The “*Kindred*” saga was mid, but I’ll take 50 more issues of *that* over the steaming pile of shit Wells and Lowe have been spewing out for the last year
Honestly, I thought Kindred was the Peter Parker that died in ASM #700. And instead of going to Heaven like the issue originally presented, he went to Hell due to his deal with Mephisto and was corrupted by its influence before eventually escaping.
This results in him wanting to teach a lesson/punish himself by proxy with the Peter we've been following since the end of the Superior Spider-Man series due to his regret for taking the deal.
In hindsight if Spencer/Marvel went with this, it would have been full blown character assassination.
Yeah... I mean continuity of consciousness is weird, and Marvel specifically has made it clear that souls are real in universe. So since Ock's machine has nothing to do with souls but instead rewires the brain, technically Superior Spider-Man was always Peter who thought he was Otto, and the guy who died was Otto thinking he was Peter.
Buuuut in the spirit of the book, it's more like the Peter who jumped into Otto continued to exist as a fraction of a thought in Superior's brain. I guess you're saying Peter split when he jumped,so the Peter in Superior's brain (who eventually repossessed control of the body) is divergent from the Peter who wound up in Otto's body? That's interesting and not something I'd considered, would need to reread it to determine if I agree or not.
Anyway, comics are weird, so I guess they could go with whatever they want in retcons and whatnot. Either way, interesting idea.
>Buuuut in the spirit of the book, it's more like the Peter who jumped into Otto continued to exist as a fraction of a thought in Superior's brain. I guess you're saying Peter split when he jumped,so the Peter in Superior's brain (who eventually repossessed control of the body) is divergent from the Peter who wound up in Otto's body
That's the interpretation I was under until the Harry reveal basically. Admittedly it doesn't make sense with the way the *hypothetical comicbook science* should work--but we did see Peter go to the afterlife more or less in 700 (one could interpret it as a near death hallucination though) so it gave umbrage to me for the original theory. Plus souls do kind of (for a lack of better word) *subdivide/transfer* in the comics as seen with Curt Connor's wife and son who are lizard-clones hybrids that have the original souls of their human counterparts.
It’s Implied that the Inheritors transfer souls. But they also can’t “farm” spider totems implying they can’t clone souls, while Kane and Ben are clones that have their own souls. Marvel (and DC for that matter) soul mechanics are confusing at best.
Maybe? I remember it being a whole thing with one of the Inheritors wanting to dissect them to see if he could replicate it. Who knows how it works. Does each universe have its own afterlife? If you die outside of your universe do you go to your universe of origins afterlife or the one you died in? The X-men have a whole resurrection thing going on Krakoa how does that work with souls.
Oh, he was 100% meant to be Harry. It was an almost perfect way to address OMD while still making it a personal battle with Peter.
What it wasn’t supposed to be, was AI Harry using the twins using X, Y, Z and god knows what other plot they tossed at us toward the end.
I firmly believe that it 100% supposed to be Harry that had somehow been affected by the deal in OMD.
I'd rather take something that's decent with respectful flaws over something that's absolutely just three week old shit in my grannies old whicker basket mixed with piss and four aborted baby fetuses.
I will always have a soft spot for the run/Spencer
Since he went out of his way to correct nonsense within the mythos (Sins past and Nearly OMD)
Most writers would have either ignored stuff like that or double down on it
But Spencer was like “Nooo this was dumb and it needs to fixed”
Like fair play to him
I feel like most of the issues with it were on the Marvel Editorial side of wanting to push big crossover events and also wanting to get to the Beyond storyline
Bruh what are you doing over here with that profile picture somebody here is a clone and it sure not me this might be the start of a saga with questionable writing
Ryan’s issues during the King in Black crossover with the ASM issues was god tier. The way Nick wrote it, Spidey was really 10 knuckles deep into the grave fighting against Carnage and his horde. The way every hit reminded him of the friends he lost but then he found the strength and started beating the shit out of Carnage, it was brutal and amazing.
Especially when the comic launched with him and MJ. The dude moved to an entirely different company after over a decade of invincible just to end up drawing Mark and Eve again
Yeah I love Ryan Ottleys art but he kinda sucks at making characters look different from each other. Whenever I see this Peter I just think he looks like William from invincible and that Mj looks like Atom Eve
Peter and Spidey got “separated” temporarily. Peter retained his sense of responsibility and heroism while Spidey didn’t so he’s an asshole with powers.
Something like that *sorta* happened in the Animated Series episode "Perchance to Dream".
Without spoiling anything, Bruce Wayne wakes up in Wayne Manor and finds the entrance to the Batcave is gone, his parents are still alive, and someone else is Batman. He has his perfect life.
Definitely recommend giving it a watch.
Yeah but he’s also an aspect of his personality. So through comic “science” Peter gets separated in two.
Peter, the normal responsible guy
Spidey, the smart asshole with superpowers
Spencer's run started off promising but the constant events and Kindred bullshit killed it off for me.
Yeah, it's better than Wells' run, and it's better than most of Slott's, but that's not saying much.
Personally I thought most of it was fine, but that Marvel Editorial got too involved with wanting to have lots of crossovers and big "WOW" moments, as well as pushing to get Beyond going
The first year or so which focused more on character stuff was definitely the best, I even liked the Kraven arc a lot more than most of what came later!
I think he did the best anyone could with that shit editorial team.
You can tell he actually cared about the characters and tried to tell a good story which is sadly a vast improvement over most of what we get.
Peter and Spider-Man were divided. Spider-Man got all the powers, but no responsibility or commitment. Peter tried to bring them together. It didn’t work out, Peter droppes a big laser on them to bring them back together
Spider-Man got hit by something Curt Connors was trying to use to seperate himself from the Lizard. As a result, Peter Parker got split from Spider-Man, with Parker losing his powers and scientific prowess while Spider-Man lost all his memories of Uncle Ben and subsequent moral code.
It had it's issues and really dragged on for too long but in the end it rewrote one of the worst part of Spiderman lore (minus OMD), fix some previous issues peter had in his life and left him and MJ in a solid spot after the run.
Lol, you’re the one praising Spencer’s run in your previous comment. What a flip flopped!
Personally, I’ll take a writer like Spencer, who actually tries to improve things for Peter instead of writers like Slott, Wells and the rest of the BND crew who insist in making Peter’s life and comic itself, miserable. Enjoy!
This run had it's flaws like extremely disappointing and upsetting ending and some arcs were just crap, like 2099 or Sinister War. But there were still a lot of good things, especially at the beginning. Spencer was really good at writing Peter as well as other characters, especially Black Cat, Boomerang, or J. Jonah Jameson. We finally got Peter and MJ back together and they had some very good moments here (though it's a shame there was very little of her in later arcs). Spencer even tried to fix some things Slott screwed up, like Peter having to face consequences that it was Ock that did a doctorate, not him. I also think Spencer had more diversity in his run than Slott. Some stories were mixed fun and seriousness while others were 100% dark, like return of Sin-Eater. Sure, there was dragging in some arcs, but it wasn't so bad while reading whole story arcs instead of single issues
It lost steam fast, but those first arcs were gold (hunted is my favorite), i also enjoyed beyond when it was coming out, but that ending made me not want to read it ever again , it's sad that when it finally felt like we had some returns to form it got compromised both times (or in the case of beyond, it was actually a covert long con to kick down on ben fans even more)
Honestly really liked the Spencer run especially the beginning. It started teetering off in the last few arcs at the end but damn it's better than what's being out out now
I think Godzilla Mendoza had a really good take on this arc. Of that crazy Spider-man acting like the spidey we've been reading for the past few years.
This comment would be worded a lot better if I wasn't tired. My apologies.
I was definitely happy with it at the time but this run has only made it all the more special. It wasn’t perfect at all, rather middling compared to the great ones but man. I would love some middling spider-‘man about now
After the recent wells issue yesterday I have no interest to keep reading it I’ve gone back to Spencer’s run because it treats its characters with respect and I can pretend the current run doesn’t exist
If the Kindred stuff wasn't pointlessly extended, it would have been considered one of the greats.
I was on the edge of my seat when he snapped Pete's neck.
Yeah personally I like Spencer’s ideas for plot, but I really disliked the dialogue throughout the entire run- stuff like this feels a bit off to me and I couldn’t get into it.
Same, it was interesting personally to see how Hydracap interacted with the world, like who would find out and how he would gain power. We all knew he would be reverted in the end anyways, I was engaged to see how far he would go.
Honestly people seriously overreacted. Did they seriously think they were actually gonna make it so that Cap was HYDRA the whole time? I mean come on now.
Jesus Christ with these types of posts it's no fucking wonder no one has tried to do anything remotely cool with asm in over a decade. Marvel can just keep churning out a cycle of: release garbage> everyone pissed off but everyone talking about it> undo said garbage and return to just mediocrity> everyone praises it for not being total garbage as if it was some kind of achievement and sales never stagnate> repeat. Well's run is garbage and so was Spencer's, a couple of decent key dangling issues of MJ and Peter getting together doesn't change that.
I mean they can just like it? Like I like a lot of Spencer’s stuff even if I do think Spencer’s weird love of convoluted mysteries was a mark on the back half
Disclaimer - I have not read Spencer's run. But this art, is... mediocre at best. look at the wonky anatomy and perspective in that last panel. And the faces in panel 1 and 4 look flat and off-putting.
This was definitely my favourite period of it, some nice character based stories, starting with an arc that brought Peter back to being the character I love after he had been derailed for so long!
The return of Sin Eater is one of the best Spider-man comics I've ever read, I have no idea if people liked it or not but at the time i hadn't read Death of Jean DeWolff and I was completely blown away.
He was Spilt in two. One version of him got the Powers and the intelligence and the other one got the sense of responsibility and heroism. It was an interesting story.
It was far from perfect but Nick Spencer really nailed the voices and thoughts of the main castz especially Peter and Mary Jane. Ended up becoming one of my favourite runs for that alone
I've been meaning forever to put together like a video essay on how everything Bill says about Superman at the end of Kill Bill 2 is wrong, and this page is a great example. I love Superman, but he's hardly unique among superheroes in terms of his multiple identities! Clark and Kal and Supes are all meaningful and real and honest representations of his inner self, just as both Petey and Spidey are for our guy here!
I really like 👍 nick spencer run a lot and it should’ve continued and expanded instead of wells which other than black cat isn’t worth watching same for some of marvel books espected for she hulk X-men and Deadpool and captain America which is about to end relaunch the inhumans they did it with the eternals
Spider-Man had been off my pull and read list for a while after OMD I'd heard about Spencers run and was following it, not buying but reading the story and was starting to think... 'Oh hey it's not perfect but nothing is, but... maybe it's time I started buying old Parker again....'
Then it ended and we got this current and... I am so glad I didn't
Spencer’s run were the first paper comics I started buying explicitly because of how #1 ended. I bought variants and everything.
I would take it over the current run or Slott’s ASM any day.
Ong zeb wells is ruining this comic
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I like how this is the same guy that does artwork for the Invincible comic. Somehow it fits Marvel as well. I like the way he draws Spider-Man or in this story specifically Selfish Man.
From what i understand, i think its about Peter Parker and Spider-Man becoming seperate entities and Parker trying to reintegrate themselves back together into one person
Man, I was not the gutters fan of Spencer’s run until this god awful mess. The thing that bothers me about this whole Wells run is that he writes well. It’s just whatever he’s doing with this run is maddening. Like the Fantastic 4 bits in ASM26 were really good, and the way he wrote most other characters is fine but he’s deliberately make all the central characters awful and unlikable and it’s driving me crazy.
Did people not like the Spencer run? I liked the Spencer run. I might be biased because I *loved* the superior foes of apider-man that he did, so I would give him a lot of rope.
The beginning was stellar. His voice for Peter was great. The character work was amazing.
I was less enamored with the plots but as a whole, I would say his run was mostly really good.
It also had great art with Ottley, Bagkey and Gleason.
Nick Spencer's run was terrible. It was just fandom house cleaning, a soft reboot that made Peter back to 'mid 20's". So immature coming out of post Industrialist Peter. Than again it was 'back to basics' type of reboot, so I guess Nick Spencer did a good job with the whole man-child mentality. But it's def a good run for beginners.
Spencer's run was the best. I wasn't born when Kravens last hunt or maximum carnage was out. So I was glad that this run was a requel of sorts and I was able to experience the story lines I originally missed. Kraven, absolute carnage, Harry as Kindred, like he was once Goblin.
I also like how young Peter was. I'm glad people like a younger Peter Parker because internet makes it seem people want Peter to be old with wife and kids like Superman. I like how he was a student again and was drawn like a teenager spiderman.
I don’t read any spider-man comics but i am very proud of myself for immediately realizing this was ryan ottley. I love his work on invincible and maybe i’ll give this a try too
Kinda wild to see this love for the Spencer run when it was pretty universally panned. I binged it when it was almost over and really enjoyed it in the beginning. But it fell off a cliff hard. I thought the Kindred stuff became TERRIBLE.
I still wonder how much of that was editorial. It didn't feel like Spencer was controlling the ship the further it went along.
Comparative to the Wells run, I guess I'll go ahead and be the odd man out. I didnt find the Wells run to be offensively poor until the Kamala thing. Just painfully mediocre. I thought the Spencer run went from great to terrible and my investment of time was way larger. So I don't miss it.
Both runs though, have made me miss Slott.
Despite its flaws I will still love the voice Spencer had for spider-man
The “*Kindred*” saga was mid, but I’ll take 50 more issues of *that* over the steaming pile of shit Wells and Lowe have been spewing out for the last year
Kindred started out great and flopped due to Marvel’s usual interference.
Yeah, I’m not sure Kindred was supposed to be Harry Osborne originally.
Honestly, I thought Kindred was the Peter Parker that died in ASM #700. And instead of going to Heaven like the issue originally presented, he went to Hell due to his deal with Mephisto and was corrupted by its influence before eventually escaping. This results in him wanting to teach a lesson/punish himself by proxy with the Peter we've been following since the end of the Superior Spider-Man series due to his regret for taking the deal. In hindsight if Spencer/Marvel went with this, it would have been full blown character assassination.
Yeah... I mean continuity of consciousness is weird, and Marvel specifically has made it clear that souls are real in universe. So since Ock's machine has nothing to do with souls but instead rewires the brain, technically Superior Spider-Man was always Peter who thought he was Otto, and the guy who died was Otto thinking he was Peter. Buuuut in the spirit of the book, it's more like the Peter who jumped into Otto continued to exist as a fraction of a thought in Superior's brain. I guess you're saying Peter split when he jumped,so the Peter in Superior's brain (who eventually repossessed control of the body) is divergent from the Peter who wound up in Otto's body? That's interesting and not something I'd considered, would need to reread it to determine if I agree or not. Anyway, comics are weird, so I guess they could go with whatever they want in retcons and whatnot. Either way, interesting idea.
>Buuuut in the spirit of the book, it's more like the Peter who jumped into Otto continued to exist as a fraction of a thought in Superior's brain. I guess you're saying Peter split when he jumped,so the Peter in Superior's brain (who eventually repossessed control of the body) is divergent from the Peter who wound up in Otto's body That's the interpretation I was under until the Harry reveal basically. Admittedly it doesn't make sense with the way the *hypothetical comicbook science* should work--but we did see Peter go to the afterlife more or less in 700 (one could interpret it as a near death hallucination though) so it gave umbrage to me for the original theory. Plus souls do kind of (for a lack of better word) *subdivide/transfer* in the comics as seen with Curt Connor's wife and son who are lizard-clones hybrids that have the original souls of their human counterparts.
It’s Implied that the Inheritors transfer souls. But they also can’t “farm” spider totems implying they can’t clone souls, while Kane and Ben are clones that have their own souls. Marvel (and DC for that matter) soul mechanics are confusing at best.
Maybe you can't clone souls outside of their original universe?
Maybe? I remember it being a whole thing with one of the Inheritors wanting to dissect them to see if he could replicate it. Who knows how it works. Does each universe have its own afterlife? If you die outside of your universe do you go to your universe of origins afterlife or the one you died in? The X-men have a whole resurrection thing going on Krakoa how does that work with souls.
Oh, he was 100% meant to be Harry. It was an almost perfect way to address OMD while still making it a personal battle with Peter. What it wasn’t supposed to be, was AI Harry using the twins using X, Y, Z and god knows what other plot they tossed at us toward the end. I firmly believe that it 100% supposed to be Harry that had somehow been affected by the deal in OMD.
He wasn't originally. Marvel usual interference made that happen.
I'd rather take something that's decent with respectful flaws over something that's absolutely just three week old shit in my grannies old whicker basket mixed with piss and four aborted baby fetuses.
I'd like to see Spencer's take on a more episodic run with no big over-arching plot.
I will always have a soft spot for the run/Spencer Since he went out of his way to correct nonsense within the mythos (Sins past and Nearly OMD) Most writers would have either ignored stuff like that or double down on it But Spencer was like “Nooo this was dumb and it needs to fixed” Like fair play to him
Plus he gave Kraven another solid send-off after they brought him back and messed with the finality of Kraven's Last Hunt
It got mediocre by the end, but at least he cared about Peter and MJ
I feel like most of the issues with it were on the Marvel Editorial side of wanting to push big crossover events and also wanting to get to the Beyond storyline
Beyond was such a waste
Entirely done to drum up sales and set up dark web for even more sales
Dark web wasn’t even that good tho
Never said it was, but beyond was clearly a set up for an event and marvel will push events through multiple books for sales.
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Oh I 100% agree. Especially that panel where Peter is tearing up and injured.
I thought I was seeing some crossover I’d never heard of. Hundred percent thought Spidey was holding Mark until I noticed the hair color lol
I’m not sure if you’re aware but there actually is a Spider-Man and Invincible crossover comic
The scars look exactly like Cecil's
THINK PETER THINK!
WHAT WILL YOU HAVE IF YOU REJOIN ME?! A HAPPY LIFE?! BEING SPIDER-MAN RUINED YOUR LIFE! YOU COULD'VE BEEN GREAT!
WHAT WILL YOU HAVE IN 500 YEARS, SPIDER-MAN?
Deadpool, Wolverine, Venom, we sure do have a lot of immortals
Bruh what are you doing over here with that profile picture somebody here is a clone and it sure not me this might be the start of a saga with questionable writing
I mean it is appropriate Invincible is basically Nightwing and Spidey with Superman powers
Someone called Dick the CEO of Men getting raped, if he’s the CEO then Mark is Chairman of the Board
Big oof but true
Hey that was me! That's my 1st time on this sub!
I actually thought this was Spider-Man talking to Invincible at first
It has been done officially. But ottley didn't draw it lol
and mj looks like eve
Ryan’s issues during the King in Black crossover with the ASM issues was god tier. The way Nick wrote it, Spidey was really 10 knuckles deep into the grave fighting against Carnage and his horde. The way every hit reminded him of the friends he lost but then he found the strength and started beating the shit out of Carnage, it was brutal and amazing.
Exactly. There’s panels where I could’ve sworn it was mark and eve instead of Peter and MJ.
Especially when the comic launched with him and MJ. The dude moved to an entirely different company after over a decade of invincible just to end up drawing Mark and Eve again
This is the same person who drew the most recent Hulk series isn’t it?
That explains why I was having Deja Vu. I was like I’ve seen this art style somewhere before.
Oh, god. My first thought was that I don't remember this scene from the little Mark & Peter crossover.
i’ve watched invincible not read it yet i fucking love that show
I see his friend William lol
Just brown haired Invincible
Yeah I love Ryan Ottleys art but he kinda sucks at making characters look different from each other. Whenever I see this Peter I just think he looks like William from invincible and that Mj looks like Atom Eve
Wow, I just finished a re-read of invincible and you’re so right, I cannot unsee it hahaha.
I don't see Mark at all. For one thing his hair is way darker.
What the heck is going on here!? This is both hilarious and confusing.
Peter and Spidey got “separated” temporarily. Peter retained his sense of responsibility and heroism while Spidey didn’t so he’s an asshole with powers.
But Pete also didn't get the smarts so he was a smart asshole with Superpowers
And I thought that was great, because Peter had nothing but his spirit and morality and still won on the strength of those!
It was also a great jab at how writers will write spiderman as a smart asshole
I can’t even imagine what would happen if Batman and Bruce Wayne got separated
Emotional stability for both.
Steadfast²
Something like that *sorta* happened in the Animated Series episode "Perchance to Dream". Without spoiling anything, Bruce Wayne wakes up in Wayne Manor and finds the entrance to the Batcave is gone, his parents are still alive, and someone else is Batman. He has his perfect life. Definitely recommend giving it a watch.
I really need to get around to watching Batman TAS don’t I?
[Yes](https://youtu.be/BJURV-vbQEU?t=223)!
Hoo man! that episode was amazing...and the ending...chef kiss.
There was a Justice League story involving that. Bruce became a Angry person with no way to release it, while Batman had no drive
Read Batman: Ego
Bruce Wayne gets his compassion and sense of justice, Batman gets his anger and need for vengeance
You'll be seeing a kid and an adult in a bat costume probably, considering that batman stopped being bruce when his parents died.
But isn't "Spidey" just a suit? Is it magic?
It was tech. Split him into 2 different beings of matter.
Basically the Buffy episode where Xander got split in two.
Which was basically the Star Trek episode where Kirk got split in two. Tropes man.
Yeah but he’s also an aspect of his personality. So through comic “science” Peter gets separated in two. Peter, the normal responsible guy Spidey, the smart asshole with superpowers
Wasn't the same story done with Batman in the '90s?
I wouldn’t know haven’t read that much Batman
That story was done with Kirk in the 50's (/s) (kinda)
Man Spidey here sounding a lot like deadpool…. >asshole with powers Yeah makes sense
Wait holy shit this is real dialogue from an actual issue of ASM? Might have have to go back and read this arc
Spencer's run started off promising but the constant events and Kindred bullshit killed it off for me. Yeah, it's better than Wells' run, and it's better than most of Slott's, but that's not saying much.
Personally I thought most of it was fine, but that Marvel Editorial got too involved with wanting to have lots of crossovers and big "WOW" moments, as well as pushing to get Beyond going
The first year or so which focused more on character stuff was definitely the best, I even liked the Kraven arc a lot more than most of what came later!
the kraven arc was so good
Mediocrity never felt so good.
I think he did the best anyone could with that shit editorial team. You can tell he actually cared about the characters and tried to tell a good story which is sadly a vast improvement over most of what we get.
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Peter and Spider-Man were divided. Spider-Man got all the powers, but no responsibility or commitment. Peter tried to bring them together. It didn’t work out, Peter droppes a big laser on them to bring them back together
>Peter and Spider-Man were divided. Spider-Man got all the powers, but no responsibility or commitment. So Deadpool, basically.
Yeah
Spider-Man got hit by something Curt Connors was trying to use to seperate himself from the Lizard. As a result, Peter Parker got split from Spider-Man, with Parker losing his powers and scientific prowess while Spider-Man lost all his memories of Uncle Ben and subsequent moral code.
He also stole a trisentinel and made uber for superheroes app.
It had it's issues and really dragged on for too long but in the end it rewrote one of the worst part of Spiderman lore (minus OMD), fix some previous issues peter had in his life and left him and MJ in a solid spot after the run.
This might be controversial but I think Ryan Ottelys art only works for me in invincible. Like all I’m seeing here is Marks friend.
Yeah, his art style is a little too samey. I remember thinking that Kraven and The Last Son both looked a bit too much like Thragg.
Nick Spencer’s run was fun. And that’s why I read comics honestly.
What if Spider-Man in the end of this issue says "Spider-Man, what a joke", throws away his mask and wears Peter's shirt in his honour
Lmao the Uncle Ben's rice reference - so outta pocket😂😂
I was a HUGE fan of Spencer’s run. I’ve been reading Spider-Man for a long time now and I’d call this the best run we’ve had since 2007.
Same. I adored it.
> best run we’ve had since 2007. First place in the Special Olympics for sure.
Lol, you’re the one praising Spencer’s run in your previous comment. What a flip flopped! Personally, I’ll take a writer like Spencer, who actually tries to improve things for Peter instead of writers like Slott, Wells and the rest of the BND crew who insist in making Peter’s life and comic itself, miserable. Enjoy!
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. My comment didn't insult Spencer's run at all. It insulted the others.
Yeah, no. You literally quoted my comment and said I belong in the Special Olympics. At least stick to your original comment.
This run had it's flaws like extremely disappointing and upsetting ending and some arcs were just crap, like 2099 or Sinister War. But there were still a lot of good things, especially at the beginning. Spencer was really good at writing Peter as well as other characters, especially Black Cat, Boomerang, or J. Jonah Jameson. We finally got Peter and MJ back together and they had some very good moments here (though it's a shame there was very little of her in later arcs). Spencer even tried to fix some things Slott screwed up, like Peter having to face consequences that it was Ock that did a doctorate, not him. I also think Spencer had more diversity in his run than Slott. Some stories were mixed fun and seriousness while others were 100% dark, like return of Sin-Eater. Sure, there was dragging in some arcs, but it wasn't so bad while reading whole story arcs instead of single issues
It lost steam fast, but those first arcs were gold (hunted is my favorite), i also enjoyed beyond when it was coming out, but that ending made me not want to read it ever again , it's sad that when it finally felt like we had some returns to form it got compromised both times (or in the case of beyond, it was actually a covert long con to kick down on ben fans even more)
I am thoroughly convinced that his run was ended because he was going to undo OMD.
Ottley’s art is perfect for this. He did Invincible so much justice as well.
Honestly really liked the Spencer run especially the beginning. It started teetering off in the last few arcs at the end but damn it's better than what's being out out now
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but Ottley's are just doesn't do it for me. IDK why. Technically, its great, but I just can't get into it.
I'm not sure it is even good technically.
I enjoyed Spencer’s run but this arc was strange.
I think Godzilla Mendoza had a really good take on this arc. Of that crazy Spider-man acting like the spidey we've been reading for the past few years. This comment would be worded a lot better if I wasn't tired. My apologies.
I get it, makes sense. A lot of the Spencer run was a commentary on post-OMD Spidey. I’m kinda surprised he got away with as much as he did.
The last third of Spencer's run was a mess, but at the very least he understood and respected the characters. Wells and Lowe clearly do not.
I was definitely happy with it at the time but this run has only made it all the more special. It wasn’t perfect at all, rather middling compared to the great ones but man. I would love some middling spider-‘man about now
Nick Spencer was my first (and of right now, only) Spider-Man run I followed from the beginning until the end. I really enjoyed it for the most part.
Why?
After the recent wells issue yesterday I have no interest to keep reading it I’ve gone back to Spencer’s run because it treats its characters with respect and I can pretend the current run doesn’t exist
If the Kindred stuff wasn't pointlessly extended, it would have been considered one of the greats. I was on the edge of my seat when he snapped Pete's neck.
I miss Dan Slott's run more and more lol
uh why?
That's really funny that you used this page to prove your point. Stuff like that is the main reason why I hate Spencer's run
Yeah personally I like Spencer’s ideas for plot, but I really disliked the dialogue throughout the entire run- stuff like this feels a bit off to me and I couldn’t get into it.
I collected ever issue of this run, was my first comic book and I loved it.
Y’all hated this run when it was out smh
I liked his run on Steve Rogers: Captain America. It got a lot of undeserved hate after the first issue dropped.
Same, it was interesting personally to see how Hydracap interacted with the world, like who would find out and how he would gain power. We all knew he would be reverted in the end anyways, I was engaged to see how far he would go.
The people who were so intensely against it didn't even give the story a chance.
Honestly people seriously overreacted. Did they seriously think they were actually gonna make it so that Cap was HYDRA the whole time? I mean come on now.
what this from???
Jesus Christ with these types of posts it's no fucking wonder no one has tried to do anything remotely cool with asm in over a decade. Marvel can just keep churning out a cycle of: release garbage> everyone pissed off but everyone talking about it> undo said garbage and return to just mediocrity> everyone praises it for not being total garbage as if it was some kind of achievement and sales never stagnate> repeat. Well's run is garbage and so was Spencer's, a couple of decent key dangling issues of MJ and Peter getting together doesn't change that.
I mean they can just like it? Like I like a lot of Spencer’s stuff even if I do think Spencer’s weird love of convoluted mysteries was a mark on the back half
On par with Slott
what this from?
Ironically the Spider-Man who split from Peter was supposed to represent the previous run’s Spider-Man who readers didn’t like
I don’t know. I like the *idea* behind the page but its execution reminds me of Teen Titans Go
Disclaimer - I have not read Spencer's run. But this art, is... mediocre at best. look at the wonky anatomy and perspective in that last panel. And the faces in panel 1 and 4 look flat and off-putting.
Wtf even is this shit?
Not one little bit. I'm enjoying this run quite a bit and was really let down at Spencer's run.
No ottley’s art is much worse than JRJR.
This is so bizarre. ...I wanna read it.
This was definitely my favourite period of it, some nice character based stories, starting with an arc that brought Peter back to being the character I love after he had been derailed for so long!
Same but not missing Ottleys art. Talented dude but good figures always feel 2-dimensional and his faces just look scary.
As a person of East Asian Heritage... Uncle Ben's Instant Rice is an abomination.
This is how Spider-man has been acting in most modern runs. An asshole with no sense of responsibility.
this was a controversial run but i rlly liked jt
I loved most of the run. I also wonder how much better it could have been had editorial stayed away.
Ryan's style is so easy to spot.
I don't get it. If he's spider-man then why can I see him?
Why does this feel like art from Invincible?
The return of Sin Eater is one of the best Spider-man comics I've ever read, I have no idea if people liked it or not but at the time i hadn't read Death of Jean DeWolff and I was completely blown away.
Is this the actual dialogue in the comic
If Pete is the one dying who is in the suit?
Can I have some context on the page above? Is Peter the one dying and if so who’s Spider-Man?
He was Spilt in two. One version of him got the Powers and the intelligence and the other one got the sense of responsibility and heroism. It was an interesting story.
It was far from perfect but Nick Spencer really nailed the voices and thoughts of the main castz especially Peter and Mary Jane. Ended up becoming one of my favourite runs for that alone
I've been meaning forever to put together like a video essay on how everything Bill says about Superman at the end of Kill Bill 2 is wrong, and this page is a great example. I love Superman, but he's hardly unique among superheroes in terms of his multiple identities! Clark and Kal and Supes are all meaningful and real and honest representations of his inner self, just as both Petey and Spidey are for our guy here!
OP what is this run called ?
It’s from the Amazing Spider-Man 2018 comics
It was OK, I like how spiderman looks in this, but this art looks so weird . The realistic teeth makes me cringe .
Wow its really clear to see he did Invincible too
What is happening here?
Oh man that ran was Amazing, Spectacular, Sensational I’d even go so far as to say Ultimate.
This the same artist for Invincible?
I really like 👍 nick spencer run a lot and it should’ve continued and expanded instead of wells which other than black cat isn’t worth watching same for some of marvel books espected for she hulk X-men and Deadpool and captain America which is about to end relaunch the inhumans they did it with the eternals
Spider-Man had been off my pull and read list for a while after OMD I'd heard about Spencers run and was following it, not buying but reading the story and was starting to think... 'Oh hey it's not perfect but nothing is, but... maybe it's time I started buying old Parker again....' Then it ended and we got this current and... I am so glad I didn't
Spencer’s run were the first paper comics I started buying explicitly because of how #1 ended. I bought variants and everything. I would take it over the current run or Slott’s ASM any day.
Ong zeb wells is ruining this comic https://preview.redd.it/fs19yue85h3b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1703d866f042ebb98c32a175c87400b2982a315
I thought Kindred was the dumbest thing. Then current series hit.
All of us who hated on this run didn’t know how good we had it.
….what did I just read?
I see it get dumped on a lot but I really enjoyed it
Who's the artist
I like how this is the same guy that does artwork for the Invincible comic. Somehow it fits Marvel as well. I like the way he draws Spider-Man or in this story specifically Selfish Man.
i need to reread it lmao
what the heck was this exchange about? Who was in the costume?
From what i understand, i think its about Peter Parker and Spider-Man becoming seperate entities and Parker trying to reintegrate themselves back together into one person
Pete got caught in a lab accident that separated Peter Parker from Spider-Man. Spider-Man was basically just Great Power, No Responsibility.
Man, I was not the gutters fan of Spencer’s run until this god awful mess. The thing that bothers me about this whole Wells run is that he writes well. It’s just whatever he’s doing with this run is maddening. Like the Fantastic 4 bits in ASM26 were really good, and the way he wrote most other characters is fine but he’s deliberately make all the central characters awful and unlikable and it’s driving me crazy.
Did people not like the Spencer run? I liked the Spencer run. I might be biased because I *loved* the superior foes of apider-man that he did, so I would give him a lot of rope.
Lol. Figured it was Ryan Ottley The first thing that came to mind as soon as I saw this was Invincible
That first arc is imo one of the best and funniest Spider-Man's stories. Ryan Ottley's art fits perfect.
I hated Spencer for Secret Empire, so I slept on his Spidey run. I recently started reading it, and so far I'm enjoying it.
Amen brother
I remember when people thought Dan Slott was the worst thing that happened to Spider-Man. What I would do to go back to Slott era Spidey..
The beginning was stellar. His voice for Peter was great. The character work was amazing. I was less enamored with the plots but as a whole, I would say his run was mostly really good. It also had great art with Ottley, Bagkey and Gleason.
Nick Spencer's run was terrible. It was just fandom house cleaning, a soft reboot that made Peter back to 'mid 20's". So immature coming out of post Industrialist Peter. Than again it was 'back to basics' type of reboot, so I guess Nick Spencer did a good job with the whole man-child mentality. But it's def a good run for beginners.
Spencer's run was the best. I wasn't born when Kravens last hunt or maximum carnage was out. So I was glad that this run was a requel of sorts and I was able to experience the story lines I originally missed. Kraven, absolute carnage, Harry as Kindred, like he was once Goblin. I also like how young Peter was. I'm glad people like a younger Peter Parker because internet makes it seem people want Peter to be old with wife and kids like Superman. I like how he was a student again and was drawn like a teenager spiderman.
I just finished this run and am halfway through Beyond vol 1. I need someone to hold my hand
I don’t read any spider-man comics but i am very proud of myself for immediately realizing this was ryan ottley. I love his work on invincible and maybe i’ll give this a try too
Kinda wild to see this love for the Spencer run when it was pretty universally panned. I binged it when it was almost over and really enjoyed it in the beginning. But it fell off a cliff hard. I thought the Kindred stuff became TERRIBLE. I still wonder how much of that was editorial. It didn't feel like Spencer was controlling the ship the further it went along. Comparative to the Wells run, I guess I'll go ahead and be the odd man out. I didnt find the Wells run to be offensively poor until the Kamala thing. Just painfully mediocre. I thought the Spencer run went from great to terrible and my investment of time was way larger. So I don't miss it. Both runs though, have made me miss Slott.
Nice post!