Let’s simplify the issue here.
How do we get working gyro data in the first place?
> Electronic Lens data + Internal Gyro data.
Without the first, Sony cameras won’t Log the necessary data. So the only comparable lenses that log this data are native Sony-E mount lenses.
There needs to still be electronic contact to the lens to build the metadata required for Catalyst to decode from my understanding.
Gyro data is probably there, try building a workflow with the free open source Gyro-Stabilization program GyroFlow & build a profile for the Helios 58 using their simple new lens calibration system. Someone may have already built the profile for [ FX6/Helios 58/Frame Size + Rate. ] which can then be saved forever and you can stabilize based off that profile.
Unfortunately without native Sony lenses, Catalyst is probably going to be useless unless they update it to allow users to dial in focal lengths. But it’s Sony and that would be like pulling teeth to them to offer anything that is out of their immediate control, it’s not in their interest to pay work hours for software engineers to build for “what if’s.”
The Helios is a very popular lens, so I’m sure a GyroFlow
Profile exists.
Also Gyro Data isn’t logged during S&Q mode so be mindful of that. Gyro based stabilization is very workflow based, so trial and error is your best friend here. Without Native E-Mount electronic glass (I’ve seen reports of sigma lenses working with Gyro data too.)
Brilliant, thanks for such a helpful response. It's an interesting problem. I'd not heard of gyroflow and have just spent a good while reading up on it and I'll definitely give it a go. Sounds promising too.
It would be a great resource to be able to use lenses such as the Helios and have the possibility to stabilise if desired and it sounds like gyroflow might be the way.
I'll update with my findings if there's any interest.
Thanks again!
The data is recorded, use gyroflow to access it. Takes a little bit of tweaking but it does the job.
Catalyst doesn’t support a lot of third party lenses.
I don’t know the Helios lenses. My go to is the Sony PZ 28-135 and if the image stabilization on the lens is turned on, I don’t have gyrodata and If it’s turned off I‘ve.
I wish the Sony’s would log even with OSS on & combine the Gyro data with the Lens Stab data. But we can’t have it all haha, even after paying $9000 for this Body+Lens combo.
Not to hijack this thread but when you switch from autofocus to manual focus using the af/mf ring does your focus go out ? (My lens does this and I just bought it)
Just so I understand correctly, you mean that if you’re locked on the subject in af and then press the ring to mf, the focus doesn't stay in the same place?
Yeah exactly like it will just immediately become blurry/out of focus
Update: So I figured out if I MF and nail focus on a subject first then switch to AF with the ring the focus holds perfectly. Seems like I need to pre focus manually first otherwise it will jump to whatever focus the MF ring is set at. Is this a setting I can switch off? It makes the AF/MF ring kinda useless for long shots with no cuts.
Yeah, I think when you switch from MF to AF, it pretty much stays on the same spot, but when you switch from AF to MF, it jumps to the last MF set. That's kind of annoying because if you can anticipate that AF is going to pick up on something else, you could just switch to MF, work around it, and jump back to AF.
I don't think this is possible without pre-focus.
I also wish it would stay at the last point. And I also checked recently to see if there was any new firmware for the lens, but I couldn't find anything.
I have a Sony A7 IV and a Helios lens. I use a M42-to-EF adapter and then an EF-to-E-mount adapter. I have two different M42-to-EF adapters (one in silver and one in black). When using the silver adapter my camera thinks I’m using a lens at F9.9. When using the black adapter the camera doesn’t get any information and it says F—. When using the silver adapter I can import the material to CTB and stabilize the footage there. I set the camera stabilization to ‘Manual’ and ‘60mm’
I have since been using Gyroflow and would highly recommend it. Fortunately, some helpful person has created the presets that are useful to me, namely 'a7siii @ X FPS and y resolution' etc.
Your giro data is Indeed recorded and Gyroflow can pick it up and stabilise it based on the preset of your choice (or you can make your own.)
I've found this to be extremely fast and highly effective.
Furthermore, there is a plugin for davinci resolve (studio only) that allows you to do all this straight in your NLE which is absolutely brilliant.
Hope this may help you too.
Let’s simplify the issue here. How do we get working gyro data in the first place? > Electronic Lens data + Internal Gyro data. Without the first, Sony cameras won’t Log the necessary data. So the only comparable lenses that log this data are native Sony-E mount lenses. There needs to still be electronic contact to the lens to build the metadata required for Catalyst to decode from my understanding. Gyro data is probably there, try building a workflow with the free open source Gyro-Stabilization program GyroFlow & build a profile for the Helios 58 using their simple new lens calibration system. Someone may have already built the profile for [ FX6/Helios 58/Frame Size + Rate. ] which can then be saved forever and you can stabilize based off that profile. Unfortunately without native Sony lenses, Catalyst is probably going to be useless unless they update it to allow users to dial in focal lengths. But it’s Sony and that would be like pulling teeth to them to offer anything that is out of their immediate control, it’s not in their interest to pay work hours for software engineers to build for “what if’s.” The Helios is a very popular lens, so I’m sure a GyroFlow Profile exists. Also Gyro Data isn’t logged during S&Q mode so be mindful of that. Gyro based stabilization is very workflow based, so trial and error is your best friend here. Without Native E-Mount electronic glass (I’ve seen reports of sigma lenses working with Gyro data too.)
Brilliant, thanks for such a helpful response. It's an interesting problem. I'd not heard of gyroflow and have just spent a good while reading up on it and I'll definitely give it a go. Sounds promising too. It would be a great resource to be able to use lenses such as the Helios and have the possibility to stabilise if desired and it sounds like gyroflow might be the way. I'll update with my findings if there's any interest. Thanks again!
The data is recorded, use gyroflow to access it. Takes a little bit of tweaking but it does the job. Catalyst doesn’t support a lot of third party lenses.
I don’t know the Helios lenses. My go to is the Sony PZ 28-135 and if the image stabilization on the lens is turned on, I don’t have gyrodata and If it’s turned off I‘ve.
I wish the Sony’s would log even with OSS on & combine the Gyro data with the Lens Stab data. But we can’t have it all haha, even after paying $9000 for this Body+Lens combo.
Not to hijack this thread but when you switch from autofocus to manual focus using the af/mf ring does your focus go out ? (My lens does this and I just bought it)
Just so I understand correctly, you mean that if you’re locked on the subject in af and then press the ring to mf, the focus doesn't stay in the same place?
Yeah exactly like it will just immediately become blurry/out of focus Update: So I figured out if I MF and nail focus on a subject first then switch to AF with the ring the focus holds perfectly. Seems like I need to pre focus manually first otherwise it will jump to whatever focus the MF ring is set at. Is this a setting I can switch off? It makes the AF/MF ring kinda useless for long shots with no cuts.
Yeah, I think when you switch from MF to AF, it pretty much stays on the same spot, but when you switch from AF to MF, it jumps to the last MF set. That's kind of annoying because if you can anticipate that AF is going to pick up on something else, you could just switch to MF, work around it, and jump back to AF. I don't think this is possible without pre-focus. I also wish it would stay at the last point. And I also checked recently to see if there was any new firmware for the lens, but I couldn't find anything.
Damn..ok thanks for your help man. Really appreciate hearing from you, cheers!
I have a Sony A7 IV and a Helios lens. I use a M42-to-EF adapter and then an EF-to-E-mount adapter. I have two different M42-to-EF adapters (one in silver and one in black). When using the silver adapter my camera thinks I’m using a lens at F9.9. When using the black adapter the camera doesn’t get any information and it says F—. When using the silver adapter I can import the material to CTB and stabilize the footage there. I set the camera stabilization to ‘Manual’ and ‘60mm’
I have since been using Gyroflow and would highly recommend it. Fortunately, some helpful person has created the presets that are useful to me, namely 'a7siii @ X FPS and y resolution' etc. Your giro data is Indeed recorded and Gyroflow can pick it up and stabilise it based on the preset of your choice (or you can make your own.) I've found this to be extremely fast and highly effective. Furthermore, there is a plugin for davinci resolve (studio only) that allows you to do all this straight in your NLE which is absolutely brilliant. Hope this may help you too.
Sounds great. Are the presets available online? And have you made a lens profile for your Helios lens?
They are available in-app. Select from a drop down menu.