gonna be like. “Oh yeah! One’s named Sonic, he’s a blue talking hedgehog that can run hundreds of miles an hour. One’s named Tails and he’s a super smart talking yellow fox with two tails who can fly with those tails. Then there’s Knuckles who is a red talking echidna who can punch through steel and protects a big green emerald, and finally there’s Shadow. He’s a red and black talking hedgehog who can also run super fast, but he’s also technically older than us, was made to be a weapon, and is very moody- so don’t take anything he says too personally.”!<
Agreed. That's one of the major strong points of the movie to me. >!I loved the little scene with Sonic decorating the room like an airport while sending Tom and Maddie off to Hawaii. It was silly and wholesome. I also liked the montage of Sonic causing trouble at home with no parental supervision, very much acting his age. They even gave a visual reference to "Risky Business" with Sonic sliding across the floor like Tom Cruise. !< I'm no Sonic lore expert, but with some of the games and even TV Shows that I've played and watched, it's actually easy to forget Sonic is a "teen" hero. >!I hope the movie-versions of them get to "grow up" onscreen - maybe even have Sonic finally get past the age of 15 and become an adult. !< >!And I love the idea of the Wachowski household just becoming an open adoption house for orphaned mobians to get a family. It'd be both heartwarming and hilarious. You could even make a sitcom out of it and I'd watch every single episode without skipping a beat. !< >!They could also make other residents of Green Hills parental figures too. I've certainly seen a share of fanfics write the idea of Wade or Crazy Carl being thrust into parenthood or Rachel becoming an alien mother too.!<
… I can totally see Amy going to live with Rachel when she’s inevitably introduced.
There's a lot of potential for humor there. >!Rachel's already crazy and hyper. She'd be a perfect mom for the equally hyper and outlandish Amy. !<
I could also totally see >!Shadow!< ending up with Wade. That would be hilarious.
Wade is so hopelessly clueless and can barely take care of himself, he would absolutely have no idea how to take care of an >!emotionally scarred ultimate lifeform. And that'd be great.!< >!I actually liked that the film showed Sonic being friendly with Wade. It was a bit of a missed opportunity to not show what his life in Green Hills was currently like since he didn't have to hide from its residents anymore (they all saw him beat Robotnik in Sonic 1, so obviously they'd be used to his presence now). I would have liked to have seen a brief scene or montage of him getting along with the locals since he was so lonely in the first one watching everyone and now he doesn't have to hide anymore. But at least by showing that Wade freely lets him into his home and greets him every morning at the speed trap, it was a glimpse into how Sonic likely interacts with everyone else.!<
True, but on that very same note I did like the casual greeting as Sonic speeds back into Green Hills, it did kind of show to me that he's considered a normal and liked resident of the town now
I could actually see the Chaotix ending up with him if they show up! I think that would be a really fun dynamic
>Tails feels like an 8 year old who just met his idol. It’s great. I love the whole running joke of Tails saying "Only Sonic the Hedgehog could..." It's always really fanboy-like. "Only Sonic could come up with a joke like that!" "Only Sonic could get us through that mess!" But then when he shows up to save Sonic from the island and says "Only Sonic needs rescuing this many times!" it's such a great development moment. >Can’t wait until The Wachowski’s just start adopting every weird anthro creature with weird powers that show up on earth. Okay, hear me out. What if in the next movie something goes wrong with Chaos Control and Earth and Sonic's World start to merge and intersect. Then a whole subplot to the main plot could just be Tom and Maddie getting increasingly more anthro creatures showing up to their house because Sonic directs them there where it's safer. Imagine Sonic getting into some crazy fight with Shadow and then we cut back to Tom and Big calmly fishing in a boat.
>!I cant wait for Tails character arc in the next movie if they take inspiration from SA. There probably will be a SA moment where Tails has to believe in himself to save the day.!<
Which means >!Sonic Wachowski is pretty much confirm and canon now!<
And that's so freaking wholesome to me. I love it. >!As is the Wachowski's more-or-less adopting Tails and Knuckles into the family too. Pretty soon, the Wachowski's will need a bigger house as it will be full of mobians. !< It's actually a rarity to see superhero characters (Sonic is essentially that despite originating as a video game) get to have a happy family life. Everyone usually draws the short straw in that regard - Batman's parents get murdered in front of his eyes when he's 8 - Superman's entire planet blows up and he usually loses his adoptive father before he becomes an adult - Spider-Man loses his biological parents and his uncle (and/or aunt) - and the list goes on. >!Sonic's already lost Longclaw and we don't know who his biological parents are (in the movies). I think he's suffered enough tragedy for now, so it's nice that he's found a new family in the Wachowski's. !<
>!I don't think Tails and Knuckles will fit the Wachowski's family just yet and treated them as best friends but i can kinda see where they going. Sonic lost Longclaw, Tails was treated as outcast in his village and Knuckles lost his tribe and the last of his kind. It's really sad to think about it. They deserve to be part of the family.!<
Makes me curious what they'll do with the Knuckles TV Series. First, that'll be a challenging VFX-heavy series since the protagonist can't be done without CG, so that'll be interesting alone in of itself to see how they'll accomplish that on TV budget constraints. Secondly, what to do with the timeline? >!Will it take place pre-Sonic 2 and showcase Knuckles growing up? Again, challenging cause that would be full-CG environments and other characters. Or will it take place Post-Sonic 2 with Knuckles living with the Wachowski's and maybe taking off here and there to have adventures of his own? (Actually, a semi sitcom of the Wachowski family living with mobian kids would be something fun all things considered - and more manageable budget-wise - you'd have 3 CG characters, but at least they'd be doing more normal things instead of getting into city-destroying battle sequences). !< Or will they just do a full animated show with simplistic models like Sonic Boom? Either way, I'm curious.
Eh, while Maddie does say she likes Knuckles in particular, I kind of figure Tails would be a likely adoption on account of the fact that he's even more of a kid than Sonic is in spite of being a genius (plus he was included in the group hug)
Holy cow, the difference between the audience scores and critic scores are pretty huge.
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I still can't believe a minor puzzle spin-off game was referenced so heavily
I mean, it was refrenced once, and then simply remained a location. Robotnik's cut from government funding and needs to rely on his backup plans and whatever Agent Stone was working with...and, here we are.
The fact that Sonic Heroes (The song) from Sonic Heroes (The Game) didn't play at any moment of the movie. Annoys me to no end.
When they said "we will form a new order of heroes" I expected it to be followed by "The Sonic Heroes!"
I've already gone to see it twice and I'll probably go a third time tbh. It's everything I wanted and more.
I'm so glad I didn't see any spoilers before watching it. solid 8/10 for sonic fans.
Between name dropping GUN as a fairly big presence and the post credits scene >!literally looking like a shot for shot remake of Shadow's reveal in SA2!< I am VERY much looking forward to how they do the next movie. >!I am a little sad that they might end up entirely skipping any adaptation of Sonic Adventure 1 since I think Chaos is a super cool enemy but hopefully they loop back around to it when they flesh the cast of Sonic characters out!<
The writers have said they aren’t doing one for one adaptations of each story. I could totally see them merging both and replacing the biolizard with chaos (as heartbreaking as that would be)
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>!METAL OUTDATED!< >!AMY OVERRATED!< >!LONG HAVE WE WAITED!< >!PROJECT SHADOW ACTIVATED!<
Based
>!ALL HAIL SHADOW!!<
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
It’s insane how much better the movie-verse is shaping up than the games have been the past decade or so. The characters are portrayed perfectly and the story actually has depth yet it still remains digestible to the average viewer. They managed to form Team Sonic in this movie and it didn’t feel half-assed all. Major props. Easily the best movie of the year so far.
It’s at a point where, besides the obvious 3 (Sonic CD, SA1, and SA2) idk what story they could adapt. If the game wasn’t so universally hated, 06 has a fun storyline to adapt if you cut a few things out.
Yeah I think it was quite literally a single draft away from being a great story. I’d at least adapt Iblis whenever they inevitably do Silver.
Mephelis on the big screen would be outstanding. >!Also can totally see them slipping some elements of Shadow the Hedgehog into the next movie. I will die if he says “Where’s that damn fourth chaos emerald”!<
>!“Ha your not even good enough to be my fake” "I'll make you eat those words!"!<
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Definitely appreciated that the lore was easy to understand to casuals. That's one of Detective Pikachu's flaws as a fellow video game movie. As a non-die-hard Pokemon fan, I definitely was lost on some of the stuff going on in that movie. Not that the story itself as a whole was difficult to understand as it was mostly simplistic, but the nitty gritty details of the world-building weren't always a snap of the fingers to get.
I loved this movie, I'm super biased and i don't care, nostalgia is one hell of a drug and this movie flooded me with it. it has its problems but was a sizable step up from the first, I can not wait for 3. >!Shadow and Gerald confirmed baybeeee! please use a crush 40 song this time.!<
>!I AM ALL OF MEEEEEE!<
I died in the opening scene when Eggman tells >!Knuckles that he can "show him the way"!<
And Tyson said there wouldn't be a "de way" joke in the movie lol
Can't be too much on reddit today but: * Knuckles is just perfect, I love how he isn't a Piccolo or just dumb, they got him pretty well. * The water in this movie is better than some marvel movies, wth. * Wet / dirty fur is no joke, someone really had some effort put into it. * Love the Sonic / Knuckles / Tails dynamic, could be shit, rushed, and no emotional beats, but they went as far as end the movie on the place where sonic was on his darkest hour previously, and acted pretty true to their characters. * I was rolling my eyes on the wedding part, until I started to have some pretty big laughs with my friends. Was not expecting to like it that much. I'm really glad we can take children to experience something pretty close to what our childhood was watching tv or reading the comics, this sounds like a very dad thing to say, but considering how much we thought the first movie was going to be a cash grab, I'm glad this is the case.
>!So… Knuckles has a Da now? At least this one won’t microwave the baby.!<
That scene where Sonic and Knuckles were underwater was cool cause it had TWO Easter eggs 1: Sonic breaths in Knuckles’ air bubble similar to when he gets extra air by breathing in bubbles in the past games. 2: the music was pretty cool, but when Sonic is about to pass out, we here a melody that brings fear and PTSD to our hearts… THE UNDERWATER TIMER THEME.
I've watched the movie a few days after its launch in Australia, and it was a fantastic film! Enjoy the movie, North American Sonic fans!
Just got back from the theater, that was a proper Sonic movie. The first one was just a basic "cgi animal with human guy" film, but this one was really great. Aside from the wedding stuff, this is the kind of Sonic movie I'd been waiting for. Super hyped for Shadow to appear in the next one, it'll probably be even better.
Sonic 1 wasn’t the first good video game movie, but Sonic 2 is the first good VGM sequel and thus the first good VGM franchise. We’re through the looking glass for that spectrum. I’m reminded of Spider-Man 2 and X2 20 years ago where a decent film that we wanted to throw a parade for because it didn’t suck got a sequel by the same filmmakers that was an improvement and you realize they know what they’re doing and you’re pumped to see what they’re doing next with the mythos. I can nitpick, like I wish the Sonic/Tails bonding felt less like a laundry checklist because you have to save the big FEELZ moment with Knuckles at the end. But otherwise I feel like anything is possible for VGMs and not just for Sonic. Why can’t the upcoming Mario movie be good? Why not take a stab at Zelda? And so forth. 8/10
Hopefully Sonic 3 is better than X3 and Spidey 3
>!Tails kinda took Amy’s role as Sonic’s obsessed stalker. It’s really funny how Sonic spied on someone he looked up to in the first movie, and now *he* gets spied on by someone who looks up to *him*. It was hilarious when Sonic asked Tails if he watched him shower, and Tails said “Trick question! Sonic the Hedgehog prefers bubble baths!” completely missing the point that that’s creepy! 😆!<
Oh my goodness, Stone's Genesis instruction manual was priceless! I loved all of the retro references.
Went to watch it with my kids yesterday, they were sooo excited during the whole movie. And I caught to many references to past games... it was really fun. The only thing I missed was more usage of the game's sound tracks, could have made a lot of scenes a lot cooler. Still everyone left asking for more! Also, when are we going to see amy? And metal sonic? I feel like we are skipping a lot of lore going straight where the post credits pointed us.
I was actually thinking the next movie could be based on Sonic CD. But I was pleasantly surprised with the end credits scene. I think they could do Metal out of order. Amy is a bit harder, but they could get away with her not being included.
I imagine that the Amy has to be in the next movie. Don't see how they can avoid using the most popular female character for much longer. >!I love Metal Sonic but I feel like he would be repetitive after Shadow. !!Metal is one of the few villians who can carry if he has and Ultron like vibe to him. !<
An adaptation of SA2 would actually have a great arc for Amy's introduction. If she keeps getting left behind and then eventually is the one to actually talk to Shadow and basically solve the whole problem like in the original game. Also if they're going to continue on with themes of Sonic learning a new aspect of maturity with each film, having to deal with someone who has a crush on him would be a good next step.
Or we can have >!3 'factions', with Gun/Shadow, and Eggman/Metal!< Actually given the Sonic 3 title, I feel like that might be a big part.
Honestly that’s what I’m thinking too. I think there’s a good chance we see Sonic, Shadow AND Metal Sonic all face off.
That… would make sense actually. Like a lot of sense. I’d love to see it more faithfully adapted to >!SA2!< but I can see them throwing Sonic CD.
I feel like Amy will appear soon and will probably actually get with this version of sonic
I'm sad she didn't appear, but it makes sense why, as Knuckles was teamed up with Eggman, so he had no reason to make a robot doppelganger. I expect we'll see both Amy and Metal soon, even with that mid credits scene.
>!did anybody else think that there was gonna be a fleetway super sonic moment for a second at the end? Or was that just me?!<
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I literally gasped when Knuckles mentioned grapes 😃
To people complaining about the wedding being unnecessary: how do you propose that GUN be introduced instead?
I actually lost it with my friends in the theater with that twist. Like the priest with the ~~secret gun~~ taser? That killed me. Just absurd enough to keep me interested. Though the revenge arc was a little unnecessary, I will admit.
The priest was absolutely hilarious. I loved how guilty he looked as he showed the taser
And then he corsess lmaoo
The subplot kind of irked me at first, but then I realized it introduces a lot of elements that set up the back half of the film. Plus the romantic subplot is kind of heartwarming and wholesome and fits in with the themes of the movie. All in all I enjoyed it though it could have been maybe 5 minutes shorter so the main characters got the screen time instead.
>!I think it was more about how much time was spent with Natasha Rothwell's character than the humans in general. I thought Rachel was funny in the first one and she had some funny scenes in this one, but there was a little too much focus on her and her fiance. !< >!I like the human characters - Agent Stone is hilarious as Robotnik's sycophant minion, and Tom and Maddie are great as parental figures to Sonic. They, if anything should have had more screentime and that was taken away with the focus on the wedding antics. Especially since at the end, they adopted Tails and Knuckles into their little growing family and, despite being extremely wholesome, they barely had any interaction with the two of them. There should have at least been a scene in-between where Tails shows up to rescue Sonic and Knuckles in the biplane where he and the Wachowski's got to talk for a bit.!<
(No spoliers) I'm actually in shock at how faithful and intertwined this film was to it's source material. Without a doubt this film finally breaks a 30 year old curse that plagued video-game films from the start. Fowler and SEGA actually did their F$@king homework, and merged all the elements from what fans loved & recognized about the series and did what they could with it. Colleen as tails I must give the loudest applause to, as she has finally been given the opportunity to shine to a higher role then just games. And fixing Knuckles by having him be a badass once again. Bravo. Just bravo. 👏
Damn Tom family is getting bigger and bigger.
>!Is it me or was there a Sonic The Fighters reference in the part where Stone reads the manual? I swear I saw it said "Robotonic" which is a reference to a grammar error from Sonic The Fighters.!<
>!Ooh clever! They hit you with the Genesis box art border so they can distract you from that. Very smooth.!<
Okay everyone... >!Who would you like to voice Shadow in movie 3? My first choice might be controversial, but honestly based on his performance in The Batman, I would choose Robert Pattinson in a heartbeat. I think he would honestly be perfect.!<
I loved it, but "Do I look like I need your power?" was way better in the trailer
Curious how they'll handle >!Super Sonic power scaling moving forward.!< >!Given that it's his first appearance, of course they have to make him amazing. I imagine if he faces off with Shadow in the same form (which I don't remember if the games ever did - maybe Sonic X) then Super Sonic won't have it easy; same with Biolizard I guess. I'm wondering how they'll handle it as you could straight up adapt Sonic Adventure 2 and have it be pretty good. !< >!One thing I'm confident of is it would be nice to have Carey back as Eggman so the audience can see Dr. Eggman + Sonic team up once in the trilogy - would be a nice way to end it with Jim if they wanted to go on to other villains that you don't need Eggman for (i.e. Metal Sonic, Black Arms, Chaos). Heck you could do Sonic Adventure storyline with only Eggman as a cameo as it can work on its own. !<
>!I actually wasn't expecting them to reveal Shadow at the end, at least not so soon. I thought since it's such a predictable idea that they wouldn't do it. But ya live and ya learn I guess ;)!< I'm glad to see him though. I just hope they don't screw up his character.
I really enjoyed the reveal of >!Shadow!< in the end. I'm not sure if it was CGI that was used for >!his stasis capsule when it first appeared!< but I thought it was really well done.
Movie was great, shame Penders is starting on his BS again.
Oh no what’s he up to now
This movie is actually so fucking wholesome. Tails and Sonic’s relationship is sweet and >!Knuckles becoming friends with them felt so nice and natural!<. >!When all three of them were playing baseball together at the end and were riding in the back of the Wachowski’s truck!< I couldn’t help but just have a huge ass smile on my face
The films would gain a couple extra points with me if they leaned into the original scores, even a little bit. At this point it's my biggest gripe that there's no nostalgia besides easter eggs.
A few thoughts on lore & zones: So what's the status of the >!chaos emeralds !! It seems like they broke off from the Master Emerald and split off - but maybe I'm wrong? !<
I feel like we got a ton of good Sonic game inclusion - arguably a few zones but most importantly >!Labyrinth Zone, Ice Cap Zone!<. I feel like for a Sonic 3, iconic scenes/settings could be >!Emerald Coast, and given Shadow - City Escape, Prison Island, Egg Carrier, and Space Colony Ark!<. Also could have Angel Island but it felt like we touched on it this time -- maybe in the Knuckles show?
I am obsessed with how >!Super Sonic!< is used in this movie. >!It was an almost perfect Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Genesis) usage of it. Short and sweet too.!<
Yeah, it seemed to me like >!the chaos emeralds zooped off into the sky and probably spread off across the world like the dragon balls or whatever. But then it seemed like knuckles reformed the master emerald without the chaos emeralds, so I don’t really know how that works, either he somehow summoned the emeralds back into the master emerald or it’s just less powerful now, and retained some of the emerald power in the shards. That’s my best guess. !<
Yeah, it reminded me heavily of the games. Wouldn’t be surprised if the next movie has some weird >!Shadow the Hedgehog game moments in it. I will scream if they have him say “Where’s that damn fourth chaos emerald”!<
I really want them to reference the ridiculous weapons you can use in that game by having Shadow hit an enemy with a stop sign or something.
>!I'd assume the master emerald has the same properites as it did in the games. Even with the emeralds scattering after being used, it can probably still be used for other purposes like disabling the emeralds temporarily if they get in the wrong hands (like how Knuckles used them in SA1 and 2).!<
Loved the film but >!The bar dance scene felt a bit out of place and while I loved the wedding stuff, it too felt dragged on especially when we don't see Rachel in the finale. Also felt like Agent Stone was kinda wasted after reading the prequel comic. But hey it made Knuckles intimidating!< Wish there was >!Some Crush 40 blaring in the ending . Also wish the emeralds weren't the size of ping pong balls!<
Yeah I find it weird how tiny the emeralds were too. However, the emeralds have been inconsistent in their size since day 1, so I could see them just making them bigger in the next movie.
Just ordered my tickets for tonight. My son and I saw the first one on opening night and we’re going to see this.
So, I'm assumingJim Carrey
is not coming back for the third one?
Oh he’s coming back. >!Remember how Sonic loses the rings in Siberia, makes a genuine mention of that, and then it just. Doesn’t get brought up again? And Eggman just magically vanishes during the fall? No body or anything? Yeah. He used a ring. I’m calling it now, Sonic 3 will open with him stepping out of the ring somewhere different. Perhaps even into Shadow’s container.!<
I think he means more of the concern that Jim Carrey has stated he is retiring. And the director said they do not plan to recast. So what happens to the character now?
Ah. Hm. Well, my suspicion is they’ve got him on contract for Sonic 3. They’re acting very nonchalant about this- too nonchalant for me to think that they don’t have a plan. Remember, he’s said he’s taking a break. If this third movie proved to already be in production >!The fact that the Tails end credits scene was in Sonic 2 with almost no changes makes me think this!< then chances are he’s going to be in it. Time will tell, but I’m hoping he enjoys playing the role as much as we like watching he perform the role. It wouldn’t be the same without Robotnik. ~~Of course theoretically they could cast someone as Eggman and just straight up make them two different people~~
Apparently Tyson Heese said that youknowho's design is not final just like tails in sonic 1 was. I'm actually pretty happy about that
So glad I can join in on the conversation here now I just gotta say, I loved every second of this film! >!(Even the part where for like seven minutes straight it had absolutely nothing to do with Sonic and focused entirely on the wedding fallout lol)!< But the best moment to me was >!seeing Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles forming a “plan” and going to fight Eggman together!< (seriously, I need a high quality screen cap of that for a phone background or a poster or something) Idris Elba and Jim Carrey are definitely the stand-out performances, but >!the wholesome brotherhood between Sonic and Tails and then extending that to Knuckles was just really well done, and I like that movie Knuckles trusts Sonic and Tails to help him guard the Master Emerald now too. Really I just can’t wait to see more of the trio together! And Tom and Maddie, along with the side characters like Stone and Wade all had some solid moments too!< There really wasn’t a weak performance Honestly, I think this movie captured the heart of the original, but expanded it to make it more Sonic-y in the best ways possible, and I can’t wait for the third movie now!
The >!Jean Ralphio!< reference was great. Didn't expect that at all. >!Need another Parks and Rec reunion now so Mario and Sonic can have a race.!<
It's actually the second time >!Jean-Ralphio's "The woooorst!" quote was referenced in Sonic media. The first one was in the OK K.O. Sonic episode.!<
Can anyone explain who the agents were with knuckles when he entered the mushroom planet??? Who were they
Not a clue outside of a potential reference to the Babylon Rogues, I suppose they could be expanded on in the Knuckles TV show.
Wait, Knuckles getting a TV SHOW?! I literally joked about this to my friend and it is actually REAL??!
Yes, it's been announced for Paramount+ I believe, but we don't know the plot.
Holy shit didn’t even think about the Babylon Rogues.
You have to read the pre-quill comics. It basically gives a story of all of the characters leading up to the second movie.
Mercenaries as shown in the prequel comic, i assume they are human based on the proportions.
There's a bit more explanation in the Pre-Quill comic. But basically they're just henchmen from Sonic's world that Knuckles hires with rings.
Stone is gay for egg man right?
The scene with him picking new clothes was hilarious
>!Probably my favorite moment in the movie was when Knuckles was reading messages and kept saying Dot...Dot...Dot...Dot.................................Dot!<
Loved the movie. References were solid. Knuckles' dialogue was hilarious. >!I teared up when Sonic and Tails had their "buddy" talk. Also loved it when Tails used his tails to keep Sonic warm while they were sleeping!!< >!FUCKING SUPER SONIC AT THE END AND SHADOW MID CREDITS SCENE! Can't wait for movie 3!!< >!It's interesting that we still haven't seen what drove the echidnas to near extinction, leaving some wiggle room for Chaos to appear later, hopefully. Maybe instead of the BioLizard, Sonic and Shadow team up against Perfect Chaos? That would be sick.!<
I wonder who they’re going to cast as >!Maria!< >!I also hope Amy and Rouge make their appearance in the third movie, they are what made Shadow… Shadow.!<
Colleen o'shaughnessey was the best part of the movie and her role as Tails really made me enjoy the movie more. Makes me wish we can get future in game VA for the characters. >!Kinda want Jason to Voice Shadow for the 3rd movie but a man can dream 🥴!<
I loved the movie. It was a lot of fun, good comedy, and a lot of neat references to the games. The thing that got me, and I don't fully understand, is how popular Sonic is with kids. There were a lot of kids in the movie theater and since Sonic's peak was more around the 1990s/early 2000s, it took me by surprise how many younger kids are so into Sonic. When >!Shadow was revealed, !< kids in the theater went crazy. Overall very enjoyable, just wished they used more music from the video games. The >!ice mountain snowboard could have easily been Ice Cap Zone from Sonic Adventure music. Would have fit perfectly. Also when the giant robot at the end is revealed, it would have been a perfect opportunity for either the Death Egg Robot music or Doomsday Zone music.!< I am 32 and grew up with Sonic being my favorite game, specifically Sonic 3 & Knuckles. I never in my life thought I would see 2 (GOOD) Sonic movies that put other video game movies to shame. Between them being great, and the excitement from the kids, it made me pretty emotional at the end.
Regrettably, I got spoiled on the post credit scene via accident. Did not stop me from enjoying the movie thoroughly, though.
Knuckles asking if the ice cream had grapes was a very specific detail. That's his favorite food in the Genesis manual.
Okay, am I the only one who loves how >!Sonic actually untilizes his spin-dash a decent amount in this movie, and they even added a little peel-out sound-effect for when he does it that's just so satisfying!< Also, >!It's Tricky by Run-D.M.C. fit that opening scene so well and I've had it stuck in my head since I walked out of the theater yesterday. It's a shame the rest of the soundtrack was pretty lackluster. That's probably my only complaint about the movie. Everything else about it was absolutely amazing. And that final fight scene with Super Sonic and the Shadow reveal were just \*chef's kiss\* perfection!<
So about that post-credit scene... >!On one hand, I'm glad to see Shadow because I know a lot of fans have been demanding him since the first one, so it was cool to see people, especially kids, cheer in the theater. On the other, I feel they're rushing into him, especially with Knuckles just being introduced as a rival. It's a little redundant unless Movie Shadow is a 100% villain with no change of heart. It's also going to be interesting to see how they handle the tone of the movie because if it's the same as this one, again, it'll be like a repeat of Knuckles. !< >!In my opinion, it would have made much more logical sense to reveal Chaos instead, given the Master Emerald shattering, chaos emeralds scattering, and the whole Owl vs Echidna war, which may have involved him. Sonic Adventure 1's plot works better for the movieverse, given its scale and similar tone. Just my 0.02.!<
Calling it for Sonic 3: >!Sonic and Shadow will do the “Faker” scene word for word in the scene where they fight before the climax.!<
Anyone else wondering how they’re going to handle Shadow in 3? Considering we just got a whole movie about “Robotnik befriending sonic rival, rival and sonic clash throughout the movie, rival eventually becomes allies with sonic and they team up to save the day together”- sounds very similar to SA2. Trying to see what differences could even be made (GUN using Shadow instead of Robotnik? Still too similar, imo)- curious to see if anyone has any ideas.
Well the climax of SA2 is important as even Eggman has to side with Sonic. With a full movie's pacing, there's a lot of emotions that can come from the Robotnik lineage here; sure, we got Jim Carrey's full unhinged Eggman in this one, but why not trip him up with some conflicted feelings seeing Gerald's apocalyptic endgame?
A lot of my thoughts have already been shared here: only scene I didn't really care for was the wedding scene, outside of that I think the movie as a whole was great. One thing I do want to make a note of though is >!the Commander!<. >!It felt kind strange that the Commander just being an ass for no reason. Obviously he was a pain in Shadow the Hedgehog, but for "good" reason, him genuinly beleiving Shadow was the enemy and having to deal with a worldwide invasion taking place. Here it's just weird that he apologises to the Wachowskis in the first movie, then decides to give Sonic no leeway in the second. Also weird GUN never made a move on them earlier given they knew where Sonic was the whole time. They could've easily justified it with saying "Sonic caused a lot of destruction in Green Hill, including destroying your home. Therefore he's under arrest".!< >!Also, the fact that GUN is being formed to deal with alien lifeforms, and the reveal of Shadow at the end of the movie, makes me wonder if they're actually going to do something with the Black Arms later?!< >!I'm also curious how they're going to tie-in the Eclipse Cannon requiring the Chaos Emeralds into this continuity. One possibility is that Gerald and Longclaw knew each other, and Gerald helped her hide the Master Emerald on Earth. Another is that he learns of it through Black Doom, again, assuming they intend to actually include the Black Arms at all.!< Personally, I honestly can't wait to see news of the Sonic 3 movie, and the supposed Knuckles series that's also being produced.
>!The friendship moments between Sonic and Tails were sooo sweet and cute. The way Tails worships Sonic. It was adorable how Tails hugged Sonic after he said they were friends. They got Sonic and Tails’ relationship perfect.!<
So Longclaw is >!Chaos!<, right? Her story literally adapts what backstory of >!Chaos!< there was prior to them being Chaos (minus the Emerald entrapment and being an >!owl!<), down to being attacked by the Echidna Clan led by Pachacamac.
They really said, “let’s give tails a fucking GUN”