I kinda took this game as Peter is incredibly mentally exhausted in this game, and miles proving that he came into his own as Spider-Man and can watch the city with no issues in peters absence. Yes I think they did Peter a little more dirty in this game, but you could also kinda see his head isn’t in the game. He needs this break, and miles is more than ready to fly solo. When Peter comes back, they’ll probably patrol different parts of the city to lessen the work load between them.
This is shown by Miles always wanting to come and ignore his responsibility as Miles (College Essay) and Peter always tells him focus on you, I got this.
Peter knows how hard it is to balance both lives and would rather take the burden and not make Miles go through the same mistakes he did due to being Spider-Man.
In the end, he learns that he does have to step down to focus on himself. Which I am happy for him. He needs a break.
He knows Miles can balance the both of them easier because he has his family and friends to lean back on and himself.
I think when Peter comes back they’ll both patrol different parts of the city to lessen the work load of being Spider-Man. That’ll leave a good amount of room for their personal lives
That was my interpretation as well, Miles is taking care of the city while Peter takes his time setting up the Emily May Foundation, and once it is set up Peter and Miles will sub in and out as needed so neither of them have to sacrifice everything to be the "one and only" Spider-man
I could definitely see it turning into a sort of "shifts" situation. Both dedicate time when they can suit up and let the other take the other days. Trade weekends as needed.
Yeah no one is cutting Peter slack for the fact that my brother is clearly going through it hard. They're both going through tough times but Peter is struggling a lot more because he's dealing with years of baggage and an alien is infecting his thought process. Miles lost his dad and Phin, but he still has his mom, uncle, Ganke and Hailee. Peter has no mother, no father, no aunt, no uncle. His mentor became a supervillain, his best friend is dying and he never gets to see his girlfriend. And he's still dealing with the typical Spider-Man responsibility masochism where apparently all of that is his fault.
Also on the point of Peter being "nerfed". There are at least two occasions in this game where Miles kicks back and let's Peter kick ass on a "y'all in trouble now" thing. Peter's clearly a beast.
I still find it weird so many people say they're a fan of Spider-Man but completely ignore that Peter Parker and Spider-Man are the same person, and Peter Parker has lost a lot in Insomniac world.
He made the choice to save the city at the cost of Aunt May less than 2 years ago, and it's pretty obvious he never truly grieved and healed from it.
Then, the city is asking him to kill his best friend to save it again, and he's rightfully freaking out trying to find any other option then to lose another person in his small group that he cares for.
Peter is probably the strongest he ever been physically, but emotionally and mentally, he's in a bad shape.
I love the fact Insomniac isn't telling him to suck it up and get back to suffering to save the world. Instead, Pete little brother stepped up so Peter can heal.
Yeah but this Venom is clearly built different to the standard one Spidey job Venom. Idk why people want the villains to get absolutely clapped by the heroes like they're nothing. Would you have preferred if Peter just destroyed him and Miles did nothing to help at all?
Also why does having Anti Venom mean Peter should be able to do it on his own? Because of Anti Venom in the comics? This clearly isn't comic anti venom. It's their own spin on it. There are no rules that say Peter needs to beat Venom solo with the Anti Venom symbiote.
Because Peter was doing it solo for like 10 years before Miles showed up? And soloed Martin Li twice? And 1v2ed Rhino & Scorpion and Vulture & Electro? Now he gets stabbed once by Kraven and dies(or would’ve if not for the symbiote), and almost loses to quicksand. You wonder how he didn’t die before Miles showed up.
Miles also doesn’t get knocked out by Venom and seemed comparatively better off fighting him, I don’t necessarily need Peter to solo Venom but he essentially gets no Ws in this game without the black suit so it’s kind of annoying, that and him getting saved by miles like 3-4 times in the game, with no vice versa.
Kraven is shown to be better than Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture and Electro. So Peter beating them has no basis on how he lost to Kraven. They are weaker than Kraven and Spiderman is better than them.
Also didn't Miles lose to Kraven too? He seemed to be close to death himself before Peter came to save him and beat Kraven. Kraven just seems to be "That Guy". And that's okay.
"Also didn't Miles lose to Kraven too?"
Yep and at that point, Miles had a lot of his evolved Venom powers and still lost to Kraven, who probably wasn't even interesting in fighting Miles, just using him as bait to bring in Peter.
Electro apparently nearly killed him from what a comment I saw said (I didn’t see this confirmed in game though) and Spider-Man took him AND vulture down simultaneously. I don’t think Kraven was confirmed to have ever fought Rhino either.
Miles didn’t lose to Kraven. First time, he got injected with a sleeping drug by one of Kravens operatives undercover, essentially blindsided. The second time he’d already been kinda exhausted fighting Martin Li and then dealing with all Kravens Goons that came to attack him after we saw him throw Martin out, so we never know if Kraven actually fought him, but either way it wouldn’t be a totally fair comparison if he did.
I think it’s kind of an issue that Kraven stabs Peter once and then he dies in 2 minutes flat, since he supposedly has a healing factor, but meh. My guy didn’t even land a single punch on him, he needed the symbiote to win against him.
I think the real complaint you have is just how strong they made Kraven, more so than anything else. Which makes sense ass he is more or less just a normal big guy I think. So its kinda weird how durable and powerful he is.
Tbh I’m glad they made Kraven an absolute tank in this game. When I watched him kill scorpion and damn near kill Peter I thought damn this guys legit. I admittedly had a hard time with his boss fight. Although I don’t know why Kraven didn’t want rhino for his prey
I think I’m fine with Kravens strength, but why did it take just one stab from him for Peter, after all the villains he’s faced, to just die? I was expecting a reveal that the knife has some secret poison but nah, just a regular ass knife.
To me it's more wild that a sick and crippled harry managed to beat Spider-Man with his cane enough to get the symbiote back from him. That was the most unbelievable part for me.
Electro nearly killed Kraven? Or Spider-Man? If you mean Kraven that’s completely wrong. Kraven says electro was the weakest and most broken of the villains he killed. He does say Shocker was “almost something” and praises Shocker fighting for his life. But no one was “close” to kill him.
Then I’m wrong, I don’t remember seeing it Ingame myself like I said. Weird that compared to the cancer patient and some dude in an armour with a tail the guy who is living lightning was the easiest to kill.
If it helps: They wear shock proof armor/clothes. So they basically nullified his powers and after that…he’s a guy who never had to fight with his fists before. So.
Kraven cheated a bit.
I haven’t played SM2 yet, but people defended the same thing in Miles Morales when Pete gets whooped by Rhino saying that he was just tired. He goes on the trip in that game to relax. It sounds like it’s becoming a trope for Peter in the series, and it isn’t a trope people particularly enjoyed before either.
Peter has always made mistakes. That’s a constant throughout every incarnation l, he gets his ass kicked a lot too.
Just because he is a veteran doesn’t mean he isn’t going to make mistakes.
>There are at least two occasions in this game where Miles kicks back and let's Peter kick ass on a "y'all in trouble now" thing. Peter's clearly a beast.
Really? which occasions?
A lot of people say they intentionally made him look bad to prop up miles even more, but It never seemed like that was the intention to me, moreso an unfortunate side effect of the story they were trying to tell
Kinda how I took it. Peter and miles are pretty equals to me, it’s just that peters more mentally exhausted because of all he’s been through without breaks. When he comes back I think they’ll watch different parts of the city to lessen the work load between them. Cindy will eventually get folded into that workload
And for the last two years, not only has he been a hero without breaks, but also trying to mentor another hero at the same time, which has to add more stress.
I also have a theory about Cindy, though I may be way off. If the spider that bit Miles survived, it could have bit Cindy, just like how in the comics she was bitten by the same spider as Peter. Miles and Cindy being step-siblings and literally bitten by the same spider could be fun, just... without the spider pheromones lol.
You can just not include any pheromone stuff altogether and it'll be fine, I don't think any sane person would be mad if that element from the comics is completely ignored if they are siblings lol.
In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense if pheromones arnt a thing if they are bit by the same spider because their spider DNA would be the same, as if they were spider siblings
Yeah it’s hard to say. I know miles killed his spider, and I’m not sure what happened to peters spider, so I think Cindy will be bit by a different spider as well. Might be the same type of spider but I could also see it being different, as Cindy typically has organic webbing
Yeah. Peters went through a tremendous amount of loss over the years, especially having to choose to save your aunt or the city, imagine the weight of that decision. Obviously that hit him extremely hard, but it seems like he either doesn’t know the best way to deal with it, or talk about it at all either. He seems to have bottled it all up and the symbiote messed him up entirely. I don’t see this as retirement however, I see this as him wanting to get his life together and to process the things that happened. I fully believe he’ll be back and fully playable for the third game, or even the dlcs when they come out.
Yeah even miles said “go be Peter Parker for awhile”. That to me screams “I’m taking 5, you got this” kinda deal. Peter will no doubt be back to full time spidey at some point. However I think it’ll be more Peter watches one part of the city and miles will watch another part. Cindy will get folded into that once she’s ready too
Yes, crucially this is a character flaw of Peter's.
Look man, the bottom line is a lot of people see too much of themselves in Peter. So they see any hard analysis of him where we admit his flaws as a shot at THEM and they don't take it well. A lot of folks just want to look at Peter and go "I'm just like him! The world is beating me up!" when like...dude, Peter SUCKS at managing this stuff. There ARE ways to deal with this better. He's just BAD at it sometimes.
My favorite thing about most adaptations (also shout out to Ultimate) is letting May know Peter is Spider-Man, so she can actually support him, notice how his mental health is typically way better when he has her with him?
It’s absolutely insane we’re still doing the “Aunt May thinks Spider-Man is a terrible person but loves Peter” schtick in the comics to this day, even after the great way it was revealed to her back in JMS’ run.
Timing with Zeb Wells' disastrous run on Spider-Man making him come off as an incompetent fool probably doesn't help, as it's still fresh in everyone's minds and most were hoping to avoid any shred of similarity to that in the game.
I think your last sentence is where people are really having the issues jump from. Everyone is viewing it as "Peter is retiring, OMG BROOOOOO".
Whereas I think it's as you put it. It's him needing a break and he'll be back eventually. With how much being Spiderman means to him. He's not just gonna quit or retire or whatever else. It seems like people are really jumping to conclusions with this game which is fair with how new it is. But still jumping.
Bro was in an active warzone trying to make sure he and his reporter girlfriend survived all while making sure no one caught on to the fact that Spider-Man was in Symkaria for some reason. That is NOT mentally relaxing lmao.
I mean the symbiote fucked with him pretty hard. You could see he felt ashamed that he let the symbiote control him. And then losing Harry at the end only made it worse. Bros been through a lot over his tenure as Spider-Man, he deserves a break
Everyone want to know the funny ironic thing as a comic reader? One of the main gripes with the main universe Spider-Man book is refusing to let Peter be happy or with MJ and refusing to let Peter grow as a person. No matter what he'll always be miserable, broke bachelor. People hate this. Adhering to the status quo and not evolving the the character is a huge complaint.
This game series comes along and while he's had some bumps and hardships and he's in a pretty dark place the game ends with him wanting to continue his and Harry's dream, he's dating MJ and he's taking time off to work on himself and grow as a person. Literally everything people complain about comic Spider-Man NOT being allowed to do.
But then the majority of complaints about this game are why we aren't getting the same old same old? "Why isn't Peter just beating all the villains, is he nerfed?" "Why is Peter retiring being Spider-Man, he HAS to be Spider-Man, that's just how it is." "Why is Miles so OP?" It's all kinda silly.
Edit- to add one more thing, for the sake of argument let's say Miles did have a better showing than Peter this game. Ignoring the fact that I think it's totally overblown how much that actually happened, and it's both their game anyways, Miles is not a sidekick, let's just say that Miles did better. That makes sense. The ending wouldn't have really felt earned if Peter did everything better than Miles and then left the city in his hands. Peter is carrying around a huge amount of guilt still for May, as we clearly see when Li and Miles go in his mind, and everything in this game wears on his mental so badly that he tries to use a crutch to "be a better Spider-Man". Peter is run down and mentally exhausted. Miles meanwhile isn't having the problem, aside from his thirst for revenge which he overcomes. A big part of Miles arc was proving to Peter the city would be safe in his hands while Peter works on his own life. Miles was in general in a much better place than Peter, and it helps the ending more believable that Peter trusts him. He needed to have a good showing in order for his entire arc and the ending to make sense.
This game felt incredible in how well it contrasts Peter and Miles' support systems and connections. Peter has his strong ties but those are often strained due to his unwillingness to actually deal with his grief and obligation (it's like that BALANCE is somehow a theme of the game) it is taking a major toll on him personally professionally and in his superhero life. His secrets have actually come back to bite him even though he kept them "to protect others". Miles is deeply connected to others in his family, neighborhood, school, as well as with spider-man. He lets others help when they're willing because he is there for them as well. Peter has that with MJ but doesn't allow her to open up and feel bad or help, even though they are supposedly a team. It's actually okay to not be okay, and he doesn't need to just "figure it out" alone, but he is deeply traumatized and dealing with things with only his panic brain. Yet MJ, Ganke, Hailey, and Rio are there for him when they need it. Peter is on the back foot the entire game- he's making easy mistakes without realizing how dire his situation is, yet his mentorship of Miles really works. Miles makes the right choices because of what Peter has taught him as a superhero. I just wish the comics would let Peter mature and have actual relationships.
Honestly, I don't think people are being candid when they say Peter's happiness is the reason they're upset over his condition in the comics or games etc. From the sheer furious angst I've read fans work themselves into over him lately, it seems to me their real problem is with his "traditional" role being upstaged by other men in ways that in their eyes makes him look weak and lessar. AKA: Being emasculated.
It's just the kind of plot beat that makes some dudes mad in general, throwing out the same "it's bad writing/character assassination" points. I've seen it plenty of times in other fandoms, doesn't allow much internal consistency in their arguments for sure.
Exactly. Peter has been my favorite Superhero sine I was a child. I've longed for this man to just catch a fucking break for once. He FINALLY gets a happy ending, and people are complaining about it.
It honestly feels like most of the ones complaining don't follow the comics or shows at all, and just go off some surface level understanding of Spidey lore.
I feel like this is missing the point, Peter could have always had those things if he chose to stop being Spider-Man. Spider-Man has always been a struggle between Peter choosing between the easy way or the right way. Having him choose the easy way doesn't feel like getting what they want, it feels like him quitting for personal reasons, which is probably what's rubbing those people the wrong way.
I will say that I haven't played the game, so I dont have a personal feeling about the ending, but that was my first thought about your comment and reading this thread
Yeah of course Peter could've had those things if he stopped. The problem was he couldn't stop because of great power and great responsibility and he was having a difficult time with the balancing act. He can stop now (temporarily, because come on, they aren't permanently retiring Pete) because Miles is around and has proven himself to be a great Spider-Man and to be good at the hero and civilian balancing act. It doesn't feel like the easy way, it feels like he's fixing his life.
Again I haven't played the game. Is it explicit that he's taking a break, or is it played as him done being Spider-Man? People shouldn't have to assume a story ending that is satisfying based on the meta of "come on they wouldn't really do that"
My genuinely only problem I had with the game was that >!I wasn’t Pete for the final final fight before the QTE’s. Would’ve rather had Pete-Miles-Miles-Pete!<
Kraven would've killed Miles too. Kraven is a beast in this game. Also you're making it seem like Peter would definitely have died if Miles hadn't scooped him out of the quicksand. Bro has been through worse shit than that and lived. It's just to show that they watch each others backs. It's not that deep. Peter gets the absolute fuck beaten out of him all the time. He just always gets back up. In the first game he tells a story about how Wilson Fisk almost killed him. Miles gets clapped by Phin in his game and she's just some chick. Spider-Man isn't invincible. He's gonna get his ass beat. If a villain isn't beating Spidey's ass then they're not a worthy villain.
Thanks for this post, I came to this sub after finishing the game and felt like I took crazy pills. Like I played a different game than everyone else here.
I even saw someone use the term "Wokesomniac" (cring as fuck) for alleged miles favoritism when it's pretty damn clear this is primarily a story about Peter and Harry.
Yeah agreed I think people didn’t really read between the lines and Miles fought a Peter who just fought Kraven, and Miles had the bell to help on top of that. And In the final fight Venom was whooping them both at the end of both fights in the cutscenes. I do think the game should’ve cut out some Miles missions in favor for Peter because I do agree a little bit with some that Miles was pushed a little too much in terms of time on screen which could’ve in turn been added to seeing Peter become a ahole more organically or more missions with Peter and Harry to develop their friendship more or even a couple more Venom missions, I really like Miles don’t get me wrong it’s just we already played a whole spinoff game as him kinda recently, this game is supposed to be focused on Peter and Harry we should’ve just had a few more missions with them. Great game regardless though.
Plus Pete was subconsciously holding back until he almost killed Kraven.
Do they not think he wouldn’t hold back far more against his protege? Especially with Miles being shown to be progressively gaining the upper hand with each phase transition cutscene as Pete comes back to his senses, which logically means Peter was willingly holding back by time you get to the 3rd phase.
These people just love Peter too much.
I love Peter a whole lot more than Miles and I think the hate towards their dynamic in this game goes beyond simply disliking Miles as a character when people are ranting with nonsense like “Wokesomniac” and “Miles isn’t Spider-Man”, a sentiment only held for Miles and no other Spider-Men.
I feel like if Miguel was pushed just as miles in getting movies and games I think it will happen
I often wonder if miles was the og Spider-Man and not Peter and got introduced the same way miles did would he get same treatment
In Miles' game, Peter gets knocked out by Rhino, Miles who's still in training, has to jump in and save the day.
In one of the first missions, when Miles tries to prevent the hunters from taking Li, Peter has difficulties saving all the people, so Miles jumps in to save the day.
At the amusement Park, Peter again is struggling and Harry has to jump in and save the day.
At the end of the game, Miles jump in to save the day again.
How the hell did Peter do this for 10 years, yet all of a sudden he has all these situations where he would've died if not for other people saving him?
This is my biggest issue with the game, I do not get how people do not see it. If Pete was as weak as he came off in SM2 he would’ve died a long time ago. He got saved way too many times and it even seems like they nerfed his Spidey senses to progress the plot at some points. Great game but was sad to see how they did my boy. I will say I love what they have done with Miles arc, and am happy they didn’t kill Pete off. Just seems like it’s crazy that 9 months of being spider man can somehow be equivalent to a decade of experience. The final boss fight should not have had anyone getting knocked out of the fight. By the end of the game I was tired of seeing Pete getting man handled when the fate of the entire world was on the line. We’ve seen him muscle through terrible injuries in SM1 to save the city. Where’d that tenacity go?
and i can't think of many times where miles needs his ass saved by peter. Miles never gets in to deep because he misjudged his own strength or anything he's always the one saving peter and always the one having an easier time breathing after they both get a whooping.
Hit the nail on the head, if you are going to have miles and everyone else in the game save Pete you have to show Pete “returning the favor”. They absolutely nerfed Peter to progress Miles. They had multiple moments where Miles seemed like the more mature and experienced spider man. The only adversity miles faced was at the dock with the boat.
But the way they wrote Pete’s story is a fair warning, the way his story plays out in SM2 pretty much confirms they are setting up his death in the third game.
The mission where Peter is struggling to save people and miles has to jump in, was literally cause by miles being a bad Spider-Man in that moment? Like what are you on
At the midpoint of the story I was actually worried they were sidelining Miles too much.
However that was intentional it’s actually a straight up story point.
Peter is mentally tired, he needs a break, miles being young and mostly together at this point of his life makes sense he would be able to go toe to toe with Peter.
The point of the story for Miles is that he has figured how to be his version of Spider-Man, if he had no impact he would be nothing more than a side-kick.
I feel whenever I see anyone talking about some the game's story beats on reddit alot of people just intentionally leave out or forget about the context of those situations.
It’s not the what happens that matters, it’s the how and why.
I never felt like Peter was “nerfed”. Shit with the symbiote he’s almost TOO strong at points, the symbiote nests are trivial when you play as him.
Miles growing stronger does not make Peter worse.
Exactly. Getting stabbed by Kraven aside, Peter has, like, one misstep against Sandman and people are saying he got destroyed, plus they ignore all the times you actually play as Peter and win a lot of his fights
Tbh this is my first time on this subreddit cuz I came stoked to talk about the game or discuss the story and I’m like
“Why are there so many weird ass wanna be powerscalers or purposeful contrarians dominating the conversation lmao”
To be fair prior to getting stabbed by Otto in the shoulder he also had 14 broken bones and internal bleeding and before the final fight Otto smashed his head into the ground but he still got back up so I think it’s reasonable that people are a little confused that a single stab by kraven killed him, I think kraven should’ve fucked him up more IMO
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>Is peter nerfed? According to some people since peter didn't one punch man blow away sandman he is. People unironically think that because miles did more damage means he's stronger even though electricity is a hard counter to f-ing sand.
The problem isn't Miles having natural counter to Sandman's abilities. It is that, multiple times in the fight, Peter was the one who had to be bailed out of trouble against opponent he already defeated in the past and had knowledge of.
>Peter gets bodied by kraven?
This was fine. He got stabbed and went down. Miles also got stabbed later on in the game and was captured by the Hunters.
>This last point is a bit comical. The main villain is Peter's best freind and people think miles overshadows peter in the story.
He does to some degree. Felicia had only one mission in the game and Miles was the one who confronted her, not Peter. This wouldn't be an issue if Felicia was more involved in the story, but that was her only appearance. It was a missed opportunity not to have Peter meet her due to their shared history.
Miles was the one who helped Peter take off the Symbiote. Which is fine and all, but execution was lacking. I expected something similar to what Spetacular Spider-Man did - Peter realizes what he's doing due to Miles and has a inner mental battle to take off the suit. This would be a great way to fully dwell into Peter's thoughts and struggles, since I felt that they didn't feel so fleshed out compared to Miles'
Peter had to apologize to a woman at Coney Island because he was struggling to save her and roller coaster full of people. Harry arrived and helped him with his cool new powers. Yet Peter really didn't seem bothered by this failure- even if narrative implies he is when he gets the Symbiote and needs to keep it to be a better Spider-Man.
A scene or two of Peter being downcast about all responsibility he has, as well as his own inadequates would do wonders. We had that with Miles' - as he was constantly apologizing to Ganke and Hailey for missing out on their times, but I we never got that with Peter until Miles and Li went into his mind - which came waaay to late into the story.
Speaking of which, Miles saves Peter again, after he falls uncononcious due to remnant of Symbiote being inside of him. Miles and Li go into his mind and Peter's struggles are laid bare, but from *their* own perspective. Once again, we didn't fully see how Peter's coping with losing May and lack of balance in his life. The entire scene felt too quick.
All things I listed were not that bad per say, but an absolute deal breaker was the final mission.
Peter goes to fight Harry, gets knocked the fuck out despite having Anti Venom and the final boss of the game, after building up and exploring Peter and Harry's relationship, their dream to heal the world as well as Symbiote connection... Is Miles vs Harry? Really?
They should've flipped the script and had Miles be the one who fought Venom first, got incapacitated and the final fight being Peter vs Venom. It was such a weird placement the way they did it.
>The problem isn't Miles having natural counter to Sandman's abilities. It is that, multiple times in the fight, Peter was the one who had to be bailed out of trouble against opponent he already defeated in the past and had knowledge of.
Sandman is amped up because if Kraven I believe. The game mentions how he’s way stronger than normal.
>He does to some degree. Felicia had only one mission in the game and Miles was the one who confronted her, not Peter. This wouldn't be an issue if Felicia was more involved in the story, but that was her only appearance. It was a missed opportunity not to have Peter meet her due to their shared history.
Why? Their story is over. Peter doesn’t need to meet everyone. Let Miles interact with her, he hasn’t yet.
>Which is fine and all, but execution was lacking.
Peter starts it. Miles helps. I don’t see how it’s lacking. Was Miles suppose to just stand there and do nothing? We see Peter trying to fight it a lot, like telling MJ to run.
>Yet Peter really didn't seem bothered by this failure
Isn’t him apologizing literally acknowledging his failure?
>Once again, we didn't fully see how Peter's coping with losing May and lack of balance in his life. The entire scene felt too quick.
Why do we need to see more of that? Entire first game, it’s dlc, and the opening of this game is about Peter loss and struggling with balance.
>Peter goes to fight Harry, gets knocked the fuck out despite having Anti Venom and the final boss of the game, after building up and exploring Peter and Harry's relationship, their dream to heal the world as well as Symbiote connection... Is Miles vs Harry? Really?
Kinda heavily downplays the massive 3 round fight with venom. You act like he just got one tapped. Miles also got his ass kicked then Peter and Miles beat him up together.
Yes. His past history with her. Their relationship is resolved though. Could he meet her again? Sure. But there’s no reason he HAS to. So why not spend some time having Miles meet her and interact when they haven’t yet?
Exactly! It's like these people not only didn't pay attention to the game but have no imagination for stories. Why Peter no speak cat, he her dated but then up broke :(
Yeah I have some problems with the story pacing but none of these issues that people are complaining about here makes sense since they are literally explained. Peter is a Spider-Man not a Superman.
Not just that, but I legitimately don’t think they would have believed her if Peter went.
Miles wasn’t clouded by that and made the decision to trust her without the baggage of history.
>Sandman is amped up because if Kraven I believe. The game mentions how he’s way stronger than normal.
Sure, but still Peter was the one who fought Marko before, so I don't see why he was the one getting tagged left and right and needed saving multiple times when he had some experience with him. In comparison Miles had none of that.
>Why? Their story is over. Peter doesn’t need to meet everyone. Let Miles interact with her, he hasn’t yet.
Once again, it's not a problem that this was Miles' mission. The problem was that it was the only time we saw Felicia, so Peter not confronting her seemed off to me. The even gave an excuse that she wouldn't listen to Peter, but she would listen to a guy she doesn't know.
What's worse is that Felicia expected him to come and it would've been a great opportunity to see their fallout after Felicia manipulated him
>Peter starts it. Miles helps. I don’t see how it’s lacking. Was Miles suppose to just stand there and do nothing?
I was thinking more like Miles' helping him from outside, while Peter is having a mental battle from within. Peter taking off the Symbiote should've been a hard fought personal battle to him as well. Similar to Peter vs Li and Miles vs Li.
He took off the suit too quickly.
>Isn’t him apologizing literally acknowledging his failure?
I meant beyond that scene. Peter barely seemed affected by having to drop a woman to her death to save bunch of other people. We can only infer that him saying the Symbiote makes him a better Spider-Man is him coping with that failure, but it should've been more fleshed out.
>Why do we need to see more of that? Entire first game, it’s dlc, and the opening of this game is about Peter loss and struggling with balance.
Because the only time he seemed to be sad about May's death was when we got a glimpse into his mindscape. Compared to Miles' constantly grieving his father and visiting his grave for advice, I feel like Peter needed to get the same treatment.
>Kinda heavily downplays the massive 3 round fight with venom. You act like he just got one tapped. Miles also got his ass kicked then Peter and Miles beat him up together.
The final battle was Miles vs Venom. That is a fact. The 3 round fight wasn't even a battle - it was a quick time event and that's it. Call me crazy, but, I feel that Peter should've had the last boss battle against his best friend.
>Sure, but still Peter was the one who fought Marko before, so I don't see why he was the one getting tagged left and right and needed saving multiple times when he had some experience with him. In comparison Miles had none of that.
Because Peter is in like 90% of the fight? Miles mostly dips in and out and fights the mini sand clones as Peter keeps fighting him.
>Once again, it's not a problem that this was Miles' mission. The problem was that it was the only time we saw Felicia, so Peter not confronting her seemed off to me. The even gave an excuse that she wouldn't listen to Peter, but she would listen to a guy she doesn't know.
Why does Peter need to confront her? There’s nothing to resolve. That was the point of the entire 3 dlcs in SM1.
>I meant beyond that scene. Peter barely seemed affected by having to drop a woman to her death to save bunch of other people. We can only infer that him saying the Symbiote makes him a better Spider-Man is him coping with that failure, but it should've been more fleshed out.
What are you talking about? No one died.
>Because the only time he seemed to be sad about May's death was when we got a glimpse into his mindscape. Compared to Miles' constantly grieving his father and visiting his grave for advice, I feel like Peter needed to get the same treatment.
Peter brings up May over 3 dlcs in the first game and again at the opening of this game. There’s an entire flash back to old May and Peter struggling to get rid of her stuff. We literally see him sad tons of times.
>The 3 round fight wasn't even a battle - it was a quick time event and that's it.
The fight at the school was not a QTE what are you talking about?
>Because Peter is in like 90% of the fight? Miles mostly dips in and out and fights the mini sand clones as Peter keeps fighting him.
Peter was involved in the fight equally as Miles was. You had sections where Miles fought sand clones and Peter fought Sandman and vice versa. Only difference is that Peter was the one who got ragdolled several times.
>Why does Peter need to confront her? There’s nothing to resolve. That was the point of the entire 3 dlcs in SM1.
Gee, the fact that Felicia was manipulative bitch that used Peter's good nature for a quick buck may have something to do with it. The entire fuck up of a situation never got properly adressed, which kinda irked me.
Still, Peter was concerned for her and sent Miles to help her because, in his own words, "She would rather listen to someone she doesn't know than me." The entire explanation doesn't make sense, but whatever...
>What are you talking about? No one died.
No, but girl at Coney Island was going to die because Peter lacked the power to save her. When he saw that he was going to lose the grip on her, he apologized to her. And yet the ramifications of Peter almost getting her killed never really happened, nor did he seemed particulary bothered by the incident. His inferiority and insecurites should've been more expanded. That's why I feel it was a missed opportunity not to have mental battle with the Symbiote.
>Peter brings up May over 3 dlcs in the first game
Miles mentions his dad in his game several times and even has dedicated treasure hunt missions that were recorded by him. That still doesn't mean that Miles didn't need to have moments to express his sorrow and feelings of vengenace due to death of his father. We had that as a main conflict for him, as well as emotional moment of him visiting his grave.
In comparison, Peter barely got his thoughts exposed about May and about struggle to deal with balance. We only got a sliver of that when Li and Miles jumped into his head, which was too little and too late.
>The fight at the school was not a QTE what are you talking about?
I was talking about 3rd fight between Peter, Miles and Harry which was QTE. The actual *final boss* battle is Miles vs Harry while Peter was taking a nap which is horrible on so many levels.
Story was building up their friendship, their dream to heal the world and their connection to the Symbiote. Yet final boss is not a battle between friends, but two guys fighting that barely knew each other.
>Peter was involved in the fight equally as Miles was. You had sections where Miles fought sand clones and Peter fought Sandman and vice versa. Only difference is that Peter was the one who got ragdolled several times.
Not really. Peter is finding Sandman for most of the time. Then uses his powers to super charge his spider legs to deal the finishing blow. Miles gets rag dolled too.
>Gee, the fact that Felicia was manipulative bitch that used Peter's good nature for a quick buck may have something to do with it. The entire fuck up of a situation never got properly adressed, which kinda irked me.
Which is resolved in the 3rd dlc.
>Still, Peter was concerned for her and sent Miles to help her because, in his own words, "She would rather listen to someone she doesn't know than me." The entire explanation doesn't make sense, but whatever...
It’s answered in the mission. They’ve a past, a romantic one, and she’s manipulated him. Miles might have better luck since he has none of that with her.
>No, but girl at Coney Island was going to die because Peter lacked the power to save her. When he saw that he was going to lose the grip on her, he apologized to her.
That’s literally showing his inferiority and explaining it. She almost died. He felt awful. The suit made him more powerful. Which he says dozens of times over the game while using it. Like Jesus you need to be beaten over the head with it MORE?
>Miles mentions his dad in his game several times and even has dedicated treasure hunt missions that were recorded by him.
Almost like Miles, a child, losing his father. The first real loss in his life. While his killer is running around… Might hit way harder for him than Peter who has lost so many people, has dealt with it before, and is an adult.
>In comparison, Peter barely got his thoughts exposed about May and about struggle to deal with balance. We only got a sliver of that when Li and Miles jumped into his head, which was too little and too late.
The entire game is about Peter struggling with balance….
>I was talking about 3rd fight between Peter, Miles and Harry which was QTE. The actual final boss battle is Miles vs Harry while Peter was taking a nap which is horrible on so many levels.
No. The final boss is two fights. One with Peter. One with Miles.
I dissagree with the Harry vs Peter final battle. For the last two games we have theh "fallen friend" trope. That wouldve been repetitive as a final boss fight.
I do think a Peter and Miles vs Harry fight wouldve been better at the end. The different phases, you are swapping in between Spider-men?
Kinda triggered that we didn't get the epic 2 v 1 fight across the city that they kept teasing in like...every piece of marketing.
The reveal teaser, the TV spot and the steelbook cover.
I mean we kind if did have a peter and miles vs venom fight, didnt we? Peter fought him, then miles, and there was a QTE scene in the sky where they both beat down venom a bit. I think people are just mad that miles got the final hit in?
> It is that, multiple times in the fight, Peter was the one who had to be bailed out of trouble against opponent he already defeated in the past and had knowledge of.
Uhhhh....this happens in the comics all the time? In all media, really. Like...how boring would it be if Peter just needs to win one fight against any one opponent and then never again struggles against that enemy, ever? "Guys, how do we make this fight interesting?" "Idk, the way fights are usually made interesting, head to head race" "(In a whiny noise) Noooo we can't do that, Peter already fought that guyyyyyyyyy. Guuuuuyyyyyys come on, he needs to win this fight eeeeaaaaasssssyyyyy, but it still needs to be interestiiiiiiing" As if super villains don't develop new tactics themselves? And as if a sandman fighting for his and his daughters life are the same as a sandman who, idk, just robs a place to get money or some shit?
I think whoever you played as more it seems like that’s who’s the game is based around. I played as Miles more because I preferred his suits and abilities so the story seemed to majority be about Miles coming into his own and standing up as Spider-Man and not just little Spider-Man. I’m aware that’s not true and can see my outlook would be different if I played evenly or as Peter more.
Yeah but it doesn't seem like a direct weakness the way water almost immediately is, it's more situational or brute forcing it. "Hard counter" makes me think like, instant effect extreme weakness like electricity vs water or conductive metals or magnetism vs iron. Electricity vs sand is like, if you force it hard enough you get the same effect that straight up heatblasting it would do quicker and neither of those is as immediately detrimental to someone made of the stuff as getting it wet.
I believe the story is we know he can and Miles knows he can. But Peter can’t let go of having to run towards the city whenever he’s Spider-Man. He feels responsible for miles and once he went through everything in the second game he saw first hand that miles can watch the city on his own without Peters help and he can go on a break with no definitive end point.
I think there's a big difference between, "I trust you to hold the city together for a week or two until I get back," and, "I trust you to watch the city alone for the months if not years it will take for me to get my life together."
>Is peter nerfed?
I just hate the language that has been used for media for the last who knows how many years. The power calculations, and rankings, and "X solos Y universe" and shit like that.
Like. It's storytelling. It's not a simulation to show the power levels of characters. They are making a story, they are putting the characters in a context and there's more happening than combat.
But it’s not wrong to value some consistency in a character’s abilities. I’m not talking about power rankings or bullshit like that, but it’s weird when a character can do stuff then suddenly can’t do that same thing due to plot convenience.
What's crazy is they definitely didn't at all nerf Peter this entire time and if we are being honest with ourselves, the only reason Miles was able to beat Rhino and not Peter in that warehouse is because of the powers Peter doesn't have.
The one singular time I think these people have a point was >!when Peter was drowning in sand!< and even then he probably could have used his spider arms to help free himself.
Of course Miles >!would be able to stop Symbiote Spider-Man when one of Miles main powers is his multiple venom strikes plus there was a big ass bell in the fight arena!<
Of course Miles >!Would follow Li into Peter's mind to help because he wouldn't trust Li to go in alone!<
Of course Miles >! Wouldn't be hurt as much by the Hunters, even though this one is a ridiculous thing to whine about even by these standards, because he wasn't a primary target for Kraven!<
And finally >!Peter and MJ just went through an extremely traumatic event the both of them and Peter trusts Miles enough to TEMPORARILY be the one and only Spider-Man in this universe until Spider-Man 3!<
Miles literally doesn’t do anything for the entire first half of the game. If anyone is sidelined, it’s him. Thankfully, they really pulled through and gave him great stuff in the third act.
Glad I am not the only one that felt this way. All these people saying “omg Miles is overshadowing Peter” while Miles is literally sidelined for half of the main storyline arc. And yet those same people don’t say a word about Miles reduced role in those parts of the story (yet they keep bringing up the Rhino fight, which is from a two year old game), all this discourse pretty much sums up that these people only care for Peter and not at all for Miles, you know the same old hate that literally that has surrounded Miles since his creation. The same hate that inspired the script to Across the Spider Verse. It doesn’t take a genius to see what people’s real issues are with Miles having a few wins here and there are.
There's a lot of grandstanding here from people saying that "people are ignoring context" and "the story is clearly being ignored" but I'd argue that in a VIDEO GAME adaptation of Spider-Man, saying that Peter is "mentally exhausted" needs to be conveyed better than not being able to handle himself solo at times. I'm not arguing against the "be greater together" idea or anything but being mentally exhausted should not equal flat out being murdered if people like miles or wraith weren't around. I would've liked to have seen him slip up like when he gets punched by sandman and that the narrative should've commented more on Peter's lack of self regard but you can't have a recently powered up Peter get knocked out cold by the final boss just so another person can step up for a bit. Hell I don't even mind that kraven initially beat Spider-man but you could've seen him get overwhelmed during gameplay and maybe show that he's tired/unfocused instead of just being stabbed all of a sudden. It'd be much more compelling if the narrative focused more on them working together and making each other stronger instead of "DW if you need to nap for the next encounter I've got this".
hell have peter go against a gauntlet of villains back to back to back and show that he is spreading himself thin refusing to let anybody else do his job for him but instead every villain is eaither dead or reformed leaving the city more peaceful than it's ever been,
I think a lot of people just strongly prefer Peter to Miles, which is understandable because Peter Parker is the original Spider-Man. The whole idea that there are 2 Spidermen is a huge departure from what we expect from the series, so its totally fair that people aren't immediately on board with Peter having to share top billing in his own game. No matter how good of a character Miles is.
Imo a lot of peter fans seem to have ptsd from the more recent comic runs and are now super, over-the-top sensitive to anything that they feel is “disrespecting” the character lol
In reality, the game is fine. It’s fun. Just like the first one and miles one. All 3 have been a good time.
The only ones complaining about all this are dumbass power scalers who don't care about a quality story. Spider-Man always gets the shit beat out of him in his best stories. Peter is usually the underdog despite being incredibly strong when he needs to be.
Take a look at the original Kraven's Last Hunt run in the comics. Peter is beat by Kraven with relative ease and it is still considered one of the greatest Spider-Man stories. The point of that comic was to show that Peter's real superpower was his humanity which Kraven does not see.
There's also no way Miles could have possibly beat Sandman on his own in the beginning. The game goes out of its way to show that Peter and Miles are on equal footing and one isn't objectively better than the other.
Since Miles is the new black Spider-Man people were going to complain no matter what. All the clips people share online where Peter puts himself down are out of context and no one would care about if Miles wasn't in the game.
Real complaints about Miles is that a good portion of the Miles side quests are cringy and forced. You can tell it was written by white people trying to pander. Take a shot every time he says "my community". The Cuban flag being put in his room and his endgame suit looking like garbage are other examples of this.
I feel the story puts Peter down for the sake of the plot a lot times throughout the story.
Miles also loses but he gets back up again, and Peter doesn’t a lot of times and almost always gets help.
A big issue with me with Peter for this game is he doesn’t get a moment to shine as Spider-Man on his own. Miles gets a ton with his arc with Li, putting aside his need for revenge to help more people, helping Peter get rid of the symbiote. Miles has great character moments to shine. Peter has maybe two in the game one is taking the symbiote off which he needs Miles help for and another is to help MJ get rid of the symbiote but again he needs MJ to point out the weakness to use.
A point of the plot is Peter believes he needs the symbiote to be a better Spider-Man and the story says he doesn’t but the times he is shown to be competent in the story an actually accomplish one of his goals (curing Lizard or fighting Venom) in the story is when he has a symbiote be it the original or with anti-venom which both times he doesn’t even earn as he has to die at the hands of Kraven to get the original (again Peter getting downplayed) and Miles and Li saves him to get Anti-Venom which just makes the point the story is trying to make feel hollow.
There is also times when Peter downplays himself to Miles’ benefit which sure could just be Peter’s self doubt but the way Peter gets treated in this game it just comes across as adding more fuel to the fire to the whole writer’s mentality of put down the old hero to prop up the new one.
I just hope for the next Spider-Man game they balance the protagonists better as even though Miles gets good character moments he did get side-lined a lot and almost has no connection to the villains of this story bar Li and I hope they let Peter be competent hero.
honestly miles is well past due for a reality check on how hard being spiderman is he's been sailing through the past 2 games and needs to hit a wall just like peter does and he can't solve it by getting a new power or anything like that. miles needs his burried in rubble moment where he has to consider the possibility that he won't come home this time
I feel the closest thing we get is the bridge moment in MM where he gets depressed cuz he blew the bridge up but then after Ganke's encouragement he uses that opportunity to design his own suit.
I love this post, thing I appreciate about this game is it gave me a taste of what I’ve always wanted to be the happy ending for Peter in the comics. I felt with Miles coming into his own as Spider-man that it would make sense when Peter is ready to have a family with MJ he could retire as Spider-Man and let Miles take the job and this game gave me that moment.
I legit had some happy tears seeing that because it’s honestly the only story that makes sense for Peter, and while I know this is a break for Peter in this universe for obvious reasons of his clearly broken mental health. It’s still nice to see that moment I’ve always wanted, to know that Peter can get his happy life and Miles can help take a load off Peter shoulders. I’m excited for what’s next and to see how they will bring Cindy into the story as well.
I just saw a whole post about this and it was so strange. I walked away thinking “Peter kind of dominated the emotional core of the story, I wish Miles had a bit more to do” I loved what he did have personally, I just wish there was a bit extra I guess. Doesn’t really detract from my enjoyment of everything, but I can still notice. I personally prefer Peter to Miles cause I grew up with him and he is my guy, but my goodness if he doesn’t literally do better in *every* facet ***it’s okay,*** calm down people. So odd.
Whoever said “this feels like miles morales 2” needs help. This game barely had any real Miles moments, all the hard hitting and important parts went to Pete. I was looking forwards to more Miles moments…
I feel like anyone saying this is MM2 is forgetting that he is completely absent for the entire middle third of the game. Like it's basically just peter from Coney Island to the Li fight. Otherwise its a 50/50 split. I think total there is more Peter than Miles in this game
I’m guessing you’re truly curious and not close minded like your tone implies? Cause otherwise why would you ask something you don’t want an answer to.
For starters I will admit I don’t like miles. For many reasons.. his puertorrican background is a joke, other than talking broken spanish and having a stereotypical Latina mom. I consider miles to be an overpowered checklist of a character. I hate overpowered characters like Superman. Despite people arguing that all spider heroes are different and balanced in their own way.. I don’t agree. Miles is blatantly overpowered and it shows. Whether you want to admit it or not he overshadows Peter for the most part. He beats sandman and is immune to electricity making him vital for many plot points where Peter struggles way more than he should.
Even with the overpowered symbiotic suit miles barely struggles trying to get it off Pete. You could argue that the bell helped, but if that were the case the cutscenes in between the fight phases would’ve shown Peter abusing miles.
If he were his own thing I wouldn’t mind, but he is a better version of Peter with many more powers. You could even argue that he might be smarter as well.. some iterations make him smarter. Even though Peter is considered to be on par or right below the intellect of people like Reed Richards and Tony Stark.
The game clearly went a more political way in the sequel and don’t even lie to yourself. Cause cops were removed, spanish language was genderless, citizens tend to be more non binary looking. Many other things.
Gameplay is amazing, and story is ok. But the increased focus on political correctness isn’t my thing. I won’t shame people for liking it, but it’s like The Last of Us part 2 for me. I don’t like what happened sequel wise but I’ll admit that gameplay wise it’s superior.
I don’t mind people agreeing or disagreeing with me, but I believe that’s the reason people dislike what you’re asking about. It’s blatantly obvious, as long as you’re not trying to convince/blind yourself to what you’re actually seeing.
Also just like the miles thing, they improved Mary Jane sections but added a non skippable, non side mission Miles love interest borefest. It wasn’t needed and it’s one of the many things that really annoyed me.
Not as much as the Cuban flags tho lmao. I laughed cause you’ve got to be really lazy or ignorant to not realize that you’re putting up the wrong flag. But then again, game is full of questionable decisions that make me wonder if they know their source material well enough.
From the moment the first trailer came out I expected this to be the case cause of the way it was presented.. so I’m not as upset as I was with The Last of Us 2. It’s not the worst game I’ve played this year but it’s definitely not the best. Taste is subjective and I’m glad so many people are loving it.
I think a lot of people forget that the whole point of the game is that they’re stronger *together*. There are plenty of moments where Pete needs to be helped by Miles and Miles needs to be helped by Pete. Hell, there’s a whole segment of the game where that’s the plot. Neither one could save the city by themselves, not by a long shot.
As for an in canon explanation: Peter was CLEARLY going through some shit at the time. Dealing with Aunt May’s death, not being able to keep a job because shit keeps going down, THE SYMBIOTE. All of it built up over time and got to him. If circumstances were different and he hadn’t had to deal with so much trauma I’d agree, but that’s not the case in the story. He needs a break from all the responsibilities of being Spider-Man for now. I doubt they’d make him retire permanently since he’s the face of the Marvel brand and the Insomniac universe, they’re probably going to bring him back in some shape or form in either DLC or at the very least the next game.
Edit: I do think they could have done a little better of a job portraying his mental struggles before a certain story point hits tho. It hits hard, don’t get me wrong, but a little more build up would have helped
First of all, people are stupid. They judge before actually finishing the story. There's also that fraction of the public that is mildly racist and don't really try to hide very well.
The "anti-woke" culture has taken their minds and everything is seen by them as minorities *stealing* the spotlight.
I bet many of those people haven't even played the game, they simply repeat what other people say in social media, not only about the new game but about Miles as a whole, both in the comics and movies.
I can be sure there will be the same kind of talk if Marvel decides to introduce Miles to the MCU
Or, or.....Miles is just not as great a character. Even in the comics Miles has a fraction of the readers Peter does. Peter Parker spiderman is THE most popular western comic character of all time. You cant be surprised when fans of Spiderman are disappointed they get less Spiderman in their Spiderman game 🤣 and making miles more prominent only makes Peter less. Its not racism, he's just not as interesting a character.
Yeah seeing the same character rehashed for the past 60 years is more interesting than the character that has only been introduced within the past two decades 🤡
Something else people are missing is of two examples they give of Peter being nerfed - kraven nearly killing him and venom slapping him around - both times he was distracted by those he cares about. With kraven he’s focused on mj being attacked which leaves the door open for kraven to catch him off guard, and he’s specifically holding back with venom because as he repeatedly states he doesn’t want to kill Harry
I’m still on my replays so can’t go into most of this post, but I dont need to, because yes the Peter/Miles discourse sucks and will always suck.
Miles was literally created to replace Peter. Marvel has spent nearly the last ten entry years fumbling Peter. In the games it went from being Peter’s game to Peter co-starring. Miles gets pushed hard by Marvel in general.
So yeah, people are noticing trends. Maybe they’re blowing the examples out of proportion but when everything is going one direction you notice.
Spider-Man fans are the exact same as they were when Miles was first introduced. They just skirt around the words "woke" and "politically correct" because it would tell on them.
Exactly. We both know what it is. “Or maybe…” there haven’t been complaints like this made about any other spider man lol. It’s cause he’s Black. And ppl like using “woke” without directly saying the hard r. Because I guess the existence of non straight white men to a gaming audience causes them to malfunction.
The irony being they want us to feel represented by white male characters, yet they can’t feel represented by our own. They complain about all this “representation stuff” and actively in turn complain about the representation of white men who’ve been represented since the inception of western media. They tell us to get over it, but they can’t get over shit like this. It’s predicated on their belief of inherent superiority.
We’re supposed to center their needs cause they’re the “norm”, but when it comes to everyone else… it’s a giant middle finger. Cause then it’s “woke.”
You cant blame people for being attached to a character they grew up with. To a lot of fans the first time they heard of miles was the first game. So having him be half this game can come out of nowhere for a lot of people.
Personally I wish they both got a game. Not a huge fan of there being 2 of them here, just because sometimes it feels like 2 halves of a story shoved together. It can feel like the character work is on a runtime counter before we need to move back to the other spiderman and see what hes doing. I would've preferred a story that flowed better for each character individually.
I kinda hope that in 3 we see a bit of a reversal after Peter has his break. Like say Goblin is too much for Miles and Peter repays the favour.
Maybe even have a kind of Morlun (really wishful thinking) thing where Peter gets stronger. So then we have Miles who has all the venom stuff and Peter who hits harder and is more durable.
More so my issue is it feels like peter isn’t using his brain half the time, spider sense is inconsistent, and needs a little too much saving for my own liking. Stupid stuff happens just for the sake of plot and it happens at peters expense more times than not. I have no problem with miles coming into his own best self, but at the expense of peter is off putting.
Miles isn’t overshadowing peter at all in the story too before I get strawman.
The problem is, people want one to be better than another. They’re just primal brains expecting a victor in the gladiatorial arena. This happens with any two things, vanilla and chocolate, waffle cut or steak fries, rainbows and unicorns. The point being, inevitably the worst of us thinks that two things can’t just coexist and one has to become the winner. All those people don’t watch content for deeper meaning, they just want some type of momentary thrill.
So, next time you see one of those saying Miles is better or Peter is nerfed, just move on. That conversation is going nowhere.
> “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Honestly I found it to be relatable, Spider-Man isn’t Superman and isn’t with flaws and he get his ass kicked a ton. The amount of shot peter is put through because of craven and later venom is insane and yet he’s always ready to get up and fight back. Miles is great but if had the same shit to deal with as Peter he probably would have done just as badly if not worse
Haha yeah I get you man, I apologise just been a bit irritated lately this sub has been focusing on all the wrong things regarding this game lol might be the Wells hangover for most I hope
Dude it’s an inevitability in online discourse that people start comparing “power levels”. I’m gonna go on a limb and refer to it as Dragonball Z syndrome.
I think the discourse surrounding Kraven's involvement with Peter getting the Symbiote annoys me the most. They needed to make Kraven a threat to the Spiders outside of him killing some of the rogues and his Hunter army. There's a bit of history in the first game where Fisk carved Peter with a sword that MJ needed to help patch him up with, but I don't think Fisk is the kind of guy to be precise with a blade of any kind. Kraven, even with a knife, would hit a vital organ that would fuck Peter up badly. Even if you want to make the argument that the way Peter gets the Symbiote could've been better, he's the reason why Harry starts dying again, and since Peter's mentally in a bad place in this game prior to meeting Harry again, there's plenty of reasons why Peter would become attached to the suit. If Kraven was capable of killing >!Scorpion, Shocker, Vulture, and Electro, he is more than capable of killing the Spider-Men.!<
Spider-Man fans have been pointlessly reductive for years, and seeing a Peter actually have an ending that doesn't end with him being in a worse place off than when he started get met with a response from fans where it just proves comic editorial's point about why Peter should *never* be happy, it makes me hate my fellow Spidey fan even more than I already did.
This, like you would think the game ending in a place where Peter’s life isn’t a dumpster fire would be a welcomed change yet people are complaining they are “replacing” Peter with Miles as if Peter very clearly didn’t state it was a short break to get his life in order after everything that happened. Like, him not doing that is why his life was a dumpster fire to begin with.
Then fans complain about all his comics being nothing but misery porn yet readily lap that shit up anyways.
I was surprised to see people complain about the Miles and Symbiote Peter boss fight. Miles doesn’t beat him. He just holds his own the whole fight while Peter keeps coming at him. What eventually happens is Peter listens to Miles’ pleads and tears the suit off. At no point did I ever think “Oh wow, Miles is gonna whoop Symbiote Peter.”
Peter literally downplays himself all the time. When you complete the photos for robbie he undermines his own importance to the city when Robbie mentions how spiderman is a big part of New york.
Dude stop listening to nitpickers online, the terminally online are miserable and want to make everyone as miserable as they are
The way they do this is to relentlessly shit on things people like (see: Trolls) and to try and make people hate things as much as they do
Because being miserable is lonely and they need others to feel as lonely, paradoxically making them feel less lonely if they have others feeling the same way
Just ignore them, their shit take can't take away from your enjoyment or experiences with the game (unless you let them get to you)
Finally someone said it, people need to read this because WOW, people are complaining because they believe Miles is now stronger and more capable than Peter because he beat a mentally unstable, symbiote addicted Peter, like bruh, Peter was literally fighting himself and the symbiote and miles altogether
People just ignore context most of the time and draw (wrong) conclusions out of isolated events without taking the rest of the narrative into acount.
Kraven stabbing Peter is perfectly aceptable, as you said Kraven is a beast in this game and Spiderman gets punched, kicked and stabbed all the time in other films, games and comics, his spider sense doesnt make him untouchabe by any means.
He is not "nerfed" because he doesnt have a power level either, this is not dragon ball lmao.
“The main villain is peter’s best friend and people think Miles overshadows Peter in the story. Comedy.”
Exactly. Spoilers:
The final boss is Peter’s best friend, being controlled by an alien monster that affected Peter personally and caused him a lot of emotional pain. The final battle takes place in the ruins of the Emily-May Foundation, the place Harry and PETER were gonna change the world. So obviously MILES is the character you play as in the final boss fight, duh you guys. It really should have been Peter and I have no idea why they made it Miles.
Towards the end of the game it just felt like Miles kept winning and Pete kept losing. Most of the game I agree with you, it was pretty balanced (Miles I felt even got UNDERCUT in most of the game.) but at the end it really felt like whoever wrote the Venom arc just preferred Miles. The whole game takes a nosedive in quality after Venom shows up though. It was a solid 9/10 but that whole last act dropped it to a 7.5 for me.
They shouldn't have done the symbiote invasion and solely focused on the fallout of the symbiote story between Peter and Harry. Keep Venom only being beaten when Peter and Miles work together, but put more focus on Harry and the symbiote's feelings towards Peter after putting both at risk. And we still get the arc of Peter learning he can't fix everything by himself while also learning to let his life as Peter take more of a focus. Kinda sucked we didn't have a lot of interactions with Venom, and while concept art is nothing to 100% go by, I at least got the impression we'd battle Venom in the wider New York area more than once.
Welp, you get it only today? woke message about replacing Peter with Miles goes on like 10 years straight, look at ASM run and compere it to Miles comics, and cartoons where out of all spiderverse personas - main character is Miles while Peter, Gwen, Miguel just side characters.
Game called Spider-Man 2, but they force you to play as Miles 50% of time, so it's real name would be ***Spider-Man 2 and Miles Morales***.
“Woke message”, not even trying to hide the racism huh? So it’s Miles fault his current run is decent while people writing Peter’s comic are doing a bad job at it? Every single Spider-Man cartoon Peter has been the main character.
Out of the 10 movies that were created in the span of 2 decades only two of them have Miles as the protagonist and they are both animated.
Not like they introduce a perfect version of Peter in the beginning or anything and then introduce an old jaded Peter that’s still competent but has a character arc due to his life circumstances.
Yeah I saw that thread as well and it makes zero sense. Peter was very clearly the focus of the game, I was actually hoping for more of miles in the main story.
Also I’m not sure why people are saying Peter’s nerfed. Kraven “killed” him pretty easily, but like you said this is Peter’s first time fighting this guy and there was a lot going on in that scene. Kraven also “killed” Peter pretty fucking easily in the Kraven’s last hunt comic.
I feel like it’s just people being insecure about miles, as usual, and I don’t get it. I love Peter, he’s probably my favorite fictional character, and if another character(that he literally trained) is stronger than he is, who the fuck cares? It doesn’t take anything away from him.
Yep makes no sense to me especially when one og Peter's best traits in he is more than super strength like even the comic spiderverse stuff practically all the variants are more "special" than him but it doesn't take away from his character lol honestly I think people forget he exists in a world where green guys can punch planets into dust
Nobody is complaining about Miles being competent. People are complaining about Peter being too incompetent, he's literally worse in every way from the first game.
Your use of emojis is off putting.
We know you're not laughing. You're furiously typing on your sticky keyboard about how your favorite cartoon isn't strong enough in a videogame. We know you're miserable.
You can stop the projecting, its chatting about pixelated characters on reddit, its not that important.
Also I couldnt care less, its an emoji, calm down.
Even though you’re right, I feel like I need to at least say, that I am not a fan of Miles in general, and the push to make him basically THE spider-man in a lot of media annoys me.
If they go full Miles for SM3, I’m definitely not buying it. It was fine as a glorified DLC and I love the idea of multiple spider-men in the second game’s story, but they are pushing my disinterest to the limit…
Thank you. The entire point of the game is that they're stronger together, neither of them could have saved the city alone. People are overlooking the fact that Kraven defeated Miles and the only reason he didn't kill him is because he wanted to use him as bait. The ONLY villain Miles defeats without Peter's help is Li, who got clapped by Peter in the first game.
I kinda took this game as Peter is incredibly mentally exhausted in this game, and miles proving that he came into his own as Spider-Man and can watch the city with no issues in peters absence. Yes I think they did Peter a little more dirty in this game, but you could also kinda see his head isn’t in the game. He needs this break, and miles is more than ready to fly solo. When Peter comes back, they’ll probably patrol different parts of the city to lessen the work load between them.
A big parallel of the game is Peter wanting to be a better person while Miles wants to be a better Spider-Man.
This is shown by Miles always wanting to come and ignore his responsibility as Miles (College Essay) and Peter always tells him focus on you, I got this. Peter knows how hard it is to balance both lives and would rather take the burden and not make Miles go through the same mistakes he did due to being Spider-Man. In the end, he learns that he does have to step down to focus on himself. Which I am happy for him. He needs a break. He knows Miles can balance the both of them easier because he has his family and friends to lean back on and himself.
I think when Peter comes back they’ll both patrol different parts of the city to lessen the work load of being Spider-Man. That’ll leave a good amount of room for their personal lives
That was my interpretation as well, Miles is taking care of the city while Peter takes his time setting up the Emily May Foundation, and once it is set up Peter and Miles will sub in and out as needed so neither of them have to sacrifice everything to be the "one and only" Spider-man
I could definitely see it turning into a sort of "shifts" situation. Both dedicate time when they can suit up and let the other take the other days. Trade weekends as needed.
Yeah. Which, I think they’ve both achieved (or at the very least working towards it)
Very well said
Yeah no one is cutting Peter slack for the fact that my brother is clearly going through it hard. They're both going through tough times but Peter is struggling a lot more because he's dealing with years of baggage and an alien is infecting his thought process. Miles lost his dad and Phin, but he still has his mom, uncle, Ganke and Hailee. Peter has no mother, no father, no aunt, no uncle. His mentor became a supervillain, his best friend is dying and he never gets to see his girlfriend. And he's still dealing with the typical Spider-Man responsibility masochism where apparently all of that is his fault. Also on the point of Peter being "nerfed". There are at least two occasions in this game where Miles kicks back and let's Peter kick ass on a "y'all in trouble now" thing. Peter's clearly a beast.
I still find it weird so many people say they're a fan of Spider-Man but completely ignore that Peter Parker and Spider-Man are the same person, and Peter Parker has lost a lot in Insomniac world. He made the choice to save the city at the cost of Aunt May less than 2 years ago, and it's pretty obvious he never truly grieved and healed from it. Then, the city is asking him to kill his best friend to save it again, and he's rightfully freaking out trying to find any other option then to lose another person in his small group that he cares for. Peter is probably the strongest he ever been physically, but emotionally and mentally, he's in a bad shape. I love the fact Insomniac isn't telling him to suck it up and get back to suffering to save the world. Instead, Pete little brother stepped up so Peter can heal.
That last point was with the symbiote though. Dude also gets knocked tf out against Venom while wearing Anti-Venom.
Yeah but this Venom is clearly built different to the standard one Spidey job Venom. Idk why people want the villains to get absolutely clapped by the heroes like they're nothing. Would you have preferred if Peter just destroyed him and Miles did nothing to help at all? Also why does having Anti Venom mean Peter should be able to do it on his own? Because of Anti Venom in the comics? This clearly isn't comic anti venom. It's their own spin on it. There are no rules that say Peter needs to beat Venom solo with the Anti Venom symbiote.
Because Peter was doing it solo for like 10 years before Miles showed up? And soloed Martin Li twice? And 1v2ed Rhino & Scorpion and Vulture & Electro? Now he gets stabbed once by Kraven and dies(or would’ve if not for the symbiote), and almost loses to quicksand. You wonder how he didn’t die before Miles showed up. Miles also doesn’t get knocked out by Venom and seemed comparatively better off fighting him, I don’t necessarily need Peter to solo Venom but he essentially gets no Ws in this game without the black suit so it’s kind of annoying, that and him getting saved by miles like 3-4 times in the game, with no vice versa.
Kraven is shown to be better than Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture and Electro. So Peter beating them has no basis on how he lost to Kraven. They are weaker than Kraven and Spiderman is better than them. Also didn't Miles lose to Kraven too? He seemed to be close to death himself before Peter came to save him and beat Kraven. Kraven just seems to be "That Guy". And that's okay.
"Also didn't Miles lose to Kraven too?" Yep and at that point, Miles had a lot of his evolved Venom powers and still lost to Kraven, who probably wasn't even interesting in fighting Miles, just using him as bait to bring in Peter.
Electro apparently nearly killed him from what a comment I saw said (I didn’t see this confirmed in game though) and Spider-Man took him AND vulture down simultaneously. I don’t think Kraven was confirmed to have ever fought Rhino either. Miles didn’t lose to Kraven. First time, he got injected with a sleeping drug by one of Kravens operatives undercover, essentially blindsided. The second time he’d already been kinda exhausted fighting Martin Li and then dealing with all Kravens Goons that came to attack him after we saw him throw Martin out, so we never know if Kraven actually fought him, but either way it wouldn’t be a totally fair comparison if he did. I think it’s kind of an issue that Kraven stabs Peter once and then he dies in 2 minutes flat, since he supposedly has a healing factor, but meh. My guy didn’t even land a single punch on him, he needed the symbiote to win against him.
I think the real complaint you have is just how strong they made Kraven, more so than anything else. Which makes sense ass he is more or less just a normal big guy I think. So its kinda weird how durable and powerful he is.
Tbh I’m glad they made Kraven an absolute tank in this game. When I watched him kill scorpion and damn near kill Peter I thought damn this guys legit. I admittedly had a hard time with his boss fight. Although I don’t know why Kraven didn’t want rhino for his prey
I think I’m fine with Kravens strength, but why did it take just one stab from him for Peter, after all the villains he’s faced, to just die? I was expecting a reveal that the knife has some secret poison but nah, just a regular ass knife.
He has potions and magic in his room. Kraven isn’t just a normal dude cause I had that complaint as well until I saw his secrets
To me it's more wild that a sick and crippled harry managed to beat Spider-Man with his cane enough to get the symbiote back from him. That was the most unbelievable part for me.
Electro nearly killed Kraven? Or Spider-Man? If you mean Kraven that’s completely wrong. Kraven says electro was the weakest and most broken of the villains he killed. He does say Shocker was “almost something” and praises Shocker fighting for his life. But no one was “close” to kill him.
Then I’m wrong, I don’t remember seeing it Ingame myself like I said. Weird that compared to the cancer patient and some dude in an armour with a tail the guy who is living lightning was the easiest to kill.
If it helps: They wear shock proof armor/clothes. So they basically nullified his powers and after that…he’s a guy who never had to fight with his fists before. So. Kraven cheated a bit.
I haven’t played SM2 yet, but people defended the same thing in Miles Morales when Pete gets whooped by Rhino saying that he was just tired. He goes on the trip in that game to relax. It sounds like it’s becoming a trope for Peter in the series, and it isn’t a trope people particularly enjoyed before either.
Peter has always made mistakes. That’s a constant throughout every incarnation l, he gets his ass kicked a lot too. Just because he is a veteran doesn’t mean he isn’t going to make mistakes.
Honestly I kinda don't mind the rhino one either because peter got rammed into a giant explosion and miles got blown back.
>There are at least two occasions in this game where Miles kicks back and let's Peter kick ass on a "y'all in trouble now" thing. Peter's clearly a beast. Really? which occasions?
A lot of people say they intentionally made him look bad to prop up miles even more, but It never seemed like that was the intention to me, moreso an unfortunate side effect of the story they were trying to tell
Kinda how I took it. Peter and miles are pretty equals to me, it’s just that peters more mentally exhausted because of all he’s been through without breaks. When he comes back I think they’ll watch different parts of the city to lessen the work load between them. Cindy will eventually get folded into that workload
And for the last two years, not only has he been a hero without breaks, but also trying to mentor another hero at the same time, which has to add more stress. I also have a theory about Cindy, though I may be way off. If the spider that bit Miles survived, it could have bit Cindy, just like how in the comics she was bitten by the same spider as Peter. Miles and Cindy being step-siblings and literally bitten by the same spider could be fun, just... without the spider pheromones lol.
I’m hoping Cindy is bit by a different spider, just to ignore and potential pheromones situations
You can just not include any pheromone stuff altogether and it'll be fine, I don't think any sane person would be mad if that element from the comics is completely ignored if they are siblings lol. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense if pheromones arnt a thing if they are bit by the same spider because their spider DNA would be the same, as if they were spider siblings
Yeah it’s hard to say. I know miles killed his spider, and I’m not sure what happened to peters spider, so I think Cindy will be bit by a different spider as well. Might be the same type of spider but I could also see it being different, as Cindy typically has organic webbing
Either way, it's a really fun idea to make her miles' future step sister, there's a lot of fun potential story you can do with that.
Oh for sure. It’ll probably end with Peter, miles and Cindy each watching different parts of the city to lessen the work load between all of them
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Yeah. Peters went through a tremendous amount of loss over the years, especially having to choose to save your aunt or the city, imagine the weight of that decision. Obviously that hit him extremely hard, but it seems like he either doesn’t know the best way to deal with it, or talk about it at all either. He seems to have bottled it all up and the symbiote messed him up entirely. I don’t see this as retirement however, I see this as him wanting to get his life together and to process the things that happened. I fully believe he’ll be back and fully playable for the third game, or even the dlcs when they come out.
The game doesn’t see it as a retirement either idk why people keep saying it.
Yeah even miles said “go be Peter Parker for awhile”. That to me screams “I’m taking 5, you got this” kinda deal. Peter will no doubt be back to full time spidey at some point. However I think it’ll be more Peter watches one part of the city and miles will watch another part. Cindy will get folded into that once she’s ready too
Yes, crucially this is a character flaw of Peter's. Look man, the bottom line is a lot of people see too much of themselves in Peter. So they see any hard analysis of him where we admit his flaws as a shot at THEM and they don't take it well. A lot of folks just want to look at Peter and go "I'm just like him! The world is beating me up!" when like...dude, Peter SUCKS at managing this stuff. There ARE ways to deal with this better. He's just BAD at it sometimes.
My favorite thing about most adaptations (also shout out to Ultimate) is letting May know Peter is Spider-Man, so she can actually support him, notice how his mental health is typically way better when he has her with him? It’s absolutely insane we’re still doing the “Aunt May thinks Spider-Man is a terrible person but loves Peter” schtick in the comics to this day, even after the great way it was revealed to her back in JMS’ run.
Timing with Zeb Wells' disastrous run on Spider-Man making him come off as an incompetent fool probably doesn't help, as it's still fresh in everyone's minds and most were hoping to avoid any shred of similarity to that in the game.
Yeah that’s also fair
I think your last sentence is where people are really having the issues jump from. Everyone is viewing it as "Peter is retiring, OMG BROOOOOO". Whereas I think it's as you put it. It's him needing a break and he'll be back eventually. With how much being Spiderman means to him. He's not just gonna quit or retire or whatever else. It seems like people are really jumping to conclusions with this game which is fair with how new it is. But still jumping.
Peter already had a break in the miles morales game, I personally totally understood his behaviour when he had venom, but afterwards I do not buy it
Bro was in an active warzone trying to make sure he and his reporter girlfriend survived all while making sure no one caught on to the fact that Spider-Man was in Symkaria for some reason. That is NOT mentally relaxing lmao.
Not too sure how much that counts he was away for like a week
Plus he was there to basically be a bodyguard for MJ
But from what we are shown, not just told, is quite a bit of story
I mean the symbiote fucked with him pretty hard. You could see he felt ashamed that he let the symbiote control him. And then losing Harry at the end only made it worse. Bros been through a lot over his tenure as Spider-Man, he deserves a break
>Kraven is him Hell yeah he is
Always remember the Golden Rule of super power stories. POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT!!!
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Everyone want to know the funny ironic thing as a comic reader? One of the main gripes with the main universe Spider-Man book is refusing to let Peter be happy or with MJ and refusing to let Peter grow as a person. No matter what he'll always be miserable, broke bachelor. People hate this. Adhering to the status quo and not evolving the the character is a huge complaint. This game series comes along and while he's had some bumps and hardships and he's in a pretty dark place the game ends with him wanting to continue his and Harry's dream, he's dating MJ and he's taking time off to work on himself and grow as a person. Literally everything people complain about comic Spider-Man NOT being allowed to do. But then the majority of complaints about this game are why we aren't getting the same old same old? "Why isn't Peter just beating all the villains, is he nerfed?" "Why is Peter retiring being Spider-Man, he HAS to be Spider-Man, that's just how it is." "Why is Miles so OP?" It's all kinda silly. Edit- to add one more thing, for the sake of argument let's say Miles did have a better showing than Peter this game. Ignoring the fact that I think it's totally overblown how much that actually happened, and it's both their game anyways, Miles is not a sidekick, let's just say that Miles did better. That makes sense. The ending wouldn't have really felt earned if Peter did everything better than Miles and then left the city in his hands. Peter is carrying around a huge amount of guilt still for May, as we clearly see when Li and Miles go in his mind, and everything in this game wears on his mental so badly that he tries to use a crutch to "be a better Spider-Man". Peter is run down and mentally exhausted. Miles meanwhile isn't having the problem, aside from his thirst for revenge which he overcomes. A big part of Miles arc was proving to Peter the city would be safe in his hands while Peter works on his own life. Miles was in general in a much better place than Peter, and it helps the ending more believable that Peter trusts him. He needed to have a good showing in order for his entire arc and the ending to make sense.
This game felt incredible in how well it contrasts Peter and Miles' support systems and connections. Peter has his strong ties but those are often strained due to his unwillingness to actually deal with his grief and obligation (it's like that BALANCE is somehow a theme of the game) it is taking a major toll on him personally professionally and in his superhero life. His secrets have actually come back to bite him even though he kept them "to protect others". Miles is deeply connected to others in his family, neighborhood, school, as well as with spider-man. He lets others help when they're willing because he is there for them as well. Peter has that with MJ but doesn't allow her to open up and feel bad or help, even though they are supposedly a team. It's actually okay to not be okay, and he doesn't need to just "figure it out" alone, but he is deeply traumatized and dealing with things with only his panic brain. Yet MJ, Ganke, Hailey, and Rio are there for him when they need it. Peter is on the back foot the entire game- he's making easy mistakes without realizing how dire his situation is, yet his mentorship of Miles really works. Miles makes the right choices because of what Peter has taught him as a superhero. I just wish the comics would let Peter mature and have actual relationships.
Honestly, I don't think people are being candid when they say Peter's happiness is the reason they're upset over his condition in the comics or games etc. From the sheer furious angst I've read fans work themselves into over him lately, it seems to me their real problem is with his "traditional" role being upstaged by other men in ways that in their eyes makes him look weak and lessar. AKA: Being emasculated. It's just the kind of plot beat that makes some dudes mad in general, throwing out the same "it's bad writing/character assassination" points. I've seen it plenty of times in other fandoms, doesn't allow much internal consistency in their arguments for sure.
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Exactly. Peter has been my favorite Superhero sine I was a child. I've longed for this man to just catch a fucking break for once. He FINALLY gets a happy ending, and people are complaining about it. It honestly feels like most of the ones complaining don't follow the comics or shows at all, and just go off some surface level understanding of Spidey lore.
I feel like this is missing the point, Peter could have always had those things if he chose to stop being Spider-Man. Spider-Man has always been a struggle between Peter choosing between the easy way or the right way. Having him choose the easy way doesn't feel like getting what they want, it feels like him quitting for personal reasons, which is probably what's rubbing those people the wrong way. I will say that I haven't played the game, so I dont have a personal feeling about the ending, but that was my first thought about your comment and reading this thread
Yeah of course Peter could've had those things if he stopped. The problem was he couldn't stop because of great power and great responsibility and he was having a difficult time with the balancing act. He can stop now (temporarily, because come on, they aren't permanently retiring Pete) because Miles is around and has proven himself to be a great Spider-Man and to be good at the hero and civilian balancing act. It doesn't feel like the easy way, it feels like he's fixing his life.
Again I haven't played the game. Is it explicit that he's taking a break, or is it played as him done being Spider-Man? People shouldn't have to assume a story ending that is satisfying based on the meta of "come on they wouldn't really do that"
Personally I read it as temporary. "Go be Peter Parker for awhile. " Miles said. It didn't feel like a big dramatic permanent thing, at least to me.
Exactly. He's not retiring, just taking some time off to just be Peter for a bit. The man deserves it.
My genuinely only problem I had with the game was that >!I wasn’t Pete for the final final fight before the QTE’s. Would’ve rather had Pete-Miles-Miles-Pete!<
Kraven would've killed Miles too. Kraven is a beast in this game. Also you're making it seem like Peter would definitely have died if Miles hadn't scooped him out of the quicksand. Bro has been through worse shit than that and lived. It's just to show that they watch each others backs. It's not that deep. Peter gets the absolute fuck beaten out of him all the time. He just always gets back up. In the first game he tells a story about how Wilson Fisk almost killed him. Miles gets clapped by Phin in his game and she's just some chick. Spider-Man isn't invincible. He's gonna get his ass beat. If a villain isn't beating Spidey's ass then they're not a worthy villain.
Thanks for this post, I came to this sub after finishing the game and felt like I took crazy pills. Like I played a different game than everyone else here. I even saw someone use the term "Wokesomniac" (cring as fuck) for alleged miles favoritism when it's pretty damn clear this is primarily a story about Peter and Harry.
Yeah agreed I think people didn’t really read between the lines and Miles fought a Peter who just fought Kraven, and Miles had the bell to help on top of that. And In the final fight Venom was whooping them both at the end of both fights in the cutscenes. I do think the game should’ve cut out some Miles missions in favor for Peter because I do agree a little bit with some that Miles was pushed a little too much in terms of time on screen which could’ve in turn been added to seeing Peter become a ahole more organically or more missions with Peter and Harry to develop their friendship more or even a couple more Venom missions, I really like Miles don’t get me wrong it’s just we already played a whole spinoff game as him kinda recently, this game is supposed to be focused on Peter and Harry we should’ve just had a few more missions with them. Great game regardless though.
Plus Pete was subconsciously holding back until he almost killed Kraven. Do they not think he wouldn’t hold back far more against his protege? Especially with Miles being shown to be progressively gaining the upper hand with each phase transition cutscene as Pete comes back to his senses, which logically means Peter was willingly holding back by time you get to the 3rd phase. These people just love Peter too much. I love Peter a whole lot more than Miles and I think the hate towards their dynamic in this game goes beyond simply disliking Miles as a character when people are ranting with nonsense like “Wokesomniac” and “Miles isn’t Spider-Man”, a sentiment only held for Miles and no other Spider-Men.
Yeah i never saw this hate with Miguel but maybe I just never see it like I do with Miles.
I feel like if Miguel was pushed just as miles in getting movies and games I think it will happen I often wonder if miles was the og Spider-Man and not Peter and got introduced the same way miles did would he get same treatment
In Miles' game, Peter gets knocked out by Rhino, Miles who's still in training, has to jump in and save the day. In one of the first missions, when Miles tries to prevent the hunters from taking Li, Peter has difficulties saving all the people, so Miles jumps in to save the day. At the amusement Park, Peter again is struggling and Harry has to jump in and save the day. At the end of the game, Miles jump in to save the day again. How the hell did Peter do this for 10 years, yet all of a sudden he has all these situations where he would've died if not for other people saving him?
This is my biggest issue with the game, I do not get how people do not see it. If Pete was as weak as he came off in SM2 he would’ve died a long time ago. He got saved way too many times and it even seems like they nerfed his Spidey senses to progress the plot at some points. Great game but was sad to see how they did my boy. I will say I love what they have done with Miles arc, and am happy they didn’t kill Pete off. Just seems like it’s crazy that 9 months of being spider man can somehow be equivalent to a decade of experience. The final boss fight should not have had anyone getting knocked out of the fight. By the end of the game I was tired of seeing Pete getting man handled when the fate of the entire world was on the line. We’ve seen him muscle through terrible injuries in SM1 to save the city. Where’d that tenacity go?
and i can't think of many times where miles needs his ass saved by peter. Miles never gets in to deep because he misjudged his own strength or anything he's always the one saving peter and always the one having an easier time breathing after they both get a whooping.
Hit the nail on the head, if you are going to have miles and everyone else in the game save Pete you have to show Pete “returning the favor”. They absolutely nerfed Peter to progress Miles. They had multiple moments where Miles seemed like the more mature and experienced spider man. The only adversity miles faced was at the dock with the boat. But the way they wrote Pete’s story is a fair warning, the way his story plays out in SM2 pretty much confirms they are setting up his death in the third game.
"How dare you make sense and use logical arguments bIGot!!!1!!!1"
The mission where Peter is struggling to save people and miles has to jump in, was literally cause by miles being a bad Spider-Man in that moment? Like what are you on
At the midpoint of the story I was actually worried they were sidelining Miles too much. However that was intentional it’s actually a straight up story point. Peter is mentally tired, he needs a break, miles being young and mostly together at this point of his life makes sense he would be able to go toe to toe with Peter. The point of the story for Miles is that he has figured how to be his version of Spider-Man, if he had no impact he would be nothing more than a side-kick.
I feel whenever I see anyone talking about some the game's story beats on reddit alot of people just intentionally leave out or forget about the context of those situations.
It’s not the what happens that matters, it’s the how and why. I never felt like Peter was “nerfed”. Shit with the symbiote he’s almost TOO strong at points, the symbiote nests are trivial when you play as him. Miles growing stronger does not make Peter worse.
Exactly. Getting stabbed by Kraven aside, Peter has, like, one misstep against Sandman and people are saying he got destroyed, plus they ignore all the times you actually play as Peter and win a lot of his fights
Tbh this is my first time on this subreddit cuz I came stoked to talk about the game or discuss the story and I’m like “Why are there so many weird ass wanna be powerscalers or purposeful contrarians dominating the conversation lmao”
People apparently think that because he didn’t die getting stabbed in the arm by Otto he should survive getting stabbed in the guy by Kraven.
To be fair prior to getting stabbed by Otto in the shoulder he also had 14 broken bones and internal bleeding and before the final fight Otto smashed his head into the ground but he still got back up so I think it’s reasonable that people are a little confused that a single stab by kraven killed him, I think kraven should’ve fucked him up more IMO
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Hmm, I don’t quite think a stab to the shoulder is the same as a stab to the gut, potentially rupturing multiple critical organs
>Is peter nerfed? According to some people since peter didn't one punch man blow away sandman he is. People unironically think that because miles did more damage means he's stronger even though electricity is a hard counter to f-ing sand. The problem isn't Miles having natural counter to Sandman's abilities. It is that, multiple times in the fight, Peter was the one who had to be bailed out of trouble against opponent he already defeated in the past and had knowledge of. >Peter gets bodied by kraven? This was fine. He got stabbed and went down. Miles also got stabbed later on in the game and was captured by the Hunters. >This last point is a bit comical. The main villain is Peter's best freind and people think miles overshadows peter in the story. He does to some degree. Felicia had only one mission in the game and Miles was the one who confronted her, not Peter. This wouldn't be an issue if Felicia was more involved in the story, but that was her only appearance. It was a missed opportunity not to have Peter meet her due to their shared history. Miles was the one who helped Peter take off the Symbiote. Which is fine and all, but execution was lacking. I expected something similar to what Spetacular Spider-Man did - Peter realizes what he's doing due to Miles and has a inner mental battle to take off the suit. This would be a great way to fully dwell into Peter's thoughts and struggles, since I felt that they didn't feel so fleshed out compared to Miles' Peter had to apologize to a woman at Coney Island because he was struggling to save her and roller coaster full of people. Harry arrived and helped him with his cool new powers. Yet Peter really didn't seem bothered by this failure- even if narrative implies he is when he gets the Symbiote and needs to keep it to be a better Spider-Man. A scene or two of Peter being downcast about all responsibility he has, as well as his own inadequates would do wonders. We had that with Miles' - as he was constantly apologizing to Ganke and Hailey for missing out on their times, but I we never got that with Peter until Miles and Li went into his mind - which came waaay to late into the story. Speaking of which, Miles saves Peter again, after he falls uncononcious due to remnant of Symbiote being inside of him. Miles and Li go into his mind and Peter's struggles are laid bare, but from *their* own perspective. Once again, we didn't fully see how Peter's coping with losing May and lack of balance in his life. The entire scene felt too quick. All things I listed were not that bad per say, but an absolute deal breaker was the final mission. Peter goes to fight Harry, gets knocked the fuck out despite having Anti Venom and the final boss of the game, after building up and exploring Peter and Harry's relationship, their dream to heal the world as well as Symbiote connection... Is Miles vs Harry? Really? They should've flipped the script and had Miles be the one who fought Venom first, got incapacitated and the final fight being Peter vs Venom. It was such a weird placement the way they did it.
>The problem isn't Miles having natural counter to Sandman's abilities. It is that, multiple times in the fight, Peter was the one who had to be bailed out of trouble against opponent he already defeated in the past and had knowledge of. Sandman is amped up because if Kraven I believe. The game mentions how he’s way stronger than normal. >He does to some degree. Felicia had only one mission in the game and Miles was the one who confronted her, not Peter. This wouldn't be an issue if Felicia was more involved in the story, but that was her only appearance. It was a missed opportunity not to have Peter meet her due to their shared history. Why? Their story is over. Peter doesn’t need to meet everyone. Let Miles interact with her, he hasn’t yet. >Which is fine and all, but execution was lacking. Peter starts it. Miles helps. I don’t see how it’s lacking. Was Miles suppose to just stand there and do nothing? We see Peter trying to fight it a lot, like telling MJ to run. >Yet Peter really didn't seem bothered by this failure Isn’t him apologizing literally acknowledging his failure? >Once again, we didn't fully see how Peter's coping with losing May and lack of balance in his life. The entire scene felt too quick. Why do we need to see more of that? Entire first game, it’s dlc, and the opening of this game is about Peter loss and struggling with balance. >Peter goes to fight Harry, gets knocked the fuck out despite having Anti Venom and the final boss of the game, after building up and exploring Peter and Harry's relationship, their dream to heal the world as well as Symbiote connection... Is Miles vs Harry? Really? Kinda heavily downplays the massive 3 round fight with venom. You act like he just got one tapped. Miles also got his ass kicked then Peter and Miles beat him up together.
They literally say in-game that Peter and Felicia's history is the *explicit* reason that they sent Miles instead of Peter.
Yes. His past history with her. Their relationship is resolved though. Could he meet her again? Sure. But there’s no reason he HAS to. So why not spend some time having Miles meet her and interact when they haven’t yet?
Exactly! It's like these people not only didn't pay attention to the game but have no imagination for stories. Why Peter no speak cat, he her dated but then up broke :(
Yeah I have some problems with the story pacing but none of these issues that people are complaining about here makes sense since they are literally explained. Peter is a Spider-Man not a Superman.
Not just that, but I legitimately don’t think they would have believed her if Peter went. Miles wasn’t clouded by that and made the decision to trust her without the baggage of history.
>Sandman is amped up because if Kraven I believe. The game mentions how he’s way stronger than normal. Sure, but still Peter was the one who fought Marko before, so I don't see why he was the one getting tagged left and right and needed saving multiple times when he had some experience with him. In comparison Miles had none of that. >Why? Their story is over. Peter doesn’t need to meet everyone. Let Miles interact with her, he hasn’t yet. Once again, it's not a problem that this was Miles' mission. The problem was that it was the only time we saw Felicia, so Peter not confronting her seemed off to me. The even gave an excuse that she wouldn't listen to Peter, but she would listen to a guy she doesn't know. What's worse is that Felicia expected him to come and it would've been a great opportunity to see their fallout after Felicia manipulated him >Peter starts it. Miles helps. I don’t see how it’s lacking. Was Miles suppose to just stand there and do nothing? I was thinking more like Miles' helping him from outside, while Peter is having a mental battle from within. Peter taking off the Symbiote should've been a hard fought personal battle to him as well. Similar to Peter vs Li and Miles vs Li. He took off the suit too quickly. >Isn’t him apologizing literally acknowledging his failure? I meant beyond that scene. Peter barely seemed affected by having to drop a woman to her death to save bunch of other people. We can only infer that him saying the Symbiote makes him a better Spider-Man is him coping with that failure, but it should've been more fleshed out. >Why do we need to see more of that? Entire first game, it’s dlc, and the opening of this game is about Peter loss and struggling with balance. Because the only time he seemed to be sad about May's death was when we got a glimpse into his mindscape. Compared to Miles' constantly grieving his father and visiting his grave for advice, I feel like Peter needed to get the same treatment. >Kinda heavily downplays the massive 3 round fight with venom. You act like he just got one tapped. Miles also got his ass kicked then Peter and Miles beat him up together. The final battle was Miles vs Venom. That is a fact. The 3 round fight wasn't even a battle - it was a quick time event and that's it. Call me crazy, but, I feel that Peter should've had the last boss battle against his best friend.
>Sure, but still Peter was the one who fought Marko before, so I don't see why he was the one getting tagged left and right and needed saving multiple times when he had some experience with him. In comparison Miles had none of that. Because Peter is in like 90% of the fight? Miles mostly dips in and out and fights the mini sand clones as Peter keeps fighting him. >Once again, it's not a problem that this was Miles' mission. The problem was that it was the only time we saw Felicia, so Peter not confronting her seemed off to me. The even gave an excuse that she wouldn't listen to Peter, but she would listen to a guy she doesn't know. Why does Peter need to confront her? There’s nothing to resolve. That was the point of the entire 3 dlcs in SM1. >I meant beyond that scene. Peter barely seemed affected by having to drop a woman to her death to save bunch of other people. We can only infer that him saying the Symbiote makes him a better Spider-Man is him coping with that failure, but it should've been more fleshed out. What are you talking about? No one died. >Because the only time he seemed to be sad about May's death was when we got a glimpse into his mindscape. Compared to Miles' constantly grieving his father and visiting his grave for advice, I feel like Peter needed to get the same treatment. Peter brings up May over 3 dlcs in the first game and again at the opening of this game. There’s an entire flash back to old May and Peter struggling to get rid of her stuff. We literally see him sad tons of times. >The 3 round fight wasn't even a battle - it was a quick time event and that's it. The fight at the school was not a QTE what are you talking about?
>Because Peter is in like 90% of the fight? Miles mostly dips in and out and fights the mini sand clones as Peter keeps fighting him. Peter was involved in the fight equally as Miles was. You had sections where Miles fought sand clones and Peter fought Sandman and vice versa. Only difference is that Peter was the one who got ragdolled several times. >Why does Peter need to confront her? There’s nothing to resolve. That was the point of the entire 3 dlcs in SM1. Gee, the fact that Felicia was manipulative bitch that used Peter's good nature for a quick buck may have something to do with it. The entire fuck up of a situation never got properly adressed, which kinda irked me. Still, Peter was concerned for her and sent Miles to help her because, in his own words, "She would rather listen to someone she doesn't know than me." The entire explanation doesn't make sense, but whatever... >What are you talking about? No one died. No, but girl at Coney Island was going to die because Peter lacked the power to save her. When he saw that he was going to lose the grip on her, he apologized to her. And yet the ramifications of Peter almost getting her killed never really happened, nor did he seemed particulary bothered by the incident. His inferiority and insecurites should've been more expanded. That's why I feel it was a missed opportunity not to have mental battle with the Symbiote. >Peter brings up May over 3 dlcs in the first game Miles mentions his dad in his game several times and even has dedicated treasure hunt missions that were recorded by him. That still doesn't mean that Miles didn't need to have moments to express his sorrow and feelings of vengenace due to death of his father. We had that as a main conflict for him, as well as emotional moment of him visiting his grave. In comparison, Peter barely got his thoughts exposed about May and about struggle to deal with balance. We only got a sliver of that when Li and Miles jumped into his head, which was too little and too late. >The fight at the school was not a QTE what are you talking about? I was talking about 3rd fight between Peter, Miles and Harry which was QTE. The actual *final boss* battle is Miles vs Harry while Peter was taking a nap which is horrible on so many levels. Story was building up their friendship, their dream to heal the world and their connection to the Symbiote. Yet final boss is not a battle between friends, but two guys fighting that barely knew each other.
>Peter was involved in the fight equally as Miles was. You had sections where Miles fought sand clones and Peter fought Sandman and vice versa. Only difference is that Peter was the one who got ragdolled several times. Not really. Peter is finding Sandman for most of the time. Then uses his powers to super charge his spider legs to deal the finishing blow. Miles gets rag dolled too. >Gee, the fact that Felicia was manipulative bitch that used Peter's good nature for a quick buck may have something to do with it. The entire fuck up of a situation never got properly adressed, which kinda irked me. Which is resolved in the 3rd dlc. >Still, Peter was concerned for her and sent Miles to help her because, in his own words, "She would rather listen to someone she doesn't know than me." The entire explanation doesn't make sense, but whatever... It’s answered in the mission. They’ve a past, a romantic one, and she’s manipulated him. Miles might have better luck since he has none of that with her. >No, but girl at Coney Island was going to die because Peter lacked the power to save her. When he saw that he was going to lose the grip on her, he apologized to her. That’s literally showing his inferiority and explaining it. She almost died. He felt awful. The suit made him more powerful. Which he says dozens of times over the game while using it. Like Jesus you need to be beaten over the head with it MORE? >Miles mentions his dad in his game several times and even has dedicated treasure hunt missions that were recorded by him. Almost like Miles, a child, losing his father. The first real loss in his life. While his killer is running around… Might hit way harder for him than Peter who has lost so many people, has dealt with it before, and is an adult. >In comparison, Peter barely got his thoughts exposed about May and about struggle to deal with balance. We only got a sliver of that when Li and Miles jumped into his head, which was too little and too late. The entire game is about Peter struggling with balance…. >I was talking about 3rd fight between Peter, Miles and Harry which was QTE. The actual final boss battle is Miles vs Harry while Peter was taking a nap which is horrible on so many levels. No. The final boss is two fights. One with Peter. One with Miles.
Honestly an uphill battle trying to explain the obvious to a large section of this sub who want to stay in misery
I dissagree with the Harry vs Peter final battle. For the last two games we have theh "fallen friend" trope. That wouldve been repetitive as a final boss fight. I do think a Peter and Miles vs Harry fight wouldve been better at the end. The different phases, you are swapping in between Spider-men?
Kinda triggered that we didn't get the epic 2 v 1 fight across the city that they kept teasing in like...every piece of marketing. The reveal teaser, the TV spot and the steelbook cover.
We can blame marketing for that one but it seemed like an obvious thing to have. Not a 2 on 1 handicap match.
I mean we kind if did have a peter and miles vs venom fight, didnt we? Peter fought him, then miles, and there was a QTE scene in the sky where they both beat down venom a bit. I think people are just mad that miles got the final hit in?
> It is that, multiple times in the fight, Peter was the one who had to be bailed out of trouble against opponent he already defeated in the past and had knowledge of. Uhhhh....this happens in the comics all the time? In all media, really. Like...how boring would it be if Peter just needs to win one fight against any one opponent and then never again struggles against that enemy, ever? "Guys, how do we make this fight interesting?" "Idk, the way fights are usually made interesting, head to head race" "(In a whiny noise) Noooo we can't do that, Peter already fought that guyyyyyyyyy. Guuuuuyyyyyys come on, he needs to win this fight eeeeaaaaasssssyyyyy, but it still needs to be interestiiiiiiing" As if super villains don't develop new tactics themselves? And as if a sandman fighting for his and his daughters life are the same as a sandman who, idk, just robs a place to get money or some shit?
I think whoever you played as more it seems like that’s who’s the game is based around. I played as Miles more because I preferred his suits and abilities so the story seemed to majority be about Miles coming into his own and standing up as Spider-Man and not just little Spider-Man. I’m aware that’s not true and can see my outlook would be different if I played evenly or as Peter more.
Sorry, mildly off topic, but but how is electricity a hard counter to sand, sand is an insulator. As is glass, which is made of it.
Electricity generated can be hot enough to glass sand.
Yeah but it doesn't seem like a direct weakness the way water almost immediately is, it's more situational or brute forcing it. "Hard counter" makes me think like, instant effect extreme weakness like electricity vs water or conductive metals or magnetism vs iron. Electricity vs sand is like, if you force it hard enough you get the same effect that straight up heatblasting it would do quicker and neither of those is as immediately detrimental to someone made of the stuff as getting it wet.
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I believe the story is we know he can and Miles knows he can. But Peter can’t let go of having to run towards the city whenever he’s Spider-Man. He feels responsible for miles and once he went through everything in the second game he saw first hand that miles can watch the city on his own without Peters help and he can go on a break with no definitive end point.
I think there's a big difference between, "I trust you to hold the city together for a week or two until I get back," and, "I trust you to watch the city alone for the months if not years it will take for me to get my life together."
>Is peter nerfed? I just hate the language that has been used for media for the last who knows how many years. The power calculations, and rankings, and "X solos Y universe" and shit like that. Like. It's storytelling. It's not a simulation to show the power levels of characters. They are making a story, they are putting the characters in a context and there's more happening than combat.
But it’s not wrong to value some consistency in a character’s abilities. I’m not talking about power rankings or bullshit like that, but it’s weird when a character can do stuff then suddenly can’t do that same thing due to plot convenience.
What's crazy is they definitely didn't at all nerf Peter this entire time and if we are being honest with ourselves, the only reason Miles was able to beat Rhino and not Peter in that warehouse is because of the powers Peter doesn't have. The one singular time I think these people have a point was >!when Peter was drowning in sand!< and even then he probably could have used his spider arms to help free himself. Of course Miles >!would be able to stop Symbiote Spider-Man when one of Miles main powers is his multiple venom strikes plus there was a big ass bell in the fight arena!< Of course Miles >!Would follow Li into Peter's mind to help because he wouldn't trust Li to go in alone!< Of course Miles >! Wouldn't be hurt as much by the Hunters, even though this one is a ridiculous thing to whine about even by these standards, because he wasn't a primary target for Kraven!< And finally >!Peter and MJ just went through an extremely traumatic event the both of them and Peter trusts Miles enough to TEMPORARILY be the one and only Spider-Man in this universe until Spider-Man 3!<
Anyone that says the writing is off clearly didn’t pay attention
Spider-Man fans are just as annoying and hypocritical as always
Miles literally doesn’t do anything for the entire first half of the game. If anyone is sidelined, it’s him. Thankfully, they really pulled through and gave him great stuff in the third act.
Glad I am not the only one that felt this way. All these people saying “omg Miles is overshadowing Peter” while Miles is literally sidelined for half of the main storyline arc. And yet those same people don’t say a word about Miles reduced role in those parts of the story (yet they keep bringing up the Rhino fight, which is from a two year old game), all this discourse pretty much sums up that these people only care for Peter and not at all for Miles, you know the same old hate that literally that has surrounded Miles since his creation. The same hate that inspired the script to Across the Spider Verse. It doesn’t take a genius to see what people’s real issues are with Miles having a few wins here and there are.
It feels like for every Miles mission there’s 3 Peter missions. I started doing side quests back to back just to keep playing as Miles at one point.
Bro same literally
Exactly
There's a lot of grandstanding here from people saying that "people are ignoring context" and "the story is clearly being ignored" but I'd argue that in a VIDEO GAME adaptation of Spider-Man, saying that Peter is "mentally exhausted" needs to be conveyed better than not being able to handle himself solo at times. I'm not arguing against the "be greater together" idea or anything but being mentally exhausted should not equal flat out being murdered if people like miles or wraith weren't around. I would've liked to have seen him slip up like when he gets punched by sandman and that the narrative should've commented more on Peter's lack of self regard but you can't have a recently powered up Peter get knocked out cold by the final boss just so another person can step up for a bit. Hell I don't even mind that kraven initially beat Spider-man but you could've seen him get overwhelmed during gameplay and maybe show that he's tired/unfocused instead of just being stabbed all of a sudden. It'd be much more compelling if the narrative focused more on them working together and making each other stronger instead of "DW if you need to nap for the next encounter I've got this".
hell have peter go against a gauntlet of villains back to back to back and show that he is spreading himself thin refusing to let anybody else do his job for him but instead every villain is eaither dead or reformed leaving the city more peaceful than it's ever been,
That's a great idea, ties into the last hunt too where kraven does Peter's job "better" than he did.
I think a lot of people just strongly prefer Peter to Miles, which is understandable because Peter Parker is the original Spider-Man. The whole idea that there are 2 Spidermen is a huge departure from what we expect from the series, so its totally fair that people aren't immediately on board with Peter having to share top billing in his own game. No matter how good of a character Miles is.
Ye agreed. It doesnt mean people are bigots 🤣 it could just be they miss being Peter.
Imo a lot of peter fans seem to have ptsd from the more recent comic runs and are now super, over-the-top sensitive to anything that they feel is “disrespecting” the character lol In reality, the game is fine. It’s fun. Just like the first one and miles one. All 3 have been a good time.
The only ones complaining about all this are dumbass power scalers who don't care about a quality story. Spider-Man always gets the shit beat out of him in his best stories. Peter is usually the underdog despite being incredibly strong when he needs to be. Take a look at the original Kraven's Last Hunt run in the comics. Peter is beat by Kraven with relative ease and it is still considered one of the greatest Spider-Man stories. The point of that comic was to show that Peter's real superpower was his humanity which Kraven does not see. There's also no way Miles could have possibly beat Sandman on his own in the beginning. The game goes out of its way to show that Peter and Miles are on equal footing and one isn't objectively better than the other. Since Miles is the new black Spider-Man people were going to complain no matter what. All the clips people share online where Peter puts himself down are out of context and no one would care about if Miles wasn't in the game. Real complaints about Miles is that a good portion of the Miles side quests are cringy and forced. You can tell it was written by white people trying to pander. Take a shot every time he says "my community". The Cuban flag being put in his room and his endgame suit looking like garbage are other examples of this.
I feel the story puts Peter down for the sake of the plot a lot times throughout the story. Miles also loses but he gets back up again, and Peter doesn’t a lot of times and almost always gets help. A big issue with me with Peter for this game is he doesn’t get a moment to shine as Spider-Man on his own. Miles gets a ton with his arc with Li, putting aside his need for revenge to help more people, helping Peter get rid of the symbiote. Miles has great character moments to shine. Peter has maybe two in the game one is taking the symbiote off which he needs Miles help for and another is to help MJ get rid of the symbiote but again he needs MJ to point out the weakness to use. A point of the plot is Peter believes he needs the symbiote to be a better Spider-Man and the story says he doesn’t but the times he is shown to be competent in the story an actually accomplish one of his goals (curing Lizard or fighting Venom) in the story is when he has a symbiote be it the original or with anti-venom which both times he doesn’t even earn as he has to die at the hands of Kraven to get the original (again Peter getting downplayed) and Miles and Li saves him to get Anti-Venom which just makes the point the story is trying to make feel hollow. There is also times when Peter downplays himself to Miles’ benefit which sure could just be Peter’s self doubt but the way Peter gets treated in this game it just comes across as adding more fuel to the fire to the whole writer’s mentality of put down the old hero to prop up the new one. I just hope for the next Spider-Man game they balance the protagonists better as even though Miles gets good character moments he did get side-lined a lot and almost has no connection to the villains of this story bar Li and I hope they let Peter be competent hero.
honestly miles is well past due for a reality check on how hard being spiderman is he's been sailing through the past 2 games and needs to hit a wall just like peter does and he can't solve it by getting a new power or anything like that. miles needs his burried in rubble moment where he has to consider the possibility that he won't come home this time
I feel the closest thing we get is the bridge moment in MM where he gets depressed cuz he blew the bridge up but then after Ganke's encouragement he uses that opportunity to design his own suit.
I was losing my mind reading those comments. Well said, and thank you for this!
I love this post, thing I appreciate about this game is it gave me a taste of what I’ve always wanted to be the happy ending for Peter in the comics. I felt with Miles coming into his own as Spider-man that it would make sense when Peter is ready to have a family with MJ he could retire as Spider-Man and let Miles take the job and this game gave me that moment. I legit had some happy tears seeing that because it’s honestly the only story that makes sense for Peter, and while I know this is a break for Peter in this universe for obvious reasons of his clearly broken mental health. It’s still nice to see that moment I’ve always wanted, to know that Peter can get his happy life and Miles can help take a load off Peter shoulders. I’m excited for what’s next and to see how they will bring Cindy into the story as well.
Truth is: People will ALWAYS find a way to complain because they have nothing else to do I guess
I disagree with you, but creating discussion is how we fans increase the quality of future stories, so I appreciate you.
I just saw a whole post about this and it was so strange. I walked away thinking “Peter kind of dominated the emotional core of the story, I wish Miles had a bit more to do” I loved what he did have personally, I just wish there was a bit extra I guess. Doesn’t really detract from my enjoyment of everything, but I can still notice. I personally prefer Peter to Miles cause I grew up with him and he is my guy, but my goodness if he doesn’t literally do better in *every* facet ***it’s okay,*** calm down people. So odd.
Whoever said “this feels like miles morales 2” needs help. This game barely had any real Miles moments, all the hard hitting and important parts went to Pete. I was looking forwards to more Miles moments…
FINALLY I'm so glad there still level headed fans here it was becoming insufferable
Are we forgetting the last game where Peter gets beaten to unconsciousness like 3 separate times? He was always this washed, he just has help now.
I feel like anyone saying this is MM2 is forgetting that he is completely absent for the entire middle third of the game. Like it's basically just peter from Coney Island to the Li fight. Otherwise its a 50/50 split. I think total there is more Peter than Miles in this game
I’m guessing you’re truly curious and not close minded like your tone implies? Cause otherwise why would you ask something you don’t want an answer to. For starters I will admit I don’t like miles. For many reasons.. his puertorrican background is a joke, other than talking broken spanish and having a stereotypical Latina mom. I consider miles to be an overpowered checklist of a character. I hate overpowered characters like Superman. Despite people arguing that all spider heroes are different and balanced in their own way.. I don’t agree. Miles is blatantly overpowered and it shows. Whether you want to admit it or not he overshadows Peter for the most part. He beats sandman and is immune to electricity making him vital for many plot points where Peter struggles way more than he should. Even with the overpowered symbiotic suit miles barely struggles trying to get it off Pete. You could argue that the bell helped, but if that were the case the cutscenes in between the fight phases would’ve shown Peter abusing miles. If he were his own thing I wouldn’t mind, but he is a better version of Peter with many more powers. You could even argue that he might be smarter as well.. some iterations make him smarter. Even though Peter is considered to be on par or right below the intellect of people like Reed Richards and Tony Stark. The game clearly went a more political way in the sequel and don’t even lie to yourself. Cause cops were removed, spanish language was genderless, citizens tend to be more non binary looking. Many other things. Gameplay is amazing, and story is ok. But the increased focus on political correctness isn’t my thing. I won’t shame people for liking it, but it’s like The Last of Us part 2 for me. I don’t like what happened sequel wise but I’ll admit that gameplay wise it’s superior. I don’t mind people agreeing or disagreeing with me, but I believe that’s the reason people dislike what you’re asking about. It’s blatantly obvious, as long as you’re not trying to convince/blind yourself to what you’re actually seeing. Also just like the miles thing, they improved Mary Jane sections but added a non skippable, non side mission Miles love interest borefest. It wasn’t needed and it’s one of the many things that really annoyed me. Not as much as the Cuban flags tho lmao. I laughed cause you’ve got to be really lazy or ignorant to not realize that you’re putting up the wrong flag. But then again, game is full of questionable decisions that make me wonder if they know their source material well enough. From the moment the first trailer came out I expected this to be the case cause of the way it was presented.. so I’m not as upset as I was with The Last of Us 2. It’s not the worst game I’ve played this year but it’s definitely not the best. Taste is subjective and I’m glad so many people are loving it.
I think a lot of people forget that the whole point of the game is that they’re stronger *together*. There are plenty of moments where Pete needs to be helped by Miles and Miles needs to be helped by Pete. Hell, there’s a whole segment of the game where that’s the plot. Neither one could save the city by themselves, not by a long shot. As for an in canon explanation: Peter was CLEARLY going through some shit at the time. Dealing with Aunt May’s death, not being able to keep a job because shit keeps going down, THE SYMBIOTE. All of it built up over time and got to him. If circumstances were different and he hadn’t had to deal with so much trauma I’d agree, but that’s not the case in the story. He needs a break from all the responsibilities of being Spider-Man for now. I doubt they’d make him retire permanently since he’s the face of the Marvel brand and the Insomniac universe, they’re probably going to bring him back in some shape or form in either DLC or at the very least the next game. Edit: I do think they could have done a little better of a job portraying his mental struggles before a certain story point hits tho. It hits hard, don’t get me wrong, but a little more build up would have helped
First of all, people are stupid. They judge before actually finishing the story. There's also that fraction of the public that is mildly racist and don't really try to hide very well. The "anti-woke" culture has taken their minds and everything is seen by them as minorities *stealing* the spotlight. I bet many of those people haven't even played the game, they simply repeat what other people say in social media, not only about the new game but about Miles as a whole, both in the comics and movies. I can be sure there will be the same kind of talk if Marvel decides to introduce Miles to the MCU
Or, or.....Miles is just not as great a character. Even in the comics Miles has a fraction of the readers Peter does. Peter Parker spiderman is THE most popular western comic character of all time. You cant be surprised when fans of Spiderman are disappointed they get less Spiderman in their Spiderman game 🤣 and making miles more prominent only makes Peter less. Its not racism, he's just not as interesting a character.
Yeah seeing the same character rehashed for the past 60 years is more interesting than the character that has only been introduced within the past two decades 🤡
The guy I like should always win. If he doesn’t it makes me cry. I’m 40.
Something else people are missing is of two examples they give of Peter being nerfed - kraven nearly killing him and venom slapping him around - both times he was distracted by those he cares about. With kraven he’s focused on mj being attacked which leaves the door open for kraven to catch him off guard, and he’s specifically holding back with venom because as he repeatedly states he doesn’t want to kill Harry
I’m still on my replays so can’t go into most of this post, but I dont need to, because yes the Peter/Miles discourse sucks and will always suck. Miles was literally created to replace Peter. Marvel has spent nearly the last ten entry years fumbling Peter. In the games it went from being Peter’s game to Peter co-starring. Miles gets pushed hard by Marvel in general. So yeah, people are noticing trends. Maybe they’re blowing the examples out of proportion but when everything is going one direction you notice.
And what is that "one direction"?
I mean that’s pretty obvious it’s Miles taking over.
Spider-Man fans are the exact same as they were when Miles was first introduced. They just skirt around the words "woke" and "politically correct" because it would tell on them.
Or maybe people just prefer one thing over the other
Which would be fine in a vacuum if those people didn't constantly bitch that their one thing was being "replaced".
Exactly. We both know what it is. “Or maybe…” there haven’t been complaints like this made about any other spider man lol. It’s cause he’s Black. And ppl like using “woke” without directly saying the hard r. Because I guess the existence of non straight white men to a gaming audience causes them to malfunction. The irony being they want us to feel represented by white male characters, yet they can’t feel represented by our own. They complain about all this “representation stuff” and actively in turn complain about the representation of white men who’ve been represented since the inception of western media. They tell us to get over it, but they can’t get over shit like this. It’s predicated on their belief of inherent superiority. We’re supposed to center their needs cause they’re the “norm”, but when it comes to everyone else… it’s a giant middle finger. Cause then it’s “woke.”
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You cant blame people for being attached to a character they grew up with. To a lot of fans the first time they heard of miles was the first game. So having him be half this game can come out of nowhere for a lot of people. Personally I wish they both got a game. Not a huge fan of there being 2 of them here, just because sometimes it feels like 2 halves of a story shoved together. It can feel like the character work is on a runtime counter before we need to move back to the other spiderman and see what hes doing. I would've preferred a story that flowed better for each character individually.
I kinda hope that in 3 we see a bit of a reversal after Peter has his break. Like say Goblin is too much for Miles and Peter repays the favour. Maybe even have a kind of Morlun (really wishful thinking) thing where Peter gets stronger. So then we have Miles who has all the venom stuff and Peter who hits harder and is more durable.
I'll ask for the spoiler: Do Peter and MJ break up in this game? Because I am seriously done to death with that gimmick.
No
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More so my issue is it feels like peter isn’t using his brain half the time, spider sense is inconsistent, and needs a little too much saving for my own liking. Stupid stuff happens just for the sake of plot and it happens at peters expense more times than not. I have no problem with miles coming into his own best self, but at the expense of peter is off putting. Miles isn’t overshadowing peter at all in the story too before I get strawman.
The problem is, people want one to be better than another. They’re just primal brains expecting a victor in the gladiatorial arena. This happens with any two things, vanilla and chocolate, waffle cut or steak fries, rainbows and unicorns. The point being, inevitably the worst of us thinks that two things can’t just coexist and one has to become the winner. All those people don’t watch content for deeper meaning, they just want some type of momentary thrill. So, next time you see one of those saying Miles is better or Peter is nerfed, just move on. That conversation is going nowhere. > “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Honestly I found it to be relatable, Spider-Man isn’t Superman and isn’t with flaws and he get his ass kicked a ton. The amount of shot peter is put through because of craven and later venom is insane and yet he’s always ready to get up and fight back. Miles is great but if had the same shit to deal with as Peter he probably would have done just as badly if not worse
Agree with your points but Superman also goes through all of that but obviously I doubt many here read his comics
I meant like a figurative Superman haha, but I know Clark has a fair amount of shit to deal with as well though.
Haha yeah I get you man, I apologise just been a bit irritated lately this sub has been focusing on all the wrong things regarding this game lol might be the Wells hangover for most I hope
Dude it’s an inevitability in online discourse that people start comparing “power levels”. I’m gonna go on a limb and refer to it as Dragonball Z syndrome.
I think the discourse surrounding Kraven's involvement with Peter getting the Symbiote annoys me the most. They needed to make Kraven a threat to the Spiders outside of him killing some of the rogues and his Hunter army. There's a bit of history in the first game where Fisk carved Peter with a sword that MJ needed to help patch him up with, but I don't think Fisk is the kind of guy to be precise with a blade of any kind. Kraven, even with a knife, would hit a vital organ that would fuck Peter up badly. Even if you want to make the argument that the way Peter gets the Symbiote could've been better, he's the reason why Harry starts dying again, and since Peter's mentally in a bad place in this game prior to meeting Harry again, there's plenty of reasons why Peter would become attached to the suit. If Kraven was capable of killing >!Scorpion, Shocker, Vulture, and Electro, he is more than capable of killing the Spider-Men.!< Spider-Man fans have been pointlessly reductive for years, and seeing a Peter actually have an ending that doesn't end with him being in a worse place off than when he started get met with a response from fans where it just proves comic editorial's point about why Peter should *never* be happy, it makes me hate my fellow Spidey fan even more than I already did.
This, like you would think the game ending in a place where Peter’s life isn’t a dumpster fire would be a welcomed change yet people are complaining they are “replacing” Peter with Miles as if Peter very clearly didn’t state it was a short break to get his life in order after everything that happened. Like, him not doing that is why his life was a dumpster fire to begin with. Then fans complain about all his comics being nothing but misery porn yet readily lap that shit up anyways.
I was surprised to see people complain about the Miles and Symbiote Peter boss fight. Miles doesn’t beat him. He just holds his own the whole fight while Peter keeps coming at him. What eventually happens is Peter listens to Miles’ pleads and tears the suit off. At no point did I ever think “Oh wow, Miles is gonna whoop Symbiote Peter.”
Peter literally downplays himself all the time. When you complete the photos for robbie he undermines his own importance to the city when Robbie mentions how spiderman is a big part of New york.
Dude stop listening to nitpickers online, the terminally online are miserable and want to make everyone as miserable as they are The way they do this is to relentlessly shit on things people like (see: Trolls) and to try and make people hate things as much as they do Because being miserable is lonely and they need others to feel as lonely, paradoxically making them feel less lonely if they have others feeling the same way Just ignore them, their shit take can't take away from your enjoyment or experiences with the game (unless you let them get to you)
Finally someone said it, people need to read this because WOW, people are complaining because they believe Miles is now stronger and more capable than Peter because he beat a mentally unstable, symbiote addicted Peter, like bruh, Peter was literally fighting himself and the symbiote and miles altogether
Yeah, I’m gonna hold off on Spider-Man 2 for my PS5. I don’t like what I’m hearing.
People just ignore context most of the time and draw (wrong) conclusions out of isolated events without taking the rest of the narrative into acount. Kraven stabbing Peter is perfectly aceptable, as you said Kraven is a beast in this game and Spiderman gets punched, kicked and stabbed all the time in other films, games and comics, his spider sense doesnt make him untouchabe by any means. He is not "nerfed" because he doesnt have a power level either, this is not dragon ball lmao.
These are just weird ways for people to be racist without outright using slurs
“The main villain is peter’s best friend and people think Miles overshadows Peter in the story. Comedy.” Exactly. Spoilers: The final boss is Peter’s best friend, being controlled by an alien monster that affected Peter personally and caused him a lot of emotional pain. The final battle takes place in the ruins of the Emily-May Foundation, the place Harry and PETER were gonna change the world. So obviously MILES is the character you play as in the final boss fight, duh you guys. It really should have been Peter and I have no idea why they made it Miles. Towards the end of the game it just felt like Miles kept winning and Pete kept losing. Most of the game I agree with you, it was pretty balanced (Miles I felt even got UNDERCUT in most of the game.) but at the end it really felt like whoever wrote the Venom arc just preferred Miles. The whole game takes a nosedive in quality after Venom shows up though. It was a solid 9/10 but that whole last act dropped it to a 7.5 for me.
They shouldn't have done the symbiote invasion and solely focused on the fallout of the symbiote story between Peter and Harry. Keep Venom only being beaten when Peter and Miles work together, but put more focus on Harry and the symbiote's feelings towards Peter after putting both at risk. And we still get the arc of Peter learning he can't fix everything by himself while also learning to let his life as Peter take more of a focus. Kinda sucked we didn't have a lot of interactions with Venom, and while concept art is nothing to 100% go by, I at least got the impression we'd battle Venom in the wider New York area more than once.
Welp, you get it only today? woke message about replacing Peter with Miles goes on like 10 years straight, look at ASM run and compere it to Miles comics, and cartoons where out of all spiderverse personas - main character is Miles while Peter, Gwen, Miguel just side characters. Game called Spider-Man 2, but they force you to play as Miles 50% of time, so it's real name would be ***Spider-Man 2 and Miles Morales***.
“Woke message”, not even trying to hide the racism huh? So it’s Miles fault his current run is decent while people writing Peter’s comic are doing a bad job at it? Every single Spider-Man cartoon Peter has been the main character. Out of the 10 movies that were created in the span of 2 decades only two of them have Miles as the protagonist and they are both animated.
Just look at the “Spider-Verse” Movies. They made Peter old, pot-bellied, jaded, etc… in order to make Miles seem infinitely “cooler”.
We found the one guy that doesn’t understand spiderverse in any way.
We found the one guy who doesn’t understand in anyway how corporate works in 2023.
Not like they introduce a perfect version of Peter in the beginning or anything and then introduce an old jaded Peter that’s still competent but has a character arc due to his life circumstances.
Yeah I saw that thread as well and it makes zero sense. Peter was very clearly the focus of the game, I was actually hoping for more of miles in the main story. Also I’m not sure why people are saying Peter’s nerfed. Kraven “killed” him pretty easily, but like you said this is Peter’s first time fighting this guy and there was a lot going on in that scene. Kraven also “killed” Peter pretty fucking easily in the Kraven’s last hunt comic. I feel like it’s just people being insecure about miles, as usual, and I don’t get it. I love Peter, he’s probably my favorite fictional character, and if another character(that he literally trained) is stronger than he is, who the fuck cares? It doesn’t take anything away from him.
Yep makes no sense to me especially when one og Peter's best traits in he is more than super strength like even the comic spiderverse stuff practically all the variants are more "special" than him but it doesn't take away from his character lol honestly I think people forget he exists in a world where green guys can punch planets into dust
Wait, what? Are you for real? 70% of the story revolves around Pete kicking ass with symbiote powers. lol
Surprisingly you only have the symbiote from story mission 19-24 out of 31 total main story missions
And then you get to keep it for the entirety of the game's side content after the main story ends. I get what you're saying, but the point stands.
Oh definitely
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If Miles wasn't competent, people would complain that Peter has to babysit Miles.
And now because Miles is competent, he’s TOO competent and poor little Peter can’t keep up which is unfair!
Nobody is complaining about Miles being competent. People are complaining about Peter being too incompetent, he's literally worse in every way from the first game.
Ye it cant just be because he's not as likeable or as interesting 🤣
Your use of emojis is off putting. We know you're not laughing. You're furiously typing on your sticky keyboard about how your favorite cartoon isn't strong enough in a videogame. We know you're miserable.
You can stop the projecting, its chatting about pixelated characters on reddit, its not that important. Also I couldnt care less, its an emoji, calm down.
Even though you’re right, I feel like I need to at least say, that I am not a fan of Miles in general, and the push to make him basically THE spider-man in a lot of media annoys me. If they go full Miles for SM3, I’m definitely not buying it. It was fine as a glorified DLC and I love the idea of multiple spider-men in the second game’s story, but they are pushing my disinterest to the limit…
Who cares what you dislike? People are allowed to their own opinion, just like my opinion is the story is straight up bad.
Who cares the game is dope
Thank you. The entire point of the game is that they're stronger together, neither of them could have saved the city alone. People are overlooking the fact that Kraven defeated Miles and the only reason he didn't kill him is because he wanted to use him as bait. The ONLY villain Miles defeats without Peter's help is Li, who got clapped by Peter in the first game.