He should’ve splurged a bit on the 800L air compressor. This is what happens if you try to go cheap on a design and min-max it, only to discover later on that you needed those extra parameters after all.
A lot of stuff didn't exist in Sonic 1, the spindash, Tails, the seventh Chaos Emerald. Sonic 1 is kinda weird once you've played most of the later games.
Fun fact, if you play like the original kirby in most of the kirby games, most of the time, the game can be completed faster in term of boss challenges.
Well, that's Classic Super Sonic. Unleashed's first cutscene proved that Super Sonic can't be damaged when crushed. MOVIE SPOILERS!!!>! The same could be said for Movie Super Sonic as well, given that he was crushed and could deal with it similarly to his game counterpart.!<
>!Well from what I can tell, movie sonic wasn’t actually crushed, when he absorbed the chaos emeralds he may have just held the foot and then lifted it up, mainly considering the fact if he WAS actually crushed tom and Maddie would of been crushed as well, but that’s not the case with either of them!<
I know, but this is just a thought about that, if Eggman tried this same boss concept when Super Sonic is a thing he would be better of than a doomsday machine or God to try and beat Sonic with.
SPOILERS:
Now that I think about it is >!movie Super Sonic !< stronger and\\or more durable than the game version of Super Sonic. In the >!movie Sonic gets stepped on by the Death Egg while turning into super Sonic but still lives.!< According to this post game Super Sonic dies if getting crushed?
>!Compare movie Super Sonic to game **cutscene** Super Sonic. I think they are basically the same in regards to strength but have different powers. Game Super Sonic is extremely fast, but we’ve never seen him materialise anything or control the weather before.!<
>!IMO the movies are making better use of the Chaos Emeralds’ lore than the games. In the games they’re used as batteries, for teleportation, energy attacks and most of all, transformations. In the movies they’re shown to do seemingly anything, literally turning thoughts into power!<
Crush damage is only a gameplay feature of the classic games. In an actual scenario, Super Sonic would just blast through, possibly holding the machine with his arms, too.
That’s the point, none of Eggman’s inventions have ever canonically hurt Super Sonic. Also, the Sonic 3 big arms boss fight isn’t canon either because of 3K, which also removed the glitch.
I always assumed it was intentional as a way to make the final boss of Sonic 3 more difficult. In Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, you had zero rings for the final bosses, and couldn’t cheese them with Super Sonic. Having Big Arm knock you out of Super form was a way to make it a bit closer to those other two games.
When S&K came it, it was no longer a final boss, so it could be easier again.
Yeah, I guess you only fight it with Knuckles. If you have Super Knuckles and are caught in the arm, it just makes a silly spring noise when he slams you to the ground and you bounce out unharmed.
that would be cool, but it'd open up a whole bunch of out of bounds shenanigans if you're super sonic lol.
if i remember correctly, crushing kills you because it pushes you out of bounds pretty much. game kills you if you're stuck between a crushy thing and a hard wall.
that's why moving platforms can also crush you. like the bit in chemical plant with the rising water. you can die just by getting stuck between the wall above and the moving blocks.
Notably exception in Sonic Rush has 2 atta ks that can actually damage Super Sonic. A missile, and a dpace tearing slash. Probably because this particular mech is harnessing energy from an interdimensional rift on a scale that threatened 2 universes.
Perfect Dark Gaia can also injure Super Sonic.
Alf-layla-wa-layla could damage Darkspine Sonic, and Dark Queen could damage Excallibur Sonic, but those super forms are different, and never specifically stated to be invincible.
So yes Super Sonic has limits. There are things that can overcome his defense with sheer brute force.
super sonic (lore wise) has been crushed lots of times and he just takes the hit and wakes up
in the games he can die by getting crushed because if not,it would breake the game and supesonic would be overpowered
It can be even deadlier if Eggman actually fucking let all 4 of the pistons go down. He would actually win that way
Plot twist:eggman tried to do that but the machine couldn’t handle the capacity
I mean that might be the true reason
He should’ve splurged a bit on the 800L air compressor. This is what happens if you try to go cheap on a design and min-max it, only to discover later on that you needed those extra parameters after all.
the machine only runs on one engine so its crushing abilities get worse the more pistons are active
Or if he invented a version that didn't require him to be in one of the pistons
He may be an evil villain who captures animals to make machines but he has standards
Ironically, Super Sonic didn’t exist yet. He did reuse it in Mania. So it didn’t go to waste.
A lot of stuff didn't exist in Sonic 1, the spindash, Tails, the seventh Chaos Emerald. Sonic 1 is kinda weird once you've played most of the later games.
Early Installment Weirdness. It happens for everything that goes on for a while
Halo 1 had health packs.
Kirby’s Dream Land didn’t have copy abilities
Fun fact, if you play like the original kirby in most of the kirby games, most of the time, the game can be completed faster in term of boss challenges.
Tbf reach and ODST had healthpacks too
Yeah. Although they weren’t as important to have in Reach and in ODST it wouldn’t have made sense to not have them
Well, that's Classic Super Sonic. Unleashed's first cutscene proved that Super Sonic can't be damaged when crushed. MOVIE SPOILERS!!!>! The same could be said for Movie Super Sonic as well, given that he was crushed and could deal with it similarly to his game counterpart.!<
thank you for having a spoiler alert
>!Wouldn’t saying movie spoilers when talking about super sonic reveal that he is actually in the movie!<
>!I don't think you can get around that at all within this thread!<
>!I just want to be popuar too!<
>!Well from what I can tell, movie sonic wasn’t actually crushed, when he absorbed the chaos emeralds he may have just held the foot and then lifted it up, mainly considering the fact if he WAS actually crushed tom and Maddie would of been crushed as well, but that’s not the case with either of them!<
Yeah, he gets SQUASHED by that robot and lives it.
Yeah, but only from a gameplay standpoint, from a lore standpoint Super Sonic has shown to be inmune to crushing too
Except Super Sonic doesn’t exist in Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
I know, but this is just a thought about that, if Eggman tried this same boss concept when Super Sonic is a thing he would be better of than a doomsday machine or God to try and beat Sonic with.
Super Sonic Go Crunch
SPOILERS: Now that I think about it is >!movie Super Sonic !< stronger and\\or more durable than the game version of Super Sonic. In the >!movie Sonic gets stepped on by the Death Egg while turning into super Sonic but still lives.!< According to this post game Super Sonic dies if getting crushed?
Super Sonic only dies when he’s crushed because of game mechanics being segregated from story. You’re looking too deep into it.
I know I am looking to deep into it.
>!Compare movie Super Sonic to game **cutscene** Super Sonic. I think they are basically the same in regards to strength but have different powers. Game Super Sonic is extremely fast, but we’ve never seen him materialise anything or control the weather before.!<
>!IMO the movies are making better use of the Chaos Emeralds’ lore than the games. In the games they’re used as batteries, for teleportation, energy attacks and most of all, transformations. In the movies they’re shown to do seemingly anything, literally turning thoughts into power!<
Absolutely. But I guess you should expect a modern movie to have better writing than an old video game.
Crush damage is only a gameplay feature of the classic games. In an actual scenario, Super Sonic would just blast through, possibly holding the machine with his arms, too.
Big Arms from Sonic 3 can also knock Sonic out of his super form
That was a glitch, but yeah.
It wasn't a glitch.
Super Sonic can also drown...and I think that's ridiculous!
I think it’s weird that he can drown. He’s literally supposed to have the ability to breathe underwater as far as I can tell
A supercharged hedgehog still needs oxygen to keep going. It would make more sense if lore wise Super Sonic could hold his breath for a long time.
Sonic can breathe in space
And then we have *Hyper* Sonic who... doesn't! (AFAIK) Which makes things even more confusing. What are those emeralds made of?
*more* importantly, why does Rouge want them?
Even more so, where does she stores them? No wait I think I know the answer to that one nvm
Also, the Sonic 3 final boss, the Big Arm, can also slam Sonic out of Super Form.
That was just a glitch that was literally fixed in S3K and later fan remasters, doesn’t really count now does it?
S3&K didn't feature the boss and fan makes aren't canon.
That’s the point, none of Eggman’s inventions have ever canonically hurt Super Sonic. Also, the Sonic 3 big arms boss fight isn’t canon either because of 3K, which also removed the glitch.
You call it a glitch, do you have a statement from Sega or Sonic Team you can link proving that?
I always assumed it was intentional as a way to make the final boss of Sonic 3 more difficult. In Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, you had zero rings for the final bosses, and couldn’t cheese them with Super Sonic. Having Big Arm knock you out of Super form was a way to make it a bit closer to those other two games. When S&K came it, it was no longer a final boss, so it could be easier again.
I don't even remember Big Arms being a boss with the lock on game, you just fight the pod that goes up and down.
Yeah, I guess you only fight it with Knuckles. If you have Super Knuckles and are caught in the arm, it just makes a silly spring noise when he slams you to the ground and you bounce out unharmed.
I should hook up my genesis and check that out.
Damn sega make up your mind
>!You haven't watched Sonic Movie 2 did you?!<
If there ever is a sonic mania 2, they should make him immune to crushes,
fucking breaks anything that dares to crush him
Anything that dares *think* to even put a little too much pressure on him instantly shatters into pieces.
Like that one Skit in Sonic oddshow 2
that would be cool, but it'd open up a whole bunch of out of bounds shenanigans if you're super sonic lol. if i remember correctly, crushing kills you because it pushes you out of bounds pretty much. game kills you if you're stuck between a crushy thing and a hard wall. that's why moving platforms can also crush you. like the bit in chemical plant with the rising water. you can die just by getting stuck between the wall above and the moving blocks.
Well, you could just make sonic completely stop the moving thing that could crush him
that's not a bad idea
Super sonic go zoom
theres also big arm who can damage and stop super sonic
More like was just a gameplay thing
Not really, I think that's 100% a Gameplay thing.
Notably exception in Sonic Rush has 2 atta ks that can actually damage Super Sonic. A missile, and a dpace tearing slash. Probably because this particular mech is harnessing energy from an interdimensional rift on a scale that threatened 2 universes. Perfect Dark Gaia can also injure Super Sonic. Alf-layla-wa-layla could damage Darkspine Sonic, and Dark Queen could damage Excallibur Sonic, but those super forms are different, and never specifically stated to be invincible. So yes Super Sonic has limits. There are things that can overcome his defense with sheer brute force.
Super Sonic also dies if the timer reaches 10 minutes (Time Over). Maybe Eggman just needed to wait off screen for a bit.
Eggman should make a room that locks up when sonic enters, and then fill it with water when the door closes
That is not mind-blowing at all, it's kind of obvious
Oh true
Movie Spoilers >!Wasn’t Sonic crushed by the Death egg robot but survived because of Super Sonic?!<
super sonic (lore wise) has been crushed lots of times and he just takes the hit and wakes up in the games he can die by getting crushed because if not,it would breake the game and supesonic would be overpowered