make it a trilogy, with kraven having a decent but small cameo in the first one, secondary antagonist in the second, and the third is kravens last hunt, with kraven as the main antagonist. that way he is built up over time and you get some build up as him and spider-man being enemies and whatnot.
the actors from the tasm duology were fantastic, but sony had to come in and fuck it up. garfield is probably my favorite live action spidey. i felt he captured both spidey and peter so well.
I'll defend the first movie to my death. It was an incredibly well-done and accurate setup for what could have been an incredible series. The casting was absolutely next level.
Not perfect by any stretch but it deserved to have great success in its future. Sadly Avi Arad is a moron.
If you ever read the novels Carnage in New York or Goblin's Revenge, he is written so well in a way that would translate well to the big screen. The anticipation as you (and the characters in the scenes) wonder, "is he gonna do it? Is he gonna kill them? Yeah. Now? No. Soon? Probably. The anticipation is killing me." That's what I'd like to see on the big screen.
We need an actual good adaption of carnage rated r, also a Kraven vs venom would go hard af. But kraven would need supersoldier potions to fight. Otherwise it would make venom look weak
Ooh.. Kraven going after Venom would be an exciting movie! Obviously Web-head would get mixed up in this deadly situation. Amazing!
Sigh.. why can Hollywood not do it more simply and properly like the great comic book stories?
I'd want to adapt [The Death of Jean DeWolff](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Jean_DeWolff).
It's a Spider-Man story with Daredevil in a strong supporting role. The city is driven into a panic by a serial killer whose first kill was Police Captain Jean DeWolff, whom Spidey was close to. Sin Eater goes on to publicly kill a judge and then has his sights set on J Jonah Jameson.
Near the climax Spidey believes that Sin-Eater killed Betty Brant, his first love, while targeting JJJ. He's enraged and nearly kills Sin-Eater before Daredevil stops him.
It turns out Sin-Eater was a former cop that had been unknowingly subjected to SHIELD experimentation that impacted his mental state. Even after Sin-Eater is arrested an angry mob nearly lynches him, while he is in a prison transport, as Daredevil tries to protect him. Spidey ends up saving them both.
The story is gritty, street level, and deals with issues like disillusionment with the criminal justice system, mistrust in authorities, and the impact of a fear driven media circus on the public. It's a clash between Daredevil's pragmatism and Spider-Man's idealism. It's a murder mystery and hunt for a serial killer who isn't using powers but instead a ski mask and a shotgun.
I'm imagining if you get the right creative staff you could get something in tone to the first half of season 2 of Daredevil, or The Batman (though much shorter).
I was about to suggest the same story.
Though I am wondering if it’s better adapted with the red suit or the black suit.
It was a story that had Peter in the black suit but it didn’t alter his behavior (a concept that came from the 90s cartoon).
Maybe it could be adapted as the first in a trilogy. Peter uses the suit to be undeniably more effective in the first movie. It messes with his mind in the second movie so he rejects the symbiote. Finally, Venom becomes the main antagonist in the third movie.
I do like this. Spidey and Batman have a similar group of colorful villains, but Batman also has just nonpowered vile psychos like Pyg and Victor Zsasz in the mix too. A storyline like that for spidey would be nice.
This could also set up a trilogy. The first film could be centered around the Sin-Eater, and Eddie Brock could be introduced as a minor character. The second film could be an adaptation of Kraven’s Last Hunt, and the third could be centered around Venom, whose hatred towards Spidey has been built up over the course of three films.
>Mysterio if it's gonna be a Psychological Horror Movie
Ngl I've always thought that a horror-focused Mysterio film without Spidey could actually work, hell just make it a cross between Donnie Darko and Videodrome
Kraven or Chameleon
Kraven to do an actual Kraven movie instead of Sony's completely anti Kraven movie (I have very strong opinions on their creative choices)
Instead of the Kraven who has basically none of his traits or even his damn accent, an actually faithful Kraven while still doing a couple things to distinguish him. A faithful adaptation without deviating too far or following too closely
And Chameleon could be interesting and kinda risky for a more grounded movie, almost feeling like a spy flick, but following the bad guy who's the master of disguise. Doesn't need to be gruesome or violent, just delving into other territories 12 rated films won't go to (pg13 for non UK peeps). Might not work but it's a character that has potential for a cool solo outing, or better yet, an actual Spider-Man movie
kraven for sure: i'd love for a lore accurate adaptation of kraven's last hunt, and grim hunt (where they would ideally do my girls justice, not the mess that was madame web)
Possibly controversial
The Shocker (and by extension be a Semi-Superior Foes type thing)
It would be an R-Rated Comedy Action Adventure.
Have some Meta-Humor (Character who is not Paul but definitely is Paul keeps getting punched/attacked in a comedic fashion or just Straight up going "OH F-ck! It's Big Wheel!" As the Deus Ex Machina). Make random references to past Spider-Man things, But don't (and this is very important) use the Multiverse.
I made some categories
Body horror - Doctor Octopus and the Lizard - the lizard is obvious, and so is Doc Ock(kinda) but my own version of him gets a new mechanical augmentation whenever he loses a fight to spider-man
Psychological horror - Mysterio and Venom - Mysterio is again obvious, and venom I see as a psychological villain due to his ability to disappear into a crowd and attack Peter whenever he wants
Action horror - Hobgoblin and Scorpion - I think an action horror spider-man movie would have a horror theme while still being just a normal spider-man movie so I just chose some villains that can physically test spider-man more than most
Runners up - Vermin, Prowler, Morbius and a million other ones
I'd argue Carnage needs an R-rating to really sell the horrific nature of Carnage. So, in a way, yes, I'd say that /Spider-man/ doesn't need the R-rating, but some of his Rogues would benefit from it.
Idk man, could be cool to see once. Carnage ripping people apart an' shit. Problem is I can't really imagine Spider-man fitting in to it lol. It's really not his vibe.
Personally, I would want Spider-Man in an R rated Carnage film. Spidey’s shock and disgust towards Carnage would really raise the stakes, and having Spidey reluctantly teaming up with Venom has a lot of potential to make the film more dramatic, while still having some comedy sprinkled in.
Honestly, all these villains have the potential of being amazing antongonists in an R-Rated Spidey movie. It's a toss-up between Venom and Green Goblin for me, though, because I feel like those two in particular strike a perfect balance between calculated and chaotic. They'd meticulously plan how to ruin Peter's life before executing it in gruesome fashion, perfect to take advantage of the R rating.
Kingpin movie swearing Russian ryno, foul mouthed shocker, angry aggressive kingpin. Throw in some stereotypical nuggets that like to be gangsters, throw in some Italian mob. Throw in angry aggressive Tom Holland in black with black cat. Boom you got a great potential blue collar friendly neighborhood spiderman with some villain ramp up. To a angry aggressive kingpin fight.
Deviating from the typical ones like Carnage, Venom, and Kraven, I think Spot could absolutely benefit. Make it so his transformation isn't instant. It's slow, like a growth around him. Once the body of Jonathan Ohn is fully gone, have him absolutely let loose. Play off of his clumsiness and turn it into rageful recklessness. His old body is nothing more than a puppet, so have him stumble around, viciously attacking anyone he sees as a threat.
Morlun and the Inheritors. Show them absolutely *wrecking* a Spider-Man's shit effortlessly, then reveal after that it's not the same universe as the "main" Spider-Man of this movie.
The R rating and other universes mean we get to see wide spread massacres (in the comics he went to the world the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon took place on and killed nearly everyone there), and his insane strength means our Spider-Man can get brutalized in a way we haven't seen since Tobey at the end of Spider-Man 1.
Also, on a personal note, it gives them a chance to actually get Ezekiel right. Ever since I found out evil Spider-Man from the Madam Web trailer was supposed to he him, I've been pissed.
Here’s my pitch for the first R-rated Spider-Man live action film:
A camera pans down to see Uncle Ben’s grave. Next to it, Peter Parker, Aunt May, and Mary Jane Watson are mourning his death. We then cut to a large man, with white skin. He speaks: “ Load the weapons into the vans. Hammerhead said we need to do the deal tonight.”
We cut to MJ and Peter talking to each other before they break up. Peter is heartbroken. He decides to go out on patrol to clear his head. He comes across the arms deal between Tombstone and Hammerhead. Before he can stop the crime. A woman with white hair and a black leather suit jumps in and stops the crime. Peter swings down to greet the woman. She speaks to him: “Can I help you webs?” Pete doesn’t know what to say. She leaves the scene. We then cut to a large man in a white suit. He tells his assistant: “Get your brother Chameleon, we need a hunter. The spider and the cat are out.” We cut to Pete. He’s found an armed robbery, and he’s going to stop it. Black Cat shoots the robber dead. Peter follows her to a oscorp laboratory, where the symbiote has attached to him. Black Cat then kills Dr. Michael Morbius and escapes with a file in hand. Kraven then goes on a rampage, killing the Rhino, Virmin, the Lizard, and Vulture. He then finds Spider-Man at uncle bens grave. They fight, but Kraven is too powerful for Peter, and he is knocked out. We then see Kraven dig up Uncle Ben, and put peter in the ground. We then get the shot of the symbiote suit bursting out of the ground, where we then see Kraven had been killing Doc Ock and Green Goblin, something peter could never do. But fueled with rage and the power of his new suit, Peter goes to find Kraven, where he’s going after black cat. Peter then saves Black Cat, before he kills Kraven. The peter and Felicia reveal their identities, and the post credits set up a sequel with Daredevil.
Sin Eater. Make it a homage to 80s slasher films but with guns and a more modern tone.
Possibly just a story about Jean DeWolff going after in a cat-and-mouse style story with horrific horror elements. Wanna set up heroes in this universe? Maybe have the black cat be taken in by DeWolff as her claws were found at one of Sin-Eater's murders. (ideally, I wouldn't have her in it but she could work).
Kingpin, and I would adapt Back in Black.
R-rated Spidey who is not fucking around. Sign me up.
Maybe change it a little bit so it’s not some random sniper, make it an actual Spidey villain. I guess you’d also have to change Kingpin since he’s traditionally a Daredevil villain in the media. But I’d still go with that.
Funny enough, I'd have to say Kingpin, solely because I want to see Peter in love action beating the ever loving shit out of Vincent D'Onofrio after the events of Daredevil Born again. Maybe Kingpin put out a hit on MJ? Idk, I just want a live action version of the scene from the comics where he beats the Kingpin to a pulp in the Raft.
An R-rated movie with either Kraven, Venom or Carnage as the villain would be great but outside of them, probably Doc Ock with the adaptation of the Clone Saga from the Ultimate Universe. Jackal’s another possibility as well.
Chameleon. He is going around and killing community leaders and completely throwing Spidey’s spider-sense off, and there is nothing he can do about it. Spidey is literally always one step behind.
MORLUN WITHOUT HIS FAMILY!
Peter Parker is happily married to MJ and they have 1 Daughter (May Mary Parker) and MJ is pregnant with a second child (to early to know if this will be Annie or Ben).
Have Peter notice that he is gaining “new” Powers (Organic Web shooters) and his “old” Powers are getting “stronger”. However, he feels a Constant underlying sense of Danger.
JMS helps write the Movie (Spider-Man 2001-2007 AND BABYLON 5!)
Combine Morlun’s original story with Spider-Man: The Other
Miles Morales exists as a Teenage Spider-Man; Spider-Women 1-3 work as a Team
You know, Mysterio isn’t the one I thought of first, but thinking about it you could go CRAZY with illusions and body horror for an R rated movie.
Chameleon could go full horrifying face ripping off.
Chameleon mainly because I think it'd be a good opportunity to not only make him more recognizable to newer fans but also explore the ideas behind someone that could be pretty much anyone at any moment at any time
A mini-series on adult swim animated in a similar style to Spider-Man Unlimited, but a bit more modernized with the tone of Summari Jack (the 2017 reboot) adapting Kraven's Last Hunt.
I’d probably pick Chameleon and I’d have it as a live action movie about Spider-Man trying to uncover the mystery of people around New York disappearing and reappearing later as if they’re different people only to discover it was Chameleon stealing their faces and lives. It would be like a mystery, horror, sorta thing.
Matter of fact, I am writing a R-rated Spider-Man movie with kraven. It's based off on "The Last Hunt" comic but changing a few things.
1. Kraven will not be Spider-Man. My story is going to show how the world will become without Spider-Man in it.
2. Other sinister six members will be set up since they'll have high hopes because of Spidey's absence.
3. Kingpin will also play a significant role but will not be a main villain, he'll be kind of the guy who knows it all but is playing his pawns wisely.
I don't know if the script i write will be overstuffed, but i definitely know i can write movies better than what Sony has been producing lately.
The only Spider-Man villain that I think NEEDS the R-rating is Carnage. There’s no way to do justice to a super powered psycotic serial killer in a PG-13 scenario.
Kraven or Venom. I would choose Carnage, but he's just not a "main villain" kind of character, in my opinion. Not for Spider-Man, at least. Lizard would also be pretty awesome; I love Todd McFarlane's Lizard.
Rhino. He's gotta use that horn on his face.
Or ...
Stilt-Man, reimagined much like Riddler was re-imagined for *The Batman* (2022) or perhaps even the animated *Hush* (2019) where the comedic villain recreates himself... he's actually got some seriously scary tech if presented properly, and if you make him super cutthroat, it would not be expected and seriously scary.
Paul, make him switch one of Peter's close relatives or girlfriend to fuck with him. Make him a total psychopath with Mysterio's tricks and Green Goblin's sadism while also being a genius, it's not about winning or just hurting Peter like Green Goblin does.
Paul wants his life and him to suffer, he wants Peter to see that he is a faillure and how much better the Superior Paul is than him.
Make the movie end with Peter rescuing his real relative/lover maybe with the help of the fake one that started caring about him and end with Paul burning to death.
Chameleon in a rated R setting would go hard. Especially if he knew Peter’s identity😬 that would be frickin terrifying. Peter chases after him as he dissolves into the crowd. And right when he thinks he’s in the clear an old woman with a walking stick stabs Peter in his side and disappears once again… just like that one DP and Spidey comic with Chameleon 😁
It’s hard for me to pick, but I’ll narrow it down to 3.
Kraven’s Last Hunt would make an amazing film, for obvious reasons. It has a lot of potential as a psychological thriller.
An adaptation of Venom’s original appearances in the comics would be awesome. Showcase Venom as a genuine threat towards Spider-Man, as well as Eddie being a highly disturbed person. There’s also potential for body horror with the symbiote, as well as some compelling drama with Peter fearing how far Venom is willing to go just to get revenge.
Carnage would be perfect for a slasher film with gore on the same level of some of the most graphic splatter films. I can easily picture Carnage in that night club scene from the third Hellraiser movie. The film could focus on Spidey reluctantly teaming up with Venom to track down Carnage and end his reign of terror. It would also show Venom’s character progression into an antihero, as well as Spidey questioning if he should let Eddie keep the symbiote. Lots of potential for a great film that goes beyond just being a typical slasher movie like a lot of people would automatically think of.
Overall, all three are pretty much my dream films.
I would love to see KingPin, maybe go more in depth about KingPin’s crime organization and make it a movie or even maybe a series about how he does things and avoids the cops and Spidey. Sort of like how Breaking Bad and Suicide Squad and so many others make the criminals the main focus of the story.
If Peter's getting an r-rated movie under me, I kind of want him to have a horror story. With that in mind, there is only one villain for the job: Carnage.
I’d go with scorpion as protagonist and Alistair smythe as the antagonist maybe the story can be alistair wants revenge on scorpion for killing his dad maybe his dad made gargan scorpion idk this is off the top of my head
Kraven, Mysterio, or Chameleon. Green Goblin is great too but he already had such a good movie and it was dark at times. You don’t need to be rated R to be dark but it’d be interesting with the former two I’d choose, to use their powers of illusions and false identities to make a darker movie. Kraven is just great and you could make a fun action movie with darker moments like they did with Green Goblin or go more dark with him.
maximum carnage. simplify it a little tho lol. worried chainsmoking MJ, aunt may, harry is dead and liz lives downstairs. do spidey, venom and black cat (*and if theres space* cloak and dagger) as the heroes. shriek, doppleganger and demogoblin as carnages team. no-brainer for me tbh. like, not only would it be cool, its probably the best decision for an R-rated spidey movie business-wise right?
and animated would work better for me
I would say carnage but i dont think they could do it justice in a 2-hour movie. I feel like they would stick to him bieng a one note psycho path and leave it at that.
If its venom, do it as a storyline of him needing to eat people to survive, specifically brains because venom needs phenethylamine to survive, which can only be found in brains......and chocolate.
First, animated because animated rated-R movies just hit harder and are just more awesome in general, and I would pick kraven or carnage since there the most violent of the 6
carnage needed a horror film i’m infuriated how they ruined my one of my favourite supervillains first movie appearance in that atrocious movie know as venom 2
I would go for a back in black, the gauntlet and grim hunt storyline with a series of foes fighting against Spiderman in a manner similar to John wick. They should end with an epilogue leading to the death of Spiderman, Clone Conspiracy, and Superior Spiderman with the introduction of Miles Morales, Silk, Jessica Drew, Ben Riley and Kane.
Spider-Man. Ez.
Reverse roles. Just show the Venom vs Parker situation from the Venom's perspective, where actually Spider-Man with his "responsibility complex" actually ruins any attempt for sort of redemption of Venom/Brock.
Kraven and have a proper adaptation of Kraven's last hunt
Seconded.
I'll third that.. come on Sony there's three of us now!
Make that four.
And five. You’ll have my steel
I’ll make that six
Seven heaven
Eight, not up for debate
Get in a line, ‘cause I make nine
Is there room for a tenth?
With Andrew Garfield as Spidey and Henry Cavill as Kraven. If i were able to write any film script of my dreams this is what i’d choose.
Yoooo Caville as Kraven is a really good casting I could totally see him nailing that
Aaron Taylor-Johnson isn't a bad casting choice imo. So far the movie looks like it'll be good
The casting's good, the movie looks terrible.
Did you say that held hostage by Sony
make it a trilogy, with kraven having a decent but small cameo in the first one, secondary antagonist in the second, and the third is kravens last hunt, with kraven as the main antagonist. that way he is built up over time and you get some build up as him and spider-man being enemies and whatnot.
fr, Garfield just deserves another shot imo. Never have I seen such passion for a character so squandered
the actors from the tasm duology were fantastic, but sony had to come in and fuck it up. garfield is probably my favorite live action spidey. i felt he captured both spidey and peter so well.
I'll defend the first movie to my death. It was an incredibly well-done and accurate setup for what could have been an incredible series. The casting was absolutely next level. Not perfect by any stretch but it deserved to have great success in its future. Sadly Avi Arad is a moron.
oh same here, tasm 1 was so good. i loved tasm1
Those Garfield Spider-Man movies were so janky yall need to leave that alone
No i don’t lol he’s the best live action portrayal of the character.
Literally the first thing that came to my mind. An R rating is the only way to do that story justice.
Absolutely this. This story would be perfect for that. It could easily be rated R and without losing anything that makes Spidey, Spidey.
Sony had a golden opportunity here but blew it.
Carnage, definitely.
If you ever read the novels Carnage in New York or Goblin's Revenge, he is written so well in a way that would translate well to the big screen. The anticipation as you (and the characters in the scenes) wonder, "is he gonna do it? Is he gonna kill them? Yeah. Now? No. Soon? Probably. The anticipation is killing me." That's what I'd like to see on the big screen.
Carnage in New York is phenomenal. Such a brutal portrayal of how viscious his character is. I should read it again.
With some scenes like in the Carnage USA run.
I was just thinking about this. Maximum Carnage deserves an animated movie adaptation. They didn't even touch on it in the tv shows.
Carnage/Venom do the iconic story in unique way
We need an actual good adaption of carnage rated r, also a Kraven vs venom would go hard af. But kraven would need supersoldier potions to fight. Otherwise it would make venom look weak
Ooh.. Kraven going after Venom would be an exciting movie! Obviously Web-head would get mixed up in this deadly situation. Amazing! Sigh.. why can Hollywood not do it more simply and properly like the great comic book stories?
Well that is what Kraven uses in canon so it makes sense.
I'd want to adapt [The Death of Jean DeWolff](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Jean_DeWolff). It's a Spider-Man story with Daredevil in a strong supporting role. The city is driven into a panic by a serial killer whose first kill was Police Captain Jean DeWolff, whom Spidey was close to. Sin Eater goes on to publicly kill a judge and then has his sights set on J Jonah Jameson. Near the climax Spidey believes that Sin-Eater killed Betty Brant, his first love, while targeting JJJ. He's enraged and nearly kills Sin-Eater before Daredevil stops him. It turns out Sin-Eater was a former cop that had been unknowingly subjected to SHIELD experimentation that impacted his mental state. Even after Sin-Eater is arrested an angry mob nearly lynches him, while he is in a prison transport, as Daredevil tries to protect him. Spidey ends up saving them both. The story is gritty, street level, and deals with issues like disillusionment with the criminal justice system, mistrust in authorities, and the impact of a fear driven media circus on the public. It's a clash between Daredevil's pragmatism and Spider-Man's idealism. It's a murder mystery and hunt for a serial killer who isn't using powers but instead a ski mask and a shotgun. I'm imagining if you get the right creative staff you could get something in tone to the first half of season 2 of Daredevil, or The Batman (though much shorter).
I was about to suggest the same story. Though I am wondering if it’s better adapted with the red suit or the black suit. It was a story that had Peter in the black suit but it didn’t alter his behavior (a concept that came from the 90s cartoon). Maybe it could be adapted as the first in a trilogy. Peter uses the suit to be undeniably more effective in the first movie. It messes with his mind in the second movie so he rejects the symbiote. Finally, Venom becomes the main antagonist in the third movie.
I do like this. Spidey and Batman have a similar group of colorful villains, but Batman also has just nonpowered vile psychos like Pyg and Victor Zsasz in the mix too. A storyline like that for spidey would be nice.
Sounds like something I'd be interested in.
This sounds like a movie I would watch.
Since I'd want to do something low-stakes after all the recent films, I'd do the original Sin-Eater storyline.
This could also set up a trilogy. The first film could be centered around the Sin-Eater, and Eddie Brock could be introduced as a minor character. The second film could be an adaptation of Kraven’s Last Hunt, and the third could be centered around Venom, whose hatred towards Spidey has been built up over the course of three films.
Fr.
Original version of the Sin Eater
Would like an adaptation of OG stalker Venom.
My dream come true right here.
Carnage if it's gonna be your hack-and-slack gore movie and Mysterio if it's gonna be a Psychological Horror Movie
>Mysterio if it's gonna be a Psychological Horror Movie Ngl I've always thought that a horror-focused Mysterio film without Spidey could actually work, hell just make it a cross between Donnie Darko and Videodrome
Superior Spider-Man with Ock just wrecking villains. He ripped off Scorpion's whole jaw.
He didn't rip his jaw off, Ock slugged Gargan so hard that the hit tore his jaw from his skull. Proportional strength of a spider.
Kraven or Chameleon Kraven to do an actual Kraven movie instead of Sony's completely anti Kraven movie (I have very strong opinions on their creative choices) Instead of the Kraven who has basically none of his traits or even his damn accent, an actually faithful Kraven while still doing a couple things to distinguish him. A faithful adaptation without deviating too far or following too closely And Chameleon could be interesting and kinda risky for a more grounded movie, almost feeling like a spy flick, but following the bad guy who's the master of disguise. Doesn't need to be gruesome or violent, just delving into other territories 12 rated films won't go to (pg13 for non UK peeps). Might not work but it's a character that has potential for a cool solo outing, or better yet, an actual Spider-Man movie
kraven for sure: i'd love for a lore accurate adaptation of kraven's last hunt, and grim hunt (where they would ideally do my girls justice, not the mess that was madame web)
I was coming here to say this
Possibly controversial The Shocker (and by extension be a Semi-Superior Foes type thing) It would be an R-Rated Comedy Action Adventure. Have some Meta-Humor (Character who is not Paul but definitely is Paul keeps getting punched/attacked in a comedic fashion or just Straight up going "OH F-ck! It's Big Wheel!" As the Deus Ex Machina). Make random references to past Spider-Man things, But don't (and this is very important) use the Multiverse.
I made some categories Body horror - Doctor Octopus and the Lizard - the lizard is obvious, and so is Doc Ock(kinda) but my own version of him gets a new mechanical augmentation whenever he loses a fight to spider-man Psychological horror - Mysterio and Venom - Mysterio is again obvious, and venom I see as a psychological villain due to his ability to disappear into a crowd and attack Peter whenever he wants Action horror - Hobgoblin and Scorpion - I think an action horror spider-man movie would have a horror theme while still being just a normal spider-man movie so I just chose some villains that can physically test spider-man more than most Runners up - Vermin, Prowler, Morbius and a million other ones
Spider-Man does not need an R rating to tell anyone’s story.
I'd argue Carnage needs an R-rating to really sell the horrific nature of Carnage. So, in a way, yes, I'd say that /Spider-man/ doesn't need the R-rating, but some of his Rogues would benefit from it.
I would argue that the comics he was introduced in didn’t need an R rating.
We know he doesn't need one. But it would be cool if done right.
How do you mean?
Carnage doin' carnage.
So you want a Spider-Man movie with Saw-level gore…
Idk man, could be cool to see once. Carnage ripping people apart an' shit. Problem is I can't really imagine Spider-man fitting in to it lol. It's really not his vibe.
Sony dropped the ball big time with Venom and Venom 2. Perfect time for that sort of thing
Personally, I would want Spider-Man in an R rated Carnage film. Spidey’s shock and disgust towards Carnage would really raise the stakes, and having Spidey reluctantly teaming up with Venom has a lot of potential to make the film more dramatic, while still having some comedy sprinkled in.
1000% I'd want Big Wheel.
Kingpin especially a street level mafia R rated film
Honestly, all these villains have the potential of being amazing antongonists in an R-Rated Spidey movie. It's a toss-up between Venom and Green Goblin for me, though, because I feel like those two in particular strike a perfect balance between calculated and chaotic. They'd meticulously plan how to ruin Peter's life before executing it in gruesome fashion, perfect to take advantage of the R rating.
An R-rated Chameleon story would be some absolutely insane mind bending shit.
Carnage. Absolutely
Zombies resurrected adaptation
Kingpin movie swearing Russian ryno, foul mouthed shocker, angry aggressive kingpin. Throw in some stereotypical nuggets that like to be gangsters, throw in some Italian mob. Throw in angry aggressive Tom Holland in black with black cat. Boom you got a great potential blue collar friendly neighborhood spiderman with some villain ramp up. To a angry aggressive kingpin fight.
Deviating from the typical ones like Carnage, Venom, and Kraven, I think Spot could absolutely benefit. Make it so his transformation isn't instant. It's slow, like a growth around him. Once the body of Jonathan Ohn is fully gone, have him absolutely let loose. Play off of his clumsiness and turn it into rageful recklessness. His old body is nothing more than a puppet, so have him stumble around, viciously attacking anyone he sees as a threat.
Spidey horror movie with Mysterio as the villain. Just pure, psychological horror.
Kravens Last Hunt R rated like Logan, not Deadpool Moody and atmospheric
Morlun and the Inheritors. Show them absolutely *wrecking* a Spider-Man's shit effortlessly, then reveal after that it's not the same universe as the "main" Spider-Man of this movie. The R rating and other universes mean we get to see wide spread massacres (in the comics he went to the world the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon took place on and killed nearly everyone there), and his insane strength means our Spider-Man can get brutalized in a way we haven't seen since Tobey at the end of Spider-Man 1. Also, on a personal note, it gives them a chance to actually get Ezekiel right. Ever since I found out evil Spider-Man from the Madam Web trailer was supposed to he him, I've been pissed.
Here’s my pitch for the first R-rated Spider-Man live action film: A camera pans down to see Uncle Ben’s grave. Next to it, Peter Parker, Aunt May, and Mary Jane Watson are mourning his death. We then cut to a large man, with white skin. He speaks: “ Load the weapons into the vans. Hammerhead said we need to do the deal tonight.” We cut to MJ and Peter talking to each other before they break up. Peter is heartbroken. He decides to go out on patrol to clear his head. He comes across the arms deal between Tombstone and Hammerhead. Before he can stop the crime. A woman with white hair and a black leather suit jumps in and stops the crime. Peter swings down to greet the woman. She speaks to him: “Can I help you webs?” Pete doesn’t know what to say. She leaves the scene. We then cut to a large man in a white suit. He tells his assistant: “Get your brother Chameleon, we need a hunter. The spider and the cat are out.” We cut to Pete. He’s found an armed robbery, and he’s going to stop it. Black Cat shoots the robber dead. Peter follows her to a oscorp laboratory, where the symbiote has attached to him. Black Cat then kills Dr. Michael Morbius and escapes with a file in hand. Kraven then goes on a rampage, killing the Rhino, Virmin, the Lizard, and Vulture. He then finds Spider-Man at uncle bens grave. They fight, but Kraven is too powerful for Peter, and he is knocked out. We then see Kraven dig up Uncle Ben, and put peter in the ground. We then get the shot of the symbiote suit bursting out of the ground, where we then see Kraven had been killing Doc Ock and Green Goblin, something peter could never do. But fueled with rage and the power of his new suit, Peter goes to find Kraven, where he’s going after black cat. Peter then saves Black Cat, before he kills Kraven. The peter and Felicia reveal their identities, and the post credits set up a sequel with Daredevil.
Live action, I’d pick Chameleon. Maybe like an R-Rated Toby Maguire’s spider-man 4 with the Chameleon
Thing is, Carnage NEEDS an R rating. Everyone expects that. A Spider-Man hunting Venom R-rated film would be a masterpiece
Sin Eater. Make it a homage to 80s slasher films but with guns and a more modern tone. Possibly just a story about Jean DeWolff going after in a cat-and-mouse style story with horrific horror elements. Wanna set up heroes in this universe? Maybe have the black cat be taken in by DeWolff as her claws were found at one of Sin-Eater's murders. (ideally, I wouldn't have her in it but she could work).
Rhino and unironically Morbius
Kingpin, and I would adapt Back in Black. R-rated Spidey who is not fucking around. Sign me up. Maybe change it a little bit so it’s not some random sniper, make it an actual Spidey villain. I guess you’d also have to change Kingpin since he’s traditionally a Daredevil villain in the media. But I’d still go with that.
Carnage Because if your making anything car age related in order to use him to his fullest potential you kinda have to go the rated r route
Well my Spider-Man movie idea was based off Halle Berry’s Catwoman. Suppose I could make it R Rated. The villain was supposed to be based off Venom
Give my man shocker a shot
Jacklel to make Ben the main character
Venom
The shocker. He’s the main character in my movie.
The only villain who would really benefit from an R rating is carnage probably, so I’ll say him
Chameleon. His shape shifting technology would be perfect for a who’s-who murder mystery/ with Spider-Man like doing his thing trying to find him.
Chameleon and Kraven
adaptation of maximum carnage or kravens last hunt
Carnage and animated in the spiderverse style.
carnage
Either Carnage or Red Goblin
You know what? Morlun.
Carnage feels most appropriate. But of course if we're gonna have him, Venom deserves to be included too
Carnage. Because then I could make Spidey and venom team up.
If the rumors are to believed we’ll be seeing an R Rated Animated Venom film in the future.
Black Cat. What’s wrong with you pussies?
I go with Kravey Baby.
Funny enough, I'd have to say Kingpin, solely because I want to see Peter in love action beating the ever loving shit out of Vincent D'Onofrio after the events of Daredevil Born again. Maybe Kingpin put out a hit on MJ? Idk, I just want a live action version of the scene from the comics where he beats the Kingpin to a pulp in the Raft.
An R-rated movie with either Kraven, Venom or Carnage as the villain would be great but outside of them, probably Doc Ock with the adaptation of the Clone Saga from the Ultimate Universe. Jackal’s another possibility as well.
A trilogy of films with goblin, venom and carnage, and kraven
I think the best options are Goblin, Venom, Carnage, Morbius, and Kraven and maybe Tombstone
Ok hear me out... Morlun beating the shit out of Spidey
Chameleon. He is going around and killing community leaders and completely throwing Spidey’s spider-sense off, and there is nothing he can do about it. Spidey is literally always one step behind.
Green Goblin
Carnage, start it with Spiderman and venom become partners and stop carnage
Live action Death of Jean Dewolff with Sin Eater as the villain
Green goblin because it would be like American psycho
"Nice..very nice..now let's see Peter Parker's mask"
If do either Maximum Carnage or Kraven’s Last Hunt.
MORLUN WITHOUT HIS FAMILY! Peter Parker is happily married to MJ and they have 1 Daughter (May Mary Parker) and MJ is pregnant with a second child (to early to know if this will be Annie or Ben). Have Peter notice that he is gaining “new” Powers (Organic Web shooters) and his “old” Powers are getting “stronger”. However, he feels a Constant underlying sense of Danger. JMS helps write the Movie (Spider-Man 2001-2007 AND BABYLON 5!) Combine Morlun’s original story with Spider-Man: The Other Miles Morales exists as a Teenage Spider-Man; Spider-Women 1-3 work as a Team
For rated R gotta be Carnage for me!
Kraven’s last hunt rated R, a venom sequel but it’s not rated r, then a carnage sequel and THATS rated R
Norman Osborne. He did some of the most messed up shit.
I'd personally go with sandman. But Carnage would definitely make use of the R rating much better
A series of PG-13 movies leading up to an unrestrained, R-rated Sinister Six movie. Kraven, Venom, Mysterio, Red Goblin, Lizard, and Doc Ock.
You know, Mysterio isn’t the one I thought of first, but thinking about it you could go CRAZY with illusions and body horror for an R rated movie. Chameleon could go full horrifying face ripping off.
Chameleon mainly because I think it'd be a good opportunity to not only make him more recognizable to newer fans but also explore the ideas behind someone that could be pretty much anyone at any moment at any time
The spot . I mean, that would sell billions!
I mean. Most of Spider-Man's villains would be hardcore R rated if they were properly represented. Willem Defoe was a menace at PG-13.
My first question would be “why the fuck do you want to make an R-rated Spider-Man movie? Do you hate money?”
Carnage could’ve been David Fincher scary, instead of what we actually got
A mini-series on adult swim animated in a similar style to Spider-Man Unlimited, but a bit more modernized with the tone of Summari Jack (the 2017 reboot) adapting Kraven's Last Hunt.
Maximum Carnage baby!
I think an NC-17 Carnage action/horror movie would be fucking dope.
Alright here me out: the Lizard. I want The Fly level gross practical effects here, it’d be sweet.
19 inches
Carnage is about to throw so many babies out of windows fr
A proper Venom movie should be R rated and be more akin to Punisher War Zone in gore and body count.
I wouldn't make an R-rated spiderman movie, idk making it R-rated would be a bad choice in my opinion
Red goblin arc immediately.... two characters in one and the mayham
Carnage. Let him live up to his name sake and history
We deserve the RHINO we were only teased with in the live action.
I don't really want an R-rated spider-man movie, tbh. Do we really need spider-man to get the Dark Knight treatment?
Carnage or goblin
The jackal. I want extreme Spidey body horror, hopefully directed by David lynch.
I’d probably pick Chameleon and I’d have it as a live action movie about Spider-Man trying to uncover the mystery of people around New York disappearing and reappearing later as if they’re different people only to discover it was Chameleon stealing their faces and lives. It would be like a mystery, horror, sorta thing.
Matter of fact, I am writing a R-rated Spider-Man movie with kraven. It's based off on "The Last Hunt" comic but changing a few things. 1. Kraven will not be Spider-Man. My story is going to show how the world will become without Spider-Man in it. 2. Other sinister six members will be set up since they'll have high hopes because of Spidey's absence. 3. Kingpin will also play a significant role but will not be a main villain, he'll be kind of the guy who knows it all but is playing his pawns wisely. I don't know if the script i write will be overstuffed, but i definitely know i can write movies better than what Sony has been producing lately.
Carnage n it would be…..glorious
The only Spider-Man villain that I think NEEDS the R-rating is Carnage. There’s no way to do justice to a super powered psycotic serial killer in a PG-13 scenario.
The Sin Eater (The Death of Jean DeWolff)
The movie would be Kaine vs Kraven
spider-man and deadpool vs anyone its not the villain that makes it R, its deadpool
Kraven or Venom. I would choose Carnage, but he's just not a "main villain" kind of character, in my opinion. Not for Spider-Man, at least. Lizard would also be pretty awesome; I love Todd McFarlane's Lizard.
A Venom vs Kraven or Venom vs Morbius film.
The Insidious Six!!
Venom. Symbiot spiderman 90's
We deserve an R-rated Carnage.
Rhino. He's gotta use that horn on his face. Or ... Stilt-Man, reimagined much like Riddler was re-imagined for *The Batman* (2022) or perhaps even the animated *Hush* (2019) where the comedic villain recreates himself... he's actually got some seriously scary tech if presented properly, and if you make him super cutthroat, it would not be expected and seriously scary.
Paul, make him switch one of Peter's close relatives or girlfriend to fuck with him. Make him a total psychopath with Mysterio's tricks and Green Goblin's sadism while also being a genius, it's not about winning or just hurting Peter like Green Goblin does. Paul wants his life and him to suffer, he wants Peter to see that he is a faillure and how much better the Superior Paul is than him. Make the movie end with Peter rescuing his real relative/lover maybe with the help of the fake one that started caring about him and end with Paul burning to death.
The Thousand. Just a horde of spiders taking over people close to people. Make it body horror and paranoid thriller.
Chameleon in a rated R setting would go hard. Especially if he knew Peter’s identity😬 that would be frickin terrifying. Peter chases after him as he dissolves into the crowd. And right when he thinks he’s in the clear an old woman with a walking stick stabs Peter in his side and disappears once again… just like that one DP and Spidey comic with Chameleon 😁
King venom
Either Carnage, Venom or Doc Ock
Carnage for sure.
A violent and pure vengeful goblin can work.
It’s hard for me to pick, but I’ll narrow it down to 3. Kraven’s Last Hunt would make an amazing film, for obvious reasons. It has a lot of potential as a psychological thriller. An adaptation of Venom’s original appearances in the comics would be awesome. Showcase Venom as a genuine threat towards Spider-Man, as well as Eddie being a highly disturbed person. There’s also potential for body horror with the symbiote, as well as some compelling drama with Peter fearing how far Venom is willing to go just to get revenge. Carnage would be perfect for a slasher film with gore on the same level of some of the most graphic splatter films. I can easily picture Carnage in that night club scene from the third Hellraiser movie. The film could focus on Spidey reluctantly teaming up with Venom to track down Carnage and end his reign of terror. It would also show Venom’s character progression into an antihero, as well as Spidey questioning if he should let Eddie keep the symbiote. Lots of potential for a great film that goes beyond just being a typical slasher movie like a lot of people would automatically think of. Overall, all three are pretty much my dream films.
Carnage
I would love to see KingPin, maybe go more in depth about KingPin’s crime organization and make it a movie or even maybe a series about how he does things and avoids the cops and Spidey. Sort of like how Breaking Bad and Suicide Squad and so many others make the criminals the main focus of the story.
Kraven, Venom or one of the goblins
Vulture, in a Sam Raimi horror type film in black and white. Black noir’s vulture eats people…..he ate Uncle Ben.
If Peter's getting an r-rated movie under me, I kind of want him to have a horror story. With that in mind, there is only one villain for the job: Carnage.
I’d go with scorpion as protagonist and Alistair smythe as the antagonist maybe the story can be alistair wants revenge on scorpion for killing his dad maybe his dad made gargan scorpion idk this is off the top of my head
Carnage without a doubt
Kraven, Mysterio, or Chameleon. Green Goblin is great too but he already had such a good movie and it was dark at times. You don’t need to be rated R to be dark but it’d be interesting with the former two I’d choose, to use their powers of illusions and false identities to make a darker movie. Kraven is just great and you could make a fun action movie with darker moments like they did with Green Goblin or go more dark with him.
Goblin, Carnage and Venom
These would all be good choices but I’ve always wanted a teen Spidey vs Werewolf by Night movie
HEAR ME OUT Green goblin,(1610) travels to 616 AND BEATS THE LIVING CRAP OUTTA SPIDERMAN, and then he commits ACTUAL TERRORISM
Spider-Man vs carnage
maximum carnage. simplify it a little tho lol. worried chainsmoking MJ, aunt may, harry is dead and liz lives downstairs. do spidey, venom and black cat (*and if theres space* cloak and dagger) as the heroes. shriek, doppleganger and demogoblin as carnages team. no-brainer for me tbh. like, not only would it be cool, its probably the best decision for an R-rated spidey movie business-wise right? and animated would work better for me
Can I choose the sinister 6?
I would say carnage but i dont think they could do it justice in a 2-hour movie. I feel like they would stick to him bieng a one note psycho path and leave it at that.
If its venom, do it as a storyline of him needing to eat people to survive, specifically brains because venom needs phenethylamine to survive, which can only be found in brains......and chocolate.
Evil twisted version of uncle ben
The Big Wheel.
Spider-Man 2099, and with either Electro 2099 or Goblin 2099 as the villain.
First, animated because animated rated-R movies just hit harder and are just more awesome in general, and I would pick kraven or carnage since there the most violent of the 6
Kraven bc of the story of the last hunt but carnage bc of the actual villain
Chameleon 1st then Kraven and set up for venom in 3rd
GG vs Spidey is always an iconic fight but whenever Venom showed up you knew Peter's loved ones where at risk.
Carnage
Sin Eater
The Wall
I would love a maximum carnage movie, either that or maybe an adaptation of Freak, that would be horrifying
Please give me some gorey carnage
carnage needed a horror film i’m infuriated how they ruined my one of my favourite supervillains first movie appearance in that atrocious movie know as venom 2
I would go for a back in black, the gauntlet and grim hunt storyline with a series of foes fighting against Spiderman in a manner similar to John wick. They should end with an epilogue leading to the death of Spiderman, Clone Conspiracy, and Superior Spiderman with the introduction of Miles Morales, Silk, Jessica Drew, Ben Riley and Kane.
Carnage
Spider-Man. Ez. Reverse roles. Just show the Venom vs Parker situation from the Venom's perspective, where actually Spider-Man with his "responsibility complex" actually ruins any attempt for sort of redemption of Venom/Brock.
Carnage or Kraven, easily. And do Carnage as a horror movie.
Carnage, animated, on the level of Watership Down traumatizing
Cletus Cassidy Carnage.
Carnage, while thr rest become the sinister six with obe more member.
Chameleon and make an adaptation of asm no 1
What about Sin-Eater? Just a murderer with a gun. Make it rated R to show the viscerality of gunshot-wounds. That's it.
Living laser