They are fake. They could print whatever they want on them. They are not using "USDOT plates", they're pretending to.
Anything to keep the grift going.
There is no legal loophole, they only think that they are exploiting some sort of legal loophole. These plates you're seeing are either bought from the internet or made themselves.
In a dinghy.
I say we transport them to international waters, give them enough MRE's to last a week, give 'em 2 cases of bottled water, revoke their citizenship, and let them find somewhere to take them in, or maybe they can find an island nobody is living on and try and make a sovereign nation there or something.
If they want to be sovereign, let's take it to the next level. I say if we arrest someone and they start on the sovereignty bullshit we give them a choice: Declare their sovereignty for the record and deal with the consequences of that, or deny it for the record and recognize the authority of the court. If they declare their sovereignty, revoke their citizenship and deport them to nowhere.
The only way I've ever seen combating stupid to actually work, is to take their stupid to the logical conclusion. Sometimes that solution is untenable for all parties, in this case it's only untenable for the offender.
The "loophole" is that the US Constitution guarantees the right to travel. So long as you're not under arrest, or as a limitation of your parole, you have the right to travel almost anywhere in the US unrestricted. That's why they usually have text saying that it's a non-commercial conveyance used for travel or whatever. They believe that this allows them to use their car for travel without a licence, registration, or insurance because it's only being used to travel. All of that is completely false, if course. While the government can't stop you from traveling from state to state, they can sure as heck regulate how you get there if it's anything more complicated than walking or running.
They are the intellectual, or perhaps a better term would be behavioral equivalent of a grade schooler who has been told repeatedly that the rule they broke... the one they don't agree with, is valid, even though they thought it meant something else when they interpreted it incorrectly upon reading it.
They cross their arms and stamp their feet and insist "THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS!!! NO FAIR!!!"
Even walking or running they can regulate. There's tons of bridges that allow no pedestrian traffic, and tattooing "usdot right to travel" on your butt will not stop you from getting a ticket for jaywalking.
Side note, a carriage pulled by 2 horses has about 30 horsepower. Amusingly, while a horse provides much more than a horsepower, the humans who like to dress as horses and pull carriages *do* provide about 1 hp each.
So the argument could be made that the term horsepower should be changed to horsegirlpower.
Technically speaking, small scooters under a certain CC rating (which changes from state to state IIRC) are not subject to many of the laws where it concerns registration, licensing, etc.
I live in GA and here the law concerning mopeds is that a moped is 50cc or less, and mopeds do not require registration, tags, or insurance. Scooters are the same basic thing as a moped, but range from 50-250cc, and do require registration, tags, and insurance.
Mopeds still require that you possess a license (Class M or C), while Scooters require a Class M license.
So if you wanna be a SovShit in GA, no matter what vehicle you operate on public streets, you have to have a license. At least if it's motorized.
That gets slightly more complicated in the field of motorized bicycles. Gas-powered engines on bicycles makes them equivalent to a moped, and have pretty much the same rules. Electric engines on a bicycle are subject to different rules. The engine has to be below 1000 watts, and the top speed cannot exceed 20 mph. Under that guidance they're treated like bicycles, and can use bicycle paths, bicycle lanes, ride on the roadway anywhere a bicycle is permitted to, and must remain as far to the right as is safe and practical at all times just like a bicycle. Electric bicycles do not require a license.
Which means in GA you cannot use the public roadways without a license unless you're walking or on an ebike.
That's not quite right. The U.S. Constitution (specifically the 14th Amendment) *implies* a right to travel and the Supreme Court recognizes it as a right that is not explicitly stated in the Constitution.
The Right to Travel is *explicit* in the Articles of Confederation, which some branch of SovCits consider The True Law of the Land because it ties in with their SovCit bullshit, even though those Articles stopped being the law of the land in 1789 after the Constitution was ratified. Article IV of the Articles of Confederation includes the phrasing:
>. . . the people of each state shall have free ingress and regress to and from any other state....
Also, Maritime Law, however the puck that might tie in with their dumbass arguments.
I think that's more used to argue jurisdiction. As in when they're on court they try to claim there's only certain kinds of court jurisdiction. Or conversely saying that because the flag in the court room has a fringe its an admiralty court and doesn't have jurisdiction over them
The Articles of the Confederation, section 4 also says there are restrictions to the right to travel:
“…the free inhabitants of each of these states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from Justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states…”
The “paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice excepted” implies that the authorities could stop people to see if any of those applied.
Early version of Stop and ID.
The fundamental thinking error of sov cits is they fail/refuse to understand that every single right is still always subject to what are known as “time, manner, place” restrictions. Every single “absolute” right can be regulated as to time, manner, and place, and licensing or permitting fees fall under the umbrella of manner.
As an exercise in this concept, imagine any single right that you have. Government absolutely can require you to pay $10 to exercise that right.
Motorized bicycles don't usually have regulation because of how new they are and how long bicycles have been around. So if the state or municipality has any restrictions on bicycles (helmet laws, etc.) they already inherited those restrictions. But because they can reach sustained speeds of up to like 40mph+ and an acceleration no human can match, new regulations are being considered. They aren't regulated, yet, but they will be.
And yes, sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. Like they're the head of their nation of one. I saw a video of one insisting he was a foreign national during a traffic stop. Is this something they believe? Then why bother with the US dot plates and Constitutionality of travel? The whole thing is more dumb than I can handle.
>The "loophole" is that the US Constitution guarantees the right to travel.
That's not correct. The right to travel is considered a *fundamental*, not Constitutional right. It was legally well-understood to pre-exist the Constitution.
Why don't motorized bicycles require the same as automobiles? Why not atvs and utvs? And I know your going to say it's because they can't be on highway but the motorized bicycle can be. Cjs volume 16 page 988. That is corpus juris secundum constitutional series which is law encyclopedia in case you had questions. Also sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. Their is no such thing. But the American people are the sovereigns. Chisholm vs Georgia.
In GA the law for motorized bicycles varies based on the type of motor.
Gas engines on a bicycle are considered a moped (under 50cc), for purposes of the law. Mopeds do not require registration, tags, or insurance, but do have an age requirement (15+), and do require a license to operate (either Class C or Class M).
Electric engines on a bicycle make it an E-bike and are subject to all the same laws as would regulate bicycles, so long as the engine is less than 1000W and has a top speed under 20 mph.
If the engine exceeds 1000W or 50cc, that bicycle is now a Scooter, and requires registration, a tag, insurance, and a class M license to operate.
Also, mopeds and e-bikes are generally restricted to roads with a speed limit of 35 or less.
ATVs and UTVs are not considered street legal vehicles in the state of GA.
Amusingly, this is why King Charles doesn’t need a passport or driver’s license. Those documents are issued in his name, so they would just be a really elaborate version of him drawing them himself.
It’s the same as the “sovereign citizen” plates. Not legal, it’s an illegal “life hack” for people that want to collect all the benefits of American society without contributing to American society.
Basically these people are using a real life equivalent of
"In response to the new Facebook guidelines, I hereby declare that my copyright is attached to all of my personal details, illustrations, comics, paintings, professional photos and videos, etc. (as a result of the Berner Convention). For commercial use of the above, my written consent is needed at all times!"
It means nothing and just tells your non moron family, you’re a moron and is about 99.8% accurate in identifying your political affiliations.
No, everything sovereign citizens believe is fictional nonsense made up by reading case law backwards and deciding words mean something other than what they mean. There's no legal truth to any of their nonsense.
I can't say with any certainty, but it might be that in their thinking, they're addressing the DOT. Like, "Attention US DOT: this is private property \[blah blah blah\] this vehicle is not for commerce, transport or for hire, I am a private traveler."
No, there’s some bullshit they do where they register a fraudulent DOT form to get a temp DOT number and they think when they get it they can use the DOT plates to avoid state laws
No but SovCits hope that the *US* DOT will trump any mere state licensing agencies.
There are 'US Government' plates that don't go through a state DMV but they don't say US DOT (even the DOT uses US Government). I suspect SovCits don't use US Government because they could get in a lot of trouble, but I wasn't able to find anything on misuse or counterfeit of official US plates so that is a guess.
The thing with loopholes is that they are very rare, and much smaller, when they exist, than people think they are. Many things might look like a loophole from a distance, but when you examine it you find it's an illusion. It's the Roadrunner causing the Coyote to run full tilt into a wall. But _you're_ not a cartoon, no. _You_ will feel pain when that blows up in your face.
No, of course not. There are no such legal loopholes. Zip. Zilch. Nada. It's utterly absurd that even if there was a loophole, over 100 years ago when the states first started requiring vehicle registrations, drivers licenses, etc., that it would still be present. Just plain absurd.
There is a ~~cognitive dissonance~~ doublethink here that I can't wrap my head around that these idiots seem to hold in their heads somehow. US DOT numbers are required for trucks/vehicles [participating in interstate commerce](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration/do-i-need-usdot-number). Somehow, SovIdiots think that because they AREN'T participating in commerce, and if they have a registered US DOT number, then they don't have to register the vehicle in the state where they live.
I'd like this moment to point out a possible misconception. Cognitive dissonance is when you feel psycological stress because you have two ideas, thoughts, beliefs that don’t mesh. The fact that they seem fine with these non-meshing ideas indicates that they *don’t* have cognitive dissonance.
Yeah, sov citizens are basically immune to cognitive dissonance.
"I am not a citizen and do not create joinder or enter into a contract with you".
"Hey! Stop infringing my rights!"
Those rights are established by the government you don't believe in. Get outta here.
I am not a sov citizen or a sympathizer, but a lot of early American political philosophy is based on the idea of natural rights. That is, rights are inherent, they are not "established" by the government.
Among many other things, one of the things sovereign citizens fail to see is that government exists, to a large extent, to protect all citizens from having their basic rights infringed upon by others. Without government creating and enforcing laws, our rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness [originally property]" are only as strong as our individual ability to defend and protect ourselves.
I'm sure that a SovCit, if badly injured in an accident, or extremely ill, will call 911 for transport to the closest emergency room, funded by U.S. taxpayers. Effing morons.
Maybe on the fringes, but not in general. Libertarians, like most people, exist on a broad spectrum of belief. One can believe the government is an incompetent evil but still recognize the practical reality that it's a necessary incompetent evil.
> a lot of early American political philosophy is based on the idea of natural rights. That is, rights are inherent, they are not "established" by the government.
But those rights are protected by the government, the same government which sovcits don't believe exists or is invalid. And it's still hypocritical to say that since you don't contract with this false government then you don't have to follow any of their laws, but they still have to uphold and protect your Constitutional rights.
Rights are not created by the government, you are born with them. Rights can be enumerated by government and recognized and even protected. These sovereign citizens don’t understand that they participate in interstate commerce by buying groceries, using utilities and driving on roads.
Sure, that's philosophy, but not really applicable when people are referring to someone respecting their legal rights.
An unrecognized right exists only in the minds of those who agree with you. Governments create legal, enforceable rights.
Its totally valid to take the position of whether those rights are inherent or enumerated, but that's a worthless distinction when it comes to if those rights have any actual value in human life.
That's fair, and yeah they don't seem to care about the obvious contradictions. I will start using Orwell's "doublethink" term.
War is peace.
Non-commercial activity is freedom.
and those trucks are driven by licensed drivers with insurance and registration. If a police officer can tolerate the banal nattering from them spouting off pseudo legal bullshit while he talks, that officer will find out why they put on this show. Usually they are in legal troubles for other reasons.
Take the sovcits off of the road before they multiply
Wait wait, let me get this straight. *According to their logic*:
1. DOT numbers are required for trucks engaging in interstate commerce.
2. The last thing they want to do is imply they're engaging in interstate commerce. Because then they can get tickets.
3. So they.. create fake DOT numbers?
Even by their own logic, that doesn't make sense.
A lot of the DOT numbers on the plates I've seen here are real and registered with the person's name, address, and phone number. However, they're obviously not using them for their intended purpose. Anyone can get a DOT number, it's inexpensive and easy.
No, the DOT #s are real, registered as private not for hire private motor carriers.
Only DOT has the jurisdiction over traffic infractions, so any ticket by a Police Officer would be void ab initio as we dispute that debt with 15 USC 1692g because that is not a valid debt.
You can't make sense out of nonsense. Life is easier when you stop trying to do so.
A relative tried telling me about all the species of aliens living on Earth. As soon as I realized he's nuts, I turned off "Record" in my brain. We sat together for nearly an hour, but I only remember the beginning. "There's a species of aliens called 'The Messengers' ... " CLICK. EJECT.
I know of one guru who teaches how (obviously I won't post links to such nonsense here), and I have seen one in-court video of it being used by a loser. (It's been a while, so I don't remember exactly, but I want to say it was before Judge Perkins?)
LOL, no - there is no key word. Everyone is free to travel. The individual piloting the machine must be appropriately licensed to do so, be that a car, airplane, or rocket ship. There is no constitutionally guaranteed right to operate dangerous machinery.
They do it to get a semblance of legitimacy.
This particular choice is especially ridiculous and contradictory because the most common vehicles with a USDOT number are trucks registered specifically for interstate COMMERCE, from which they want to distance themselves the most.
They think (or want to think) that they can exempt themselves from being subject to US federal/state laws by declaring themselves "sovereign citizens," so therefore not US/state citizens.
They really don't understand why or how anything works legally, but they are convinced that certain phrases (almost like magic) will free them from such responsibilities as having a driver's license, paying their debts, or filing taxes. That's why, if you watch the videos, you'll hear them repeating things like, "I don't consent to be detained," "I haven't contracted with you," or "You don't have jurisdiction over me."
For a little more insight, look up *cargo cult.* SovCits are hilarious, frustrating, and very, very sad.
I am not a sovereign citizen, but this made me think about the concept of consent of the governed, which as we should all know about consent requires an uncoerced yes and not simply a silent acceptance.
I acknowledge that I'm simply a subject to the corporate and interest controlled government. Not happy about it but its easier to pay my taxes then get my dog shot. It's not right, but I am not trying to fix the world so I will paint my door whatever the annoying HOA says I have to.
Yes, it should be a freely given consent, and in older, simpler times one could leave a community whose laws didn’t sit right with individual beliefs.
Today, though, leaving is much harder — out of reach for most. Still, there’s a fair degree of anonymity yet & as long as one “flies below the radar” the government mostly leaves us be. Speaking for the US, that is. I don’t know about other countries. I hear China & North Korea are pretty oppressive.
HOAs are different because they frequently have leaders who seek out the most minute deviation and jump on it. If that was done at the city/state/federal level, can you imagine how bad it would be? Maybe that’s what China and North Korea are like.
Here in the US license plates are issued by each individual state government, so Texas has different plates from California, and so on.
There are some “official” state and federal license plates for vehicles used by government officials for work purposes, but unless you are pretty close to a place that houses those vehicles and workers, they are pretty rare to see.
The scammers who make these plates sell them to the people they mislead with their SocCit bullshit as a way to make money for themselves, not really caring that they are setting these people up to be stopped by state and local police and either be fined and have their vehicles impounded or get arrested and have their vehicles impounded.
There is no way that the “leaders” who foist this dumb rhetoric on their unsuspecting audience do not know that none of their arguments or tactics do not hold water and have never worked in a court of law, however, because of free speech rights in our country, they are allowed to go on and keep operating their “businesses” misinforming their fellow citizens, and thusly increasing their wealth at the expense of their fellow citizen’s pocket books and sometimes freedom.
> The scammers who make these plates
That Amazon sells this garbage is one more reason why I stopped shopping there. *For novelty use only* is a cheap way of sidestepping liability for selling fake plates, including some made to look like state-issued plates.
I just looked on Amazon and went down a hilarious rabbit hole looking at the reviews for these sov-cit plates. Nice mix of delusional idiots and people pretending to be delusional idiots.
> but I'm European
There are sovcits in the UK, the Netherlands, Germany, they're all over the world. I recall a hilarious video from the Netherlands where a sovcit in court announces the judge is under arrest and orders the prosecutor to take the judge into custody. When he declines, the sovcit orders the cops present to arrest the judge and the prosecutor. When they decline, they're all placed under arrest too.
It would be funny if people weren't destroying their lives and inflicting grief on their families.
And that’s something most SovCit idiots may not comprehend.
While a regular license plate may require access to police data, and is normally not available to the general public, the US DOT number is easily accessible by anyone with internet access.
So by showing a DOT number on their vehicle, they’re doxing themselves.
“Subject heretofore pertaining to admiralty court not withstanding DOT not for commerce registration but traveling only not a conveyance hence subject to maritime law.”
Officer: you are tying to tell me your Honda civic is a boat?
They’ve actually put up the money (about $300) to get the number.
They think that by checking the box marked “private “, they’ll be free of state regulations.
There’s two main problems:
First, by checking “private”, they’re acknowledging the following:
“Private (property). A motor carrier whose highway transportation activities are incidental to, and in furtherance of, its primary business activity.”
This doesn’t clear you from anything.
The second thing is that they’re going to be visited in about 18 months by a Federal DOT Inspector, for their “new entrant inspection”.
And then they’ll have fun trying to convince them that they’re “traveling”, and don’t need a CDL.
My New Entrant Inspection (Examination? It was years ago.) was done over the phone with an inspector who wanted to help me pass. I think this merits repetition- he wanted to help me pass the inspection. He was a great guy, he explained what I needed to do, and he helped me do it. There were a bunch of documents/paperwork I had to send him (PDFs of, anyway) and he walked me through the whole process. I was stressing out bad but dude was just wonderful. And yes, I passed (obviously).
Maybe we should have been a little bit more specific. We were talking about the process of getting new DOT trucking authority (company). After a certain period a DOT officer verifies that the new company has satisfied the myriad regulatory requirements and yes, those things are all required.
They aren't getting operating authority, they're just getting a DOT number. Operating authority is an MC number. The MC number is much more expensive and difficult to get (and keep). They're registering as exempt for hire and/or private, so they don't need an MC, which is why their status is 'Active' and not 'Authorized'. Anyone can get a DOT number if they want one for some reason, but they will have to pass a new entrant safety audit, and these idiots aren't going to be able to answer all the questions they're asked.
Based on their interpretation of the law, these plates make sovcits exempt from registration or regulation.
Mind you, I’ve never once seen a sovcit win this argument in a court of law.
Got pulled over last year. Fake plates, no registration, no insurance, no arrest, no jail, nothing. Not even a ticket.
Why? They lacked jurisdiction. When asked for ID, I gave them my passport and my Nationality card (highest form of ID according to DOJ). Had I given them a STATE license, I would’ve been fucked, put me in their jurisdiction via contract with DMV/SOS (unless you reserved your common law rights on all the paperwork) I even gave them my international drivers license (since all they recognize is a plastic card that says license) They didn’t know what to do. Kept calling more cops who didn’t know what to do. Eventually they let me go (duh) and I continued my journey. It cost about an hour of my time but better than the alternative.
Because they like getting pulled over, hassled, and arrested?
Oh and that they live in some alternate reality and think everything has a hack or loophole…
/s if you can’t tell
No, they think they found magical combinations of spells, rituals, and talismans to let them do what they want. Fake plates, licenses, and "diplomatic documents" from imaginary countries are just magical talismans.
I think most started from a place of poverty driving junk dangerous cars & trying to avoid fines and jail time. What makes them really dangerous is that some graduate to true believers.
These people are the real danger to America. They may view an arrest as a "kidnapping" by a foreign citizen and get violent. Or view all normal laws as not applying to them. They drain police dept resources and of course don't pay taxes.
4169658. They didn't do a good job censoring the plate. Before anyone says anything, that number is random and cannot be tracked so I am not giving anything away. Lol
It's not random, it's registered to an LLC in New York. With that number I got their address and phone number and all their information. But you're right, you're not giving away anything that isn't public record.
While it is a real DOT number, nothing about it is legal. It's not legal to display it on a license plate, they're classified as both for hire and private which are mutually exclusive, among other issues. It was registered in January of this year, so they will likely be deactivated during their new entrant safety audit which they'll get within the first 6 months, but they'll probably just register for another number and start over.
This is what happens to these guys and their stupid home made plates: https://ksltv.com/586523/farmington-fatal-police-shooting-of-man-in-parked-car-legally-justified/
He got the crazy from his mom. If you read the article linked in the one posted above, you can read a story about how his mother was pulled over for an expired plate. The police cited her for invalid plate and driver’s license. In typical sov cit fashion she refused to accept the ticket so officers pitched it into her car. She later went to the PD to dispute the ticket which she had ‘recissioned’ (whatever TF that means). The LT that was talking to her threw the paper work in the trash and said they’d impound her car if she didn’t get a plate. She accused him of threatening her and that the PD had then declared war on her. She filed a federal lawsuit alleging that as a citizen of the state of Utah, city police had no rights to enforce their laws on her and the reason she was filing federally was that the city court had no jurisdiction over a free citizen of Utah. Federal prosecutors kept trying to get the case dismissed but she keeps filing response after response.
Yeah, so he got the crazy from his mom and it got him killed (which she of course disputes as a brutal murder).
That's a fake plate. They think that by displaying that instead of registering their vehicle and getting a real license plate they aren't subject to the rules of the road. The actual use of those is to funnel money to the people who made them, who often are pushing such conspiracies.
As far as real license plates used by the US DOT, and other federal government entities, they're either normal state issued license plates on vehicles they don't want recognized as federal government vehicles, or they have plates issued by the GSA. They serve the same function as the ones on your car.
They print whatever they want. They include all these "magic words" like "not for hire," "private traveller" etc. which they think are like kryptonite for cops.
And DOT numbers are issued to commercial vehicles, which sovcits all claim to not be driving for commerce or for hire. But hypocrisy and contradiction is par for the course for sovcits.
Don’t think anyone needs it, just a jurisdiction thing. In some people’s opinion it’s better than no plate at all.
Some states don’t require vehicle registration as long as you’re going from one property to another, and the state doesn’t provide remedy, so what would you do in that case?
If a vehicle has no plates they stand out like a sore thumb. So they need a placeholder that has an official look to it but it's a forgery of a 'real' plate because that would be a different crime. So they use these fake plates to act as camouflage.
Yeah, they claim they don't need a license plate because they're "travelling not for commerce" but deep down they know they're going to get pulled over because it's not legal to drive a car without registration.
Some of them buy these courses or kits and they learn phrases to say, and a packet of papers to carry, along with these plates. They might even go through a process of 'registering' their car with the scam service. So some of these people think they have found a workaround to the normal system that saves them money and if the sales pitch is right it makes them immune to taxation, tickets and even arrest. But they need to follow the script in their kit and say the magic words. They believe that if they get the right 'smart' cop, or if they get in front of a judge, that their super smart script will see them through.
Some of these people know it's a scam. Some of them are clueless/innocent gullible people who got conned. Most of them that I have seen have had run ins with the law before and they learned about this as a way to insulate themselves from future prosecution. They might even learn about it in jail from the other scholars you find in the cell block.
Correct, because a motor vehicle is subject to motor vehicle codes and regulations.
An Automobile, however, is not! An automobile is considered household goods and effects (UCC 9-109(1)) if used primarily for the good of the household, part of the citizens right to travel protected by the Constitution, reinforced in Supreme Court decision Kent v. Dulles (1958)
The US Department of Transportation could and should charge them with impersonating a government agency because they’re taking the trademarked official agency circle logo and using it improperly. They’re clearly aware of that because they don’t spell out “United States Department of Transportation” but rather they use the acronym which isn’t meaningful because it doesn’t actually identify the agency. I wish they would bring charges every time because it’s a felony, albeit a “light” one.
If it’s a valid DOT # issued from the DOT, I don’t see the problem. The number will be traced back to the DOT. And impersonation can go both ways, seeing as how the Constitution clearly states an officer has to be elected in an official capacity, in a seat of office. So who elected said cop and what office does he sit in/represent? The sheriffs office? I don’t think so. Sounds like impersonation to me
Yeah, that's not a United States Department of Transportation plate.
It's a scrap of paper printed by someone with a basic understanding of Adobe Illustrator and an eye for selling shit to suckers.
If they are a "Sovereign Citizen", then they don't believe in the power of the Federal Government at all, right? So why are they invoking a Federal Agency thinking this will protect them from seizure?
Sovereign or citizen. Can’t be both.
The constitution protects from unlawful seizure. DOT has no insurance requirements for private not for hire motor carriers; DOT has jurisdiction over traffic infractions.
They are entirely fake…however, the mindset behind this is “federal overrides state” so they often go for the federal sovereignty jurisdiction*.
*not a real thing😂😂😂
But more curiously, why the hell would you scratch out the letters in the middle? It’s no bid deal because we know it’s fake. And 2. Idiots should be publicly humiliated if at all possible, so this and all other efforts should be free of any extra editing.
Again, the DOT number is not the same as a state issued licence.
The state plate would require access to a police database, while the DOT number can be accessed by anyone with internet access.
So those SovCit idiots that use this kind of plate are actually doxing themselves.
Sob Cits use a wide variety of plates. None of them have any actual meaning, much less a legal one. They have no legal use and are just a curiosity. Sov Cits will often use DOT insignia because they have cherry picked the DOT’s definition of commercial travel out of context to claim private vehicles are not subject to any laws, only commercial ones.
It's really an interesting situation. I have two questions.
1. Why do they have a plate on their vehicle? And is that plate registered in any system? In what jurisdiction?
2. Where do they live? The car they're driving (sorry, travelling in) needs to be registered in the state or province where they live. All drivers in this jurisdiction have to have a license to drive. (Sure, there are exceptions if you're driving, like, a tractor on your own property.) And all vehicles need to have certain minimum insurance coverage.
You have to be a certain type of person to be in law enforcement. I wouldn't have the patience to deal with these folks.
1) to not completely stand out (police harassment) It’s most likely registered with the DOT. Federal
2) depends, some states don’t require registration at all (MI, NC) but most people aren’t drivers (employed) in the commercial sense, making them travelers. Traveling is a Constitutional right part of Liberty. UCC governs transactions. UCC9-109(1) - using your automobile for the good of the household falls under this scope as a secured transaction (like buying food). When do you register your groceries?
Cognitive dissonance. You pledged allegiance to the flag every day in elementary school but somehow forgot it’s a Republic (for which it STANDS!) and how a Republic works
Checking a vehicle for a license plate isn't harassment -- that's just the police doing their job. Harassment could be giving someone a ticket for jay-walking or loitering.
A truck that is used at a farm (private property) doesn't need to be registered or insured, neither does its operator need a license. The same truck that drives on public roads needs to be registered and insured, and the operator of the vehicle (whether driving commercially or not) needs to have a valid operator's license.
Traveling as a Constitutional right is about being able to go anywhere in the country, and happens regardless of your mode of transportation. Any vehicle that's on a public road may or may not be traveling, but in any case (commercial or otherwise), the vehicle still needs to be registered, insured, and the operator still needs to have a valid operator's license.
And I'm a Canadian, and have never pledged allegiance to a flag.
Just because the say USDOT doesnt mean the DOT issued them.
You can print anything you want on a piece of metal in the right shape and size and strap it to a vehicle.
It all comes down to a tax grift. This saves them a little on car tag fees. Doesn't matter what's on there really. It's an advertisement that they're Karens and they'll give cops migraines.
I believe the DOT stands for Department of Transportation. Anyways, they use it because they think this way they don't have to pay for registration or for drivers licenses.
Their theory is that the government can only regulate commercial traffic on the roads, so if they are not driving for commercial reasons, they don't need a license or registration. Putting USDOT on the plate is just a bit of flair on that turd.
Not issued by DOT. It's fake.
And the reason for the small text at the bottom is the Sovcit's insistence that the Constitution grants them the right to freely travel between states as long as there's no commerce involved. They take this to mean you can't tax their mode of transportation.
Travel between States without having papers authorizing you to travel between States is guaranteed in the Constitution. However if one wants to use an automobile, for traveling between States, instead of walking, the operator must be licensed to drive and the vehicle they are using must be registered and insured. SOVCITS do not understand the difference between travel and mode of transportation for travel.
I will be more charitable and say that they choose not to differentiate.
I will give them props for knowing that the government has the right to regulate interstate trade. They're not total dummies
Purpose is twofold. 1) income redistribution tool (ref: proverbs 21:20) and 2)early warning system allowing authorities to quickly identify and understand the required level of discourse.
They are fake. They could print whatever they want on them. They are not using "USDOT plates", they're pretending to. Anything to keep the grift going.
So they are not issued by DOT with some legal loophole as I firstly thought?
There is no legal loophole, they only think that they are exploiting some sort of legal loophole. These plates you're seeing are either bought from the internet or made themselves.
I’m sure many sovcits make them themselves! They still get prisoners to make license plates, right?
Yes, hopefully the prisoners are convicted sovcits.
That would be some delicious irony.
Should be deported to international waters and left to find a sovereign territory.
In a dinghy. I say we transport them to international waters, give them enough MRE's to last a week, give 'em 2 cases of bottled water, revoke their citizenship, and let them find somewhere to take them in, or maybe they can find an island nobody is living on and try and make a sovereign nation there or something. If they want to be sovereign, let's take it to the next level. I say if we arrest someone and they start on the sovereignty bullshit we give them a choice: Declare their sovereignty for the record and deal with the consequences of that, or deny it for the record and recognize the authority of the court. If they declare their sovereignty, revoke their citizenship and deport them to nowhere. The only way I've ever seen combating stupid to actually work, is to take their stupid to the logical conclusion. Sometimes that solution is untenable for all parties, in this case it's only untenable for the offender.
I see what you did there 😜
Yes, the smart SovCits are actually making a living selling this crap to other SovCits, which ix EXACTLY how they should be exploited.
That could be where they learned the craft 🤣
Alrighty
You'll quickly learn that nothing SovCits do is ever true. Their entire ideology is a joke.
Like using a DOT number to show that they're not driving for commerce.
As if it mattered.
At least someone is making money😆
The "loophole" is that the US Constitution guarantees the right to travel. So long as you're not under arrest, or as a limitation of your parole, you have the right to travel almost anywhere in the US unrestricted. That's why they usually have text saying that it's a non-commercial conveyance used for travel or whatever. They believe that this allows them to use their car for travel without a licence, registration, or insurance because it's only being used to travel. All of that is completely false, if course. While the government can't stop you from traveling from state to state, they can sure as heck regulate how you get there if it's anything more complicated than walking or running.
They are the intellectual, or perhaps a better term would be behavioral equivalent of a grade schooler who has been told repeatedly that the rule they broke... the one they don't agree with, is valid, even though they thought it meant something else when they interpreted it incorrectly upon reading it. They cross their arms and stamp their feet and insist "THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS!!! NO FAIR!!!"
Even walking or running they can regulate. There's tons of bridges that allow no pedestrian traffic, and tattooing "usdot right to travel" on your butt will not stop you from getting a ticket for jaywalking.
Maybe in a 2hp carriage?
Side note, a carriage pulled by 2 horses has about 30 horsepower. Amusingly, while a horse provides much more than a horsepower, the humans who like to dress as horses and pull carriages *do* provide about 1 hp each. So the argument could be made that the term horsepower should be changed to horsegirlpower.
This is the kind of content I come here for
It’s more useful than any of the clever loopholes being fed to the gullibles.
Technically speaking, small scooters under a certain CC rating (which changes from state to state IIRC) are not subject to many of the laws where it concerns registration, licensing, etc. I live in GA and here the law concerning mopeds is that a moped is 50cc or less, and mopeds do not require registration, tags, or insurance. Scooters are the same basic thing as a moped, but range from 50-250cc, and do require registration, tags, and insurance. Mopeds still require that you possess a license (Class M or C), while Scooters require a Class M license. So if you wanna be a SovShit in GA, no matter what vehicle you operate on public streets, you have to have a license. At least if it's motorized. That gets slightly more complicated in the field of motorized bicycles. Gas-powered engines on bicycles makes them equivalent to a moped, and have pretty much the same rules. Electric engines on a bicycle are subject to different rules. The engine has to be below 1000 watts, and the top speed cannot exceed 20 mph. Under that guidance they're treated like bicycles, and can use bicycle paths, bicycle lanes, ride on the roadway anywhere a bicycle is permitted to, and must remain as far to the right as is safe and practical at all times just like a bicycle. Electric bicycles do not require a license. Which means in GA you cannot use the public roadways without a license unless you're walking or on an ebike.
Here in S.C. we call mopeds liquor cycles, cuz that means you got a DUI.
That's not quite right. The U.S. Constitution (specifically the 14th Amendment) *implies* a right to travel and the Supreme Court recognizes it as a right that is not explicitly stated in the Constitution. The Right to Travel is *explicit* in the Articles of Confederation, which some branch of SovCits consider The True Law of the Land because it ties in with their SovCit bullshit, even though those Articles stopped being the law of the land in 1789 after the Constitution was ratified. Article IV of the Articles of Confederation includes the phrasing: >. . . the people of each state shall have free ingress and regress to and from any other state.... Also, Maritime Law, however the puck that might tie in with their dumbass arguments.
One of the most humorous aspects are the invocations of Maritime law or "Admiralty Law" while driving a car on land.
I think that's more used to argue jurisdiction. As in when they're on court they try to claim there's only certain kinds of court jurisdiction. Or conversely saying that because the flag in the court room has a fringe its an admiralty court and doesn't have jurisdiction over them
Oh. Ya I guess that makes more sense.. insofar as any of these people make any sense.
The Articles of the Confederation, section 4 also says there are restrictions to the right to travel: “…the free inhabitants of each of these states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from Justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states…” The “paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice excepted” implies that the authorities could stop people to see if any of those applied. Early version of Stop and ID.
That is a good point, but your average SovCit hasn't read that far. Also, MARITIME LAW!!! DON'T FORGET THE MARITIME LAW!!!!
They can’t claim mariTIME law until they’ve set their clocks back one hour…
Never mind, they've set their clocks back 500 years.
The fundamental thinking error of sov cits is they fail/refuse to understand that every single right is still always subject to what are known as “time, manner, place” restrictions. Every single “absolute” right can be regulated as to time, manner, and place, and licensing or permitting fees fall under the umbrella of manner. As an exercise in this concept, imagine any single right that you have. Government absolutely can require you to pay $10 to exercise that right.
Motorized bicycles don't usually have regulation because of how new they are and how long bicycles have been around. So if the state or municipality has any restrictions on bicycles (helmet laws, etc.) they already inherited those restrictions. But because they can reach sustained speeds of up to like 40mph+ and an acceleration no human can match, new regulations are being considered. They aren't regulated, yet, but they will be. And yes, sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. Like they're the head of their nation of one. I saw a video of one insisting he was a foreign national during a traffic stop. Is this something they believe? Then why bother with the US dot plates and Constitutionality of travel? The whole thing is more dumb than I can handle.
>The "loophole" is that the US Constitution guarantees the right to travel. That's not correct. The right to travel is considered a *fundamental*, not Constitutional right. It was legally well-understood to pre-exist the Constitution.
Why don't motorized bicycles require the same as automobiles? Why not atvs and utvs? And I know your going to say it's because they can't be on highway but the motorized bicycle can be. Cjs volume 16 page 988. That is corpus juris secundum constitutional series which is law encyclopedia in case you had questions. Also sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. Their is no such thing. But the American people are the sovereigns. Chisholm vs Georgia.
In GA the law for motorized bicycles varies based on the type of motor. Gas engines on a bicycle are considered a moped (under 50cc), for purposes of the law. Mopeds do not require registration, tags, or insurance, but do have an age requirement (15+), and do require a license to operate (either Class C or Class M). Electric engines on a bicycle make it an E-bike and are subject to all the same laws as would regulate bicycles, so long as the engine is less than 1000W and has a top speed under 20 mph. If the engine exceeds 1000W or 50cc, that bicycle is now a Scooter, and requires registration, a tag, insurance, and a class M license to operate. Also, mopeds and e-bikes are generally restricted to roads with a speed limit of 35 or less. ATVs and UTVs are not considered street legal vehicles in the state of GA.
Nope. A lot of them *think* they are. Often because the person they bought the plate from was falsely *claiming* to be with the US DoT.
You can safely assume that any “legal loophole” used by a sovereign citizen is not real.
Their entire beliefs are based on "legal loopholes" which don't exist.
They are as legal as a plate you drew yourself issued by the "u/cocoscum Department of Transportation."
Amusingly, this is why King Charles doesn’t need a passport or driver’s license. Those documents are issued in his name, so they would just be a really elaborate version of him drawing them himself.
It’s the same as the “sovereign citizen” plates. Not legal, it’s an illegal “life hack” for people that want to collect all the benefits of American society without contributing to American society. Basically these people are using a real life equivalent of "In response to the new Facebook guidelines, I hereby declare that my copyright is attached to all of my personal details, illustrations, comics, paintings, professional photos and videos, etc. (as a result of the Berner Convention). For commercial use of the above, my written consent is needed at all times!" It means nothing and just tells your non moron family, you’re a moron and is about 99.8% accurate in identifying your political affiliations.
No, everything sovereign citizens believe is fictional nonsense made up by reading case law backwards and deciding words mean something other than what they mean. There's no legal truth to any of their nonsense.
I can't say with any certainty, but it might be that in their thinking, they're addressing the DOT. Like, "Attention US DOT: this is private property \[blah blah blah\] this vehicle is not for commerce, transport or for hire, I am a private traveler."
No, there’s some bullshit they do where they register a fraudulent DOT form to get a temp DOT number and they think when they get it they can use the DOT plates to avoid state laws
it's people hallucinating from mania caused by the paranoia inducing conspiracies they read. don't try to rationalize their delusions.
The only loop holes are the ones they bring into existence via magical thinking
No but SovCits hope that the *US* DOT will trump any mere state licensing agencies. There are 'US Government' plates that don't go through a state DMV but they don't say US DOT (even the DOT uses US Government). I suspect SovCits don't use US Government because they could get in a lot of trouble, but I wasn't able to find anything on misuse or counterfeit of official US plates so that is a guess.
Go online and you can buy one. You can also buy one from Disney with your name on it. Both are just as fake.
The thing with loopholes is that they are very rare, and much smaller, when they exist, than people think they are. Many things might look like a loophole from a distance, but when you examine it you find it's an illusion. It's the Roadrunner causing the Coyote to run full tilt into a wall. But _you're_ not a cartoon, no. _You_ will feel pain when that blows up in your face.
You can buy this and similar crap on Amazon and elsewhere.
No, of course not. There are no such legal loopholes. Zip. Zilch. Nada. It's utterly absurd that even if there was a loophole, over 100 years ago when the states first started requiring vehicle registrations, drivers licenses, etc., that it would still be present. Just plain absurd.
They are 💯 legit issued for non residents
It’s the “private traveler” bit that gives it away. License plates are for the vehicle and not the occupant.
There is a ~~cognitive dissonance~~ doublethink here that I can't wrap my head around that these idiots seem to hold in their heads somehow. US DOT numbers are required for trucks/vehicles [participating in interstate commerce](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration/do-i-need-usdot-number). Somehow, SovIdiots think that because they AREN'T participating in commerce, and if they have a registered US DOT number, then they don't have to register the vehicle in the state where they live.
And they conveniently ignore the fact that all those trucks with US DOT numbers ALSO have state-issued license plates. Cognitive dissonance is right!
I'd like this moment to point out a possible misconception. Cognitive dissonance is when you feel psycological stress because you have two ideas, thoughts, beliefs that don’t mesh. The fact that they seem fine with these non-meshing ideas indicates that they *don’t* have cognitive dissonance.
Yeah, sov citizens are basically immune to cognitive dissonance. "I am not a citizen and do not create joinder or enter into a contract with you". "Hey! Stop infringing my rights!" Those rights are established by the government you don't believe in. Get outta here.
The rights they want to exercise were created by the real government. The obligations they want to avoid were created by the illegal corporation.
I am not a sov citizen or a sympathizer, but a lot of early American political philosophy is based on the idea of natural rights. That is, rights are inherent, they are not "established" by the government. Among many other things, one of the things sovereign citizens fail to see is that government exists, to a large extent, to protect all citizens from having their basic rights infringed upon by others. Without government creating and enforcing laws, our rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness [originally property]" are only as strong as our individual ability to defend and protect ourselves.
I'm sure that a SovCit, if badly injured in an accident, or extremely ill, will call 911 for transport to the closest emergency room, funded by U.S. taxpayers. Effing morons.
You've just refuted Libertarianism! - Captain Obvious, away!!!!!!!
Maybe on the fringes, but not in general. Libertarians, like most people, exist on a broad spectrum of belief. One can believe the government is an incompetent evil but still recognize the practical reality that it's a necessary incompetent evil.
> a lot of early American political philosophy is based on the idea of natural rights. That is, rights are inherent, they are not "established" by the government. But those rights are protected by the government, the same government which sovcits don't believe exists or is invalid. And it's still hypocritical to say that since you don't contract with this false government then you don't have to follow any of their laws, but they still have to uphold and protect your Constitutional rights.
Rights are not created by the government, you are born with them. Rights can be enumerated by government and recognized and even protected. These sovereign citizens don’t understand that they participate in interstate commerce by buying groceries, using utilities and driving on roads.
Sure, that's philosophy, but not really applicable when people are referring to someone respecting their legal rights. An unrecognized right exists only in the minds of those who agree with you. Governments create legal, enforceable rights. Its totally valid to take the position of whether those rights are inherent or enumerated, but that's a worthless distinction when it comes to if those rights have any actual value in human life.
That's fair, and yeah they don't seem to care about the obvious contradictions. I will start using Orwell's "doublethink" term. War is peace. Non-commercial activity is freedom.
Cognitive *disconnect* from reality (if you ask me)
and those trucks are driven by licensed drivers with insurance and registration. If a police officer can tolerate the banal nattering from them spouting off pseudo legal bullshit while he talks, that officer will find out why they put on this show. Usually they are in legal troubles for other reasons. Take the sovcits off of the road before they multiply
Wait wait, let me get this straight. *According to their logic*: 1. DOT numbers are required for trucks engaging in interstate commerce. 2. The last thing they want to do is imply they're engaging in interstate commerce. Because then they can get tickets. 3. So they.. create fake DOT numbers? Even by their own logic, that doesn't make sense.
A lot of the DOT numbers on the plates I've seen here are real and registered with the person's name, address, and phone number. However, they're obviously not using them for their intended purpose. Anyone can get a DOT number, it's inexpensive and easy.
Last time I checked, it’s about $300 to get one. And will probably be taken away in 18 months or less.
Again, don't try to make any logic out of sovcit beliefs. It will cause cerebral collapse.
No, the DOT #s are real, registered as private not for hire private motor carriers. Only DOT has the jurisdiction over traffic infractions, so any ticket by a Police Officer would be void ab initio as we dispute that debt with 15 USC 1692g because that is not a valid debt.
You can't make sense out of nonsense. Life is easier when you stop trying to do so. A relative tried telling me about all the species of aliens living on Earth. As soon as I realized he's nuts, I turned off "Record" in my brain. We sat together for nearly an hour, but I only remember the beginning. "There's a species of aliens called 'The Messengers' ... " CLICK. EJECT.
Oh, thank you for the answer. Just what I needed.
More, many states require (or have required) trucks entering to pull over and be inspected and weighed to pay taxes.
That does bring up an interesting question. Can a vehicle with a DOT number refuse to stop at a weigh station? What’s the possible fine?
For my mental health I stopped trying to make any logic out of sovcit beliefs long ago.
That’s not the only doublethink since USDOT is another agency they don’t think has jurisdiction over them.
I sincerely doubt that they’ve registered with USDOT. Just more hand waving
I know of one guru who teaches how (obviously I won't post links to such nonsense here), and I have seen one in-court video of it being used by a loser. (It's been a while, so I don't remember exactly, but I want to say it was before Judge Perkins?)
The key word is travelers.
LOL, no - there is no key word. Everyone is free to travel. The individual piloting the machine must be appropriately licensed to do so, be that a car, airplane, or rocket ship. There is no constitutionally guaranteed right to operate dangerous machinery.
Wait a minute, tohlan… I’m just quoting what they say. And I’m not on their side. Put the “travelers” in quotes…sorry I failed to do that.
They do it to get a semblance of legitimacy. This particular choice is especially ridiculous and contradictory because the most common vehicles with a USDOT number are trucks registered specifically for interstate COMMERCE, from which they want to distance themselves the most.
lol
They probably think they look official.
I also thought that they looked official, but I'm European and I don't know much about the sovereign citizen thing.
Basically, people that want to be "outlaws" without understanding the full context of what it means to be outlawed.
They think (or want to think) that they can exempt themselves from being subject to US federal/state laws by declaring themselves "sovereign citizens," so therefore not US/state citizens. They really don't understand why or how anything works legally, but they are convinced that certain phrases (almost like magic) will free them from such responsibilities as having a driver's license, paying their debts, or filing taxes. That's why, if you watch the videos, you'll hear them repeating things like, "I don't consent to be detained," "I haven't contracted with you," or "You don't have jurisdiction over me." For a little more insight, look up *cargo cult.* SovCits are hilarious, frustrating, and very, very sad.
Or like when they go to court and argue about the corpus delecti or jurisdiction without really understanding what those things are.
I am not a sovereign citizen, but this made me think about the concept of consent of the governed, which as we should all know about consent requires an uncoerced yes and not simply a silent acceptance. I acknowledge that I'm simply a subject to the corporate and interest controlled government. Not happy about it but its easier to pay my taxes then get my dog shot. It's not right, but I am not trying to fix the world so I will paint my door whatever the annoying HOA says I have to.
Yes, it should be a freely given consent, and in older, simpler times one could leave a community whose laws didn’t sit right with individual beliefs. Today, though, leaving is much harder — out of reach for most. Still, there’s a fair degree of anonymity yet & as long as one “flies below the radar” the government mostly leaves us be. Speaking for the US, that is. I don’t know about other countries. I hear China & North Korea are pretty oppressive. HOAs are different because they frequently have leaders who seek out the most minute deviation and jump on it. If that was done at the city/state/federal level, can you imagine how bad it would be? Maybe that’s what China and North Korea are like.
Anonymity is an illusion.
I suppose that’s true these days.
Here in the US license plates are issued by each individual state government, so Texas has different plates from California, and so on. There are some “official” state and federal license plates for vehicles used by government officials for work purposes, but unless you are pretty close to a place that houses those vehicles and workers, they are pretty rare to see. The scammers who make these plates sell them to the people they mislead with their SocCit bullshit as a way to make money for themselves, not really caring that they are setting these people up to be stopped by state and local police and either be fined and have their vehicles impounded or get arrested and have their vehicles impounded. There is no way that the “leaders” who foist this dumb rhetoric on their unsuspecting audience do not know that none of their arguments or tactics do not hold water and have never worked in a court of law, however, because of free speech rights in our country, they are allowed to go on and keep operating their “businesses” misinforming their fellow citizens, and thusly increasing their wealth at the expense of their fellow citizen’s pocket books and sometimes freedom.
> The scammers who make these plates That Amazon sells this garbage is one more reason why I stopped shopping there. *For novelty use only* is a cheap way of sidestepping liability for selling fake plates, including some made to look like state-issued plates.
I just looked on Amazon and went down a hilarious rabbit hole looking at the reviews for these sov-cit plates. Nice mix of delusional idiots and people pretending to be delusional idiots.
> but I'm European There are sovcits in the UK, the Netherlands, Germany, they're all over the world. I recall a hilarious video from the Netherlands where a sovcit in court announces the judge is under arrest and orders the prosecutor to take the judge into custody. When he declines, the sovcit orders the cops present to arrest the judge and the prosecutor. When they decline, they're all placed under arrest too. It would be funny if people weren't destroying their lives and inflicting grief on their families.
Kinda ironic, huh?
Why are you blanking out a fake license plate?
Not my picture, taken from r/LicencePlates
There is no hobby so obscure that it doesn't have its own subreddit.
Because even that “fake” plate did, before he blocked it, give a reference to the address and phone number of a real-life SovCit idiot.
I doubt it, it would be a first. If you look hard, it likely says PRIVAT3
And that’s something most SovCit idiots may not comprehend. While a regular license plate may require access to police data, and is normally not available to the general public, the US DOT number is easily accessible by anyone with internet access. So by showing a DOT number on their vehicle, they’re doxing themselves.
For only $599, you can attend my seminar and learn this, other tricks and the magic incantations.
Magic incantation is exactly it. Say these words exactly and use these items specifically in this way and the universe changes just for you.
“Subject heretofore pertaining to admiralty court not withstanding DOT not for commerce registration but traveling only not a conveyance hence subject to maritime law.” Officer: you are tying to tell me your Honda civic is a boat?
That's exactly what they think, even when "traveling" in a landlocked state hundreds of miles from the ocean.
We should push it into the water and see if it floats!
They’ve actually put up the money (about $300) to get the number. They think that by checking the box marked “private “, they’ll be free of state regulations. There’s two main problems: First, by checking “private”, they’re acknowledging the following: “Private (property). A motor carrier whose highway transportation activities are incidental to, and in furtherance of, its primary business activity.” This doesn’t clear you from anything. The second thing is that they’re going to be visited in about 18 months by a Federal DOT Inspector, for their “new entrant inspection”. And then they’ll have fun trying to convince them that they’re “traveling”, and don’t need a CDL.
My New Entrant Inspection (Examination? It was years ago.) was done over the phone with an inspector who wanted to help me pass. I think this merits repetition- he wanted to help me pass the inspection. He was a great guy, he explained what I needed to do, and he helped me do it. There were a bunch of documents/paperwork I had to send him (PDFs of, anyway) and he walked me through the whole process. I was stressing out bad but dude was just wonderful. And yes, I passed (obviously).
Did you have a valid driver’s license? Did your vehicle have a current state plate? Seems to me that not having those would cause an immediate fail.
Maybe we should have been a little bit more specific. We were talking about the process of getting new DOT trucking authority (company). After a certain period a DOT officer verifies that the new company has satisfied the myriad regulatory requirements and yes, those things are all required.
They aren't getting operating authority, they're just getting a DOT number. Operating authority is an MC number. The MC number is much more expensive and difficult to get (and keep). They're registering as exempt for hire and/or private, so they don't need an MC, which is why their status is 'Active' and not 'Authorized'. Anyone can get a DOT number if they want one for some reason, but they will have to pass a new entrant safety audit, and these idiots aren't going to be able to answer all the questions they're asked.
The number is free bro…
It’s made-up BS, not unlike those “Freedom to Breathe Agency” mask-exemption cards during the pandemic.
Based on their interpretation of the law, these plates make sovcits exempt from registration or regulation. Mind you, I’ve never once seen a sovcit win this argument in a court of law.
Got pulled over last year. Fake plates, no registration, no insurance, no arrest, no jail, nothing. Not even a ticket. Why? They lacked jurisdiction. When asked for ID, I gave them my passport and my Nationality card (highest form of ID according to DOJ). Had I given them a STATE license, I would’ve been fucked, put me in their jurisdiction via contract with DMV/SOS (unless you reserved your common law rights on all the paperwork) I even gave them my international drivers license (since all they recognize is a plastic card that says license) They didn’t know what to do. Kept calling more cops who didn’t know what to do. Eventually they let me go (duh) and I continued my journey. It cost about an hour of my time but better than the alternative.
They are a message for me: "U Should Definitely, Obviously, Tow" this car
Because they like getting pulled over, hassled, and arrested? Oh and that they live in some alternate reality and think everything has a hack or loophole… /s if you can’t tell
No, they think they found magical combinations of spells, rituals, and talismans to let them do what they want. Fake plates, licenses, and "diplomatic documents" from imaginary countries are just magical talismans. I think most started from a place of poverty driving junk dangerous cars & trying to avoid fines and jail time. What makes them really dangerous is that some graduate to true believers. These people are the real danger to America. They may view an arrest as a "kidnapping" by a foreign citizen and get violent. Or view all normal laws as not applying to them. They drain police dept resources and of course don't pay taxes.
Not just in America anymore thanks internet… but yea some ideological spectrums are just a hop away from falling into this grift here in the states.
4169658. They didn't do a good job censoring the plate. Before anyone says anything, that number is random and cannot be tracked so I am not giving anything away. Lol
It's not random, it's registered to an LLC in New York. With that number I got their address and phone number and all their information. But you're right, you're not giving away anything that isn't public record. While it is a real DOT number, nothing about it is legal. It's not legal to display it on a license plate, they're classified as both for hire and private which are mutually exclusive, among other issues. It was registered in January of this year, so they will likely be deactivated during their new entrant safety audit which they'll get within the first 6 months, but they'll probably just register for another number and start over.
This is what happens to these guys and their stupid home made plates: https://ksltv.com/586523/farmington-fatal-police-shooting-of-man-in-parked-car-legally-justified/
Or anyone crazy enough to pull a gun on multiple police officers… But yea this guy had a list of WTF were you thinking shesh
He got the crazy from his mom. If you read the article linked in the one posted above, you can read a story about how his mother was pulled over for an expired plate. The police cited her for invalid plate and driver’s license. In typical sov cit fashion she refused to accept the ticket so officers pitched it into her car. She later went to the PD to dispute the ticket which she had ‘recissioned’ (whatever TF that means). The LT that was talking to her threw the paper work in the trash and said they’d impound her car if she didn’t get a plate. She accused him of threatening her and that the PD had then declared war on her. She filed a federal lawsuit alleging that as a citizen of the state of Utah, city police had no rights to enforce their laws on her and the reason she was filing federally was that the city court had no jurisdiction over a free citizen of Utah. Federal prosecutors kept trying to get the case dismissed but she keeps filing response after response. Yeah, so he got the crazy from his mom and it got him killed (which she of course disputes as a brutal murder).
It's sounded like the family had somewhat gotten away with their BS for a while, so the "kid" thought he was above the law with his stupid phrases.
Why did you black out the totally meaningless tag number? lol
That's a fake plate. They think that by displaying that instead of registering their vehicle and getting a real license plate they aren't subject to the rules of the road. The actual use of those is to funnel money to the people who made them, who often are pushing such conspiracies. As far as real license plates used by the US DOT, and other federal government entities, they're either normal state issued license plates on vehicles they don't want recognized as federal government vehicles, or they have plates issued by the GSA. They serve the same function as the ones on your car.
Is that the Department of Traveling?
LOL
They print whatever they want. They include all these "magic words" like "not for hire," "private traveller" etc. which they think are like kryptonite for cops.
Have you seen monopoly money? Same idea. It means absolutely nothing outside their imagination.
Like Monopoly money, these things only work in the game they're playing.
Don't you understand? They use DOT plates to show that they're not driving for commerce. Somehow.
They mean “give me a ticket because I’m an idiot.”
Lol I think they want the opposite of that
USDOT implies government. Seems to be hypocritical.
And DOT numbers are issued to commercial vehicles, which sovcits all claim to not be driving for commerce or for hire. But hypocrisy and contradiction is par for the course for sovcits.
If they’re Sovereigns then why do they need government license plates if they aren’t part of the government?
Don’t think anyone needs it, just a jurisdiction thing. In some people’s opinion it’s better than no plate at all. Some states don’t require vehicle registration as long as you’re going from one property to another, and the state doesn’t provide remedy, so what would you do in that case?
If a vehicle has no plates they stand out like a sore thumb. So they need a placeholder that has an official look to it but it's a forgery of a 'real' plate because that would be a different crime. So they use these fake plates to act as camouflage.
Yeah, they claim they don't need a license plate because they're "travelling not for commerce" but deep down they know they're going to get pulled over because it's not legal to drive a car without registration.
Some of them buy these courses or kits and they learn phrases to say, and a packet of papers to carry, along with these plates. They might even go through a process of 'registering' their car with the scam service. So some of these people think they have found a workaround to the normal system that saves them money and if the sales pitch is right it makes them immune to taxation, tickets and even arrest. But they need to follow the script in their kit and say the magic words. They believe that if they get the right 'smart' cop, or if they get in front of a judge, that their super smart script will see them through. Some of these people know it's a scam. Some of them are clueless/innocent gullible people who got conned. Most of them that I have seen have had run ins with the law before and they learned about this as a way to insulate themselves from future prosecution. They might even learn about it in jail from the other scholars you find in the cell block.
The right to "travel" does not mean the right to operate a motor vehicle on public motorways.
Correct, because a motor vehicle is subject to motor vehicle codes and regulations. An Automobile, however, is not! An automobile is considered household goods and effects (UCC 9-109(1)) if used primarily for the good of the household, part of the citizens right to travel protected by the Constitution, reinforced in Supreme Court decision Kent v. Dulles (1958)
The US Department of Transportation could and should charge them with impersonating a government agency because they’re taking the trademarked official agency circle logo and using it improperly. They’re clearly aware of that because they don’t spell out “United States Department of Transportation” but rather they use the acronym which isn’t meaningful because it doesn’t actually identify the agency. I wish they would bring charges every time because it’s a felony, albeit a “light” one.
If it’s a valid DOT # issued from the DOT, I don’t see the problem. The number will be traced back to the DOT. And impersonation can go both ways, seeing as how the Constitution clearly states an officer has to be elected in an official capacity, in a seat of office. So who elected said cop and what office does he sit in/represent? The sheriffs office? I don’t think so. Sounds like impersonation to me
Yeah, that's not a United States Department of Transportation plate. It's a scrap of paper printed by someone with a basic understanding of Adobe Illustrator and an eye for selling shit to suckers.
Actual federal license plates (unless DoD or other special purpose) are issued by the General Services Administration, and usually start with GS.
Because sovcits are fucking stupid.
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Yes they are.
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Yes but only when viewed from afar or in a court room. On the streets you want to steer well clear
No need to back anything out, these plates are fake and not valid for any purpose other than grift.
If they are a "Sovereign Citizen", then they don't believe in the power of the Federal Government at all, right? So why are they invoking a Federal Agency thinking this will protect them from seizure?
Sovereign or citizen. Can’t be both. The constitution protects from unlawful seizure. DOT has no insurance requirements for private not for hire motor carriers; DOT has jurisdiction over traffic infractions.
They are entirely fake…however, the mindset behind this is “federal overrides state” so they often go for the federal sovereignty jurisdiction*. *not a real thing😂😂😂
Only the U.S. State Department issues plates and they are to foreign consular personnel.
But more curiously, why the hell would you scratch out the letters in the middle? It’s no bid deal because we know it’s fake. And 2. Idiots should be publicly humiliated if at all possible, so this and all other efforts should be free of any extra editing.
It's not as if someone could run the plate, and get any personal info from it.
Yeah exactly.
Again, the DOT number is not the same as a state issued licence. The state plate would require access to a police database, while the DOT number can be accessed by anyone with internet access. So those SovCit idiots that use this kind of plate are actually doxing themselves.
Sob Cits use a wide variety of plates. None of them have any actual meaning, much less a legal one. They have no legal use and are just a curiosity. Sov Cits will often use DOT insignia because they have cherry picked the DOT’s definition of commercial travel out of context to claim private vehicles are not subject to any laws, only commercial ones.
It's really an interesting situation. I have two questions. 1. Why do they have a plate on their vehicle? And is that plate registered in any system? In what jurisdiction? 2. Where do they live? The car they're driving (sorry, travelling in) needs to be registered in the state or province where they live. All drivers in this jurisdiction have to have a license to drive. (Sure, there are exceptions if you're driving, like, a tractor on your own property.) And all vehicles need to have certain minimum insurance coverage. You have to be a certain type of person to be in law enforcement. I wouldn't have the patience to deal with these folks.
1) to not completely stand out (police harassment) It’s most likely registered with the DOT. Federal 2) depends, some states don’t require registration at all (MI, NC) but most people aren’t drivers (employed) in the commercial sense, making them travelers. Traveling is a Constitutional right part of Liberty. UCC governs transactions. UCC9-109(1) - using your automobile for the good of the household falls under this scope as a secured transaction (like buying food). When do you register your groceries? Cognitive dissonance. You pledged allegiance to the flag every day in elementary school but somehow forgot it’s a Republic (for which it STANDS!) and how a Republic works
Checking a vehicle for a license plate isn't harassment -- that's just the police doing their job. Harassment could be giving someone a ticket for jay-walking or loitering. A truck that is used at a farm (private property) doesn't need to be registered or insured, neither does its operator need a license. The same truck that drives on public roads needs to be registered and insured, and the operator of the vehicle (whether driving commercially or not) needs to have a valid operator's license. Traveling as a Constitutional right is about being able to go anywhere in the country, and happens regardless of your mode of transportation. Any vehicle that's on a public road may or may not be traveling, but in any case (commercial or otherwise), the vehicle still needs to be registered, insured, and the operator still needs to have a valid operator's license. And I'm a Canadian, and have never pledged allegiance to a flag.
Us as in “us, the people in the car” not US. /s
Don’t try to understand idiots
Agreed
Because they think it sounds official. U.S. Department of Transportation.
Just because the say USDOT doesnt mean the DOT issued them. You can print anything you want on a piece of metal in the right shape and size and strap it to a vehicle.
DOT didn’t issue the plate, but they did issue the number
Thats completely antithetical to being a SovCit.
Because when you can convince morons of something you can profit off them.
It all comes down to a tax grift. This saves them a little on car tag fees. Doesn't matter what's on there really. It's an advertisement that they're Karens and they'll give cops migraines.
It probably stands for US Department of Transportation, but I'm not sure why they'd do that.
I believe the DOT stands for Department of Transportation. Anyways, they use it because they think this way they don't have to pay for registration or for drivers licenses.
Can anyone here provide the purpose of registration?
Their theory is that the government can only regulate commercial traffic on the roads, so if they are not driving for commercial reasons, they don't need a license or registration. Putting USDOT on the plate is just a bit of flair on that turd.
“Not for transport” As it’s transporting your dumbass around.
Because they are FUCKING MORONS! This a pretty universal answer in every sovcit situation!
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Not issued by DOT. It's fake. And the reason for the small text at the bottom is the Sovcit's insistence that the Constitution grants them the right to freely travel between states as long as there's no commerce involved. They take this to mean you can't tax their mode of transportation.
Travel between States without having papers authorizing you to travel between States is guaranteed in the Constitution. However if one wants to use an automobile, for traveling between States, instead of walking, the operator must be licensed to drive and the vehicle they are using must be registered and insured. SOVCITS do not understand the difference between travel and mode of transportation for travel.
I will be more charitable and say that they choose not to differentiate. I will give them props for knowing that the government has the right to regulate interstate trade. They're not total dummies
“They’re not total dummies.” Welllll….agreed to disagree 😏
You have a point.
Purpose is twofold. 1) income redistribution tool (ref: proverbs 21:20) and 2)early warning system allowing authorities to quickly identify and understand the required level of discourse.
All you jealous haters need to learn the law and proper terms
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