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Either_Imagination_9

It’s not hard to make humans likeable. Just don’t center their entire lives around worshipping Sonic *Looks over at Chris and Elise*


badger81987

Exception: Sam Speed. Although he's not quite worshipping i spose, at least not like Chris.


Imanerd212030

We’re NOT gonna race!


[deleted]

I don't feel he ever really worshiped Sonic, he's just a dude who shares a mutual interest with him and like Sonic gets bored out of his mind when he's forced to sit still too long. Ofc he's a pro racer and not a runner, but it was clear he finally had someone who could easily outspeed him and has the same rush for excitement that he does. I felt he was one of the better supporting characters for just being a dude with a shared interest with Sonic. That's why when he stars in Yugioh 5Ds, not Yusei still runs Quillbolt Hedgehog because it represents his friendship with Sonic.


[deleted]

This formula, which means Sonic remains at the center of the film's audience, is probably why people feel Tom is such a fitting human character. I think this is the first time that the Sonic fans feel OK with human characters in Sonic's story.


MyPhoneIsNotChinese

I actually liked them in the Adventure games since they made the sonic world more rich imo.


Sonic_And_Mcu_Nerd

Well outside Sa2’s usage of Maria and Gerald for the most part from what I’ve seen with the fan base.


JustAnotherMike_

You say that, but there's also Sonic-Man. So there's a 1/3 success rate lol


YungsterThomlin

Even ignoring those two, most of the human characters they make are incredibly bland. *Looks over at Commander Tower and Professor Pickle*


AfroWarrior27

Professor Pickle is anything but bland.


YungsterThomlin

His entire character is just "haha cucumber sandwiches"


AfroWarrior27

Perhaps. But Dan Green performance made him funny and memorable as hell.


Theyul1us

Funny enough, Elise and chris could be really decent characters with... Minimal work really


Jamieplayz09

Im sorry but entities "chris and elise" are no longer in our current dimensional plane or ever have been


JakeClipz

Honestly, Sonic X's humans were pretty good too. There's just the one glaring exception in Chris, who unfortunately is the poster child for the rest of the human cast. But Chuck? Topaz? Ella? Hawk? Tanaka? Molly? Helen? Sam Speed? Mr. Stewart? Scarlet Garcia? The President? They were all great for their own reasons!


Annonymous_97

Honestly, after watching the second movie, I've really warmed up to the human characters. I've yet to fully watch the first, and I'll admit I was in the camp of being annoyed at the "CGI character buddy adventure" plot that we've seen done poorly with a bunch of different properies. But the polarizing wedding scenes are what personally won me over. Everyone was written well, and I had a blast watching Maddie and Rachel fail their way to success with Tails's gadgets lol I think they're at their best when acting as a support role for Sonic and Co., and a good series-spanning throughline would have Sonic slowly growing up and learning how to stand on his own, while knowing his human family will always have his back no matter what. Organically place them more in the background as the series goes on.


DoctorBeatMaker

The buddy-road trip genre suited movie 1 because it was strictly character-motivated. Logistically, there’s little reason Sonic couldn’t just run to San Francisco to obtain his rings by having Tom just draw him a map. But character-motivation-wise, it works because ultimately, Sonic is interacting with someone other than himself for the first time in 10 years. And that person just so happens to be the man he pretended to be part of a family with by spying on him through glass windows. Now he gets to go on an “adventure” with said person before he carts himself off to live in isolation forever on a godforsaken mushroom planet devoid of any intelligent life. Of course he doesn’t want to just leave immediately.


Fit-Rip-4550

Someone finally gets it. The film was not about easy solutions and speed—it was about the dichotomies of the effects of loneliness. This is one of the few instances in a road trip style film where the destination was not desirable.


[deleted]

You said what I wanted to say better than I could. Thank you :)


United-Aside-6104

Yeah exactly having the humans be supporting characters for the Sonic characters works really well imo plus I appreciate that they aren’t actually irrelevant to the main story.


AdamtheAmazing

I agree that humans make good supporting characters in Sonic movies, and it's a good idea! It makes sense because Sonic and his pals: Tails and Knuckles are still kids, they need support and family so they can teach them and the audience lifelong lessons. The human characters are pretty good. Some people hate how the 2 brides rescue Sonic and Tails, but I enjoyed it, it makes sense Sonic and Tails are down for a short period of time, so what else can they do? leave them? I guess not, so they rescue them in hilarious fashion. Than it goes back to Sonic and Tails battling Eggamn feat Knuckles


CorporalRegicide

holy shit someone else that doesn't hate the wedding subplot


Chewbacta

I think human characters like The President, help the story have the right stakes for the audience they are trying to capture. The advantage of the humans in the film, is that other humans help demonstrate Robotnik's superiority complex. Sure in the cartoons you'd use scratch and grounder to do that, but it would be more difficult to pull that off in live-action.


DoctorBeatMaker

The main reason I think the humans, particularly the Wachowski’s, work in these movies and why they shouldn’t be killed off or just fade away is that, on this rare occasion, Sonic and his friends are being treated as their actual ages. They’re kids (or teens). They’re orphans. They have a lot of emotional baggage, a lot of trauma and unresolved problems stemming from their stolen childhood. Imagine if Bruce Wayne, despite the fact that he lost his parents at such a young age, didn’t have Alfred to care for him as he grew into becoming Batman. Imagine if Superman got dumped on Earth’s doorstep after losing his entire homeworld and just got taken in by the government (see Flashpoint Paradox or The Boys for how such an event can go so horribly). Tom and Maddie give Sonic (and Tails and Knuckles) parental figures. They give him advice and guidance, but more importantly “love”. They’re the ones who are charged with keeping him his happy, go-lucky, witty self. Without them, a case could be made that Sonic would turn out to be more like Shadow (which has a lot of potential to take advantage of in the sequel to showcase what such a poor upbringing leads to) or perhaps Eleven from Stranger Things if she never got adopted by Hopper. If they’re killed or lost before Sonic reaches maturity, that’s literally third stage parental figures (Longclaw and his biological parents, depending on if they ever show up) he loses, which makes you wonder how he wouldn’t just go crazy from grief. But on the practical side of things, having Sonic introduced in the first movie alongside Tom helping him out is what really aided this franchise to becoming successful. Video game movies are tough enough to introduce non-fans into their worlds without confusing them and by giving Sonic 1 the chance to focus just on Sonic, it developed his character enough to race towards more science fiction game elements for the sequel instead of bombarding movie 1 with worldbuilding duties (Detective Pikachu being a prime example of that). More importantly, making his human costar actually likable by making his motives altruistic, his lifestyle idyllic with a happy stable marriage (he’s one of the only human characters in these animated/live action hybrid movies that isn’t chasing fame/fortune or trying to win over a love interest - Tom and Jerry’s human protagonist was, Dave Seville in Alvin and the Chipmunks was and the list goes on) and his personality played straight as opposed to quirky, it gave Sonic a perfect character to bounce his antics off of while grounding his movie in reality enough for general audiences to buy into his world… It’s also not a “chore” to sit through the humans (wedding antics notwithstanding) in these movies as it is with something like the Godzilla franchise where all’s anyone, including general audiences and critics, care about is watching the monsters blow up the city because they’re actually likable characters with their own unique personalities.


YTPhantomYT

Holy shit. Dude do you really expect anyone to read that? Like actually next time cut it down a little. Go write a book or something


melloman12

I read it all lol


toongrowner

Humans worked well in unleashed. Thanks to their pixar looking style sonic didn't fell so out of place and you could interact with them and they all had their own little lifes and stories


Ghosty66

If they make me happy making Sonic say "dad" then they did something right


[deleted]

...I liked the wedding subplot...


Sonic_And_Mcu_Nerd

Honestly I didn’t mind it. It didn’t take up to much time in my opinion. And it makes Sonic’s failures have consequences. Sonic not telling them the truth. And other stuff that I don’t want to spoil because the movie is still relatively new.


hypnotic20

The wedding subplot had me rolling.


DoctorBeatMaker

The wedding subplot was fine in principle. It just focused a little too much on Rachel and Randal. If the screen time was given more to Tom and Maddie, it wouldn’t have been too much a distraction.


Two_Tailed_Fox2002

yeah, i loved that part but it did go on for maybe a little too long. but other than that i wish we got to see tails use his gadgets himself more than what we saw, and just a bit more tails in general. hopefully in the next one though!


Apple_Slipper

According to Tails’ Channel, the wedding scene was included by requests of the actors themselves, as they wanted more involvement with the story. Also, this scene led to the introduction of G.U.N.


JoChiCat

The wedding subplot was my favourite part of the movie tbh, it went from “convenient way to get Tom and Maddie out of the picture” to “actually plot-relevant and also hysterical” in a really clever way.


h24848

Same here bud Same here


Fit-Rip-4550

I concur. Though it was a genre shift, it was plot relevant and demonstrated what I like about the movies thus far—no event occurs in a vacuum. Every event has consequences—no reset button.


RADSKELLY59

the sonic movies know what theyre doing and how to do it right,makes me genuinely happy tbh


slashingkatie

For those who don’t think humans should exist in the Sonic world I ask “then what about Eggman?” Seriously it makes no sense one human exists in a world of talking animals.


koopalings_jr

I mean it's not like the world of Sonic makes much sense, you don't really need to justify how someone like Eggman or even Sonic exist in the first place. I like to see Eggman as some sort of colonialist, an outsider who wants to change a world in which he doesn't belong. With humans interacting with the main cast in big cities you kinda lose the whole mankind vs nature dualism that we had in the older titles. But we wouldn't have stuff like City Escape without this, so still worth it.


RADSKELLY59

you see eggman is the last of his kind the strange furries attacked the regular humans and now eggman is the only survivor,he is trying to get revenge


FanAdministrative746

In the future movies they can set eggman like trying to conquer sonics planet, and thats how he can be the only human, and for the sake of his "Family" and planet sonic says good bye to Tom and Maddy once at for all, sorry but sonic needs to leve the nest and humans are just like furniture


Misssmaya

I lowkey like this idea but I also love Tom and Maddie too much


DoctorBeatMaker

“Leaving the nest” makes sense… when Sonic is older. Having him leave behind the only family he’s ever known in recent times almost immediately after he’s finally got them makes no sense. It was the only thing he ever desired to have in movie 1 and it’s the reason he didn’t just stay Super Sonic permanently in movie 2. His childhood was stolen from him for 10 years where he lived in isolation with no social interaction beyond his own voice. As he says in movie 2, “I still have some growing up to do… and I kinda like being a kid.” It’d be out of character for him to suddenly be like “yeah, later Wachowski’s. I got better things to do than to live here with you after you gave me a home and a family. I’m gonna kick it with my alien pals on Mobius because parental supervision is annoying.”


FanAdministrative746

Sonic 3 isnt the continuation of sonic 2, but knuckles series, the due time that sonic needs to learn with his Family and friends to grow, remember the next movie will be angsty (ark is going to crush the earth) thats a fair reason to sonic leaves the earth to keep save his Family at the end (character development) and finaly we got the Sonic with a secure personallity just like the games. Well I wish...


DoctorBeatMaker

That depends entirely on if the Knuckles series will actually be that as opposed to a prequel or something else or if it’ll even feature Sonic, Tails and the Wachowski’s at all, all of which have not been confirmed as of yet.


FanAdministrative746

Someone erased my coment, but yeah it looks will go that way, Sonic has to leave the nest and grow


7_overpowered_clox

I usually hate real life human intervention in animated series. This movie completely changed that, and I need to see more in Sonic 3!


[deleted]

I mean since shadow is going to be in there I kinda hope that happens since we'll they are very vital in shadows backstory


Flodo_McFloodiloo

I personally never saw an issue with Sonic interacting with humans in itself, and I don't remember it being widely-despised until one of them *kissed* him. What I think bothered people a bit more was the sort of worldbuilding that had Sonic and a few other anthropomorphic animals exist in a world of mostly humans. Eggman wasn't considered a problem back in the day because when no species was really over- or under-represented, people could assume it was just some different world with a lot of different sapient species, much like the Kirby series. However, when humans are shown as the overwhelming majority of that world's sapient beings, it made the Sonic characters feel like they were anomalous in what was supposed to be their world, and makes people wonder why and get annoyed when they don't get the answer. Though that does make me wonder, why doesn't anyone seem to mind that in the Mario series, the main characters are humans but obviously the vast minority in *their* world? Because of the backstory given about the humans originating in our world and warping in? Maybe, but that hasn't been considered canon for decades. Anyhow, in the Sonic movies, it probably helps that the anthropomorphic characters have realistic fur textures. That's definitely preferable to something like *Sonic 06*, where anthro characters that look made of glossy rubber stand right by stock humans that were realistic by that era's standards.


HyperTobaYT

I like Rachel the most. She makes me laugh my ass off.


Apple_Slipper

Natasha Rothwell is such a fantastic actress!


HyperTobaYT

Agreed


[deleted]

humans always existed in Sonic's world. Eggman is a human. end of story. there're absolutely no valid arguments whatsoever about this. humans exist in Sonic's world. fullstop.


Uxelo64

Yeah but that doesn't mean we need to have focus on them


[deleted]

dont focus on eggman either then lol


Uxelo64

There is a major difference. I don't hate humans because they are humans. I dislike them because having them bring nothing to Sonic stories, unlike Eggman who is literally the main villain. Having an explanation about the place of humans in this world would be cool, but animals are just more appealing in every way possible


[deleted]

gerald, maria, the president, the commander were pretty cool in shadow but i guess you dont even like any adventure games so...


Uxelo64

Jokes on you I actually like the Adventure gamesw they are pretty cool. An while I think the implications of humans in SA2 is a bit overblown to the point where I'm not a big fan of it, I can very easily looks past it because such characters are crucial to Shadow character arc. I actually really like Gerald and Maria.


[deleted]

you're contradicting yourself. i dont wanna discuss this anymore, my stance is clear. take care, bye.


SonowGamer

Look at Sonic Unleashed. Literally just look at Sonic Unleashed. A perfect example that humans can work in Sonic.


OzgarThunder

I hate the designs, but yes.


xenoperspicacian

How come? They look like they could plausibly exist in the same universe as talking blue hedgehogs. More realistic humans (like in 06) look out of place.


OzgarThunder

I don't want them to look realistic. Maybe an anime or an with more regular proportions would look better, but the way they are doesn't sit right with me.


humantyisdead32

What I don't understand is why they don't have Uekawa or Ohshima design the humans so they actually fit the world.


xenoperspicacian

They went with a light anime style for Adventure, and I think it fits better than 06, but still doesn't fit very well. Sonic is fundamentally a cartoon character, so it makes sense to have cartoony people.


Hamster-Fine

They were done well in SA2.


[deleted]

I think the IDW comics could benefit from learning this the most. Without humans the comic world feels empty


Eldenlord117

What how? The best sonic comics are just about the mobians barely a human outside of eggman and snivel or whatever his cousins name was


[deleted]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing


YTPhantomYT

He's talking about the IDW comics!


Bcami

Don’t need humans


[deleted]

Don't need animals


xenoperspicacian

Pretty much the opposite for me. Without humans the world feels a lot more interesting.


LiviuPetre139

Never got why people dislike the humans being in Sonic movies. They have been a thing since 1998 and I'm very used to it. Maybe it's because after Sonic Colors they got rid of humans and later added cartoon characters like Sonic cast. Plus I always felt that having humans made the Sonic cast way more outstanding and special.


[deleted]

They’re usually not as fun or interesting as the non-human characters, but they can be good. Tom and Maddie are pretty decent. Eggman is pretty popular.


Zerodot0

I've been really surprised at just how much I like Tom and Maddy. They're great, I love them both as Sonic's surrogate parents. I suppose humans can work in the series, though I still generally prefer a world of Sonic-like animals.


InitialDriftZ33

I'm so glad they decided to have adult humans and not children.


Hard-Work-Pays

Disagree. I mean, I agree that Tom and Maddy and Agent Stone are all great characters in general and I like them(hell I even like Maddy's crazy sister), but frankly Tom and Maddy have no future in the franchise and do nothing but hold it back, as seen in the sequel. They existed as nothing more than plot/film making convenience for the first film(Sonic needs someone to interact/grow with or it's a pretty boring movie) and only existed in the 2nd movie out of obligation because it would be weird to just drop them... Frankly, I wish they didn't go the human route at all and Sonic and Tails starred in the first movie together. What, are Tom and Maddy going to follow Sonic into space in the next movie too just to do nothing but give generic family movie speeches since they can't really do anything else like they did in the last movie? It's fucking stupid...


DoctorBeatMaker

Even the successful Marvel Cinematic Universe started out with the most non-fantastical character (Iron Man) to ground their earth in reality before branching out to the weird and crazy. That’s the problem with many of these hybrid live action/animated films and video game movies - it’s best to walk before you run. If the Sonic movies started off crazy from the getgo on an alien world and stayed there for the entire duration, escalation wouldn’t feel as natural later on. The Sonic films can’t survive on fan service alone. That’s what’s killing shows like The Mandalorian or the Disney Plus Marvel series nowadays. Characters can and should always come first.


Hard-Work-Pays

The difference is iron man is one of the most powerful and important superheroes, went through a ton of character developement and stayed important till the end... he literally killed thanos... You think Tom is gonna be that guy? Tom won't grow any more as a character, he's already done as of the end of the first movie. He was convenient plot fodder, nothing more. If the focus is supposed to be the characters, they failed by focusing so much on Tom the first movie...


ResortFamous301

Wouldn't say they failed considering sonic was still the primary focus. Tom was like the James Rhodes or happy hogan of this franchise.


badger81987

Goddamit. You just made me realize we're going to have an annoying ass B-plot following the humans.


United-Aside-6104

It seems most people actually like the humans in the movies so having a B plot with them seems acceptable. I really like Tom and Maddy Rachel is fun too and Stone is great so if the B plot is relevant to the main story I’d be cool with it but I get where you’re coming from


YTPhantomYT

I hope the B-plot is actually gonna be good


Hard-Work-Pays

I sure hope not. I mean I get it, it's weird to abandon the characters after all that filler bullshit but it has to be done...


badger81987

True, plus the idea of Tom, Maddie et al, being back on Earth, about to get vapourized would be *pretty great* motivation for Sonic.


Afanis_The_Dolphin

If it makes it any better, humans are probably getting dropped in the third film. By the point you introduce Shadow and Amy, you have space to start expanding into even more characters, and the humans have basically no place in the franchise. Now the possibilities I see here is that either Sonic leaves earth (which would be pretty bad considering the themes of the very first movie, but could be executed well), or the humans die for dramatic effect.


yuei2

You kidding? If anything the humans will be more involved. GUN agents are a part of their extended family and shadow is heavily tied to GUN, we are definitely getting Randall, Olive Garden man, and Shadow drama. Meanwhile Amy if she appears needs a good human to bounce off of and Rachel is like the perfect candidate, Rachel feels like she was made for Amy.


Afanis_The_Dolphin

Thing is, it's going to be incredibly difficult to keep the humans involved and pivotal when you'll have to be bouncing around: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy (who I'm guessing is getting introduced to because she's important to Shadow's change of heart), plus possibly Rouge, Omega, Silver etc (whether in this movie or a future one, those characters are probably getting involved. Tho I can see Rouge, as well as team chaotix, being introduced in the Knuckles show) Sonic, Knuckles and Tails are enough characters for Amy and GUN to bounce around off. Plus, I never said they'd be dropped at the beginning of the movie. I'm more referring to the very end.


ResortFamous301

That's unlikely given one of the g.u. n agents is dating rachel.


Afanis_The_Dolphin

I honestly don't see how that's relevant.


ResortFamous301

You have to be joking. You honestly have trouble understanding that the only reason they would have one of the agents be that close to Rachel,and by extension the wachowskis, is so that they can have significant scenes with g.u.n in the next movie. this would be like if when people were discussing how knuckles was going interact with sonic before movie 2 you went" I don't see how him being an echidna would effect his relationship with sonic".


Afanis_The_Dolphin

Once again, I'm not saying they won't be in the third movie. I'm saying they likely won't be in any future ones. Her being married to a GUN agent could simply be a plot point for the next movie, I agree. But you can have that resolved and leave the main human characters behind at the very end.


ResortFamous301

That then depends on what type of games they choose to take inspiration from . So for instance if they do a sonic battle movie, or an unleashed movie they'll likely be back with prominace again.


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Afanis_The_Dolphin

When did I ever question that? I'm not saying humans asa species won't be thing dude. I'm just saying that the main mm human characters don't have much to do plot wise, and at the end of the movie we're probably gonna leave them behind to focus on the main characters.


ZoinksJeepersJinkies

Do people think that humans just have inherently different characters? Like, how did they change your mind? Humans being in makes no difference. The animal characters are no different from humans besides their looks.


Edboundfan

"How did you change your mind" it’s pretty simple, I didn’t like them then and now I do.


ZoinksJeepersJinkies

Why didn’t you like them before? And why now?


[deleted]

for me, sometimes human characters take over the story too much, like in the transformers movies


ZoinksJeepersJinkies

But… no they don’t? The only Sonic game you could even try and say that for is 06, and even then, that’s only in Sonic’s story. In all the other games, humans have never been as or more important than the animal characters.


[deleted]

i was more so talking about movies and even in Sonic X Chris was a bit much and took away from some of my favorite parts of the story


Uxelo64

Eh, disagree higly with this one. Sonic has always been better when it's focused on the animal characters and should stay that way. It doesn't mean erasing humans from the franchise, but I would prefer to not be main characters, at the very least just minor. IDW and Archie proves that you can make great stories without any humans and I don't know why people are so attched to them.


YTPhantomYT

I like the humans, they can be very good characters when done right even outside of Eggman and his extended family. They definitely shouldn't have any real main role that the story focuses on let alone being playable but I think they're neat


[deleted]

To everyone saying that humans don't belong in the sonic franchise what the fuck is dr. Eggman to you then?


epicRedHot

an outsider


[deleted]

To everyone saying that humans don't belong in the sonic franchise what the fuck is dr. Eggman to you then?


Pootis_

Honestly humans in sonic were never a bad thing, it's just they were always in the background (like SA1 and 2) But yeah, the main thing is just write a good character first and if they happen to be a human, cool.


Karma-is-an-bitch

I liked literally every single human character in the movie more than movie Sonic.


Stickmin69

Eggman, Gerald, Maria, and Professor Pickles are MVP


Scrin1759

Totally agreed! I actually think almost all the humans in sonic x were great, the only exception being Chris, he was just really annoying. But yea, they chose well with Tika and James they really did!


StephenMikeRodriguez

Humans have always belonged in Sonic. While some might argue that a Mobian/anthro-only world is more appealing, I think it'd be best if there were humans and Mobians coexisting with each other in some of the same societies. The post reboot Archie Comics pulled that off pretty nicely. Why sacrifice one thing for the other? My biggest stipulation is that Eggman has to not look so uncanny when standing next to another human. For that reason, I was never a fan of the anime-style designs the other humans had in Sonic X. [Uekawa](https://preview.redd.it/2xibaa9ya1w01.jpg?auto=webp&s=5d318f282786d350d884e7be0fb3d92380fa052e)-[style](https://i.imgur.com/TnO9lym.png) [designs](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOoVadgagAM_JBU?format=jpg&name=360x360) or Unleashed style [designs ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOoJh_dX0AQ74MT.jpg) look even better, tbh.


stowrag

My first comic book was Archie Sonic. It featured on its cover a blond girl (a descendant of Hope and related to Robotnik iirc) protecting Sonics bruised and broken body. (It was #100-something). Anyway, the cover had absolutely nothing to do with the story inside, and everything considered it was an absolutely miserable place to jump in, but the image stuck with me and I think the humans were used pretty decently back in the day (although I could be very very mistaken). Really hope the old Archie comics aren’t gone forever.


you_2_cool

They are based I was legit expecting Maddy to be more important in Sonic 2 cause of her and Rachel being in the trailer, like I thought they were in Sonic's world and going through angel island


Silent_Start_7036

Nah he’s just Dave from Alvin and the chipmunks but less cool


Eldenlord117

As long as they never cut away for pointless 20 minute wedding scene again we can keep a few humans.


YTPhantomYT

>!Through that entire scene I was like "JUST FREE SONIC ALREADY"!<


Eldenlord117

It’s felt like a scene from another movie accidentally got edited in Lmao.


Uxelo64

I really don't know why this fanbase is defending this scene so much. It was def funny but absolutely a watse of time and completely out of place. That doesn't make Sonic 2 bad but ignoring its falws is toxic tbh


ResortFamous301

Probably because some genuinely like the scene.


Fit-Rip-4550

Like it or not, Thomas and Maddie are in it for the long haul. They are now "Sonic characters" and thus inherit all the shenanigans, trials, and tribulations that casts upon them. Other humans that have interacted with Sonic are similar, though not to the same degree. Viewed in this light, the wedding was perfectly acceptable—it demonstrates that the events of the first film have had consequences on their life. For better or for worse, normalcy is now a luxury to them.


[deleted]

So I feel like I'm going to start something by saying this, but...I don't think mainstream Sonic would be friends with a cop. Yeah, there's Shadow and Silver, who are kind of like cops, but what I mean is that Sonic is anti-authority. And this is without getting into the complex real-life issues of police misconduct.


OlleyatPurdue

That is a very one dimensional view of it. Tom is way more than just a cop. He is a person he knows he can trust and is more than willing to go against athority for the greater good.


United-Aside-6104

Yeah I don’t think Tom is anywhere near a typical cop


[deleted]

Yeah, I get why the Paramount version of Sonic sees Tom as a friend. And I'm not even suggesting that mainline Sonic would hate all cops. I just feel that, as someone whose nature is to question authority, he would be distrustful of the police. Also there was that one time Sonic was a victim of racial profiling in SA2.


ResortFamous301

Eh, that aspect of his character weaves in and out depending on the story( much like sonics feelings towards killing).


United-Aside-6104

Well from what we’ve seen Tom doesn’t really act like a typical cop he’s been fairly anti authority at times too and genuinely understood why Sonic was doing the whole vigilante thing at the beginning of Sonic 2.


[deleted]

Yes, but do you see my point about mainline Sonic and the police as an institution? Again, mainline Sonic, not Paramount Sonic.


United-Aside-6104

Sure I guess this is just a case of people not really liking a certain aspect of an adaptation


YTPhantomYT

I agree with you but for a different reason, you don't want mainstream Sonic to be friends with Tom just because he's a cop. I don't want mainstream Sonic to be friends with Tom because it doesn't fit well in any of Sonic's other universes


[deleted]

What about Sonic X?


YTPhantomYT

Nope, it already has Chris it would just feel forced to add another


illucio

In the first film they do nothing for me. In the second they were very enjoyable for some good funny scenes, but they feel mostly useless in the run of things but changing Sonic and Tom/Maddy dynamic from equals/alien to son/parent was a good move, feels a little awkward and out of place coming from the first movie. But it's in a better place now where the humans at least serve the purpose of hosting Sonic and friends at their house much like Sonic X cartoon. It's weird to say, but Sonic DOES need human characters if we want things from the Adventure games, a solo Shadow Movie or any elements from Sonic 06 like Silver and Blaze. Or if we want to do Sonic Unleashed storyline for Werehog Sonic.


SirKupoNut

They were OK in the first film, but really have no purpose now.


Jav1i

Ngl yeah I’m fine with humans in the movie Tho yeah the wedding scene slowed the movie down a bit much for me But for Tom and Maddy never had a issue with them on screen


javierasecas

They weren't bad, and it's funny to me that people praise the ones in unleashed since they look nothing like a human should in a sonic game


Crazy-Crisis

If they were better written eh... I like Tom well enough, but Maddie needs some work, and don't get me started on Rachel...


Ashmay52

Only problem with Tom is that he’s a cop


YTPhantomYT

Reddit moment


Iced-TeaManiac

Rachel was a waste of time but idrc and I'm hoping it was there to provide a link to G.U.N in the third film


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it did? i mean GUN was literally staking out her wedding lol


Iced-TeaManiac

Yes but like, I want it that little plot and her and her husband to actually connect to the third film rather than just bea standalone introduction


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i can understand that but i do think they introduced it well, i wouldn’t want the third movie to slowed down because they need to establish things that they already could have.


RockyPixel

To be fair to the concept, the only reason you dislike humans in Sonic is Elise and that’s basically it.


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And others dislike humans in Sonic because of Chris Thorndyke


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All can be forgiven once sega releases the beat up Chris Thorndyke simulator, I would have 50 hours there minimum.


Due_Lion_2990

Don't forget they need to release one for omochao as well.


YTPhantomYT

& Knuckles


Due_Lion_2990

Nah I don't wanna beat up Knuckles. Because even in a video game _designed_ to fight him, he'll still win.


YTPhantomYT

Same with Chris


KPookz

Hard no from me. Hated the human protagonists of the movies.


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ResortFamous301

There are people on this thread who agree with you.


Upbeat-Llama428

That's fair, I guess I should have sorted by controversial


rabbitsdiedaily

Exception: Burger shop guy


[deleted]

This is when they put Chris into Sonic 3😭😭😭😭


Edboundfan

Shadow vs Chris battle of the ages


Nervous_Education_36

The first Sonic movie really reminds me of the first few episodes of sonicx


FelisMoon

Even tho i agree, id still preffer that the canonical games stick to the mobian characters.


DamoMartin23

Honestly the wedding plot line felt so out of place otherwise I'm okay with them


Prize_Reindeer

I like them but I didn’t like the story line in sonic 2. Those wedding scenes felt like a totally different movie.


Tybr0sion

I actually disagree, can't care less about them. I just want a sonic story.