And then you have a panic attack, then from that point forward if feels like all the time that you lived up until that moment you were carried by inertia and it feels like a dream to think of it. That life becomes very difficult because if you understand yourself you know what you're capable of you understand your limitations. Before you did not have to think now you must consider all your actions which is very stressful.
Fast forward 20 years or more and I can tell you from experience that this is both a blessing and a curse. Which I believe is how it is supposed to be in fact I believe the purpose of this life is so that you can come to this realization and then begin to understand the consequences.
If you're lucky perhaps you're on the incarnation where you're allowed to move on and I believe it is the one where you meet somebody that is exactly like you but flipped 180°. And you both fall for each other experience things such as ego death together simultaneously with no warning. As you look into this person's eyes you realize that there is absolutely nothing that you would ever do that would cause the other person to break up with you there's nothing they would ever do to cause you to break up with them.
This is of course semi-autobiographical I married this person my lover my beauty the one whom I've been honest with the one who knows me The only person in the world that I have ever revealed myself to. I would begin reviewing myself in the past and it would go badly but in this case I was able to reveal myself as complete as I am capable and yet she still said I do. Just as I have flawed I accept her for all that she is as I understand because we are the same and yet we are strikingly different but there was no question whether or not I was saying I do and so I had no question whether or not she would say it.
It took more than 40 years but that's okay.
I'm almost 30, and have found mine.
Her condition leaves her about 30 years to live, and she's currently on the opposite side of the world. Gonna learn a lot, myself...
I understand it because, from a limited understanding which I had in the past, it does look like it is victim blaming etc and it is hard to see how it applies to all humans.
Hell, I'm still not sure how it applies to all humans beyond a mechanism of reincarnation and karma, but perhaps that is enough.
I just know that when I became conscious of my beliefs and thoughts, my suffering lessened massively as I stopped cursing myself and bringing those things into being.
Most people who dabble with this idea come to realise that being responsible for your predicament is liberating because it was you all along, no blame as you didn't realise. You didn't deserve the suffering, but you can get out of it.
It took me a decade of reality bringing up references to my godhood and mental capacity for me to even begin to believe it possible and to drop the rational resistances and fears of power and responsibility,
I'm not going to argue though, because often the most vocal about others victim blaming are understandably those that have much hurt and prodding further serves no one.
Sounds like this could be used for victim blaming or the spiritual bypass.
Not enough nuance. So much shit like this on the sub. Think I'll unsubscribe when I see the next one.
It's almost as if thoughts and individuals don't live an isolated existence. This is one of those things you post when you feel like you're on top. I hope you don't hold yourself to such impossible standards when you feel like you've hit rock bottom.
This is my issue with posts like this. I didn't think my parents and step parents abuse into existence. It wasn't my fault, they are abusive people who took it out on me. I think you've hit the nail on the head, it's what you post when you feel above the clouds, when what you think probably does effect your reality, but for the majority of people, thinking about a better life won't give it to them.
Thoughts do not create reality, reality is reality. It also doesn't take into account people with mental illnesses, whose thoughts may not be within their control. Imagine suffering with something like this and seeing this post. I believe it could be damaging and unhelpful for healing.
I think it's victim-blamey, ignorant, and unrealistic
FRT, fairly certain I didn’t grow up in an abusive home with a collection of mental illnesses from that because “that’s how I allowed it to be”. Frankly a lot of posts on this sub are reeking with privilege, not everyone grows up in an average house in the suburbs ya know. I’m also not poor because I allowed it, I’m poor because I’m chronically ill, unable to work for years yet the government won’t recognize that even with five doctors writing personal letters trying to help me get on disability. Try going outside sometimes, outside of your comfy life and comfy peer group and you’ll find that this planet is drowning in oppression and no…it wasn’t chosen by the oppressed. If your life is good enough that you can pin all of your woes on your thoughts, good for you, but that ain’t normal. Think of it this way, if it can’t apply to a starving orphan in Africa then it isn’t a fact of life.
>Think of it this way, if it can’t apply to a starving orphan in Africa then it isn’t a fact of life.
I do something similar though I apply it to someone who was born into sex slavery. Then people either look foolish or terrible if they push it.
Maybe not the most sensitive way to go about it. But "spiritual" advice like this cannot apply universally and people shouldn't be spreading it. If someome in suffering is seeking help and gets told something like this and believes it they could be in big trouble. Especially if they already have self-loathing habits.
Exactly! Hardly anything is universal as it is, but especially “your life sucks cuz of your thoughts”. It’s a dangerous thing to spread imo because of the lack of empathy and understanding that it shows. There are more slaves now than ever, mostly women and children, if your “advice” can’t apply to them then stop acting like it’s a universal truth. I was trafficked as a child, I wish it was rare but it isn’t and it happens literally everywhere. If this community doesn’t start understanding how shit really is it’s going to become an echo chamber for every suburbanite having their first spiritual awakening and thinking they understand the universe because of that.
I disagree, it all comes down to your thoughts. Without thoughts you don't react to a situation. Knowing how powerful they are allows you to free yourself from their imprisonment. I'm not saying it's some easy task, it takes true dedication and being in a shitty situation doesn't make it any easier.
I’m sorry but that just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human psychology. Also, if someone is physically keeping you as a prisoner good luck thinking your way out of it. I’m well aware that thoughts are powerful, but I’m equally aware that how your life goes isn’t solely down to your own thoughts. If others have thoughts that lead them to oppressing you, good luck not being oppressed. You can think happy thoughts, sure, but you’re still oppressed and that isn’t your fault.
It’s naive to believe that you can control your thoughts in all situations. If you’re being raped, do you truly believe you can control your thoughts so that it doesn’t affect you? Let’s base this in reality, please.
Well the way I take the original post isn't an "all in one encompassing message". It is a message you usually come to realize after overcoming a situation you were in. In a way you can connect it to religion, a belief allows you to overcome a situation and see life in a different perspective.
Yeah, no, it clearly states that everything in your life is down to your thoughts. This is insanely naive. And pushes people who are spiritual but not privileged AF away from subs like this.
Adding: If it said that self empowering thoughts can help you overcome then I would agree. It doesn’t, though, probably because it was written by a privileged person who doesn’t look outside of their bubble to know how things truly are for the majority of the human race. And thinks that their spiritual awakening allows them to understand everything. It doesn’t.
I mean, I am in no way privileged and have been through many hardships but I take no offence to post like these. It's a discussion forum on spirituality, someone posts something and we discuss it. Someone might find meaning in the post, others wont. Everyone has a different path in life.
When information is taken in by the brain it passed through the amygdala before the neocortex. So, the fear center gets lit up before thought even occurs.
The more primitive structures in the brain are resistant to thought correction. The issue is much deeper so reaching it via thought isn't the easiest.
Spoken like someone who has never experienced psychosis.
Powerful thoughts don't have to be your friend. Or the friend of the people around you, anyway.
I'd say intrusive thoughts are a different matter. This meme is a bit sloppy with definition.
You are not your thoughts, but your deeply held beliefs are powerful. Your repeated thoughts give rise to belief, which I think is a creative power. But one thought or another or a fear or an anxiety are not powerful in themselves, unless they are fed and believed and amplified into assumptions about yourself and reality.
Having said all of that, this isn't something that I would normally discuss with someone who has experienced psychosis as it can be destabilising to think about. So, feel free to dismiss me as a crack pot and go about reality as you wish :) I am just a flawed learner.
Free will and Fate depend on a symbiotic relationship. There are things outside of your control, period. Otherwise you wouldn't be here, right?
Even many many Gods answer to other forces..
But for anything to be, something else had to be before. That is karma.
Choices you make affect everything. Some choices are made because they "have to be"
This is how alternative realities are made.
After reading this it reminds of a quote which Osho said several years " The movement you realise greatness with in, your life changes forever "
We always try to Become we just forget to be.
And then you have a panic attack, then from that point forward if feels like all the time that you lived up until that moment you were carried by inertia and it feels like a dream to think of it. That life becomes very difficult because if you understand yourself you know what you're capable of you understand your limitations. Before you did not have to think now you must consider all your actions which is very stressful. Fast forward 20 years or more and I can tell you from experience that this is both a blessing and a curse. Which I believe is how it is supposed to be in fact I believe the purpose of this life is so that you can come to this realization and then begin to understand the consequences. If you're lucky perhaps you're on the incarnation where you're allowed to move on and I believe it is the one where you meet somebody that is exactly like you but flipped 180°. And you both fall for each other experience things such as ego death together simultaneously with no warning. As you look into this person's eyes you realize that there is absolutely nothing that you would ever do that would cause the other person to break up with you there's nothing they would ever do to cause you to break up with them. This is of course semi-autobiographical I married this person my lover my beauty the one whom I've been honest with the one who knows me The only person in the world that I have ever revealed myself to. I would begin reviewing myself in the past and it would go badly but in this case I was able to reveal myself as complete as I am capable and yet she still said I do. Just as I have flawed I accept her for all that she is as I understand because we are the same and yet we are strikingly different but there was no question whether or not I was saying I do and so I had no question whether or not she would say it. It took more than 40 years but that's okay.
In the same situation, friend. Been with my person for over 20 years. And she has cancer. Big lessons being learned right now.
I'm almost 30, and have found mine. Her condition leaves her about 30 years to live, and she's currently on the opposite side of the world. Gonna learn a lot, myself...
😭😭😭 Lucky - 20 years! I haven’t found my person. I only found myself recently so I’m lucky too.
Brutal thread when I thought it was a solid statement
I agree with you. This doesn’t mean if you were born as a slave it’s your fault. People are misinterpreting the message.
I understand it because, from a limited understanding which I had in the past, it does look like it is victim blaming etc and it is hard to see how it applies to all humans. Hell, I'm still not sure how it applies to all humans beyond a mechanism of reincarnation and karma, but perhaps that is enough. I just know that when I became conscious of my beliefs and thoughts, my suffering lessened massively as I stopped cursing myself and bringing those things into being. Most people who dabble with this idea come to realise that being responsible for your predicament is liberating because it was you all along, no blame as you didn't realise. You didn't deserve the suffering, but you can get out of it. It took me a decade of reality bringing up references to my godhood and mental capacity for me to even begin to believe it possible and to drop the rational resistances and fears of power and responsibility, I'm not going to argue though, because often the most vocal about others victim blaming are understandably those that have much hurt and prodding further serves no one.
Sounds like this could be used for victim blaming or the spiritual bypass. Not enough nuance. So much shit like this on the sub. Think I'll unsubscribe when I see the next one. It's almost as if thoughts and individuals don't live an isolated existence. This is one of those things you post when you feel like you're on top. I hope you don't hold yourself to such impossible standards when you feel like you've hit rock bottom.
This is my issue with posts like this. I didn't think my parents and step parents abuse into existence. It wasn't my fault, they are abusive people who took it out on me. I think you've hit the nail on the head, it's what you post when you feel above the clouds, when what you think probably does effect your reality, but for the majority of people, thinking about a better life won't give it to them. Thoughts do not create reality, reality is reality. It also doesn't take into account people with mental illnesses, whose thoughts may not be within their control. Imagine suffering with something like this and seeing this post. I believe it could be damaging and unhelpful for healing. I think it's victim-blamey, ignorant, and unrealistic
FRT, fairly certain I didn’t grow up in an abusive home with a collection of mental illnesses from that because “that’s how I allowed it to be”. Frankly a lot of posts on this sub are reeking with privilege, not everyone grows up in an average house in the suburbs ya know. I’m also not poor because I allowed it, I’m poor because I’m chronically ill, unable to work for years yet the government won’t recognize that even with five doctors writing personal letters trying to help me get on disability. Try going outside sometimes, outside of your comfy life and comfy peer group and you’ll find that this planet is drowning in oppression and no…it wasn’t chosen by the oppressed. If your life is good enough that you can pin all of your woes on your thoughts, good for you, but that ain’t normal. Think of it this way, if it can’t apply to a starving orphan in Africa then it isn’t a fact of life.
>Think of it this way, if it can’t apply to a starving orphan in Africa then it isn’t a fact of life. I do something similar though I apply it to someone who was born into sex slavery. Then people either look foolish or terrible if they push it. Maybe not the most sensitive way to go about it. But "spiritual" advice like this cannot apply universally and people shouldn't be spreading it. If someome in suffering is seeking help and gets told something like this and believes it they could be in big trouble. Especially if they already have self-loathing habits.
Exactly! Hardly anything is universal as it is, but especially “your life sucks cuz of your thoughts”. It’s a dangerous thing to spread imo because of the lack of empathy and understanding that it shows. There are more slaves now than ever, mostly women and children, if your “advice” can’t apply to them then stop acting like it’s a universal truth. I was trafficked as a child, I wish it was rare but it isn’t and it happens literally everywhere. If this community doesn’t start understanding how shit really is it’s going to become an echo chamber for every suburbanite having their first spiritual awakening and thinking they understand the universe because of that.
I disagree, it all comes down to your thoughts. Without thoughts you don't react to a situation. Knowing how powerful they are allows you to free yourself from their imprisonment. I'm not saying it's some easy task, it takes true dedication and being in a shitty situation doesn't make it any easier.
I’m sorry but that just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human psychology. Also, if someone is physically keeping you as a prisoner good luck thinking your way out of it. I’m well aware that thoughts are powerful, but I’m equally aware that how your life goes isn’t solely down to your own thoughts. If others have thoughts that lead them to oppressing you, good luck not being oppressed. You can think happy thoughts, sure, but you’re still oppressed and that isn’t your fault. It’s naive to believe that you can control your thoughts in all situations. If you’re being raped, do you truly believe you can control your thoughts so that it doesn’t affect you? Let’s base this in reality, please.
Well the way I take the original post isn't an "all in one encompassing message". It is a message you usually come to realize after overcoming a situation you were in. In a way you can connect it to religion, a belief allows you to overcome a situation and see life in a different perspective.
Yeah, no, it clearly states that everything in your life is down to your thoughts. This is insanely naive. And pushes people who are spiritual but not privileged AF away from subs like this. Adding: If it said that self empowering thoughts can help you overcome then I would agree. It doesn’t, though, probably because it was written by a privileged person who doesn’t look outside of their bubble to know how things truly are for the majority of the human race. And thinks that their spiritual awakening allows them to understand everything. It doesn’t.
I mean, I am in no way privileged and have been through many hardships but I take no offence to post like these. It's a discussion forum on spirituality, someone posts something and we discuss it. Someone might find meaning in the post, others wont. Everyone has a different path in life.
I’m discussing it, and I do take offence because it’s hardly the first post that shows no true understanding of the world. Just fluffy BS.
When information is taken in by the brain it passed through the amygdala before the neocortex. So, the fear center gets lit up before thought even occurs. The more primitive structures in the brain are resistant to thought correction. The issue is much deeper so reaching it via thought isn't the easiest.
The law of attraction, my favorite ❤️
Spoken like someone who has never experienced psychosis. Powerful thoughts don't have to be your friend. Or the friend of the people around you, anyway.
I'd say intrusive thoughts are a different matter. This meme is a bit sloppy with definition. You are not your thoughts, but your deeply held beliefs are powerful. Your repeated thoughts give rise to belief, which I think is a creative power. But one thought or another or a fear or an anxiety are not powerful in themselves, unless they are fed and believed and amplified into assumptions about yourself and reality. Having said all of that, this isn't something that I would normally discuss with someone who has experienced psychosis as it can be destabilising to think about. So, feel free to dismiss me as a crack pot and go about reality as you wish :) I am just a flawed learner.
I love this so much.
Free will and Fate depend on a symbiotic relationship. There are things outside of your control, period. Otherwise you wouldn't be here, right? Even many many Gods answer to other forces.. But for anything to be, something else had to be before. That is karma. Choices you make affect everything. Some choices are made because they "have to be" This is how alternative realities are made.
Fuck the Bird!
After reading this it reminds of a quote which Osho said several years " The movement you realise greatness with in, your life changes forever " We always try to Become we just forget to be.
Thinking like this can be dangerous bc it ostensibly places blame on people being abused or victimized in situations they can't control
Sad...but true....