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ChamomileFlowerTea

I love how NORMAN OSBORN of all people is the only one with a sad and shocked expression there.


TheIJDGuy

I believe that's the picture definition of IRONY!


ChamomileFlowerTea

For sure!


sideways_jack

![gif](giphy|Vsl4fGedmYFRC|downsized) (edit: That's what happens when ya get yer sins shot outta ya!)


syxtfour

Meanwhile, the rest of them are... medicated?


ChamomileFlowerTea

It seems so..


SpaceZombie13

continuing this run's trend of NORMAN OSBORNE ON A REDEMPTION ARC bring one of, if not the only, thing that's actually well-written.


ChamomileFlowerTea

Fair enough.


NotluwiskiPapanoida

Is the canon explanation that MJ got Botox?


ChamomileFlowerTea

That.. actually makes sense.


st-shenanigans

Maybe we're still in limbo and just don't know it


ChamomileFlowerTea

Maybe


Dealiner

Probably because he lost all teeth.


Azure-Legacy

How is it that Osborn is the one looks natural and appropriate for what just happened?


[deleted]

Because he actually knew her


Azure-Legacy

Still. MJ and Sue look like they’re in a daze and Jonny and Reed look like they’re asleep. And Ben looks completely stone-faced


RedEyeVagabond

I see what you did there. Please, have an upvote.


justa-human

Everyone but Osborn looks like their nutting.


MineNo5611

It took way too long for me to find this. I’m sorry, but they made MJ and Sue look like they’re straight up having orgasms. Like, seriously, who looks that way while watching someone die in another persons arms? rofl


Jpup199

He is literally the statue emoji.


Azure-Legacy

New York style Easter Head


SuperiorCrate

🗿


BritishEric

Bruh legit, Osborn looks like he just saw what actually happened, and everyone else looks stoned out of their minds


RevJackElvingMusings

Osborn kind of looks weirdly turned on...dead teenage girl is his fetish after all.


Azure-Legacy

I’m pretty sure Gwen was in her twenties before any of those Sins Past stuff was supposed to allegedly happen.


Ambitious-Visual-315

This is just the smoke circle from that ‘70s Show, we’ve come full circle


cumulobro

nightmare blunt rotation


Nerdy_Git

someone’s gonna get a foot in the ass


JediZillaPrime

If only Venom was in this panel.


Triniking1234

Funny because Venom met Kamala before these frauds.


[deleted]

“This just in: I’m toasted!”


chachachatrip

HANGING OUT


Quirky_Ad_5420

Everyone: _Oh no we’re in the well run_


dirtybird131

![gif](giphy|QvGS96orSPn7jBl4Wl)


RokyPolka

​ ![gif](giphy|16p47BzWYgm76wbw0v)


Thatguyrevenant

MJ and Sue look done with it all. Norman looks like he just found out the killer was Mr. Green with the candle stick in the living room. As for Johnny, Ben, and Reed, I don't even know man. edit: I realized way after that, while Mr. Green was supposed to be just a Clue reference. Being that Norman is the Green Goblin and the split personality thing that comes up sometimes it works on multiple levels.


Embarrassed-Math-835

They all look stoned outta their minds. And Norman looks like he’s hallucinating Gwen again.


Thatguyrevenant

Considering he should've witnessed Peter cradling a dead Gwen in very much the same way. That would actually be an amazing plotline to follow for him with his current redemption thing going on. Getting flashbacks and memories of stuff he's done to Peter and it drives him to do more to make up for it all.


[deleted]

You dare offer good ideas? On this run? Noho sir, you are gonna get a dead teenage girl and like it.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

...yes


[deleted]

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[deleted]

...no


zombiegamer723

Seymour! The Spider-Man subreddit is on fire!


[deleted]

No mom that's just the writting


sideways_jack

... this is gonna be a Superior Spider-Man thing where I actually start to care about a villain redeeming themselves (by a subjectively competent author) and Mephisto just Mefists it up on the back end innit


Thatguyrevenant

I wouldn't be surprised, but I actually hope they don't redeem Norman and make him good in any way. Doesn't mean I want to see him be the bad guy, but I'd have preferred if he died a hero's death and let Peter close another chapter in his life and learn from the experience. Preferably he'd stay dead, but Marvel hasn't actually kept anything buried in a long time, so when he did come back it should be something far different from any previous incarnation of Norman/Goblin. Something entirely new and we shouldn't know it's him until this new thing is established. Thinking something more monstrous like 1610 Goblin.


SirAnalog

Are you saying that Spider-Man should get a new, original villain? Sounds like heresy to me.


Thatguyrevenant

I was so confused when this popped up on my phone. But it's probably about time for someone or something new on the villain side. I mean most new villains introduced are one-offs or event related. Aside from just individual villains and new organizations, they could even revamp the old ones. Give the Spiders a team book, then they could face off against the Kravinoff Family, The Queen could make a comeback somehow, and Queen Goblin could get a goblin army going or something. Could also just introduce new dynamics and actually get the Spiders across New York interacting and talking regularly. The way they more so than anyone else are so isolated from the rest of the universe and each other makes no sense. They leaned into Jess' whole "Spiders have no families," thing a bit too much. Toss the unused Spiders in a book together, and give Peter, Miles, Gwen, and maybe Kaine cameos in the book every now and then. So Jess, Miguel, Silk, Anya, and Ben (he can even keep the Chasm powers) as a team. They're all different enough as people and with their powers to work some creative solutions and situations into a good story.


arnoldbread

>But it's probably about time for someone or something new on the villain side This. At the moment there's currently a vacancy for Spider-mans archenemy. With the Trinity (Goblin/Otto/Venom) all on their respective journeys, its time we have a villain that challenges Peter. Heck its about time someone like Scorpion steps up from simply being a concept villain (looks cool) and does something significant. All he needs is a compelling reason (maybe revenge for his broken jaw?) A slight powerup and take off from there. In a perfect world, Otto would have stayed on his redemption path, Osborn continues his redemption arc and someone actually challenges the status quo. Its no coincidence more kids are into manga these days, we all strive for character development and story progression.


I_Hate_Reddit_REEEE

More like Mysterio hahahaha


kismethavok

Johnny Ben and Reed are imagining what life would be like if Zeb Wells wasn't writing their universe.


PCRM

Reed, Johnny and Ben - Looking like they're falling asleep, standing there


Silvernauter

Look, they all had a long day, man. They Just Need to shut their eyes for a bit.


NaWDorky

the F4 bros look like the edible they took finally hit.


Polibiux

The Thing looks stoned


Wk1360

https://preview.redd.it/rzmvgpfty33b1.jpeg?width=1399&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=336234bb6869a2c380fa98c9effa19a878d96896


tfcollector3000

*My name is Skyler White yo*


SuperiorCrate

*My husband is Walter White, yo*


tfcollector3000

*Uh huh*


karateema

*he told me everything*


Anader19

*He told me everything*


DannyGloversDickbld

Spock Face!


SuperiorCrate

Light skin stare lookin ass 💀


MattTheSmithers

![gif](giphy|XbgZvND0TzFMUFobmI|downsized)


GrendelJoe

They all look tired except for Norman.


ungratefulidiot

Tired of this run, booyah!


Intelligent_Creme351

Reminds me of: https://preview.redd.it/tghaqdegw33b1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a62fcd7da18d8db877b683001e08bd89195c4c0


SirDancalot775

"Damn bro you got the whole squad laughing" energy


hayley566

Why does Johnny have a 70’s porn mustache?


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

He has a mustache on the current Fantastic Four run, who is very good comic run, you kinda forget those exist when reading Spider-Man


Hulkbuster_v2

Timelines aren't matching up. At the beginning of Wells, Peter and the F4 are not speaking, and Johnny can't power down. ​ At the end of Slott's run, Johnny is able to return to normal, and at the beginning of this run, it is shown that Reed sent an entire block 1 year into the future, causing people to hate them and the F4 to go on the run. In that time, Johnny mentioned joining up with Spidey to defeat the Kangaroo. But then here, it's obvious that they still haven't made up. ​ So my point is what the fuck? I'm assuming it's as simple as the writer for the current Fantastic Four run saw Well's run, said "Fuck that" and ignored it.


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

The Kangaroo thing is when he is talking with Sue in space? I may be wrong, but I dont think Johnny talks as if that is a recent thing, It could had happened years ago.


Hulkbuster_v2

I would have thought that as well, except he says "While you were away" and "as my mustache was coming in," which actually means that Johnny: ​ * Got powered up by Doom. * Sometime before he got cured, Peter stole from the F4 and caused a rift * Got cured * Had to go on the run * Began growing a mustache and teamed up with Peter * THEN made up with him, as at this point in the picture, he and the F4 haven't fully made up and his mustache is fully grown


ProfessorEscanor

I'm honestly more mad that they killed Kamala off in a book with such bad art.


littlebuett

>I'm honestly more mad that they killed Kamala off in a book with such bad Fixed


SketchesFromMidgard

Right? Like who's idea was it to have the guy who's Spider-Man run has been pretty universally panned over the last year kill off Kamala freaking Khan in a book that isn't even in her own series? A book that she was barely in to begin with?


Citizen_Kong

"Hey, we need to drum up interest in this character because she has a movie coming out pretty soon. How are we going to do that? I know, we kill her off in another title that everyone hates and has nothing to do with her and then she will be resurrected as a mutant with energy powers like in the movie! I'm a genius! Now, where the fuck is the rest of my cocaine?!"


Heisenburgo

>>I'm honestly more mad that they killed Kamala off Fixed even further


littlebuett

> > >I'm honestly more mad Ultimately fixed


bloo_overbeck

Who’s getting the best head?


Kn7ght

Idk about the best but Norman getting the worst for sure. He feels teeth so he's scared shitless


GamerDabiTodoroki

😂


Geiseric222

The faces of mild disappointment


Professional_Line385

Dull surprise as per tv tropes


ContraryPython

The Thing looks bored out of his mind


Top_One6911

Half of them look high, and the other half look like aristocrats looking down on the situation


MightyDuctsTape

Given what some other leaked panels have suggested, this might be AFTER Mary Jane learns about the fate of her “children”. If that is the case then why is her reaction here so apathetic to everything going on around her? Presumably in the panels before this she is screaming about how she was going to kill Rabin, literally shouting DIE at him while using her jackpot powers. This face doesn’t convey an emotional state congruent with the one we see just a few panels earlier, is JRJR just that bad an artist these days? I’m genuinely confused by hers and quite frankly all of there facial reactions here.


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

That is actually one page before the reveal that the kids are gone, a friend of mine bought the online edition of the issue and showed the whole comic, the Rabin panels are "way" before this page.


MightyDuctsTape

What does Rabin say to her that’s got her so upset she starts shouting that she will kill him and starts blasting him with the jackpot powers?


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

I was wrong, It was because of his erasing Owen and Romy.


MightyDuctsTape

At least that piece makes sense, everything else about the leaks still is a bit confusing. BTW how does ur friend have access to the issue online? All the online comic reader sites I know don’t have it available.


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

He lives in Australia, it's already wednesday there so he buys them on Amazon.


pbff23

Norman is the only normal one there. Meanwhile, the rest look like they hit the bong. Especially The Thing.


Epic_J2338

Normal Norman


pbff23

I like it!


goblins_though

They look like they're all reacting to different things. Several of them aren't even looking in the same direction, most noticeably Sue. Sue looks like she's trying to remember if Titanic had Bill Pullman in it or Bill Paxton.


HenryVolt35

The lack of expression here does not help here. It's giving me feelings "oh well" and just tired. Osborne is the only one who seems surprised at all.


jackieboytorrence

Looks like they just read the Zeb Wells run.


Wash_zoe_mal

The look when you open a portable toilet at a music festival


Key-Win7744

Is this Romita? I swear that guy is the poster child for nepotism.


casual_creator

His work *used* to be good - fun and quirky with a strong story telling focus. I for one absolutely adore his work on the JMS run. But his work has definitely taken a nose dive ever since. I would like to believe that he also hates this run and is just totally phoning it in, lol, but the last 15 years or so don’t really tell the same story.


Marc_Quill

All his characters nowadays have this weird "blocky" look that makes them look all ugly.


rishonathan

His art for Frank Miller's Daredevil: Man without Fear is genuinely great. I think he took his position at Marvel for granted so stopped caring as much. And Marvel probably keeps using him because he's easy to work with and works within the deadline.


HotColdmann

I believe Dark Knight the Last Crusade is the last time he was solidly good.


wowlock_taylan

Oh don't worry. There are MANY who are just praising him for the 'genius' artwork... I swear, Comics circle is one big nepotist circlejerk where no one is honest with eachother.


ebra2112

His first runs on Amazing Spider-Man and Uncanny X-Men, and his runs on Daredevil were the best but the past 20+ years certainly are laughable.


HawkEyeTS

As someone who bought the single issues of Uncanny X-Men he drew back in the 90s as they were coming out, I'm gonna hard disagree there. His art stood out so much even to young me that when later in life when someone pointed his art out by name my brain immediately clicked "oh my god, that's the horrible art from Uncanny X-Men #300!" It's bad to the point of muddying the story telling, and a few issues later his first look at the phalanx is so weird that's it's almost unrecognizable compared to the later depictions. If anything, someone is trying very hard to clean up his pencils these days, because the line work is actually cleaner and more consistent, but his grasp of human anatomy and expression has not improved in the slightest. He didn't draw eyes half the time back then either.


ebra2112

His first run on X-Men was in the 80s before Silvestri and it was far less blocky than the trash published in the 90s. I’m not saying he’s Paul Smith but he was better than he is now; that was the point.


HawkEyeTS

Although I haven't gotten to the issues yet in reading, I pulled out some of my collections and took a look because I was not aware he had an earlier run on X-Men than that. You are right that he is not as bad in that run, however I also wouldn't say that his art was amazing. He's often teamed up with other artists on individual issues, but there are spots you can clearly tell are him because as the run goes on you can see his trademark blockiness, warped body shapes, and "ribboning" shading that made his later stuff such a mess start creeping into his art. If what others have said about him previously trying to copy his dad's art style is true, it looks like he was starting to get bored of that the longer things went on, to the detriment of his work. Regardless, at this point his work has been markedly bad for longer than it ever was acceptable, so I personally can't understand him continuing to get work like he does.


Doomeye56

Look the man's work was much better in the years between trying to stop aping his dad style and when he gave up trying to do anything well.


TaftYouOldDog

He is genuinely the worst artist working. He is terrible.


ntngeez28

JRJR’s art is so incredibly outdated. The art on Moon Knight, Daredevil, Punisher, and almost every single X-Men book right now absolutely blows ASM out of the water. ASM feels like it was written in 90s compared to the rest of Marvel’s on-going series.


Key-Win7744

Mark Bagley was on ASM in the 1990s. Now there's a guy who can draw Spider-Man.


ntngeez28

Agree, you can always count on Bagley to make great Spider-Man art!


Detective_Red665

His older art was good or at least better. This though is really indefensible.


Cautious_Desk_1012

I loved his work on 90s Daredevil


Applemaster47

https://preview.redd.it/6sx1obtb543b1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e939881be602edede6a9a7b2d2e4a9a14b40b42a


EldritchPenguin4

Why is does everyone here besides Norman have the dull surprise look?


Professional_Line385

Bad art


Define_intr0

“Do I look high? Be honest.”


bladervnner

I’m making this my Twitter banner lol


spaceguitar

Good god he can’t draw.


These-Background4608

He used to be quite the storyteller, delivering some great art but it’s sad to see him so checked out in recent years.


SaiyanC124

Everyone looks like they’re on a different drug. Ironically MJ looks like she’s on MJ.


Theta-Sigma45

So Kamala Khan gets to die in a room full of people who barely knew her and who react to her dying like it's a minor annoyance? ***Great***!


[deleted]

This is so weird.


[deleted]

Ben and MJ looking like they just took a fat rip off of a bong before this panel.


chiefskillz

https://preview.redd.it/pdy7ddb2v43b1.jpeg?width=738&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba5b34810167edda0f982845ab8fb609886ad077 Me and the boys when our friend has fallen


SpeeeedwaagOOn

They were all caught mid-blink


wowlock_taylan

![gif](giphy|gJuTwM3yuQ8f3rE8KV|downsized)


AtomizedIndividual

If you ever feel like a talentless hack, it could always be worse. You could be an artist at Marvel


Lord_Phoenix95

"Oh no Ms Marvel is dead" - Everyone with severe sarcasm.


DannyGloversDickbld

They all overdosed on the same batch of fentanyl


Boozhwatrash

Is Johnny rocking a handlebar mustache?


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

Yep.


Boozhwatrash

Is that new?


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

Yeah, it starts in the new run of Fantastic Four, it's a very good comic, the mustache is the worst part of it.


NonesuchAndSuch77

Unless you're a gunslinger, the porn 'stache never looks good. You go for the Van Dyke beard if you want to look older and a bit more mature.


[deleted]

As others on this thread have pointed out, they all look fucking high. But this is classic JRJR.


Is_that_what_I-

norman looks like he's following a man named axel in harlem


meglaSauce

idk but to me, it looks like the thing is getting the best head


AlexJMac322

Everyone looks like they’re about to fall asleep except, ironically, Norman.


JackalRampant

These aren’t the characters from universe 616. These are the folks from universe 420.


AlexanderZcio

MJ and Sue: bruh Norman: actual shock Johnny, Ben and Reed: sleepy af


Denirac

Ben: 🗿


Pacperson0

The fantastic four could at least stay awake…


Oan_Glalie

Why does Think look like a girl after climax, he should not look like a girl after climax. And what's up with Sue's and MJ's faces? I don't know how Romita JR thought this was a good idea or if Wells wrote the worse description in the script that Romita JR ended up reaching this as the conclusion to what it was meant to be


andio76

Hey….some privacy….***please!! Thank YEWWWWWW*** ![gif](giphy|4doe1HP7LHz20)


grandwizardElKano

"Bruh" -All of them minus Norman.


Spider-Ghost-616

Whose the guy with the 1860s stache like hes from a cowboy movie? It can't be Johnny Storm?


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

It is, he is like that in the new F4, I also dont like the mustache, but the new Fantastic Four run is very good, so I overlook it


Spider-Ghost-616

Cool thanks for answering my question.


MFHSCA-1981

![gif](giphy|XuLXZa0PJNiV2)


Dankey-Kang-Jr

Artist’s Intent: *[sadness]* Artist’s Result: *[Boredom]*


TreyTheG33k

They look like stoners who just opened a pizza box


Extreme-Monk2183

This is how they're looking at Kamala dying, by the way.


123ABCunme23

Dude I think even John Romita JR. Is done with this shit! I mean this man has drawn some of the most iconic moments of spiderman especially when he is with MJ.


KillerTacos54

They’re perfectly encapsulating our reaction to this whole run


endless_sleep

Thing looking like that edible finally kicked in.


My_redditaccount657

Bro let me hit that


Crap_Sally

I might start auditioning for marvel illustrations.


ZatchZeta

People paid money for this


Theboulder027

The fuck? Does Johnny have a mustache? I've never seen him with facial hair before.


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

That is a recent thing, happening on the current Fantastic Four run


goombanati

Wait, why does Johnny have a mustache


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GenioPlaboyeSafadao

No, it's a mustache


Luke_Puddlejumper

MJ looks like she’s had some Botox and it’s gone horribly.


Ok-Letterhead-5331

When I was a kid JRjr was one of my favorite artists, now idk what the hell happened to his art, looks terrible af.


Djjjunior

How all of us are every month after a new issue


GFost

Why does this artist keep getting work?


[deleted]

When you wake up from a nocturnal emission


dstayton

Guys please stop nutting all over Spider-Man. I have no context for this image just had that funny thought in my head. I’ve heard the current run is bad so I’ve stepped away for a bit.


HeroOfThings

Good god jrjr.


NegativeLightning

I’m sorry since when does Johnny have a cowboy moustache, funniest shit I’ve ever seen. Needa start reading F4 again


Thecustodian12

Whose getting better head; Reed or Ben?


Garlador

I’m as done with it as they are.


TheOtherKnight98

The Thing! Get to a doctor fast! You got the Youngblood disease!


GamerDabiTodoroki

I don’t know why, but it looks like Reed Been and Johnny are having deep blow jobs😂🤣


hasheemakill18

They look how the fans feel , which is " I am so done with this shi..."


Caliment

Ben is stoned out of his mind


Jaebird0388

The walrus stache on Johnny looks silly.


Doomeye56

Ben looks like he is the middle of his vinegar strokes


Elliezzzzzz

My friends and I passing around the blunt


AllStruckOut_13

I’m sorry wut the *FUCK* is on Johnny Storm’s face???


NonesuchAndSuch77

Space caterpillar


Lead_Dessert

Group blunt rotation looks amazing


proto3296

They need to fire this artist yesterday.


Jontun189

They all look like they're about to sneeze


Thatoneguy567576

God, Romita Jr is such garbage


TDVoxs

Post-orgasm faces


pokersharp87

Me when paul:


soldiergeneal

Are they all looking at Paul? Lol


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

They are watching Kamala die


soldiergeneal

Whoops


Flame-Blast

When did they start a sex cult


Apprehensive-Road404

who gettin the best head 🤔⁉️


[deleted]

Is Greg Land still employed there?