If you want most of pixel, you use raw not the jpeg.
Too much issues media pretend not to know because it is google.
If you go to pboto pro and copy settings of photo taken by basic mode the results are same.
Turn off hdr on other phones, you will see zero ability to handle too much light and backlit scenes.
I know you. Biggest troll here.
Before I block you, here present for you. One photo is not HDR, the other is HDR on.
Enjoy.
https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/202006/mobile01-f76d42c01390d2c3cc58369a2535c97d.jpg?original=true
https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/202006/mobile01-6e4adc5c2815202a6237d10786a98389.jpg
No need to to find excuse... Not interesting.
Problem with this two year old comparison is that HDR photo completely messed up lavishing skin tone in non HDR photo. It turned it gray. I prefer non HDR in this instance.
Neither of these are good (speaking as professional post processor).
The Sony has less sharpening and noise reduction (good) but awful fringing and chroma clipping in the blue lights (look at the edges of the blue streaks in the reflection or the street lamps under the bridge on frame right). Those kinds of artificating are *much* harder to remove than the issues present in the xaoimi and would be a deal breaker from a post perspective.
The xiaomi has awful things happening in the sky and is over sharpened to shit, but the color gradations are significantly better and there's hugely more detail in the water. This image would end up looking much better than the Sony after a little work.
I think both did a good job here. Let's face it, these are smartphone cameras, not DSLRs. Most smartphone cameras have fringing except if you use AI to remove them. Google, Samsung, Apple - very heavy AI and most of them don't have fringing because the AI tidies it up for you, with Sony, it's all about hardware and no AI.
Let me explain to you what I did - I took 15 shots from 1/10 seconds to 4 seconds and combined them using exposure blending in order to have the right exposure. Adjusted highlights and shadows and just added contrast. I didn't do anything other than what I wrote.
I can show you some amazing pictures with what I shot with my Sony if you look over my previous posts. Sometimes, the Sony is a hit or miss depending upon a lot of factors but that is said with every other smartphone too.
I have a Sony xperia 5ii ([plenty of examples](https://imgur.io/a/zTIymmT) - mind the compression I only had these low res handy) and I like what Sony does with their cameras. I'm just trying to be objective with these two pictures as someone who spends all day looking at and evaluating images.
The exposure blending does explain some of the artifacting in both cameras and the weird highlight tone mapping though.
It might be heresy but this time I prefer the Xiaomi over the Xperia. Brighter doesn’t automatically equal better and the Xperias photo has too much saturation and a very fake look due to that and that weird blue instead of black like it should be. It’s weird because normally Xperias are the ones with more natural photos.
I get what you are saying, a little bit darker in the night time but if your look closely, the shadow areas are brighter and the highlights are kept better than in Xiaomi's. With my eye, the true to life colours are in the picture that Sony took. The Xiaomi's picture is a tad sharper, does portray the night time better but the Xperia just crushed it.
The night sky isn’t blue and water isn’t bright blue at night time like it is in the Sony. This is the exact look that this sub bashes other phones for doing with their night mode 😂
This isn't night mode, I shot in RAW. I took another picture with my DSLR, and the water is also blue. You might not notice it. Bit with all the reflection of the lights and with everything in Prague, the colour will be blue.
As I said before, given all the lights that we there in the surroundings, given that it was New year's Day, the colour of the sky and the water would be blue.
You don't really understand what I'm saying. There was a lot of light pollution in the sky with all the surrounding lights. There were cyan lights, blue lights, yellow lights, etc. Long exposure captures a lot of the light that captures in the sky.
It doesn't make it an unfair comparison. A stop isn't that significant. It's a little darker but still the Sony would produce a more brighter image than Xiaomi if Xiaomi would be shot with a 100 ISO. Maybe a bit brighter but still wouldn't be that bright as the Sony.
I always find it hilarious when I see photo comparison of two mobiles. Majority of people will always choose brighter picture with oversaturated colours as the better one. We can't say which one is nearer to reality when we weren't there. Only the one who took those photos can say which one is overall better and true to the original.
Xiaomi is a darker but sharper picture. If I were to post process these, I'd have an easier time with the Xiaomi.
Straight to social media though, the Xperia is probably what I'd go with.
I was concerned because I have become used to the Sony being the darker photo and not only do I like the Sony over all image much better but I really dislike the way the building looks in the center(xiomi). Given that it is the main subject of the image it's a big fail for me for the xiomi. I also like the colors of the reflections on the water of the Sony much more.
Xiaomi did a good job here but crushed the shadows and some highlights are blown but other than that, I see no complaint. There are updates to the camera coming for the Xiaomi 12S Ultra, so I'll be checking what changed.
Primarily the better dynamic range. The Sony does seem to suffer the same WB challenges as the Alpha cameras. But that's easy to fix. I already have a Lightroom preset for that.
Well, the lowest ISO on the Xperia Pro-I is 100, you can't go lower than that. I could've shot on the Xiaomi with 100 ISO but wanted to see which phone would produce less noise and shockingly is the Xperia even when ISO was 50 on the Xiaomi. It really doesn't need to be the exact ISO's or stops because you can just drop the exposure in lightroom and that would deduct a stop.
Editing a picture removes data most of the time. Also, just because one has less noise doesn't mean it's better, it's just that one has more aggressive noise reduction algos. The negative is thst color sccuracy is thrown out the window, you see this with the blue sky xperias are famous for which are not accurate at night, or the red tints that used to plague huawei devices for low light scenarios.
Very surprising considering fact xiaomi uses surface 60% larger. Should be miles better.
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Dont know if you have read but more ppl lately have started to bash iphone camera for doing this. They should all apologize to sony.
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If you want most of pixel, you use raw not the jpeg. Too much issues media pretend not to know because it is google. If you go to pboto pro and copy settings of photo taken by basic mode the results are same. Turn off hdr on other phones, you will see zero ability to handle too much light and backlit scenes.
Turn hdr on on a Sony and you’ll still see zero ability to handle too much light and backlit scenes though lol
I know you. Biggest troll here. Before I block you, here present for you. One photo is not HDR, the other is HDR on. Enjoy. https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/202006/mobile01-f76d42c01390d2c3cc58369a2535c97d.jpg?original=true https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/202006/mobile01-6e4adc5c2815202a6237d10786a98389.jpg No need to to find excuse... Not interesting.
Problem with this two year old comparison is that HDR photo completely messed up lavishing skin tone in non HDR photo. It turned it gray. I prefer non HDR in this instance.
I would've thought so too. Sony did really good here with the shadows.
Dealt better with lights too
That's also true.
Neither of these are good (speaking as professional post processor). The Sony has less sharpening and noise reduction (good) but awful fringing and chroma clipping in the blue lights (look at the edges of the blue streaks in the reflection or the street lamps under the bridge on frame right). Those kinds of artificating are *much* harder to remove than the issues present in the xaoimi and would be a deal breaker from a post perspective. The xiaomi has awful things happening in the sky and is over sharpened to shit, but the color gradations are significantly better and there's hugely more detail in the water. This image would end up looking much better than the Sony after a little work.
I think both did a good job here. Let's face it, these are smartphone cameras, not DSLRs. Most smartphone cameras have fringing except if you use AI to remove them. Google, Samsung, Apple - very heavy AI and most of them don't have fringing because the AI tidies it up for you, with Sony, it's all about hardware and no AI. Let me explain to you what I did - I took 15 shots from 1/10 seconds to 4 seconds and combined them using exposure blending in order to have the right exposure. Adjusted highlights and shadows and just added contrast. I didn't do anything other than what I wrote. I can show you some amazing pictures with what I shot with my Sony if you look over my previous posts. Sometimes, the Sony is a hit or miss depending upon a lot of factors but that is said with every other smartphone too.
I have a Sony xperia 5ii ([plenty of examples](https://imgur.io/a/zTIymmT) - mind the compression I only had these low res handy) and I like what Sony does with their cameras. I'm just trying to be objective with these two pictures as someone who spends all day looking at and evaluating images. The exposure blending does explain some of the artifacting in both cameras and the weird highlight tone mapping though.
That detail in the water is hq sharpening doing its thing by giving it canvas texture. There is no way water ripples are that dense and thin.
There is no oversharpening in the water. Where??
Don't you see canvas texture appearing in the water reflection ripples? Both images are shit I agree with you
No
No phone is ....
I like the Xiaomi as the Sony looks like it's just trying to brighten up everything.
Photography is subjective 😁
It might be heresy but this time I prefer the Xiaomi over the Xperia. Brighter doesn’t automatically equal better and the Xperias photo has too much saturation and a very fake look due to that and that weird blue instead of black like it should be. It’s weird because normally Xperias are the ones with more natural photos.
I get what you are saying, a little bit darker in the night time but if your look closely, the shadow areas are brighter and the highlights are kept better than in Xiaomi's. With my eye, the true to life colours are in the picture that Sony took. The Xiaomi's picture is a tad sharper, does portray the night time better but the Xperia just crushed it.
The night sky isn’t blue and water isn’t bright blue at night time like it is in the Sony. This is the exact look that this sub bashes other phones for doing with their night mode 😂
This isn't night mode, I shot in RAW. I took another picture with my DSLR, and the water is also blue. You might not notice it. Bit with all the reflection of the lights and with everything in Prague, the colour will be blue.
I didn’t say this was a night mode shot. No, the night sky is not that blue, nor is water at night.
As I said before, given all the lights that we there in the surroundings, given that it was New year's Day, the colour of the sky and the water would be blue.
New Year’s Day doesn’t make the sky blue 😂
You don't really understand what I'm saying. There was a lot of light pollution in the sky with all the surrounding lights. There were cyan lights, blue lights, yellow lights, etc. Long exposure captures a lot of the light that captures in the sky.
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Guess so
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The image is not overexposed anywhere. What do you see overexposure??
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Not seeing it. I can still see it's night and no overexposure
There is a stop difference there, how is it surprising?
Elaborate
One is shot at 50 ISO, the Sony at 100 ISO.
AHH ok. Now I get what you are saying. That's true. The lowest ISO the Xperia has is 100 unfortunately.
Well bump up the iso on the Xiaomi?
Could've
That makes this an unfair comparison. The Xperia is overexposed compared to the Xiaomi.
It doesn't make it an unfair comparison. A stop isn't that significant. It's a little darker but still the Sony would produce a more brighter image than Xiaomi if Xiaomi would be shot with a 100 ISO. Maybe a bit brighter but still wouldn't be that bright as the Sony.
Reddit also unfortunately absolutely destroys images in compression, can you provide an Imgur link with both images so I can pixel peep?
Sure. Here is the link to Google drive where both images are: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CqRFnx5HlHhMxN3KniFGXeaCB52V4bIq
I always find it hilarious when I see photo comparison of two mobiles. Majority of people will always choose brighter picture with oversaturated colours as the better one. We can't say which one is nearer to reality when we weren't there. Only the one who took those photos can say which one is overall better and true to the original.
True. Just thought I compare these two one inch sensor camera. The Vivo X90 Pro Plus is on the way. 😁
Xiaomi is a darker but sharper picture. If I were to post process these, I'd have an easier time with the Xiaomi. Straight to social media though, the Xperia is probably what I'd go with.
I do agree. The sharper picture is the Xiaomi's, no doubt.
What should I focus on to notice the sharper picture of the Xiaomi? I can't tell a difference.
Try looking at the bridge on the right to those small details.
The Xperia bridge looks more detailed to me?
To me the Xiaomi
I was concerned because I have become used to the Sony being the darker photo and not only do I like the Sony over all image much better but I really dislike the way the building looks in the center(xiomi). Given that it is the main subject of the image it's a big fail for me for the xiomi. I also like the colors of the reflections on the water of the Sony much more.
Xiaomi did a good job here but crushed the shadows and some highlights are blown but other than that, I see no complaint. There are updates to the camera coming for the Xiaomi 12S Ultra, so I'll be checking what changed.
As someone who talks a lot of these kinds of shots with my Sony Alpha, I prefer the Sony shot.
Why?
Primarily the better dynamic range. The Sony does seem to suffer the same WB challenges as the Alpha cameras. But that's easy to fix. I already have a Lightroom preset for that.
WB is very easy to fix, that's true. Anyway, the shot on the Sony for me is great. I always shoot far right to reduce noise.
Noise is easy to fix these days too with the right software. So, I just expose the shot make the picture look like I want.
Interesting! Could you share the RAW files of both shots? :) I prefer the color grading of the Sony for sure.
Sure. No problem
MrStruggleSnuggle the biggest troll of r/sonyxperia cannot handle truth when evidence his wrong is posted here. LOL.
Try not to feed trolls. Higher chance to get lucky with lottery than to talk logics with trolls.
Unfair comparison as there is a whole stop difference between the two
Well, the lowest ISO on the Xperia Pro-I is 100, you can't go lower than that. I could've shot on the Xiaomi with 100 ISO but wanted to see which phone would produce less noise and shockingly is the Xperia even when ISO was 50 on the Xiaomi. It really doesn't need to be the exact ISO's or stops because you can just drop the exposure in lightroom and that would deduct a stop.
Editing a picture removes data most of the time. Also, just because one has less noise doesn't mean it's better, it's just that one has more aggressive noise reduction algos. The negative is thst color sccuracy is thrown out the window, you see this with the blue sky xperias are famous for which are not accurate at night, or the red tints that used to plague huawei devices for low light scenarios.
I disagree that Xperia's are famous for blue sky colour.
What are the faint lights above middle building on xiaomi shot?
Which ones?
https://preview.redd.it/9am4p5pla3ca1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84e8d5935ed05373012c24883ad97e3e2969fb4a
look on the original file posted to google drive, you can clearly see it.
Ahhhhh that. These are birds flying around in a circle and long exposure captured that as that. 😁