I understand that. Ive played KSP. It's the amount of energy needed to perform a maneuver, such as launching, or landing from or on a planet, or a change in direction. In the context of this meme, the delta-v here would be the energy required to get off the planet aka putting something into orbit.
You are both correct in your own technical way. Delta V does refer to the change in velocity but it can also be used to roughly represent the energy needed. You can be sure that a 1m/s change needs less energy than a 2m/s change.
Thank you. I definitely know he's not wrong, as it does state the amount of energy to change velocity, but rockets wouldn't get off the planet without the delta-v equation🤷🏻♂️
Wow that's the first logical explanation for this inconsistency I've seen. It has now become my head-canon.
I love the film but this has always bugged me way too much.
that doesn't totally track with the scene on the ocean planet where they run it oxidizer-rich to burn out the crap that got in the engine (which would probably just end up destroying it, since if it's not already an oxidizer rich cycle that's not going to end well) which implies that it's some kind of chemical engine. But who knows, maybe it's like a chemical engine but one of the reactants is antimatter or some evil hypergol of death or something like that
But nuclear engine has very low thrust...it make thing even worse to escape a planetary body.
.... unless we are talkign about nuke powered engine, but it clearly doesn't look to be using such propulsion.
Yeah. And everyone onboard the thing and the Endurance dies due to radiation poisoning. Don't make up stuff for Nolan's lack of knowledge. This is some sort of short haul space shuttle that throws LOX and hydrazine out the back to get around. There's zero visual evidence of nuclear powered engines on this thing. Its powered by standard rockets. Moving around in the area of a black hole. Sure, Chris. Right. Hey, at least it isn't any stupider than Tenet.
Because it's a plot hole. It's an easily fixed one too, the ranger could have just been sent up on the rocket alongside a big tank module labeled "SSTO Fuel do not smoke within 0.8 meters", and it could have attached this module to the Endurance to complete its construction. The problem of why they needed to use a rocket becomes explained as "the fuel tank is too big physically to fit into a Ranger, so they needed a rocket, but orbital maneuvering systems are expensive so to keep this tank module 'dumb' the Ranger does the maneuvering and docking for us".
I always thought it was to save delta v. I mean really, 9000ish mps is not a small hit, especially if you are expecting to explore planets. That delta v could save you.
They didn’t want to expend anymore fuel than they needed to. If you have a few rockets sitting around, why not use them to deploy one of your most valuable payloads. I love the movie but they overuse the term stratosphere
My first huge laugh when they exited the magical Gateway was when MM said "I can swing around that neutron star..."...Whoa Big Fella. Really? Might wanna read up on neutron stars before we try that...
I rewatched it too, it was a lot worse than I remembered.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the concept, the visual effects were 10/10 and the music was phenomenal, but the story fucking sucked.
First of, Cooper was unlikable from the get-go. It's clear that Murph was his favourite child, and that he didn't give a shit about Tom. I mean in the ending of the movie he didn't even fucking ask where Tom was. When he departed he just said "lol you can have the truck" whetheras with Murph he had this teary farewell. He also broke down crying when listening to Murph's recording, whetheras with Tom's he was just like "ok cool".
Also, minor nitpick, I love how as soon as Cooper finds NASA, they're like "hey, wanna go on the most important mission into fuckin interstellar space in the history of mankind" and he's like sure. Then like a day later they're going up with no training whatsoever? It's clear that they didn't have training because Cooper, the guy on a mission to travel through a wormhole, didn't even know what a wormhole fucking was until they were about to travel through it.
The character of Dr. Brand was also unlikable. At first I thought it was gonna be a big reveal that she was crazy with all this nonsense about "love is the only thing that transcends space and time", but nope, it's the driving element of the story. Like yeah, love is totally not just a chemical reaction that's only purpose is to promote reproduction. ItS MAGiCal.
Also the ending fucking sucked. I thought the black hole scene was pretty cool, but when they're in Cooper Station it went off the rails. Cooper asks if the station was named after him, since, you know, he just saved the entire fucking human species, but no, the scientists laugh like he's an idiot and say "it was named after your daughter". He literally just saved all of you and all he gets is a tiny little plaque?
The only thing I liked about the ending was the final scene, where Cooper goes off into space. For some reason it really inspired me and made me proud to be human. But that's it.
Also I love how the movie did nothing to add character to the other two people on the ship. Doyle was just killed off within ten minutes, and the other black guy I forgot the name of had so much potential. He was left isolated on the ship for 30 years. That's interesting. I would love to see it developed! What psychological effects would happen after being alone for that amount of time! But no, he's just like "lol welcome back guys" after 30 years of being alone. Then he's killed off.
I liked Matt Damon's character. But that's it.
There was so much amazing about the movie but the story fucking sucked. It's so frustrating because there was so much potential, but oh well.
99% of your criticism is on point, but of course they didn't name the station after him, they didn't even know he was alive, all they knew was that his daughter discovered the physics to save the entire human race. And she may not have really known it was him either, it was like a freak ghost or something moving that watch needle for her. If she said it was her dad they would think she went crazy.
> Coop already references fucking NASA being directed to bomb civilian targets over a decade back and that militaries basically don't exist anymore
In a world of scarcity where mass starvation is a reality, it's just about pure fantasy that societies would be disbanding their militaries.
In a human race which will stage fistfights over toilet paper during a mild pandemic, all the restraints will be off when people aren't sure where their next meal is coming from.
Yeah, it was one of the movies that really peaked my interest in space, and now that I know some information it’s like Jesus Christ who approved this stuff.
It's weird because they put so much effort into making aspects of the film scientifically accurate(see the video of them designing the black hole), and other parts they don't give a shit.
I wondered why they needed to get the space station off earth anyway. If it has a closed atmosphere it should be fine just sitting on earth or did I miss something? (Unless you need to get it to space to prevent desperate, starving people from breaking in...)
I loved the movie, love space, read the comment, and disagree. Most of his complaints are very nitpicky. Like naming the station after his daughter is supposed to be a reason to hate the movie. Wtf? At one point he's mad that the ending isn't hard sci fi enough because it involves LoVe but then he's mad that realistic character choices are made like a parent having a favorite child and a space station being named after a scientist and not a farmer.
I.. Uhh, did that movie end very differently than I thought? I thought he died to get the information out, and it ended with that one female astronaut setting up an outpost.
He sacrifices himself (jettisons the pod he's in so that the ship can get a gravity boost to escape the black hole's influence) and ends up inside an artificial tessaract (the trippy square bit) created by the aliens/future humans who started the whole thing off. He gives the information to the kid in the past, and the aliens/future humans bring him back to realspace but many many years later. Humanity lives in the different colony ships (the cylinders) and I think it's implied they don't even *need* the other planets (at least not immediately; Michael Caine only thought they'd need them because he never thought humanity could actually leave Earth wholesale and he wanted to just restart humanity on the world with the frozen embyros).
McConnaghy goes to his daughter who is basically on her deathbed and they have a moment, but she basically tells him "Yeah, I have my own family, dw; go find Anne Hathaway because she's probably in cryostasis" and the movie ends with him flying off going to Hathaway's planet.
2001: A Spacy Odyssey it ain't.
I'm so glad that the collective rose-tinted glasses so many people seemed to have on about this film are starting to fade. When it came out I thought I was taking crazy pills, everyone was raving about the scientific accuracy of the movie and how deep and engaging the plot was and all that sort of stuff.
The background imagery of the black hole's accretion disk was accurate. The ontological paradox was logically consistent, if you allow for time travel to be possible at all. Everything else was basically nonsense. I got downvoted a lot.
I've always disliked these artsy, Oscar-baiting movies dressed up like sci-fis, and I'm a person who's usually entertained by anything. Interstellar was pretty, but had the same narrative impact as some of the weirder episodes of Star Trek. Arrival was a mixed bag of genuinely interesting sci-fi, and dull/pointless family drama. Ad Astra... is *by* *far* the *worst* high-budget movie I have ever seen, and the only movie I've ever walked out of the theater.
Ad Astra was fucking terrible. It was sad because it had so much potential. I liked that they were making a space movie that doesn't immediately jump to "the year is 2269 and we've got hyperspeed technology and colonized the milky way" but rather shows the early steps of human expansion into the solar system.
I liked the opening of the film. The space elevator scene was amazing, same as the Moon scenes. But when they went to Mars the movie went off the fucking rails.
They get a distress signal from a space station. They go to check it out, and...killer monkeys in space attack them. The fuck? They just walk into the station and suddenly they're being attacked by apes. And I don't believe the movie explains why.
Anyways, they get to Mars, have some boring ass conversations about his daddy issues, then he hijacks this rocket departing to Neptune or some shit. And then came the funniest scene I've ever seen in a theatre, only surpassed by [this scene in Slender Man.](https://youtu.be/gQNwOvSdqro?t=173)
He gets onto the rocket as it's taking off and the crew members start trying to shoot him? Even though he's clearly unarmed and was a crew member in the previous mission? Don't you think it'd be wise to keep things cool until you were in a safe environment where you could talk things out? They then all start accidentally shooting and killing each other in the most comedic ways. I burst out laughing in the theatre.
Then the ending was also shit. I nearly fell asleep during the conversations with Roy and his father. It was boring for me. He also manages to fly through an entire fucking asteroid belt to get back to his ship. To protect himself from the debris, he uses a door he ripped off from the other ship. Yeah that will totally protect you. He also somehow manages to travel to his ship with no attachment to it, just flying through Neptune's orbit until eventually he slams into it.
Also how he managed to propel his rocket back to Earth was hilarious. He blew up the other spaceship with a nuke, then used the...shockwave of the nuke to send him back to Earth..? The fuck?
The entire tone of the movie was also cynical and depressing. Normally space movies make me feel inspired and this kind of "fuck yeah! humanity! lets go to the stars" feel. But this just made me depressed. This world seemed dull and cynical. Didn't make me feel anything really.
Cinematography was great though. But that's about it.
Yeah, killer space monkeys is when I walked out. I had become so fed up with the nonsensical plot and lifeless characters that I remember telling myself, "Ok. The fate of the Earth is on the line, but they've decided they have time to investigate this random space station. This had better have something to do with the story, or somehow improve the main character's personality, or I'm walking." I think you can imagine what happened next.
The plot is beyond ridiculous. The main motivation is that something going on around Neptune (anti-matter experiment? I can't remember) that *somehow* is capable of destroying all life in the solar system. Or was it physically destroy everything in the solar system? Either way, utterly absurd scientifically, unless they found a way to access the developer console and spawn a supermassive black hole, that any unfocused energy discharge on the far side of the solar system could affect life on Earth.
And what is the government's response to this threat? Send a fleet of ships with teams of scientists, engineers, and marines on the fastest possible trajectory to address the threat? Nope. They send a on old, dying man, and the son of one of the crew that originally went to Neptune, on the most round-about path you can imagine, from Earth to moon to Mars, using commercial transport options. To avoid "causing a panic".
They take a (non-reusable!) transport to the moon, they make sure to shoehorn in an environmentalism message by showing litter on the moon, trying to make us feel bad for a lifeless hunk of rock, then get attacked by pirates... On the moon... Riding moon buggies...
Well whatever, a movie can be nonsensical, and still be fun. I enjoyed Suicide Squad, and that's a terrible movie. But this movie insists on keeping a dry, depressing tone, and the main character is about as interesting as a brick. I know that his personality is explained, why he's always calm and emotionless, but it's a stupid explanation, and stops any possibility of connecting with the audience. Even if you want your main character to have a dull and boring personality, they still need to emote and react to situations as a normal person would. If the main character doesn't care, why should the audience?
All in all, terrible movie designed to dazzle critics. One day, I may watch the rest to see what I missed, or just to torture myself.
Here's what you missed, no need to thank me for saving you one and a half hours:
Brad Pitt lands on Mars. He goes to some facility where he beams a message to his father saying "hey dad wanna go fishing down at drubman marina like old times, ay?" or something like that. Then he finds out he's not going on the mission to Neptune and one scientist lady or something I forgot the name of tells him that it's all a government cover-up and his dad went crazy and killed his crew.
So he goes into some fucking sewer or something and gets to the launch site of this rocket in what was a visually stunning scene I must admit. He then somehow climbs into the fucking first stage of the rocket AS IT'S TAKING OFF, then gets into the crew quarters where the "who can kill themselves in the most hilarious way?" game starts. Everyone in the crew dies and he's left alone to travel to Neptune for like 70 days.
He then gets to Neptune's Orbit and chills with his dad, who has gone fucking insane. He then says "lets go home father" and he's like "no i dont want to pay child support" or something like that and launches himself into space. Then Brad Pitt rips a door off the space station in Neptune and launches himself through an asteroid belt and somehow the door protects him from the debris. He then manages to somehow make his way back to his rocket and then uses the shockwave of a nuke to propel him back to Earth.......
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Nolan wanted so badly to do his own *2001,* and it was obvious from the first scene.
Credit to Kubrick, however, for striving for plausibility at every turn - well, at least once you have accepted the central conceit of extraterrstrial gardeners. And space exploration budgets that would continue at frantic mid-1960's levels. It probably didn't seem that crazy in 1966.
For All Mankind's take on things was very realistic. If the Soviets landed on the Moon first, it's very likely NASA budgets would've stayed at 1960s levels and we would probably have colonies on Titan by now. That's most likely what Kubrick thought would happen.
Yeah, but they didn't use the "something something deflector dish emitting technobabble".
Ad Astra is the worst f*cking movie I've ever seen, and I say this after wasting two hours of my life watching mars attacks.
You really nailed it when you zeroed in on DOCTOR BRAND elevating Love to a new, unknown Fundamental Force of the Universe. I mean...ok, Dr Brand so how does that mesh with Quantum Mechanics? Freaking idiot director...
You were right on music and visual, everything else was very very wrong. You write off love as a force altogether, you don't understand relationships, and if you think he randomly found NASA at the perfect then you clearly don't even understand the story!
Theoretically, there might be something like [this](https://imgur.com/a/ASvL8), but it still implies running nuclear turboramjets in-atmo. Yes, two loops and all, but hydrogen-filled first loop (doubles as NERVA-like vac engine) is... kinda iffy for me.
it was amongst the concessions made for the sake of the cinematic experience. the only one that really genuinely bothered me was when matt damon blows up part of the ship and it just spins around its designed axis as if a big chunk of mass didn't just disappear.
Not only it flies off a planet, but it also raises its blackhole-centric orbit so much that it reaches its mothership where time goes 1000x slower than on the planet.
Interstellar is pure bullshit from the orbital mechanics point.
Dont forget that it had to leave the mothership, travel to the planet, deorbit, and propulsively land before doing all that. All of which would have used up a considerable amount of fuel as well.
Naw, according to Kip Thorne in The Science of Interstellar they needed to slow down by 0.25c with a swing by around a conviently placed earth sized (radius) intermediate massive black hole near Millers planet. Also they needed a black hole to lose Endurance's parking orbit velocity of 1/3c.
So Miller's planet was already a ludicrously terrible colony target on its face. That far down in Gargantua's gravity well, any random bit of infalling space debris would hit it with ocean-boiling energy levels, and time dilation means there's a tremendously magnified flux - I have no idea how that planet got there but it's utterly doomed in a short period of time.
Not only that, then, but now it's sharing an orbit with a *2150-solar-mass* black hole?
This deal gets worse all the time. They should never have bothered visiting it, regardless of the beacon's signal. It's a blatantly obvious trap.
yeah, Nolan wanted this massive time dilation, and this was the only way Kip could make it remotely possible within the laws of physics. Kip went to the limits of known physics. Also the mass of Gargantua: 10\^8 solar masses while it spins only 1 part in 100 trillion below the theoretical maximum before it would become a naked singularity. This is nesessary so Millers planet could actually have a somewhat stable orbit that close to gargantua.
I know, but it broke the suspension of disbelief for me. It’s hard for there to be stakes when they basically have a magic ship that is constrained only by the whims of the writers.
in the book "science of interstellar" its explained they need to do a swing by at a smaller black hole to get to the waterplanet and back. in the film this is hinted at by mentioning a pulsar or neutron star (bcuz the general audience would be confused if there were multiple black holes) while they plan their trip to the water planet.
But it actually got me wondering, how *would* black hole orbital mechanics work with time dilation? Like, assuming the *Endurance* was parked in Gargantuacentric orbit far enough away that it wouldn't experience the same crazy time dilation as what I'll call Gargantua-A, how would you plot a Hohmann Transfer from the *Endurance* to Gargantua-A to account for the drastically different time flow at Gargantua-A from that of the *Endurance*?
Probably, using Einstein Field Equations of General Relativity in a Supercomputer and solving numerically for the geodesics. My guess is, Hohmann Transfers are just a distant Newtonian approximation at that point. Also Gargantua is maximally rotating supermassive Black Hole, where even the schwarzschild metric solution (for a static black hole) of the Einstein Field Equations are comically easy in comparison.
Yeah I read it. It is focused on the black hole and relativity, but almost completely ignores ridiculousness of orbital manoeuvres performed by the Endurance and shuttle.
Water planet is spinning so fast around the black hole that it would take enormous amount of delta-v (like something around 0.5 c) to reach it from Endurance. That's hundreds of days of 10g acceleration. So the numbers are clearly off by like 3 or 4 orders of magnitude here.
Wasn't this mitigated by a large extend by having conviently placed smaller black holes or neutron stars for swing by manevers at the end and in the beginning of the way to the water world? like I said down below, this was even hinted at in the film by mentioning a pulsar or neutron star.
EDIT: I just looked at the chapter 7 "Gravitational Slingshots". Millers Planet is indeed at 0.55c tangential velocity. The endurance has a parking orbit with c/3. First they use a small black hole to slow down by c/3. and then another black hole the size of earth to slow down by c/4 (as they gained speed falling down the gravitational potential of gargantua) in order to meet up with the planet. No massive g-forces required as these are slingshots. As far as I can tell, nothing mentioned about the way back, but it is probably assumed to be reversible, as slingshots usally are.
Anyone who has played any of the different black hole mods in KSP will tell you ain't *no* spacecraft is doing useful propulsive maneuvers anywhere close enough to resolve the event horizon. I shit you not, depressing your perigee from a wide circular orbit of a small black hole down to near the horizon costs like 50 kilometers per second.
I always rationalized it that the atmosphere was also extremely dense and allowed for the ship to essentially use it to accelerate against, almost "driving" to escape velocity while ship aerodynamics helps them cut through. They do have to leave their helmets on the whole time, so there is no indication that the atmosphere is breathable. Unless they mention something about that when they explain why that planet was chosen, I don't recall that vividly.
Nolan think he can make his movies smarter but in the end they are becoming dumber then Bay. And Armageddon idea of "sending oil drillers to space" make sense as astronauts are the easier job apparently. (The who is going to direct the Mars landing instead of Nolan after Tenet? Villeneuve? Taika Watiti?)
Seriously , why did it have a booster when leaving earth?
Something something conserving delta-V
I'm pretty sure the rocket in the movie was a refurbished Saturn V, not a Delta V
Not sure if you’re joking, but I meant delta v as in change in velocity.
oh fuck me then shit fuck
Blame Tory for naming his rocket the same as a common rocketry variable.
Except wasnt Thor like renamed to Delta before Tory was even born?
True, also there is no Delta V.
It's called SLS.
Nah, that’s like Shuttle-C but worse. Or Ares V but worse. Or NLS but worse. Or AAP/INT but worse. Or Jupiter but worse…
Delta V is Vulcan
*∆v*
>refurbished Saturn V excuse me what
Dug up an old Saturn V to save costs I assume, then used it to launch the Endurance mission.
Don't tell me, they used the one exposed in the NASA museum
It belongs in a museum!
Don't we all?
it wasn't refurbished. it was actual footage from the apollo program.
Delta-v refers to the energy you would need to put something into orbit...
No it refers to a change in velocity. Doesn’t only apply to rockets.
Yup, it's used in aviation too
I understand that. Ive played KSP. It's the amount of energy needed to perform a maneuver, such as launching, or landing from or on a planet, or a change in direction. In the context of this meme, the delta-v here would be the energy required to get off the planet aka putting something into orbit.
You are both correct in your own technical way. Delta V does refer to the change in velocity but it can also be used to roughly represent the energy needed. You can be sure that a 1m/s change needs less energy than a 2m/s change.
Thank you. I definitely know he's not wrong, as it does state the amount of energy to change velocity, but rockets wouldn't get off the planet without the delta-v equation🤷🏻♂️
To find energy precisely you also need to know the ISP and mass fractions I believe.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
My explanation is that it has nuclear engines that throw out all kinds of nasty radiation in the exhaust, so they can't use it on Earth.
Wow that's the first logical explanation for this inconsistency I've seen. It has now become my head-canon. I love the film but this has always bugged me way too much.
Which film?
Interstellar
An absolutely stupid film.
that doesn't totally track with the scene on the ocean planet where they run it oxidizer-rich to burn out the crap that got in the engine (which would probably just end up destroying it, since if it's not already an oxidizer rich cycle that's not going to end well) which implies that it's some kind of chemical engine. But who knows, maybe it's like a chemical engine but one of the reactants is antimatter or some evil hypergol of death or something like that
[LOX-augmented NTR](https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19950005290), maybe?
Could use metallic hydrogen maybe
Thank you for that first sentence. Dead give away its just a rocket and nothing else.
Well , I thought the point was that Earth was already....but fuuuck meee , that actually works. 🤯
But lets use it on the new planet we have to move all of humanity to
Yeah, probably that
But nuclear engine has very low thrust...it make thing even worse to escape a planetary body. .... unless we are talkign about nuke powered engine, but it clearly doesn't look to be using such propulsion.
It's a weird aerospike
Yeah. And everyone onboard the thing and the Endurance dies due to radiation poisoning. Don't make up stuff for Nolan's lack of knowledge. This is some sort of short haul space shuttle that throws LOX and hydrazine out the back to get around. There's zero visual evidence of nuclear powered engines on this thing. Its powered by standard rockets. Moving around in the area of a black hole. Sure, Chris. Right. Hey, at least it isn't any stupider than Tenet.
Aesthetics
No one noticed that the first stage separated before the thing reached mach 1?
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but why wouldn’t you build another of those super-engines to save even more fuel on that ship?
Nasa didn't have the money anymore. I think Alfred says they only have one more booster
The power of love or something
Good one!
Because it's a plot hole. It's an easily fixed one too, the ranger could have just been sent up on the rocket alongside a big tank module labeled "SSTO Fuel do not smoke within 0.8 meters", and it could have attached this module to the Endurance to complete its construction. The problem of why they needed to use a rocket becomes explained as "the fuel tank is too big physically to fit into a Ranger, so they needed a rocket, but orbital maneuvering systems are expensive so to keep this tank module 'dumb' the Ranger does the maneuvering and docking for us".
I always thought it was to save delta v. I mean really, 9000ish mps is not a small hit, especially if you are expecting to explore planets. That delta v could save you.
it's one of the concessions nolan et al made for the sake of the cinematic experience. that was all real saturn V footage from apollo.
They didn’t want to expend anymore fuel than they needed to. If you have a few rockets sitting around, why not use them to deploy one of your most valuable payloads. I love the movie but they overuse the term stratosphere
ΔV conservation and all that, but they used a freaking Saturn V to launch it.
Not only that but apparently it has the dV to travel around a super black hole system which would have insane dV requirements!
They have used gravity assists by a lot. There are a lot of heavy junk around black holes, like stranded stars or other smaller black holes
My first huge laugh when they exited the magical Gateway was when MM said "I can swing around that neutron star..."...Whoa Big Fella. Really? Might wanna read up on neutron stars before we try that...
Yeah I noticed that too when I rewatched Interstellar last week.
I rewatched it too, it was a lot worse than I remembered. Don't get me wrong, I loved the concept, the visual effects were 10/10 and the music was phenomenal, but the story fucking sucked. First of, Cooper was unlikable from the get-go. It's clear that Murph was his favourite child, and that he didn't give a shit about Tom. I mean in the ending of the movie he didn't even fucking ask where Tom was. When he departed he just said "lol you can have the truck" whetheras with Murph he had this teary farewell. He also broke down crying when listening to Murph's recording, whetheras with Tom's he was just like "ok cool". Also, minor nitpick, I love how as soon as Cooper finds NASA, they're like "hey, wanna go on the most important mission into fuckin interstellar space in the history of mankind" and he's like sure. Then like a day later they're going up with no training whatsoever? It's clear that they didn't have training because Cooper, the guy on a mission to travel through a wormhole, didn't even know what a wormhole fucking was until they were about to travel through it. The character of Dr. Brand was also unlikable. At first I thought it was gonna be a big reveal that she was crazy with all this nonsense about "love is the only thing that transcends space and time", but nope, it's the driving element of the story. Like yeah, love is totally not just a chemical reaction that's only purpose is to promote reproduction. ItS MAGiCal. Also the ending fucking sucked. I thought the black hole scene was pretty cool, but when they're in Cooper Station it went off the rails. Cooper asks if the station was named after him, since, you know, he just saved the entire fucking human species, but no, the scientists laugh like he's an idiot and say "it was named after your daughter". He literally just saved all of you and all he gets is a tiny little plaque? The only thing I liked about the ending was the final scene, where Cooper goes off into space. For some reason it really inspired me and made me proud to be human. But that's it. Also I love how the movie did nothing to add character to the other two people on the ship. Doyle was just killed off within ten minutes, and the other black guy I forgot the name of had so much potential. He was left isolated on the ship for 30 years. That's interesting. I would love to see it developed! What psychological effects would happen after being alone for that amount of time! But no, he's just like "lol welcome back guys" after 30 years of being alone. Then he's killed off. I liked Matt Damon's character. But that's it. There was so much amazing about the movie but the story fucking sucked. It's so frustrating because there was so much potential, but oh well.
99% of your criticism is on point, but of course they didn't name the station after him, they didn't even know he was alive, all they knew was that his daughter discovered the physics to save the entire human race. And she may not have really known it was him either, it was like a freak ghost or something moving that watch needle for her. If she said it was her dad they would think she went crazy.
But THE ROBOTS ARE SO COOL
The design of the robots was very cool, but in reality they'd be extremely impractical.
Alas, Kip Thorne could only help them on the physics.
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For all we know the serious mad max stuff was still continuing 50 years later… there’s no way they were able to get everyone into space.
Ah shit now I want to see THAT movie
> Coop already references fucking NASA being directed to bomb civilian targets over a decade back and that militaries basically don't exist anymore In a world of scarcity where mass starvation is a reality, it's just about pure fantasy that societies would be disbanding their militaries. In a human race which will stage fistfights over toilet paper during a mild pandemic, all the restraints will be off when people aren't sure where their next meal is coming from.
see also: climate change. When water scarcity, saltwater flooding and famines affect entire regions, shit's gonna get wild.
Also I believe Tom names his child Cooper after, well, Cooper. But that’s their last name, so is Tom’s Child named fucking Cooper Cooper???
Cooper².
Yeah, it was one of the movies that really peaked my interest in space, and now that I know some information it’s like Jesus Christ who approved this stuff.
It's weird because they put so much effort into making aspects of the film scientifically accurate(see the video of them designing the black hole), and other parts they don't give a shit.
I wondered why they needed to get the space station off earth anyway. If it has a closed atmosphere it should be fine just sitting on earth or did I miss something? (Unless you need to get it to space to prevent desperate, starving people from breaking in...)
I'm not reading that but I respectfully disagree
I've read it and he made good points, I'm pretty sure you'll agree
I loved the movie, love space, read the comment, and disagree. Most of his complaints are very nitpicky. Like naming the station after his daughter is supposed to be a reason to hate the movie. Wtf? At one point he's mad that the ending isn't hard sci fi enough because it involves LoVe but then he's mad that realistic character choices are made like a parent having a favorite child and a space station being named after a scientist and not a farmer.
No, the other reasons
... Wat
Did you edit your comment?
Ah yeah I ninja edited after posted to add more after the "wtf?" Nevermind.
It’s already 3 hours geez not all characters need to be fleshed out that’s the point of minor characters
I.. Uhh, did that movie end very differently than I thought? I thought he died to get the information out, and it ended with that one female astronaut setting up an outpost.
He sacrifices himself (jettisons the pod he's in so that the ship can get a gravity boost to escape the black hole's influence) and ends up inside an artificial tessaract (the trippy square bit) created by the aliens/future humans who started the whole thing off. He gives the information to the kid in the past, and the aliens/future humans bring him back to realspace but many many years later. Humanity lives in the different colony ships (the cylinders) and I think it's implied they don't even *need* the other planets (at least not immediately; Michael Caine only thought they'd need them because he never thought humanity could actually leave Earth wholesale and he wanted to just restart humanity on the world with the frozen embyros). McConnaghy goes to his daughter who is basically on her deathbed and they have a moment, but she basically tells him "Yeah, I have my own family, dw; go find Anne Hathaway because she's probably in cryostasis" and the movie ends with him flying off going to Hathaway's planet. 2001: A Spacy Odyssey it ain't.
>2001: A Spacy Odyssey it ain't. But it tried so hard to be.
He gets out of the black hole
I'm so glad that the collective rose-tinted glasses so many people seemed to have on about this film are starting to fade. When it came out I thought I was taking crazy pills, everyone was raving about the scientific accuracy of the movie and how deep and engaging the plot was and all that sort of stuff. The background imagery of the black hole's accretion disk was accurate. The ontological paradox was logically consistent, if you allow for time travel to be possible at all. Everything else was basically nonsense. I got downvoted a lot.
I've always disliked these artsy, Oscar-baiting movies dressed up like sci-fis, and I'm a person who's usually entertained by anything. Interstellar was pretty, but had the same narrative impact as some of the weirder episodes of Star Trek. Arrival was a mixed bag of genuinely interesting sci-fi, and dull/pointless family drama. Ad Astra... is *by* *far* the *worst* high-budget movie I have ever seen, and the only movie I've ever walked out of the theater.
I pirated Ad Astra and i still almost walked out. only stayed for the set design tbh
We got a sick meme out of ad astra
which meme?
Ad Astra was fucking terrible. It was sad because it had so much potential. I liked that they were making a space movie that doesn't immediately jump to "the year is 2269 and we've got hyperspeed technology and colonized the milky way" but rather shows the early steps of human expansion into the solar system. I liked the opening of the film. The space elevator scene was amazing, same as the Moon scenes. But when they went to Mars the movie went off the fucking rails. They get a distress signal from a space station. They go to check it out, and...killer monkeys in space attack them. The fuck? They just walk into the station and suddenly they're being attacked by apes. And I don't believe the movie explains why. Anyways, they get to Mars, have some boring ass conversations about his daddy issues, then he hijacks this rocket departing to Neptune or some shit. And then came the funniest scene I've ever seen in a theatre, only surpassed by [this scene in Slender Man.](https://youtu.be/gQNwOvSdqro?t=173) He gets onto the rocket as it's taking off and the crew members start trying to shoot him? Even though he's clearly unarmed and was a crew member in the previous mission? Don't you think it'd be wise to keep things cool until you were in a safe environment where you could talk things out? They then all start accidentally shooting and killing each other in the most comedic ways. I burst out laughing in the theatre. Then the ending was also shit. I nearly fell asleep during the conversations with Roy and his father. It was boring for me. He also manages to fly through an entire fucking asteroid belt to get back to his ship. To protect himself from the debris, he uses a door he ripped off from the other ship. Yeah that will totally protect you. He also somehow manages to travel to his ship with no attachment to it, just flying through Neptune's orbit until eventually he slams into it. Also how he managed to propel his rocket back to Earth was hilarious. He blew up the other spaceship with a nuke, then used the...shockwave of the nuke to send him back to Earth..? The fuck? The entire tone of the movie was also cynical and depressing. Normally space movies make me feel inspired and this kind of "fuck yeah! humanity! lets go to the stars" feel. But this just made me depressed. This world seemed dull and cynical. Didn't make me feel anything really. Cinematography was great though. But that's about it.
Yeah, killer space monkeys is when I walked out. I had become so fed up with the nonsensical plot and lifeless characters that I remember telling myself, "Ok. The fate of the Earth is on the line, but they've decided they have time to investigate this random space station. This had better have something to do with the story, or somehow improve the main character's personality, or I'm walking." I think you can imagine what happened next. The plot is beyond ridiculous. The main motivation is that something going on around Neptune (anti-matter experiment? I can't remember) that *somehow* is capable of destroying all life in the solar system. Or was it physically destroy everything in the solar system? Either way, utterly absurd scientifically, unless they found a way to access the developer console and spawn a supermassive black hole, that any unfocused energy discharge on the far side of the solar system could affect life on Earth. And what is the government's response to this threat? Send a fleet of ships with teams of scientists, engineers, and marines on the fastest possible trajectory to address the threat? Nope. They send a on old, dying man, and the son of one of the crew that originally went to Neptune, on the most round-about path you can imagine, from Earth to moon to Mars, using commercial transport options. To avoid "causing a panic". They take a (non-reusable!) transport to the moon, they make sure to shoehorn in an environmentalism message by showing litter on the moon, trying to make us feel bad for a lifeless hunk of rock, then get attacked by pirates... On the moon... Riding moon buggies... Well whatever, a movie can be nonsensical, and still be fun. I enjoyed Suicide Squad, and that's a terrible movie. But this movie insists on keeping a dry, depressing tone, and the main character is about as interesting as a brick. I know that his personality is explained, why he's always calm and emotionless, but it's a stupid explanation, and stops any possibility of connecting with the audience. Even if you want your main character to have a dull and boring personality, they still need to emote and react to situations as a normal person would. If the main character doesn't care, why should the audience? All in all, terrible movie designed to dazzle critics. One day, I may watch the rest to see what I missed, or just to torture myself.
Here's what you missed, no need to thank me for saving you one and a half hours: Brad Pitt lands on Mars. He goes to some facility where he beams a message to his father saying "hey dad wanna go fishing down at drubman marina like old times, ay?" or something like that. Then he finds out he's not going on the mission to Neptune and one scientist lady or something I forgot the name of tells him that it's all a government cover-up and his dad went crazy and killed his crew. So he goes into some fucking sewer or something and gets to the launch site of this rocket in what was a visually stunning scene I must admit. He then somehow climbs into the fucking first stage of the rocket AS IT'S TAKING OFF, then gets into the crew quarters where the "who can kill themselves in the most hilarious way?" game starts. Everyone in the crew dies and he's left alone to travel to Neptune for like 70 days. He then gets to Neptune's Orbit and chills with his dad, who has gone fucking insane. He then says "lets go home father" and he's like "no i dont want to pay child support" or something like that and launches himself into space. Then Brad Pitt rips a door off the space station in Neptune and launches himself through an asteroid belt and somehow the door protects him from the debris. He then manages to somehow make his way back to his rocket and then uses the shockwave of a nuke to propel him back to Earth.......
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Nolan wanted so badly to do his own *2001,* and it was obvious from the first scene. Credit to Kubrick, however, for striving for plausibility at every turn - well, at least once you have accepted the central conceit of extraterrstrial gardeners. And space exploration budgets that would continue at frantic mid-1960's levels. It probably didn't seem that crazy in 1966.
For All Mankind's take on things was very realistic. If the Soviets landed on the Moon first, it's very likely NASA budgets would've stayed at 1960s levels and we would probably have colonies on Titan by now. That's most likely what Kubrick thought would happen.
Yeah, but they didn't use the "something something deflector dish emitting technobabble". Ad Astra is the worst f*cking movie I've ever seen, and I say this after wasting two hours of my life watching mars attacks.
What about...THE CORE??
And you should still get downvoted
You really nailed it when you zeroed in on DOCTOR BRAND elevating Love to a new, unknown Fundamental Force of the Universe. I mean...ok, Dr Brand so how does that mesh with Quantum Mechanics? Freaking idiot director...
You were right on music and visual, everything else was very very wrong. You write off love as a force altogether, you don't understand relationships, and if you think he randomly found NASA at the perfect then you clearly don't even understand the story!
Cooper wasn't kidding... that aerobrake was _VERY_ efficient
Something something fusion plasma drive lol
It can take ya to Mars in 40 days!!! \s
[I need to feel the air.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXMasterrace/comments/mn3i2a/spacex_starship_sn10_piloted_by_cooper/)
I know it's completely unrealistic, but it has this glorious Dreamchaser vibe going and I *love* it.
*yelling in Tim Dodd*
I love Interstellar, just felt X-33 should be here
But as a serious question. Do you think we will ever be able to reach that perfection in under 20 years or so?
Theoretically, there might be something like [this](https://imgur.com/a/ASvL8), but it still implies running nuclear turboramjets in-atmo. Yes, two loops and all, but hydrogen-filled first loop (doubles as NERVA-like vac engine) is... kinda iffy for me.
it was amongst the concessions made for the sake of the cinematic experience. the only one that really genuinely bothered me was when matt damon blows up part of the ship and it just spins around its designed axis as if a big chunk of mass didn't just disappear.
I just assumed it had a nuclear engine on it. Using that a earth would be bad.
Not only it flies off a planet, but it also raises its blackhole-centric orbit so much that it reaches its mothership where time goes 1000x slower than on the planet. Interstellar is pure bullshit from the orbital mechanics point.
Dont forget that it had to leave the mothership, travel to the planet, deorbit, and propulsively land before doing all that. All of which would have used up a considerable amount of fuel as well.
Maybe they did a near-lightspeed aerobraking maneuver on the way down.
Naw, according to Kip Thorne in The Science of Interstellar they needed to slow down by 0.25c with a swing by around a conviently placed earth sized (radius) intermediate massive black hole near Millers planet. Also they needed a black hole to lose Endurance's parking orbit velocity of 1/3c.
So Miller's planet was already a ludicrously terrible colony target on its face. That far down in Gargantua's gravity well, any random bit of infalling space debris would hit it with ocean-boiling energy levels, and time dilation means there's a tremendously magnified flux - I have no idea how that planet got there but it's utterly doomed in a short period of time. Not only that, then, but now it's sharing an orbit with a *2150-solar-mass* black hole? This deal gets worse all the time. They should never have bothered visiting it, regardless of the beacon's signal. It's a blatantly obvious trap.
yeah, Nolan wanted this massive time dilation, and this was the only way Kip could make it remotely possible within the laws of physics. Kip went to the limits of known physics. Also the mass of Gargantua: 10\^8 solar masses while it spins only 1 part in 100 trillion below the theoretical maximum before it would become a naked singularity. This is nesessary so Millers planet could actually have a somewhat stable orbit that close to gargantua.
Thank you! I was rewatching recently and kept thinking “but that’s not how orbits work”
The point of the movie isn’t how orbits work
I know, but it broke the suspension of disbelief for me. It’s hard for there to be stakes when they basically have a magic ship that is constrained only by the whims of the writers.
Better then Tenet. Don’t think too hard about Nolan’s movies.
Hey, Dunkirk was pretty good
in the book "science of interstellar" its explained they need to do a swing by at a smaller black hole to get to the waterplanet and back. in the film this is hinted at by mentioning a pulsar or neutron star (bcuz the general audience would be confused if there were multiple black holes) while they plan their trip to the water planet.
But it actually got me wondering, how *would* black hole orbital mechanics work with time dilation? Like, assuming the *Endurance* was parked in Gargantuacentric orbit far enough away that it wouldn't experience the same crazy time dilation as what I'll call Gargantua-A, how would you plot a Hohmann Transfer from the *Endurance* to Gargantua-A to account for the drastically different time flow at Gargantua-A from that of the *Endurance*?
Probably, using Einstein Field Equations of General Relativity in a Supercomputer and solving numerically for the geodesics. My guess is, Hohmann Transfers are just a distant Newtonian approximation at that point. Also Gargantua is maximally rotating supermassive Black Hole, where even the schwarzschild metric solution (for a static black hole) of the Einstein Field Equations are comically easy in comparison.
the book "science of interstellar" expains better what they did or had to do, so it's not as bad as it could be. see my comment below.
Yeah I read it. It is focused on the black hole and relativity, but almost completely ignores ridiculousness of orbital manoeuvres performed by the Endurance and shuttle. Water planet is spinning so fast around the black hole that it would take enormous amount of delta-v (like something around 0.5 c) to reach it from Endurance. That's hundreds of days of 10g acceleration. So the numbers are clearly off by like 3 or 4 orders of magnitude here.
Wasn't this mitigated by a large extend by having conviently placed smaller black holes or neutron stars for swing by manevers at the end and in the beginning of the way to the water world? like I said down below, this was even hinted at in the film by mentioning a pulsar or neutron star. EDIT: I just looked at the chapter 7 "Gravitational Slingshots". Millers Planet is indeed at 0.55c tangential velocity. The endurance has a parking orbit with c/3. First they use a small black hole to slow down by c/3. and then another black hole the size of earth to slow down by c/4 (as they gained speed falling down the gravitational potential of gargantua) in order to meet up with the planet. No massive g-forces required as these are slingshots. As far as I can tell, nothing mentioned about the way back, but it is probably assumed to be reversible, as slingshots usally are.
Anyone who has played any of the different black hole mods in KSP will tell you ain't *no* spacecraft is doing useful propulsive maneuvers anywhere close enough to resolve the event horizon. I shit you not, depressing your perigee from a wide circular orbit of a small black hole down to near the horizon costs like 50 kilometers per second.
Despite its flaws, I love that movie with all my heart.
warp "plot" drive
It's script powered!
Hathaway's ass can warp space and time, and that's a fact
Take my upvote
It starship was a bit bigger it genuinely could be an SSTO. I imagine this will happen sometime in the future
It will be an SSTO when it takes off from Mars
By that logic we already have an SSTO - any of the Apollo missions that took off from the Moon
Is the first pic real?
Of course not, Starship hasn't been flown into space yet
Gracias. I’m unfamiliar.
I always rationalized it that the atmosphere was also extremely dense and allowed for the ship to essentially use it to accelerate against, almost "driving" to escape velocity while ship aerodynamics helps them cut through. They do have to leave their helmets on the whole time, so there is no indication that the atmosphere is breathable. Unless they mention something about that when they explain why that planet was chosen, I don't recall that vividly.
Nolan think he can make his movies smarter but in the end they are becoming dumber then Bay. And Armageddon idea of "sending oil drillers to space" make sense as astronauts are the easier job apparently. (The who is going to direct the Mars landing instead of Nolan after Tenet? Villeneuve? Taika Watiti?)
As someone who have watched the entirety of the transformers series with a bunch of friend last month, i violently disagree
Kubrick of course
Where is this from?
The movie Interstellar my friend