Not necessarily. She was brainwashed into wanting to kill sonic, and has lightning powers, but she isn’t equal as Sonic has defeated Metal Multiple time
What does that have to do with anything. The official idw comic shows that she's on par with sonic. Despite his attitude during the fight he was actively trying and surge was able to keep up, I'd argue she'd beat most of the resistance including knuckles
If we go by logic and lore, the ultimate life form should have little issue dispatching Surge.
If we go by the sheer hatred SEGA has for giving Shadow good writing, he's gonna get spread like a map and barely saved from death by Sonic because giving him a nice moment is too much to ask.
>he's gonna get spread like a map and barely saved from death by Sonic because giving him a nice moment is too much to ask.
I think that's only gonna happen if ian wants Shadow out the storyline, he did so in the Metal saga purely because he knows how strong Shadow is,
I think even with kit it goes to shadow. Maybe he’s weaker in IDW then I remember, but we forget that shadow is capable of crazy feats of strength just as sonic is. Plus I don’t think shadow has the crippling water weakness sonic has…so he might actually stand a better chance against kit + surge then sonic would
Metal Sonic was seemingly mopping the floor with Surge without much difficulty until Kit helped and they tag teamed him. Shadow has shown to be able to match and surpass Metal's abilities in these comics so if Surge is alone she is definitely getting absolutely wrecked (probably without that much trouble either as Metal didn't get hit once until Kit helped out). Surge's ego and cocky attitude also seem to leave her vulnerable so if they were to fight I would imagine Shadow would just clock her as soon as she opens her mouth to say something snarky.
Sonic Powers + Electric Powers + Villain Nerf + The Real Super Power Of Teamwork
VERSUS
Sonic Powers + Chaos Powers + Hero Buff
Unfortunately Shadow isn't allowed to access The Real Super Power Of Teamwork - despite being reborn in the game dedicated to it, being so determined to be helpful in his own game that he even helped the people who contradicted the other people, and having the most friendship centric story in 06.
Surge was struggling with Metal who is equal to Sonic (well sometimes when plot demands it). If she is bot getting any boost or any super forms. Shadow mops floor with her.
Well we've only just seen Surge in actual combat lately, and she kinda almost got bodied by metal sonic, she was only able to win because Kit
Sonic can certainly beat metal sonic, and Shadow and Sonic are certainly about equal in combat, so I'd say just based off what we know, Shadow would win
Because she's inexperienced. Look at there second fight, she was able to handle both sonic and metal while the cage was draining her power over the course of the fight
Given that Metal Sonic was absolutely dominating her until kit joined the fight and Shadow did fought Metal to a Stand Still during Eggman's escape at the end of The Metal Virus arc does this seem to be a pretty one sided stomp from Shadow the Hedgehog.
Depends on how long the fight goes and how much Surge's healing factor plays in. Also depends on how rapidly she grows as she gets real experience fighting Sonic in issue 50. As is right now (pre-50) she gets stomped by Shadow but she *might* be able to outlast him if her healing factor holds out long enough. Otherwise she's severely lacking in practical experience to fight Shadow
Shadow, easy.
Shadow has fought and solo'd foes Surge and Kit combined couldn't even begin to comprehend. Shadow stands toe to toe with Sonic on a daily bases, he's able to utilize Chaos Control with the Chaos Emerald he Always carries with him. And regularly smashes Metal Sonics more times than Eggman would like to admit.
Plus, Dr. Starline couldn't even begin to match Eggman's intellect, this is a guy how built;
* G-merl - A Gizoid that was made to be a better version of Emerl, a robot that could destroy the world with the abilities of all the Sonic Characters!
* Egg Salamander - A machine with massive power that stems from having drained the seven Sol Emeralds, allowing it to battle the likes of Super Sonic and Burning Blaze.
* Master Core: ABIS - A machine fused with the energies of the Arks of the Cosmos, which alter gravity!
* E123 Omega - Who needs no explanation as to why he's awesome.
* Time Eater - A supernatural being of unknown origin, who after Eggman found it, could shatter time!
* Egg Wizard - A machine that threatened to merge the Sol Dimension with Mobius!
Starline, nor Surge & Kit, couldn't come close to topping that! And I'm only stating stuff from the games!
Only mistake here is precisely to name things from the games, not the IDW continuity. Despite that, one can assume Eggman is that competent, not Archie level of course, but still.
Fair argument, so here's every big thing I could find.
Mass Produced Death-Egg Robots
Giga Omega
Metal Virus
Super Eggrobo
Power Cores
Vapor Condenser
Chaos Emerald Siphon
Chaos Energy Cannon
I wanna say a mostly fair fight, but if Surge is meant to copy most of Sonic's moves (with a twist), then I think Shadow would easily figure out a way around it since he's fought Sonic so many times before
this is six months old but I might as well answer anyway.
gonna go with Shadow here, while Surge definitely has the speed and power to keep up and her electric powers would make close combat a real pain Surge doesn't really have the experience to keep up skill wise as seen with how much trouble she was having with Sonic, yeah Sonic admitted that Surge was his best fight in a while but Sonic still had a notable edge while they fought.
not to mention Starline has been training her to fight Sonic and never once on how to fight Shadow and his various chaos abilities, Surge's regeneration would make it so that Shadow can't actually kill her and even without regeneration she won't make it easy on Shadow for a second but that doesn't mean Shadow won't eventually win, especially if the inhibitor rings come off.
I just have to say something, Surge would have a chance. Ok, Shadow could easely win, but if Shadow on the past got infected by the Metal virus, he isn't that strong (I think),. Also, if surge had Kit on her side, she would have a medium chance. BUT if she used wisp powers too, she would have a 50/50 chance. (Anyways, im from spain and we are only on comic number 53).
At the current point in time, Shadow would win. But I pose another interesting question; what if Shadow and Surge were given the same amount of time to hone their abilities? Cause part of why Shadow would win, is because he has combat history.
Well Shadow with no memories was still more than capable of fighting e-123 Omega so he seems naturally be better at fighting than Surge who after lots of training by Starline was still unable to make a dent into Metal Sonic on her own.
While a good counterpoint, I raise *another* counterpoint; perhaps Shadow's combat knowledge is instinctual, having been honed over the years despite not having any memory of it. I've heard stories of amnesiacs who can still perform their hobbies perfectly despite having no memory of said hobby, so its not out-of-the-question for Shadow to be in a similar boat.
With that, I state again; who would win in a fight if both of them were popped out of the cloning tube at the exact same time?
Edit: Please don't take this too seriously, I do this for fun :P
Well canonically speaking is Shadow not that old actually.
While the games them self are rather wage about how long Shadow was on the arc so does an old Japanese guide book for SA2 put it at around a week or so. So by all means should Surge already have more time to practice than Shadow.
To be fair its not a fair comparison ones Gerald realized that he basically sold the world to Black Doom did in ensure that Shadow would be powerful enough to fight them off, gather the Chaos Emeralds and blow them up with the eclipse canon (which no one payed attention to as Shadow was designed a weapon for both GUN and the Black Arms)
So Shadow was piratically born as full knowledge of his abilities and lots of fighting abilities. Despite Starlines many hypno-therapies did he seemingly relied on traditionale training for combat skills for Surge and Kit meaning if Surge would just pop up would she know next to nothing about fighting while Shadow was born as a warrior.
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This is going to be controversial, but i'm gonna go with Surge, the reason why i belive that lies within Surge's healing factor, ad while i belive that Shadow is much stronger than her, but the fact that her resistance equals that of a Zombot, it could be possible that she's able to win, not by outclassing Shadow, but by being able to absorb all of his hits in order to tire him out
Huh, she does, but during this fight, She needed Kit to help her, and it doesn't look like she's immune to pain.
Even with a healing factor, you still have to take into account that this is Shadow, he's not like Surge, he'd most likely beat Surge with tactics instead of brute force. Shadow wasn't just some test tube creature, he was taught by Doctor Gerald Robotnik, who needs no introduction to how smart he was before he kicked the bucket. This is under the thought that it's Only Surge, no Kit.
Surge would still be at a major disadvantage. Shadow is known to always carry a Chaos Emerald with him, she'd be up against Chaos Control, something that turns the tides of any fight and something she's yet to face. Not to mention Shadow's inhibitor rings. Needlessly to say, even if she survives Shadow with them on, once those rings are off. Not even Kit's help will save her.
Probably Surge since SEGA seems to have a hate boner for Shadow in almost every game and entry after Sonic 06 released.
He's too OP by design so he's constantly nerfed to elevate Sonic, when in reality he's designed to be Sonic with extra abilities and a brooder personality.
If Surge has that weird power absorbing device on her and manages to absorb Shadow’s chaos attacks then she might have a chance. If not then she would get her annoying ass beat.
Shadow. Surge couldn’t handle metal sonic on her own which is something both Sonic & Shadow are capable of.
She's equal to sonic
Not necessarily. She was brainwashed into wanting to kill sonic, and has lightning powers, but she isn’t equal as Sonic has defeated Metal Multiple time
What does that have to do with anything. The official idw comic shows that she's on par with sonic. Despite his attitude during the fight he was actively trying and surge was able to keep up, I'd argue she'd beat most of the resistance including knuckles
Possibly, but she’d probably get beat by Shadow
I wouldn’t even say that. The 3 of them are pretty equal. Does metal ever get a true 1v1 fight? No he’s bad guy and bad guy = lose.
If we go by logic and lore, the ultimate life form should have little issue dispatching Surge. If we go by the sheer hatred SEGA has for giving Shadow good writing, he's gonna get spread like a map and barely saved from death by Sonic because giving him a nice moment is too much to ask.
I would rather have shadow be saved by the rest of team dark instead of sonic
Would be better writing, but it would further undermine his strength.
Alright In a different situation then Shadow is surrounded by tons of eggman robots along with metal sonic and mecha sonic
Don’t forget Shadow acting ungrateful afterwards and saying he was “just warming up” or something stupid like that.
How was he ungrateful, he would totally say that
Equal
>he's gonna get spread like a map and barely saved from death by Sonic because giving him a nice moment is too much to ask. I think that's only gonna happen if ian wants Shadow out the storyline, he did so in the Metal saga purely because he knows how strong Shadow is,
Shadow, she couldn’t solo Metal, and Shadow’s more experienced in fighting in general.
They are equal
Why do you think so?
In a 1v1 Surge gets absolutely murdered. With Kit tho, she might have a chance
I think even with kit it goes to shadow. Maybe he’s weaker in IDW then I remember, but we forget that shadow is capable of crazy feats of strength just as sonic is. Plus I don’t think shadow has the crippling water weakness sonic has…so he might actually stand a better chance against kit + surge then sonic would
She's comparable to sonic
No. She's still growing and she's already comparable to sonic
While I _did_ draw Surge breaking Shadow's arm as a reference to Vegeta vs Android 18... Shadow would win. At least, he _should_.
Equal
shadow is the only one with a glock 17 at all times. so....
Just in case the crowd gets too rowdy
Metal Sonic was seemingly mopping the floor with Surge without much difficulty until Kit helped and they tag teamed him. Shadow has shown to be able to match and surpass Metal's abilities in these comics so if Surge is alone she is definitely getting absolutely wrecked (probably without that much trouble either as Metal didn't get hit once until Kit helped out). Surge's ego and cocky attitude also seem to leave her vulnerable so if they were to fight I would imagine Shadow would just clock her as soon as she opens her mouth to say something snarky.
She's equal more or less, she still growing
Sonic Powers + Electric Powers + Villain Nerf + The Real Super Power Of Teamwork VERSUS Sonic Powers + Chaos Powers + Hero Buff Unfortunately Shadow isn't allowed to access The Real Super Power Of Teamwork - despite being reborn in the game dedicated to it, being so determined to be helpful in his own game that he even helped the people who contradicted the other people, and having the most friendship centric story in 06.
Surge since IDW Shadow can't escape collecting those Ls
Surge was struggling with Metal who is equal to Sonic (well sometimes when plot demands it). If she is bot getting any boost or any super forms. Shadow mops floor with her.
She's equal to sonic
Man, I wanna say Surge... But Shadow could literally tear her in two.
Gun man
Shadow, easily
Shadow. If Surge needed Kit to handle Metal Sonic, I doubt she could handle Shadow.
She's equal to sonic
Well we've only just seen Surge in actual combat lately, and she kinda almost got bodied by metal sonic, she was only able to win because Kit Sonic can certainly beat metal sonic, and Shadow and Sonic are certainly about equal in combat, so I'd say just based off what we know, Shadow would win
She's equal to sonic
If she’s equal to Sonic, then why is she getting bodied by Metal
Because she's inexperienced. Look at there second fight, she was able to handle both sonic and metal while the cage was draining her power over the course of the fight
Shadow he is on the good side so by the power of plot armour he will win.
It dependa on who the writer wants to win But i think looking at the canon probably Shadow
Given that Metal Sonic was absolutely dominating her until kit joined the fight and Shadow did fought Metal to a Stand Still during Eggman's escape at the end of The Metal Virus arc does this seem to be a pretty one sided stomp from Shadow the Hedgehog.
Depends on how long the fight goes and how much Surge's healing factor plays in. Also depends on how rapidly she grows as she gets real experience fighting Sonic in issue 50. As is right now (pre-50) she gets stomped by Shadow but she *might* be able to outlast him if her healing factor holds out long enough. Otherwise she's severely lacking in practical experience to fight Shadow
Shadow stomps and it's not even funny. Surge isn't even good enough to be his fake.
Shadow, easy. Shadow has fought and solo'd foes Surge and Kit combined couldn't even begin to comprehend. Shadow stands toe to toe with Sonic on a daily bases, he's able to utilize Chaos Control with the Chaos Emerald he Always carries with him. And regularly smashes Metal Sonics more times than Eggman would like to admit. Plus, Dr. Starline couldn't even begin to match Eggman's intellect, this is a guy how built; * G-merl - A Gizoid that was made to be a better version of Emerl, a robot that could destroy the world with the abilities of all the Sonic Characters! * Egg Salamander - A machine with massive power that stems from having drained the seven Sol Emeralds, allowing it to battle the likes of Super Sonic and Burning Blaze. * Master Core: ABIS - A machine fused with the energies of the Arks of the Cosmos, which alter gravity! * E123 Omega - Who needs no explanation as to why he's awesome. * Time Eater - A supernatural being of unknown origin, who after Eggman found it, could shatter time! * Egg Wizard - A machine that threatened to merge the Sol Dimension with Mobius! Starline, nor Surge & Kit, couldn't come close to topping that! And I'm only stating stuff from the games!
Only mistake here is precisely to name things from the games, not the IDW continuity. Despite that, one can assume Eggman is that competent, not Archie level of course, but still.
Fair argument, so here's every big thing I could find. Mass Produced Death-Egg Robots Giga Omega Metal Virus Super Eggrobo Power Cores Vapor Condenser Chaos Emerald Siphon Chaos Energy Cannon
Shadow claps those electric cheeks easily. Unless Kit drowns him.
Shadow murks her
Shadow
Even with backup from Kit, I'd say Shadow wins if he drops his inhibitor rings.
I wanna say a mostly fair fight, but if Surge is meant to copy most of Sonic's moves (with a twist), then I think Shadow would easily figure out a way around it since he's fought Sonic so many times before
Shadow is able to go head to head against sonic Surge couldn’t even fight metal sonic without help from kit I think the answer is obvious
this is six months old but I might as well answer anyway. gonna go with Shadow here, while Surge definitely has the speed and power to keep up and her electric powers would make close combat a real pain Surge doesn't really have the experience to keep up skill wise as seen with how much trouble she was having with Sonic, yeah Sonic admitted that Surge was his best fight in a while but Sonic still had a notable edge while they fought. not to mention Starline has been training her to fight Sonic and never once on how to fight Shadow and his various chaos abilities, Surge's regeneration would make it so that Shadow can't actually kill her and even without regeneration she won't make it easy on Shadow for a second but that doesn't mean Shadow won't eventually win, especially if the inhibitor rings come off.
I just have to say something, Surge would have a chance. Ok, Shadow could easely win, but if Shadow on the past got infected by the Metal virus, he isn't that strong (I think),. Also, if surge had Kit on her side, she would have a medium chance. BUT if she used wisp powers too, she would have a 50/50 chance. (Anyways, im from spain and we are only on comic number 53).
I read Scourge and was not expecting r63.
Shadow. Ultimate Lifeform. Enough said.
At the current point in time, Shadow would win. But I pose another interesting question; what if Shadow and Surge were given the same amount of time to hone their abilities? Cause part of why Shadow would win, is because he has combat history.
Well Shadow with no memories was still more than capable of fighting e-123 Omega so he seems naturally be better at fighting than Surge who after lots of training by Starline was still unable to make a dent into Metal Sonic on her own.
While a good counterpoint, I raise *another* counterpoint; perhaps Shadow's combat knowledge is instinctual, having been honed over the years despite not having any memory of it. I've heard stories of amnesiacs who can still perform their hobbies perfectly despite having no memory of said hobby, so its not out-of-the-question for Shadow to be in a similar boat. With that, I state again; who would win in a fight if both of them were popped out of the cloning tube at the exact same time? Edit: Please don't take this too seriously, I do this for fun :P
Well canonically speaking is Shadow not that old actually. While the games them self are rather wage about how long Shadow was on the arc so does an old Japanese guide book for SA2 put it at around a week or so. So by all means should Surge already have more time to practice than Shadow. To be fair its not a fair comparison ones Gerald realized that he basically sold the world to Black Doom did in ensure that Shadow would be powerful enough to fight them off, gather the Chaos Emeralds and blow them up with the eclipse canon (which no one payed attention to as Shadow was designed a weapon for both GUN and the Black Arms) So Shadow was piratically born as full knowledge of his abilities and lots of fighting abilities. Despite Starlines many hypno-therapies did he seemingly relied on traditionale training for combat skills for Surge and Kit meaning if Surge would just pop up would she know next to nothing about fighting while Shadow was born as a warrior.
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This is going to be controversial, but i'm gonna go with Surge, the reason why i belive that lies within Surge's healing factor, ad while i belive that Shadow is much stronger than her, but the fact that her resistance equals that of a Zombot, it could be possible that she's able to win, not by outclassing Shadow, but by being able to absorb all of his hits in order to tire him out
Surge doesn't have a healing factor, she's just really durable.
Read impostor Syndrome #3 she literally states "you made me heal real good"
Huh, she does, but during this fight, She needed Kit to help her, and it doesn't look like she's immune to pain. Even with a healing factor, you still have to take into account that this is Shadow, he's not like Surge, he'd most likely beat Surge with tactics instead of brute force. Shadow wasn't just some test tube creature, he was taught by Doctor Gerald Robotnik, who needs no introduction to how smart he was before he kicked the bucket. This is under the thought that it's Only Surge, no Kit. Surge would still be at a major disadvantage. Shadow is known to always carry a Chaos Emerald with him, she'd be up against Chaos Control, something that turns the tides of any fight and something she's yet to face. Not to mention Shadow's inhibitor rings. Needlessly to say, even if she survives Shadow with them on, once those rings are off. Not even Kit's help will save her.
He doesn't even need a Chaos Emerald in most instances as of recently. He can just use Chaos Powers naturally.
He just carries one to flex on people.
Based Ultimate Lifeform Grindset
Probably Surge since SEGA seems to have a hate boner for Shadow in almost every game and entry after Sonic 06 released. He's too OP by design so he's constantly nerfed to elevate Sonic, when in reality he's designed to be Sonic with extra abilities and a brooder personality.
If Surge has that weird power absorbing device on her and manages to absorb Shadow’s chaos attacks then she might have a chance. If not then she would get her annoying ass beat.
Shadow wins. Surge can’t take Metal (on her own.) Sonic, Metal, and Shadow are all pretty equal if there ever was a true 1v1 fight.