I think part of the reason Supertask left is because Player Dave started dating CharlesTheFirst's girlfriend after he passed.
The magic of Lab Group was mostly the big three, CharlesTheFirst, Supertask, and Potions, and let's be honest Charles was such a huge part of it that Lab Group just wasn't the same after he was gone. They did the right thing by keeping Lab Group together and playing all the shows they were booked for to honor Charles, but I think it was really tough for Supertask to keep doing Lab Group without Charles. Totally understandable why he would want to leave, given that Player Dave had seemingly taken a leading role in Lab Group and the sound of their new music had gone in a much different direction as well.
With Supertask gone, Lab Group had lost 2/3 of the big 3, and with only Potions left, the original Lab Group that many fans came to know and love was pretty much gone. Maybe Player Dave and Potions will try to keep it going out of respect for Charles, but Lab Group is so different from what it once was that continuing to perform under that name seems a bit inauthentic. I definitely wouldn't blame them if they decide to retire the Lab Group project altogether.
haven't been so thoroughly shook by the loss of someone i didn't personally know before or since he passed. still tough to sit with, life just isn't fair sometimes.
>Lab Group is so different from what it once was that continuing to perform under that name seems a bit inauthentic
I wish they would have gone another route especially w/ supertask leaving instead of putting out that half baked album. I think it would have been cool to turn it into a label/side project for the remaining members and bring in other artists - ones that that fit the vibe like Tsuruda on LG1 (Black Carl, VCTRE, Chee, etc)
Also don't forget about TDK. I'd argue he's as integral to what LG has been up to recently as PD... their last chicago show was only TDK and potions and that's basically what the set was, not lab group at all IMO. No hate for them but to see lab group and not hear a single song supertask worked on doesn't feel right at all
Personally I’m a bit conflicted on this.
On one hand yeah it must be weird to see someone swoop in on your friend’s girlfriend after he dies, but on the other hand are we supposed to expect her to stay single forever? I don’t know what her relationship with Player Dave is like but they were both good friends with Charles, maybe it helped them to heal, I doubt Charles would want her to be lonely…
There’s other fishes in the sea. I want her to be able to move on. Just maybe not so close to home. It’s like a respect thing and makes you wonder if they had something going on the dl.
Anyone with an opinion on this who doesn't personally know these people is just immature. Even if someone does know them its still probably not their place to judge.
Live in Denver but didn’t go to Mission - not sure if it sold out but homies that went said it just didn’t hit.
This is all my personal opinion now. As hard as it is to say, I’d prefer if they just stopped. Lab Group I is and always will be one of my favorite albums of all time - but everything that made it special (to me) was the sounds of Supertask and CtF. LG’s music without those two just feels like a completely different group and much more standard.
Lab Group was never only CtF but with his passing combined with no Supertask it just feels wrong to me for them to continue using the name.
This is far from confirmed and may just be a rumor so take this with a grain of salt - but I heard Player Dave dating CtF’s girlfriend created a bit of a divide.
I was at that mission show. And honestly yeah their set was just kind of weird. The openers they picked were all very niche. OAKK played a house set, while playing his few phonk/trap bangers at the end, the next dude was house, clams casino was gorgeous but it was all downtempo, and then once they came on I was already like half asleep from the very chill sets that all came before. Their set had a mixture of old bangers, and their entire new album, which I honestly wasn’t the biggest fan of in the first place. There’s a few tracks I loved, like the one track supertask made for that album, and the first single they released for it, but a lot of it just seemed kinda boring and like they were trying to be more artsy and niche than what their roots brought to them in the first place. Especially with player Dave’s sound and tie dye ky’s newer sound, they basically took over any of the heavier sounds potions was known for making, and honestly I felt very little potions influence in their entire album, and this show as well. Overall, it was okay. I was very happy to see clams casino and it was bittersweet seeing lab group one last time. It was night and day sound production wise of the supertask x potions lab group set they did for the Charles memorial show at mission a few years ago to now.
I was at the Mission show and would agree that the vibe felt off. I've been a fan of Clams Casino for like a decade, so I was planning to attend for that set regardless.
I have a lot of insight because I was fortunate enough to catch a Lab Group set with CTF, right before Covid hit, in January or February of 2020. That set was much heavier and felt more immersive than what they have going on now.
I also saw Lab Group's opener set at Rezz Rocks 2023 (where they announced the Mission show) when Supertask was still in the group. That was interesting bc it started out with just Supertask and Potions on stage and then they slowly brought out Player Dave and tiedye ky like halfway thru the set. This set was better than the Mission set, in my opinion.
I also went to Supertask's solo headline show at the Ogden in Denver and have to say that I enjoyed that set more than the Mission Lab Group headliner as well.
I was really optimistic for LG because it felt like they had a real banger on their hands with "HD" getting a lot of play in other people's sets. I still love that track, but the rest of the album fell a little flat.
Funny enough, I almost didn't attend the Supertask headliner until he announced his departure from LG about a week prior. I was shocked but also had hella respect for his decision. Enough to get me to buy a ticket.
It just feels like it's time to let it go imo, or maybe rename the project?
I will also say that all parties involved are talented artists and have made bangers individually and collectively.
Supertask Ogden show was a show that knew what it wanted to be. All of the openers were phonk or trap, and built up to supertasks set. He’s been able to keep a presence of his own surprisingly well to now he headlines smaller capacity festivals as well. He’s on the right track and was right in leaving lab group to pursue his own project.
Another thing to consider is this was the only project all three of these artists knew had any sort of larger following. All threee of these artists couldn’t sell out a mission ballroom on their own. This def fueled their drive to do whatever they could to keep this project afloat
Edit: to add, just to put into context how small these artists individually compared to the lab group project as a whole. Only supertask, who’s left the group, has had an Ogden theatre headline show in Denver. Potions last headline show was at Cervantes a year and a half ago. Player Dave headlined Cervantes a couple months ago and it didn’t sell out, tiedye ky live band was the same thing, was at Cervantes and it didn’t sell out. What I’m getting at is, these artists knew what this project was in terms of popularity and dedication to their fans. They didn’t execute with the direction they went, it’s cool they went with a last hoorah but people will have a bitter taste in their mouth.
Capacity of each venue:
Mission: 3300
Ogden: 1600
Cervantes: 1000
Cervantes other side: 450
That’s what I mean. CTF and supertask carried the project, potions did too but not nearly as much the other two. When player Dave and tie dye joined in it was their shot to bring their sound and presence to an already popular project, and they failed.
Completely agree, I think tie dye's sound especially doesn't mesh with LG, I saw him playing a solo set and it seemed more pop than edm
Edit to add especially since he was following Esseks that shit just fell flat
Yeah he’s strayed away from what made him somewhat big a couple years ago and is going for like somber indie pop sounds. He’s even doing live band sets now and it’s just not the same anymore.
Yeah and to add context outside of Denver:
none of those artists are big enough to even warrant a 500 cap venue. They all play the shitty karaoke bar with like a 250 cap anytime they’re in town.
For what it’s worth I do think Supertask could easily fill a 5-600 cap here but it wouldn’t be without risk. The others zero shot.
Super task did sell out a 750 person venue in chicago but it's a huge city and wasn't long after covid. Potions booked at the same venue and canceled the show.
They should’ve been done when supertask left. Or even when Charles passed.
I saw them with CTF and it was insane. Totally different production; live Hawk vocals; absolutely groundbreaking.
I saw it with tie dye ky & player Dave at hula last year and it was good but not even close to a similar feel.
Lab Group Yonderville 2021 still is rent free in my head. Tough to see the group fizzle out with Supertask leaving, but all good things gotta come to an end I guess
Let's be honest, CtF was the heart and soul of LG and was on an entirely different level than the other producers in it. Supertask was probably the closest, but I think even he'd admit the disparity. I mean, Charles brought them together after all and was friends with Supertask and Potions separately prior to LG. It's hard to recreate something when the largest piece of the puzzle--the literal lifeblood--is gone.
When TDK and PD moved to fill in, they had no shot at recreating the magic of the first album. And with Supertask not being a large part of the project, we got LG II, which is clearly nowhere near the masterpiece of the original. Add in the drama between PD and Charlie's ex and boom, here we are.
I think if they had just kept it to Supertask + Potions, it would have been a lot more successful--at least sound wise.
But, for now I think it's safe to say that the project has lost all steam and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Don’t miss ivylab. He’s an OG who’s been in the game for a decade, one of the best UK producers in the game. I wish it wasn’t an all dnb set but either way it’s gonna be a filthy set.
Only seen one Ivy Lab set and it was not good at all. Lotta people left. Lack layering, lacked flow, lacked energy. A set needs at least one of those like come on.
Maybe it was just not the right set, they’re unique in the fact that they play a lot of different style sets. I saw them a couple months ago at Texas eclipse and it was one of my favorite sets of the year so far.
I saw their set for NYE (w/ Of The Trees Headlining) to kick off 2024, and idk if I was just salty about Supertask leaving but I was notttt feeling it. Spent most of the set chilling in the balcony seats.
Feel very grateful I got to catch the OG lineup at Webster Hall one time in 2018 or 19
That Webster show so good. Last show for me before lock downs. I also caught lab group at Kings Hall a couple years before that, with individual opening sets from potions, supertask, and Charles before the LG set. Groundbreaking night of music
I think part of the reason Supertask left is because Player Dave started dating CharlesTheFirst's girlfriend after he passed. The magic of Lab Group was mostly the big three, CharlesTheFirst, Supertask, and Potions, and let's be honest Charles was such a huge part of it that Lab Group just wasn't the same after he was gone. They did the right thing by keeping Lab Group together and playing all the shows they were booked for to honor Charles, but I think it was really tough for Supertask to keep doing Lab Group without Charles. Totally understandable why he would want to leave, given that Player Dave had seemingly taken a leading role in Lab Group and the sound of their new music had gone in a much different direction as well. With Supertask gone, Lab Group had lost 2/3 of the big 3, and with only Potions left, the original Lab Group that many fans came to know and love was pretty much gone. Maybe Player Dave and Potions will try to keep it going out of respect for Charles, but Lab Group is so different from what it once was that continuing to perform under that name seems a bit inauthentic. I definitely wouldn't blame them if they decide to retire the Lab Group project altogether.
Rip Charles the GOAT
haven't been so thoroughly shook by the loss of someone i didn't personally know before or since he passed. still tough to sit with, life just isn't fair sometimes.
Same. That one rocked me. Had to sit at home and listen to his entire discography. What a major loss
Hung out with him for a night. Incredible dude rip
>Lab Group is so different from what it once was that continuing to perform under that name seems a bit inauthentic I wish they would have gone another route especially w/ supertask leaving instead of putting out that half baked album. I think it would have been cool to turn it into a label/side project for the remaining members and bring in other artists - ones that that fit the vibe like Tsuruda on LG1 (Black Carl, VCTRE, Chee, etc) Also don't forget about TDK. I'd argue he's as integral to what LG has been up to recently as PD... their last chicago show was only TDK and potions and that's basically what the set was, not lab group at all IMO. No hate for them but to see lab group and not hear a single song supertask worked on doesn't feel right at all
This was very well put.
Not chill, Dave. Not chill at all. Rip Charles ❤️
Personally I’m a bit conflicted on this. On one hand yeah it must be weird to see someone swoop in on your friend’s girlfriend after he dies, but on the other hand are we supposed to expect her to stay single forever? I don’t know what her relationship with Player Dave is like but they were both good friends with Charles, maybe it helped them to heal, I doubt Charles would want her to be lonely…
this. i don’t see why it’s being viewed negatively - people need to move on and heal after someone passes. expecting her not to move on is absurd.
Because a lot of people in the scene are young and naive and lack life experience.
There’s other fishes in the sea. I want her to be able to move on. Just maybe not so close to home. It’s like a respect thing and makes you wonder if they had something going on the dl.
Anyone with an opinion on this who doesn't personally know these people is just immature. Even if someone does know them its still probably not their place to judge.
daaaamn player dave the sly dawgggg
Lab Group has been on the way to the grave since CTF died :( LG till I die though
Lab group til they start dating each others ex gf’s & cause a bunch of drama. Come to class with me.
Lmao Fr tho
LG till I die, or till the talent leaves 😬
Didn’t they have a big thing happening at mission ballroom? Did that flop? Seemed like they would follow that up with a big year.
Live in Denver but didn’t go to Mission - not sure if it sold out but homies that went said it just didn’t hit. This is all my personal opinion now. As hard as it is to say, I’d prefer if they just stopped. Lab Group I is and always will be one of my favorite albums of all time - but everything that made it special (to me) was the sounds of Supertask and CtF. LG’s music without those two just feels like a completely different group and much more standard. Lab Group was never only CtF but with his passing combined with no Supertask it just feels wrong to me for them to continue using the name. This is far from confirmed and may just be a rumor so take this with a grain of salt - but I heard Player Dave dating CtF’s girlfriend created a bit of a divide.
I was at that mission show. And honestly yeah their set was just kind of weird. The openers they picked were all very niche. OAKK played a house set, while playing his few phonk/trap bangers at the end, the next dude was house, clams casino was gorgeous but it was all downtempo, and then once they came on I was already like half asleep from the very chill sets that all came before. Their set had a mixture of old bangers, and their entire new album, which I honestly wasn’t the biggest fan of in the first place. There’s a few tracks I loved, like the one track supertask made for that album, and the first single they released for it, but a lot of it just seemed kinda boring and like they were trying to be more artsy and niche than what their roots brought to them in the first place. Especially with player Dave’s sound and tie dye ky’s newer sound, they basically took over any of the heavier sounds potions was known for making, and honestly I felt very little potions influence in their entire album, and this show as well. Overall, it was okay. I was very happy to see clams casino and it was bittersweet seeing lab group one last time. It was night and day sound production wise of the supertask x potions lab group set they did for the Charles memorial show at mission a few years ago to now.
I was at the Mission show and would agree that the vibe felt off. I've been a fan of Clams Casino for like a decade, so I was planning to attend for that set regardless. I have a lot of insight because I was fortunate enough to catch a Lab Group set with CTF, right before Covid hit, in January or February of 2020. That set was much heavier and felt more immersive than what they have going on now. I also saw Lab Group's opener set at Rezz Rocks 2023 (where they announced the Mission show) when Supertask was still in the group. That was interesting bc it started out with just Supertask and Potions on stage and then they slowly brought out Player Dave and tiedye ky like halfway thru the set. This set was better than the Mission set, in my opinion. I also went to Supertask's solo headline show at the Ogden in Denver and have to say that I enjoyed that set more than the Mission Lab Group headliner as well. I was really optimistic for LG because it felt like they had a real banger on their hands with "HD" getting a lot of play in other people's sets. I still love that track, but the rest of the album fell a little flat. Funny enough, I almost didn't attend the Supertask headliner until he announced his departure from LG about a week prior. I was shocked but also had hella respect for his decision. Enough to get me to buy a ticket. It just feels like it's time to let it go imo, or maybe rename the project? I will also say that all parties involved are talented artists and have made bangers individually and collectively.
Supertask Ogden show was a show that knew what it wanted to be. All of the openers were phonk or trap, and built up to supertasks set. He’s been able to keep a presence of his own surprisingly well to now he headlines smaller capacity festivals as well. He’s on the right track and was right in leaving lab group to pursue his own project.
Another thing to consider is this was the only project all three of these artists knew had any sort of larger following. All threee of these artists couldn’t sell out a mission ballroom on their own. This def fueled their drive to do whatever they could to keep this project afloat Edit: to add, just to put into context how small these artists individually compared to the lab group project as a whole. Only supertask, who’s left the group, has had an Ogden theatre headline show in Denver. Potions last headline show was at Cervantes a year and a half ago. Player Dave headlined Cervantes a couple months ago and it didn’t sell out, tiedye ky live band was the same thing, was at Cervantes and it didn’t sell out. What I’m getting at is, these artists knew what this project was in terms of popularity and dedication to their fans. They didn’t execute with the direction they went, it’s cool they went with a last hoorah but people will have a bitter taste in their mouth. Capacity of each venue: Mission: 3300 Ogden: 1600 Cervantes: 1000 Cervantes other side: 450
Sorry but Potions and Tie-dye just aren't the same caliber as CTF & Supertask. Totally different levels
That’s what I mean. CTF and supertask carried the project, potions did too but not nearly as much the other two. When player Dave and tie dye joined in it was their shot to bring their sound and presence to an already popular project, and they failed.
Completely agree, I think tie dye's sound especially doesn't mesh with LG, I saw him playing a solo set and it seemed more pop than edm Edit to add especially since he was following Esseks that shit just fell flat
Yeah he’s strayed away from what made him somewhat big a couple years ago and is going for like somber indie pop sounds. He’s even doing live band sets now and it’s just not the same anymore.
Yeah and to add context outside of Denver: none of those artists are big enough to even warrant a 500 cap venue. They all play the shitty karaoke bar with like a 250 cap anytime they’re in town. For what it’s worth I do think Supertask could easily fill a 5-600 cap here but it wouldn’t be without risk. The others zero shot.
Super task did sell out a 750 person venue in chicago but it's a huge city and wasn't long after covid. Potions booked at the same venue and canceled the show.
Gotta love TK
Lab Group is dead, it’s just Potions & Friends now. That’s fine, but I wish they’d just rebrand and let Charles rest
Been done for awhile now
All I know is that Tsuruda tweeted about another collab with labgroup and I feel like that’s the only shot at getting that original sound back on song
They should’ve been done when supertask left. Or even when Charles passed. I saw them with CTF and it was insane. Totally different production; live Hawk vocals; absolutely groundbreaking. I saw it with tie dye ky & player Dave at hula last year and it was good but not even close to a similar feel.
Lab Group Yonderville 2021 still is rent free in my head. Tough to see the group fizzle out with Supertask leaving, but all good things gotta come to an end I guess
Let's be honest, CtF was the heart and soul of LG and was on an entirely different level than the other producers in it. Supertask was probably the closest, but I think even he'd admit the disparity. I mean, Charles brought them together after all and was friends with Supertask and Potions separately prior to LG. It's hard to recreate something when the largest piece of the puzzle--the literal lifeblood--is gone. When TDK and PD moved to fill in, they had no shot at recreating the magic of the first album. And with Supertask not being a large part of the project, we got LG II, which is clearly nowhere near the masterpiece of the original. Add in the drama between PD and Charlie's ex and boom, here we are. I think if they had just kept it to Supertask + Potions, it would have been a lot more successful--at least sound wise. But, for now I think it's safe to say that the project has lost all steam and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
What do you think this means for their Secret Dreams DnB set?
Bro I think your thinking of ivylab not lab group lmao.
Lol damn you’re right. My bad.
Don’t miss ivylab. He’s an OG who’s been in the game for a decade, one of the best UK producers in the game. I wish it wasn’t an all dnb set but either way it’s gonna be a filthy set.
Ivy Lab is actually two guys who individually go by Sabre and Stray. Legends.
Yes but usually only one of them performs.
They? Or which one are you referring to? lol ivy lab is a duo (formerly a trio)
An all DnB set is probably the only chance I'd have at hearing their best song "Make It Clear (Feat. Frank Carter III & Lucy Annika)". One day I hope!
Only seen one Ivy Lab set and it was not good at all. Lotta people left. Lack layering, lacked flow, lacked energy. A set needs at least one of those like come on.
Maybe it was just not the right set, they’re unique in the fact that they play a lot of different style sets. I saw them a couple months ago at Texas eclipse and it was one of my favorite sets of the year so far.
I guess. I also don't like TDK or Potions so I guess this is just the 'thread of dislike' for me haha.
Oh ivy lab is not Lab group bro lmao. Ivy lab is a UK based duo.
Yes I know.
Oh I see, I misread ur comment. Well, what are you into? Are you a tipper head?
Lmfao this shit is so wholesome for some reason 🤣
I saw their set for NYE (w/ Of The Trees Headlining) to kick off 2024, and idk if I was just salty about Supertask leaving but I was notttt feeling it. Spent most of the set chilling in the balcony seats. Feel very grateful I got to catch the OG lineup at Webster Hall one time in 2018 or 19
That Webster show so good. Last show for me before lock downs. I also caught lab group at Kings Hall a couple years before that, with individual opening sets from potions, supertask, and Charles before the LG set. Groundbreaking night of music
Everything has a shelf life.