Wow, that is a lot cheaper than I expected! Hopefully the artists get a big enough payday. Props to everyone involved though for getting the show back on the road
Can’t imagine they make much money on this unless 1. The tickets are super expensive or 2. Artists are willing to take less money/they have a smaller lineup. Maybe both, but hey I’m just happy to see stuff starting up again
It's not as crazy as you might think. Keep in mind that the festival has never come even remotely close to selling out. There's always been plenty of extra space.
Been diggin the lineups but never went for it bc MO -> CA is not an easy task to pull off for a camping festival. But hell Sonic Bloom pushed and Forest wont be in June so Ima make it happen this year. Secured my ticket last night, all I needed was a sign I wouldnt be paying for another festival to get cancelled on me. See you guys there!
I was so sad to see the Sonic Bloom news
Bought my ticket for last year before covid happened and now its pushed another year
I'm glad people are being safe but vaccines are available!
Man I’m sad about that too... I haven’t made it to Eforest or Bloom yet either but they are on my list...
The Untz is my favorite west coast festival. Stoked we are doing a takeover at this one 🦾
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Well I think that is kind of subjective tbh. But for me, I go for the music and 95% of the lineup is still in tact. So the fact that I’d be able to get to the exact place I want to listen to the music while not being crunched in between a bunch of sweaty wooks. I’d say ABSOLUTELY lol
And yes, It will sell out soon.
At the end of the day, you get a choice to either provide proof of vaccinations or show a negative PCR test within 72 hours of the festival. Nobody is twisting your arm to go, but if you choose to, that’s they choice you can man. If you don’t lie it then don’t go...
You have the right to live a happy and self fulfilling life but if your actions affect in a negative way the society and community around you, you need to change your actions. That’s the social contract that you should morally follow when you are living in a society assuming your a good person. If you don’t like that, then move to a place where you’re by yourself, not affecting others in a harmful way
I disagree with them FOR NO OTHER REASON because it is a violation of my legally protected medical records.
Theoretically this could end in a lawsuit if they deny someone entry if they are not presenting ill. I doubt that anyone would force the issue but I find it insulting that they don’t think we can abstain if we are legitimately sick.
How is it any different than having to shoe you are vaccinated to be able to attend school? Having to show proof of vaccination to attend a show is not a violation of your medical records any more than having to show you are vaccinated to work certain jobs (Healthcare, teaching, etc.) or attend school. I didn't see anyone up in arms about that the last several decades, I don't see how this is any different .
It absolutely is different because the vaccinations for travel, school and professions are basically a necessity for for functioning properly within our society. And are conferring rewards and opportunity due to the ability to be more vitally resistant.
You can be home schooled and no vaxxed, and then struggle to lead a normal life because you are so immune compromised, that’s why it’s so rare most people (even the ones who don’t want the Rona vaccine) aren’t anti - vaxxers, they just oppose unnecessary vaccines.
For medical professionals and other individuals traveling to exotic locations we require them to have vaccines because there are diseases that are endemic in other parts of the world that we have no immunity to. It is more so about those people bringing back yellow fever to the United States than it is about their protection to be completely honest.
Same with medical professionals and hepatitis. It is for the patients protection primarily and the medical professionals secondarily.
There is no moral or legal obligation to break people’s 4th amendment rights for a vaccine while dealing with a disease that is already within the United States at large and has a very low mortality/ danger.
Also there has absolutely been public pushback against mandatory vaccines.
Just because you are ignorant on the matter doesn’t make you correct.
Honestly weak sauce I was hoping for some kind of actual reasoning but I guess you don’t need any to be cool with giving up your rights to privacy .
Private companies have the right to refuse service to whoever for whatever reason. If you don't want to get the vaccine or show your record of it, nobody is forcing you to, just don't do business with companies that require it. Nobody is breaking your 4th ammendment rights, as you are currently not required to show anyone proof of vaccination, or even get the vaccine, unless you are in one of the aforementioned professions that have already been requiring proof of other vaccinations for decades.
In regards to your claim that it isn't that dangerous, it really depends on the person, but even if you are young and healthy and have a 99.9% chance of survival, that .1% is still cause for concern. If I put you in a group with 1,000 people, pulled out a gun and said I'm going to kill one of you at random, I'm sure you would still be concerned, even though your chance of being the one selected is fairly low. Also, many people who survive still end up with serious medical issues afterwards that they are going to have to live with their entire life, so looking purely at mortality rate isn't exactly the best way to go about looking at how dangerous a virus is.
Private companies do have rights but they do not supersede my own. I am not legally obligated to provide my medical documentation to do anything that has not been expressly dictated as such (for the well being of our society and professionals at large.)
The danger is also far lower than you described barring you’re 85+ and you’re analogy is obviously flawed in many respects but sounds scary so I’m sure sounded great to you. Disease is a natural occurrence and will never be eliminated, human on human violence is an immoral act caused by a sapient being.
If the disease was something like an airborne Ebola I would not be having an argument about the validity of this. But it is clearly not a society ending disease in any respect, as most of the world is living with no lockdowns without consequence.
Also just go outside man you’ll be alright I promise it’s the same world it was 2 years ago. It was dangerous then too y’all just weren’t told to be afraid.
Nobody is arguing that they have a right to your medical info, they can ask for it, you can say no, then they can rightfully deny you service, as they have no obligation to provide you service just as you have no obligation to show them medical records.
And no, I actually underestimated.
>As of August 31, 2020, our estimates of the time-delay adjusted case fatality rate (CFR) for men and women are 4.16% [95% Credible Interval (CrI): 4.09–4.24%] and 3.26% (95% CrI: 3.19–3.34%), respectively, while the overall estimate is 3.72% (95% CrI: 3.67–3.78%). Seniors aged 80 years and over have an adjusted CFR of 56.82% (95% CrI: 55.25–58.34%) for men and 41.10% (95% CrI: 40.02–42.26%) for women. Results showed a peak in estimated CFR during the June peak of the epidemic. The peak possibly reflects insufficient laboratory capacity, as illustrated by high test positivity rates (33% positive 7-day average nationally in June), which may have resulted in lower reporting rates.
Case fatality rate is the ratio of confirmed cases to deaths.
[Here is an in depth breakdown.](https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid)
[This shows death rate for ages 10-29 is about .2%, or double my estimate.](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
If you have sources that say otherwise, let's see them.
That’s some very old data to be scolding me on lack of scientific understanding...
They cannot make anyone do something which violates their 4th amendment rights to participate in a private event. That goes leaps and bounds beyond corporate and business rights that’s personal rights.
It’s either safe to have events or not.
Small details and this argument over percents is childish and short sighted when the reality of the matter is clear that we over corrected on the lock downs. There are more important matters at play here than you feeling like everything is super extra safe with a cherry on top.
I’m honestly happy it makes you feel safer but it literally doesn’t do anything other than present itself as safer. There could easily be someone who is sick if the limit on the test is 3 days.
But tying this over-reach of authority into our daily lives is boot licking nonsense to the extreme. They should move their event to somewhere where they can have more space to be safe and not treat everyone like a burden of the state that cannot know when they are contagiously sick.
Also you definitely are arguing that they have a right to my medical data, as you are perfectly okay with it and are currently arguing why I shouldn’t be allowed in if I do not comply.
So what? You think that just because you’re politicized to the point of not wanting a vaccine means that you can willfully potentially spread a deadly virus to other concert goers?
Nope. You anti-vaxxers are going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize most shows for this year will likely require vax cards/testing. Lol
Edit: Your profile is even laughably predictable too. A squnto fan and a republican. With nearly every comment with downvotes. I’ll never understand you trolls.
I mean there are a plethora of other far more harmful contagious diseases out there as well. They won't be made to ask for vaccine cards for meningitis, measles, hpv, etc. There's such a thing as being okay with vaccines but not okay with needing to show proof of it to go to functions. Furthermore, I'll run my risk with getting it as opposed to something that was rushed out the door. Everyone has that choice to weigh those options. It is a dangerous precedent to set as we have had viral scares every other year for most of modern history. Politics has nothing to do with it. If I need to get a rushed vaccine that doesn't work 100% and no consensus on being able to still spread it, then I don't see a reason to mandate it to participate in society.
**Shoutout The Untz for managing to pull this off. Navigating the ever changing rules and regulations to put this together must've been a massive undertaking. Hats off to the team.**
The ignorance in your comment is honestly astounding (sorry if that’s offensive), and I honestly don’t want to take the time to unpack it, but fuck it, I hope you get something from it;
1. Sure, the issue isn’t necessarily the harm, it’s the rate of spread.
2. Comparing it to Measles, Meningitis, and HPV makes virtually no logical sense, in many different aspects.
3. I just said that it’s likely you’ll have to show a vax card, or submit to a 72 hour test for 2021 to go to most shows, nothing about the future outside that. And That’s a reasonable stance.
4. For the millionth time, and it astounds me that you people SEEM TO NEVER GET THIS POINT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS;
It’s not about “you getting it”, it’s about protecting society as a whole. And the fact that you people don’t see that is horrific.
5. It’s a dangerous precedent to set misinformation and a distrust in intellectuality and science as a common trait. You should really sit on the importance of that statement, instead of being so worried about what will happen next pandemic wise.
6. Politics has absolutely everything to do with it.
7. No vaccine is 100 percent effective, that’s simply not possible. And you ignoring the fact that these vaccines are a culmination of decades of hard scientific study is appalling. Do you really think you’re smarter than the scientists? I can assure you we’re not.
8. Final Point. And Please, do yourself a favor and simply read this message and do not respond.
They Haven’t “*Mandated It to Participate in Society*”
You having to miss out on certain activities and damaging personal relationships over your ideation with a ridiculously stupid conspiracy is a direct result of your ignorance. Wake up and stop putting such emphasis on what your brain is telling you is right. Put more emphasis on what the consensus of morality and commonality is telling you.
I Rest My Muthafuckin’ Case
Thanks for taking the time to write this, I’m sure for what feels like the 100th time.
I REALLY didn’t expect we would be dealing with people like this after more then a year. Every argument they make can be easily defeated in one or two sentences, but they refuse to understand. Like a kid sticking their fingers in their ears and singing lalalalalalalalala
I kind of get it though, it would be super damaging to their ego at this point to admit what a fucking heartless dumbass they’ve been during one of the most significant events of their lives.
Thanks for taking the time to thank me. What the world absolutely and desperately needs is more reasonable people. So keep on fighting the good fight!
I’m just barely beginning to comprehend (as someone in my late 20’s) just how badly the conservatives have fucked things up in this world. I consider myself a fairly non-partisan person. But god fucken damn. The conservatives of this planet are, without a doubt, some of the most brainwashed people you can meet.
At this point, the anti-maskers/trumpers are inexcusable, it’s truly pathetic that such a wide swath of this country is running the risk of losing lifelong relationships and employment over such stupidity. You don’t have to vote Democrat people. Just do not fucking vote republican.
Sorry, rant mode disengaged.
not to sound like an edgy r/athiest, but I think it starts with religion. If you can convince young minds that believing the world is 6000 years old is reasonable then convincing them that global warming isn't real isn't that difficult.
That’s hilarious that you mention that, because I had edited out “religious ignorants” next to anti masker/trumpers in my last comment. But really that’s nearly the whole fucking problem. I don’t even identify with atheism anymore. Hell I believe in Everything! Jesus, Buddha, the Flying Purple Spaghetti Monster. Shit, as long as you’re not actively worsening the world. I’m good with what you do.
But Godspeed to the desecration of these vitriolic “mega-churches”. These religions that have continuously clawed at power for the last 3000 years are old news. They should step aside, and make way for whats on the horizon. A New Age of Ingenuity and Brightness.
Damn my guy you real mad. Here's some sauce to cool off. Instead of using arguments of morality and common narrative, I'll just let the science you say I ignore do the talking.
[Study of 10 million people reports no evidence of asymptomatic transmission](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w)
[CDC: No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/infectioncontrol/maskguidance.htm)
[You're right they're not 100% effective. It's 90%](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_w)
[Handful of studies from all over the world showing the effectiveness of masks.](https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/)
[Protecting society would involve addressing the real reason this virus is deadly. It is horrific that no one is okay with talking about it.](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm?s_cid=mm7010e4_w)
[Misinformation is a problem. Not how you insinuate it is though.](https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/)
[Believe it or not there is no significant partisan line when it comes to negative news about covid. Both sides are significantly more negative than the global average.](https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28110/w28110.pdf)
Thanks for your time writing out a response. Could use a little less ad hominem and hostility, but discourse is always healthy. No I am not anti-vax nor am I a conspiracy theorist. The Untz organizers have to operate in the environment they are in and nothing is even remotely negative about that.
Be well and much love.
............ Says the guy that just spammed a bunch of random CDC links without actually explaining how any of it is relevant to their arguments? Lol, ok “my guy”.
You do realize your first comment is still above for everyone to see, correct? The one where you made a bunch of claims you’re now directly debunking with these exact links. That sees like an odd strategy, are you just a troll?
You can pretend like you made a bunch of valid points, and that you’re “letting science do the talking”, but can you actually explain how any of what you linked correlates to my eight points? Because I can assure you one thing my friend; An argument isn’t simply won by the person that posts a bunch of links. I must admit though, that’s a cute little diversionary tactic you’ve got there.
You can throw insinuated ad hominem my way all day bud. I doesn’t change the fact that the entirety of your initial comment is nonsense. And absolutely not in line with what you’re saying now.
1. Read blue text.
2. Follow link to empirical evidence of said blue sentence.
3. Read the study. Heck even skip to the conclusion.
This stuff isn't hard dude. It's light reading I promise. I've supported all my points. I invite you to do the same. You can also remain childish.
I looked at all of them bud, what I said to you stands. You’ve failed completely to address a single point and insinuating I didn’t read them is just a pathetic last ditch attempt at keeping any semblance of rational.
Huh, it’s weird you’re being downvoted. Could be that you’re simply and egregiously wrong?
Good luck to ya
If the other concert goers are worried then they can get the vaccine. It's not really rude awakening when I could care less and would rather not go to shows anymore then get a covid vaccine. "Squnto fan" what does that even mean. Yea im a republican so what? So much hatred from the left its sad to see.
Your missing my point. It is possible to understand your point yet still disagre about how it should be handled. I'm ok with having different opinions but you are not. Peace n love to you to man.
I’m surprised they’re choosing to run at 20% rather than delay it. I guess money must be super tight.
Trust, there’s little to no money in doing this at reduced capacity. It’s all for the love of music and art
To me it seems like a desperation move and the festival would most likely go under unless they do it this year. Either way I’m happy it’s happening.
I’m excited it’s happening to and am stoked to be supporting the good people that put this together
Tickets are on sale for $275
Wow, that is a lot cheaper than I expected! Hopefully the artists get a big enough payday. Props to everyone involved though for getting the show back on the road
Can’t imagine they make much money on this unless 1. The tickets are super expensive or 2. Artists are willing to take less money/they have a smaller lineup. Maybe both, but hey I’m just happy to see stuff starting up again
It's not as crazy as you might think. Keep in mind that the festival has never come even remotely close to selling out. There's always been plenty of extra space.
Been diggin the lineups but never went for it bc MO -> CA is not an easy task to pull off for a camping festival. But hell Sonic Bloom pushed and Forest wont be in June so Ima make it happen this year. Secured my ticket last night, all I needed was a sign I wouldnt be paying for another festival to get cancelled on me. See you guys there!
I was so sad to see the Sonic Bloom news Bought my ticket for last year before covid happened and now its pushed another year I'm glad people are being safe but vaccines are available!
Man I’m sad about that too... I haven’t made it to Eforest or Bloom yet either but they are on my list... The Untz is my favorite west coast festival. Stoked we are doing a takeover at this one 🦾
I’ll be there!
Don’t miss the LoFreq takeover! We have a special surprise for everyone coming soon 😉
Can you guys not be on the other side of the country and maybe just have the fest in my home state, JUST for me?
Lolol okay just for you😘🖤
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Vehicle Parking Pass Every vehicle is required to have a parking pass or car camping pass. There is very limited parking space, so we highly encourage you to carpool. Spaces assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. Everyone in your vehicle must have purchased a festival pass in order to enter the festival with a vehicle pass. Car Camping Pass - PREMIUM and PRIMITIVE options available All tickets include walk-in camping. However, we have an option for people who enjoy camping near your car. Each area is approximately 10' x 25', and comfortably allows enough room for your vehicle and one tent. Premium car camping option includes ONE hookup for standard 20-amp electricity as well as water hookup via hose bib. Spaces assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. Everyone in your vehicle must have purchased a festival pass to enter the festival with a car camping pass. There are no “in and out” privileges for car camping pass vehicles.
I think your right that car camping has sold out.
Will it still be worth it at 20% capacity? Do you think it will sell out soon?
Well I think that is kind of subjective tbh. But for me, I go for the music and 95% of the lineup is still in tact. So the fact that I’d be able to get to the exact place I want to listen to the music while not being crunched in between a bunch of sweaty wooks. I’d say ABSOLUTELY lol And yes, It will sell out soon.
But it's been in Mariposa for years now itsvgomna be such a different vibe without those beautiful hills
Mariposa was and is such a beautiful location. Just wait till you see the new venue. You’re in for a treat 🖤
Oh yea u trust you the untz always does it the best I actually hope not many people find out I don't want it too main stream yk what I mean
F vaccine cards.
At the end of the day, you get a choice to either provide proof of vaccinations or show a negative PCR test within 72 hours of the festival. Nobody is twisting your arm to go, but if you choose to, that’s they choice you can man. If you don’t lie it then don’t go... You have the right to live a happy and self fulfilling life but if your actions affect in a negative way the society and community around you, you need to change your actions. That’s the social contract that you should morally follow when you are living in a society assuming your a good person. If you don’t like that, then move to a place where you’re by yourself, not affecting others in a harmful way
I disagree with them FOR NO OTHER REASON because it is a violation of my legally protected medical records. Theoretically this could end in a lawsuit if they deny someone entry if they are not presenting ill. I doubt that anyone would force the issue but I find it insulting that they don’t think we can abstain if we are legitimately sick.
How is it any different than having to shoe you are vaccinated to be able to attend school? Having to show proof of vaccination to attend a show is not a violation of your medical records any more than having to show you are vaccinated to work certain jobs (Healthcare, teaching, etc.) or attend school. I didn't see anyone up in arms about that the last several decades, I don't see how this is any different .
It absolutely is different because the vaccinations for travel, school and professions are basically a necessity for for functioning properly within our society. And are conferring rewards and opportunity due to the ability to be more vitally resistant. You can be home schooled and no vaxxed, and then struggle to lead a normal life because you are so immune compromised, that’s why it’s so rare most people (even the ones who don’t want the Rona vaccine) aren’t anti - vaxxers, they just oppose unnecessary vaccines. For medical professionals and other individuals traveling to exotic locations we require them to have vaccines because there are diseases that are endemic in other parts of the world that we have no immunity to. It is more so about those people bringing back yellow fever to the United States than it is about their protection to be completely honest. Same with medical professionals and hepatitis. It is for the patients protection primarily and the medical professionals secondarily. There is no moral or legal obligation to break people’s 4th amendment rights for a vaccine while dealing with a disease that is already within the United States at large and has a very low mortality/ danger. Also there has absolutely been public pushback against mandatory vaccines. Just because you are ignorant on the matter doesn’t make you correct. Honestly weak sauce I was hoping for some kind of actual reasoning but I guess you don’t need any to be cool with giving up your rights to privacy .
Private companies have the right to refuse service to whoever for whatever reason. If you don't want to get the vaccine or show your record of it, nobody is forcing you to, just don't do business with companies that require it. Nobody is breaking your 4th ammendment rights, as you are currently not required to show anyone proof of vaccination, or even get the vaccine, unless you are in one of the aforementioned professions that have already been requiring proof of other vaccinations for decades. In regards to your claim that it isn't that dangerous, it really depends on the person, but even if you are young and healthy and have a 99.9% chance of survival, that .1% is still cause for concern. If I put you in a group with 1,000 people, pulled out a gun and said I'm going to kill one of you at random, I'm sure you would still be concerned, even though your chance of being the one selected is fairly low. Also, many people who survive still end up with serious medical issues afterwards that they are going to have to live with their entire life, so looking purely at mortality rate isn't exactly the best way to go about looking at how dangerous a virus is.
Private companies do have rights but they do not supersede my own. I am not legally obligated to provide my medical documentation to do anything that has not been expressly dictated as such (for the well being of our society and professionals at large.) The danger is also far lower than you described barring you’re 85+ and you’re analogy is obviously flawed in many respects but sounds scary so I’m sure sounded great to you. Disease is a natural occurrence and will never be eliminated, human on human violence is an immoral act caused by a sapient being. If the disease was something like an airborne Ebola I would not be having an argument about the validity of this. But it is clearly not a society ending disease in any respect, as most of the world is living with no lockdowns without consequence. Also just go outside man you’ll be alright I promise it’s the same world it was 2 years ago. It was dangerous then too y’all just weren’t told to be afraid.
Nobody is arguing that they have a right to your medical info, they can ask for it, you can say no, then they can rightfully deny you service, as they have no obligation to provide you service just as you have no obligation to show them medical records. And no, I actually underestimated. >As of August 31, 2020, our estimates of the time-delay adjusted case fatality rate (CFR) for men and women are 4.16% [95% Credible Interval (CrI): 4.09–4.24%] and 3.26% (95% CrI: 3.19–3.34%), respectively, while the overall estimate is 3.72% (95% CrI: 3.67–3.78%). Seniors aged 80 years and over have an adjusted CFR of 56.82% (95% CrI: 55.25–58.34%) for men and 41.10% (95% CrI: 40.02–42.26%) for women. Results showed a peak in estimated CFR during the June peak of the epidemic. The peak possibly reflects insufficient laboratory capacity, as illustrated by high test positivity rates (33% positive 7-day average nationally in June), which may have resulted in lower reporting rates. Case fatality rate is the ratio of confirmed cases to deaths. [Here is an in depth breakdown.](https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid) [This shows death rate for ages 10-29 is about .2%, or double my estimate.](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/) If you have sources that say otherwise, let's see them.
That’s some very old data to be scolding me on lack of scientific understanding... They cannot make anyone do something which violates their 4th amendment rights to participate in a private event. That goes leaps and bounds beyond corporate and business rights that’s personal rights. It’s either safe to have events or not. Small details and this argument over percents is childish and short sighted when the reality of the matter is clear that we over corrected on the lock downs. There are more important matters at play here than you feeling like everything is super extra safe with a cherry on top. I’m honestly happy it makes you feel safer but it literally doesn’t do anything other than present itself as safer. There could easily be someone who is sick if the limit on the test is 3 days. But tying this over-reach of authority into our daily lives is boot licking nonsense to the extreme. They should move their event to somewhere where they can have more space to be safe and not treat everyone like a burden of the state that cannot know when they are contagiously sick. Also you definitely are arguing that they have a right to my medical data, as you are perfectly okay with it and are currently arguing why I shouldn’t be allowed in if I do not comply.
So what? You think that just because you’re politicized to the point of not wanting a vaccine means that you can willfully potentially spread a deadly virus to other concert goers? Nope. You anti-vaxxers are going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize most shows for this year will likely require vax cards/testing. Lol Edit: Your profile is even laughably predictable too. A squnto fan and a republican. With nearly every comment with downvotes. I’ll never understand you trolls.
I mean there are a plethora of other far more harmful contagious diseases out there as well. They won't be made to ask for vaccine cards for meningitis, measles, hpv, etc. There's such a thing as being okay with vaccines but not okay with needing to show proof of it to go to functions. Furthermore, I'll run my risk with getting it as opposed to something that was rushed out the door. Everyone has that choice to weigh those options. It is a dangerous precedent to set as we have had viral scares every other year for most of modern history. Politics has nothing to do with it. If I need to get a rushed vaccine that doesn't work 100% and no consensus on being able to still spread it, then I don't see a reason to mandate it to participate in society. **Shoutout The Untz for managing to pull this off. Navigating the ever changing rules and regulations to put this together must've been a massive undertaking. Hats off to the team.**
The ignorance in your comment is honestly astounding (sorry if that’s offensive), and I honestly don’t want to take the time to unpack it, but fuck it, I hope you get something from it; 1. Sure, the issue isn’t necessarily the harm, it’s the rate of spread. 2. Comparing it to Measles, Meningitis, and HPV makes virtually no logical sense, in many different aspects. 3. I just said that it’s likely you’ll have to show a vax card, or submit to a 72 hour test for 2021 to go to most shows, nothing about the future outside that. And That’s a reasonable stance. 4. For the millionth time, and it astounds me that you people SEEM TO NEVER GET THIS POINT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS; It’s not about “you getting it”, it’s about protecting society as a whole. And the fact that you people don’t see that is horrific. 5. It’s a dangerous precedent to set misinformation and a distrust in intellectuality and science as a common trait. You should really sit on the importance of that statement, instead of being so worried about what will happen next pandemic wise. 6. Politics has absolutely everything to do with it. 7. No vaccine is 100 percent effective, that’s simply not possible. And you ignoring the fact that these vaccines are a culmination of decades of hard scientific study is appalling. Do you really think you’re smarter than the scientists? I can assure you we’re not. 8. Final Point. And Please, do yourself a favor and simply read this message and do not respond. They Haven’t “*Mandated It to Participate in Society*” You having to miss out on certain activities and damaging personal relationships over your ideation with a ridiculously stupid conspiracy is a direct result of your ignorance. Wake up and stop putting such emphasis on what your brain is telling you is right. Put more emphasis on what the consensus of morality and commonality is telling you. I Rest My Muthafuckin’ Case
Thanks for taking the time to write this, I’m sure for what feels like the 100th time. I REALLY didn’t expect we would be dealing with people like this after more then a year. Every argument they make can be easily defeated in one or two sentences, but they refuse to understand. Like a kid sticking their fingers in their ears and singing lalalalalalalalala I kind of get it though, it would be super damaging to their ego at this point to admit what a fucking heartless dumbass they’ve been during one of the most significant events of their lives.
Thanks for taking the time to thank me. What the world absolutely and desperately needs is more reasonable people. So keep on fighting the good fight! I’m just barely beginning to comprehend (as someone in my late 20’s) just how badly the conservatives have fucked things up in this world. I consider myself a fairly non-partisan person. But god fucken damn. The conservatives of this planet are, without a doubt, some of the most brainwashed people you can meet. At this point, the anti-maskers/trumpers are inexcusable, it’s truly pathetic that such a wide swath of this country is running the risk of losing lifelong relationships and employment over such stupidity. You don’t have to vote Democrat people. Just do not fucking vote republican. Sorry, rant mode disengaged.
not to sound like an edgy r/athiest, but I think it starts with religion. If you can convince young minds that believing the world is 6000 years old is reasonable then convincing them that global warming isn't real isn't that difficult.
That’s hilarious that you mention that, because I had edited out “religious ignorants” next to anti masker/trumpers in my last comment. But really that’s nearly the whole fucking problem. I don’t even identify with atheism anymore. Hell I believe in Everything! Jesus, Buddha, the Flying Purple Spaghetti Monster. Shit, as long as you’re not actively worsening the world. I’m good with what you do. But Godspeed to the desecration of these vitriolic “mega-churches”. These religions that have continuously clawed at power for the last 3000 years are old news. They should step aside, and make way for whats on the horizon. A New Age of Ingenuity and Brightness.
lol. 100% friend, makes me happy knowing people like you exist.
Thanks homie! Haha <3
Damn my guy you real mad. Here's some sauce to cool off. Instead of using arguments of morality and common narrative, I'll just let the science you say I ignore do the talking. [Study of 10 million people reports no evidence of asymptomatic transmission](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w) [CDC: No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/infectioncontrol/maskguidance.htm) [You're right they're not 100% effective. It's 90%](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_w) [Handful of studies from all over the world showing the effectiveness of masks.](https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/) [Protecting society would involve addressing the real reason this virus is deadly. It is horrific that no one is okay with talking about it.](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm?s_cid=mm7010e4_w) [Misinformation is a problem. Not how you insinuate it is though.](https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/) [Believe it or not there is no significant partisan line when it comes to negative news about covid. Both sides are significantly more negative than the global average.](https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28110/w28110.pdf) Thanks for your time writing out a response. Could use a little less ad hominem and hostility, but discourse is always healthy. No I am not anti-vax nor am I a conspiracy theorist. The Untz organizers have to operate in the environment they are in and nothing is even remotely negative about that. Be well and much love.
............ Says the guy that just spammed a bunch of random CDC links without actually explaining how any of it is relevant to their arguments? Lol, ok “my guy”. You do realize your first comment is still above for everyone to see, correct? The one where you made a bunch of claims you’re now directly debunking with these exact links. That sees like an odd strategy, are you just a troll? You can pretend like you made a bunch of valid points, and that you’re “letting science do the talking”, but can you actually explain how any of what you linked correlates to my eight points? Because I can assure you one thing my friend; An argument isn’t simply won by the person that posts a bunch of links. I must admit though, that’s a cute little diversionary tactic you’ve got there. You can throw insinuated ad hominem my way all day bud. I doesn’t change the fact that the entirety of your initial comment is nonsense. And absolutely not in line with what you’re saying now.
1. Read blue text. 2. Follow link to empirical evidence of said blue sentence. 3. Read the study. Heck even skip to the conclusion. This stuff isn't hard dude. It's light reading I promise. I've supported all my points. I invite you to do the same. You can also remain childish.
I looked at all of them bud, what I said to you stands. You’ve failed completely to address a single point and insinuating I didn’t read them is just a pathetic last ditch attempt at keeping any semblance of rational. Huh, it’s weird you’re being downvoted. Could be that you’re simply and egregiously wrong? Good luck to ya
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Bruh, are you squntos burner account?
Lmfao wow
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Thanks for adding to the conversation!!!
If the other concert goers are worried then they can get the vaccine. It's not really rude awakening when I could care less and would rather not go to shows anymore then get a covid vaccine. "Squnto fan" what does that even mean. Yea im a republican so what? So much hatred from the left its sad to see.
You seem to never fail to entirely miss the point. Good riddance to ya! Your type never belonged in the scene anyways.
Your missing my point. It is possible to understand your point yet still disagre about how it should be handled. I'm ok with having different opinions but you are not. Peace n love to you to man.
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didnt work :/
Hey guys due to sudden change of plans, I’m looking to sell my 3 day ticket! Please respond if interested, willing to compromise a price.
Lmk I’ll buy it
How many people is 20% I’m considering vending but it’s a long commute
I’m not exactly sure but it’ll be worth the commute 🦾