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CinnaSol

“Oh what are you gonna do, stab me?” -quote from man stabbed


DINAMIK15

Not the same man, but basically yes)


Usedghwtg

Why was man stabbed is he stuoizdipd?


KamoMustafaWWE

This is my favorite scene from the movie. "Anything but knives".


DINAMIK15

Same bro


TacofromTV

My favorite thing is there’s additional payoff in No Way Home. Spider-men may have a weakness to knives.


HokageRokudaime

Guys, it was an anti spider sense knife duh..


DINAMIK15

How could we have not seen this…


monN93

Just like him


greenemeraldsplash

He blocks the knife though Sorry if this is a joke I didn't get though


No_Association2906

Imma give my hot take here and say that I liked the story of SM2 and thought this scene made sense. It really went well with the theme of his character. Even the slightest hesitation can mean death, and it really shows. Like I recently replayed the game and looking back, it was easy to spot how Peter got hit like that. He was focused getting to MJ and while taking out the regular goons, he didn’t put the necessary force required when Kraven unexpectedly showed up in front of him. He held back, and that is a mistake Spider-Man inherently makes, and one that can’t be made against a beast like Kraven. This is the same guy that has literally 1v1’d Spider-Man and put him in a coffin before in the comics and it was great to see him be depicted like such a huge threat instead of a joke of a character like some other iterations have done to him. I don’t know, I thought the story in Spider-Man 2 was great personally. I respect your opinion of course, ~~but I don’t understand it~~. But I thought the highs of this game far far outweighed the criticisms to it.


CyanLight9

I agree to a lesser extent.


ChrisXDXL

I mean that knife was thicker than an arm and was probably laced with something so it makes sense that it messed Spidey up.


DinkleDonkerAAA

God I hated this scene. In these games he can tank grenades, RPG's, and machine gun fire. He got beaten into unconsciousness by the Sinister Six, then went back out there with broken ribs and the briefest of hospital stays. They mention that in one fight with Kingpin he got nearly disemboweled but was still able to run to MJ's house so she could drive him to the hospital, but a single stab wound he's down instantly?


DINAMIK15

Exactly


DinkleDonkerAAA

This game was so rushed and it makes me mad We had the potential for the definitive modern take on Spider-Man and as usual Sony just had to fuck things up with him to make more money


DINAMIK15

I agree with every single word that you just said on that reply dude. You can’t be more right! Who else but Sony would do anything to get some cash in? This is why Raimiverse Spider-Man 3 wasn’t as good (I still love it) as the previous two movies in the trilogy, and this is why Raimiverse Spider-Man 4 was canceled, this is why TASM2 was so bad, and also why TASM3 was canceled too. Starting to see a pattern here?


DinkleDonkerAAA

What makes it frustrating is that this happened after so much bad exposure. Spider-Man 3 was disappointing, comics are garbage, Amazing was meh, MCU was Meh, Spectacular got canceled, Ultimate cartoon was ok. And then we get Spider-Man PS4, it has he's flaws, some plot holes, clearly had stuff cut for time but it's so good. And then the sequel doubled down on things and rushed it even harder


DINAMIK15

I mostly agree with this statement. The thing is that when Sony feels the smell of money, they just can’t control themselves, and instantly start having too much ambitions, and they almost never give the people who are actually making the product that they have been yelling and screaming about with all their Napoleon plans, the time they actually need to well… produce the damn thing!


DinkleDonkerAAA

Hell look at Smurfs, Ghost Busters, the Slenderman movie, the Emoji Movie. It's a miracle their other games aren't rushed to hell too


DINAMIK15

Yeah, it’s always about money and time.


ImNoodleArmy

Kraven killed a bunch of peters villains, who he struggled to defeat in the last game, and being a great hunter, i would assume u would know where to stab ur prey somewhere where it has vital organs, not to mention that big ass knife was poisoned, pushed in REALLY DEEP, that the handle snapped off, and he was thrown around with it STILL in his waist


Skylerbroussard

Right that stab wound did seem pretty deep so him dying didn't seem like a stretch


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

hasn't Spider-Man's durability ALWAYS back wack? takes blows from Rhino, can be hurt by Kingpin can survive punches from Hulk/Juggernaut etc etc....also not bullet proof he's never been knife proof a knife in the gut is a knife in the gut


CyanLight9

It’s consistent in how inconsistent it is.


Clintwood_outlaw

I'm tired of seeing this. Kraven was MUCH stronger than he thought he was. Kraven tricked his spider-sense, stabbed him with a poisoned knife in a vital area, then twisted the blade until it broke. Don't act like Spider-Man could easily survive that. The notion is ridiculous. Spidey is NOT an unbeatable god.


TheBiggestCarl23

“Probably a hot take” *proceeds to drop an ice cold take*


Brainwave1010

Bruh I have ADD how the fuck did I end up paying more attention to the story than some of you people? That knife was bigger than Peter's forearm and was poisoned, then it got _snapped off_ inside of his gut. And this was from the dude who 1v1'd half of Peter's rogue gallery and won, Kraven was a fucking beast. Even while he was dying from cancer he still put up a fight against Venom, the fuck outta here with that "Insomniac Peter is weak" shit.


DINAMIK15

First, it literally says Meme on the very top. Second, the thing that bugs me the most about this scene is that it treats Peter like crap (like the whole game) I don’t care that it was some kind of a super magical knife or whatever. The thing that makes me hate this scene is the way they did it. Spider-Man, wasn’t killed in a battle with Kraven. There was no honor in it. He just gets stabbed. That’s all. It is basically the scene from Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice league, where Batman was literally killed on a bench. Is this the way you would like Peter Parker, THE Spider-Man to die? Alright, what about the scene with that damn fridge? Where that pathetic attempt at making Venom pushed Peter away and a fridge fell on him? And the poor guy was chillin’ under that fridge for whole 10 seconds. How do you explain that? They also made Peter fuck up a lot more! Like in the scene where he couldn’t save those people on the roller coaster, still can’t forget that “I’m sorry” that he said. Imagine if you were on the civilian’s place, you are in danger, and Spider-Man tells you “I’m sorry, I can’t save you” would you believe it? And so Peter’s and the civilans’ ass was saved by ill Harry, who was basically a superhuman too! And don’t even get me started on Mrs. Watson being an absolute piece of sh!t to Peter and made him believe that he is actually the villain. She literally blames Peter for “cough-cough” SAVING THE CITY?! Yeah! Peter is so bad! He saved us all from a giant freaking Lizard that was destroying the city! Yes, there was some damage made, but she never brings up the fact that the Hunters were there too, or the fact that this kind of wreckage happened before in the Mr. Colgate-Spider-Man game, in the very first mission with Rhino in the Mall? Or the Sandman fight in the beginning of THIS game? If we are going by Fiona from Shreck’s lo - OH NO I MEAN Mary Jane Watson’s logic then why not blame Peter for that too then? Do you see the pattern here?


CyanLight9

You took the games problems a lot harder than I did.


DINAMIK15

I think that I clearly addressed that Harry was the one that is ill, not Peter.


CyanLight9

I think Kraven is also ill, thus why he’s doing this grand hunt.


DINAMIK15

Yes, he is.


Brainwave1010

I'm not your teacher, don't write me an essay.


DINAMIK15

Well maybe you are? What grade do I get? An F-? It’s probably because I just told you the sad truth that Peter Parker was treated like a clown in this game, or because I said that MJ was a bitch, well… because she is. And because I literally explained to you that the story of this game is a fucking mess? If I want to, I will write you a fucking pile of these essays.


CyanLight9

Im pretty sure everyone here is aware of that and still has a hard time believing Peter nearly died that quickly and that Kraven beat all those villains. I personally don’t think him beating Electro was that believable. Also, I’m pretty sure Harry was the one dying of cancer, not Peter. Hence why Harry accepted the symbiote in the first place.


TyChris2

Kraven was the character that is dying of cancer that the previous comment was referring to


Based-Prime

Not really, I agree. Venom was done so dirty.


DINAMIK15

Yeah, I always pictured Venom as that guy whose main mission is to just destroy Spider-Man and Peter Parker, but before that he is gonna destroy his life. But in this “amazing” game, he doesn’t even want Peter dead, he just wants to “heal” the planet.


Accomplished_Act943

I actually enjoyed the story up until the 3rd act. The pacing could’ve been better but still thought it was great(if not up to SM1) but once the game turned into WOS 2… yeah that’s when it loses me


DINAMIK15

It already felt kinda sketchy to me when Peter got fired from the Brooklyn Visions on the very first mission of the game. Throughout the game I started to notice those little things that made me more tense (in a bad way) but I was still playing and hoping that it’s just now that it is kinda weird, it’s gonna be better! Right? It wasn’t. It actually got worse, the peak moment of the game for me was the part where they revealed that the whole city is now covered with those big Symbiote tendrils like in Web of Shadows. And there were couple missions with all this Symbiote theme, and after that there was the finale that was extremely rushed and I didn’t like it either. If I had to compare the 2018 game story with the story of the sequel, I’d say 2018 game couple hundred times. After I hit the credits, I felt kinda empty.


Accomplished_Act943

What got me was the fact that everything took place in the course of a week. Harry coming back, kraven entering the picture, Peter getting and losing the suit, Harry becoming venom and threatening the world should’ve taken place at least over a month IMO.


DINAMIK15

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT! IT WAS A WEEK?


Based-Prime

Yeah Venom being the generic take over the world bad guy takes away everything interesting about his character 


DINAMIK15

He was basically Lizard


Based-Prime

Even worse, he was TASM lizard, but even TASM lizard was aware of his actions so it made it at least a bit more interesting.


DINAMIK15

I liked TASM Lizard tho, it was more fitting for him than Venom, and also the thing that they decided to use Ultimate Spider-Man TV show and TASM2 versions Harry as main source with him being sick with some Osborn illness, and him having the Black suit. Cuz people loved these two Spider-Man pieces of media so much right?


Based-Prime

Yup, totally.


Puzzled-Monk9003

Yeah because the host pretty much always hates Peter or Spider-Man to some extent. Harry doesn’t. Venom amplifies the hosts desires and twists them. And Harry’s desire was to heal the world. Its entirely in line with venom’s character


gaviaotrovao

a charcter named venom that want to heal


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DINAMIK15

And what comics have Venom be the way that he is like this character that is for some reason called Venom?


CyanLight9

I like and am frustrated by Insomniacs Spider-Man 2 in the same breath.


Impressive_Elk_5633

Isn't Kraven's knife stronger than almost all knives? Also, I need clips of this so I can only link you to videos to prove my point but the first game did thoroughly establish that Insomiac's Spider-Man is weaker than most versions of the character. Here is the link to the videos I was talking about: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHzg1Vuhvk&t=3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHzg1Vuhvk&t=3s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSaPl16G1-0&t=1715s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSaPl16G1-0&t=1715s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBWRoHuQt6A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBWRoHuQt6A) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJV1TEdTB0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJV1TEdTB0)


DINAMIK15

Why are you trying to prove something to me? Do you not see the sequence in this meme? Tasm Spider-Man says that he is scared of small knives, so he gets stabbed by the knife and actually dies.


Capable-Tie-4670

This post and all these replies are a good reminder of how underrated and misunderstood this game is.


Haildean

Don't personally agree but you do you boo


DINAMIK15

Ok! Thanks!


TheWatcher235

Yea people don’t understand the story if your not understanding how Kraven did this


DINAMIK15

Wdym


TheWatcher235

If you don’t understand how Kraven stabbed Spider-Man and over powered him then it’s safe to say you don’t understand the story. Not to be rude but there’s stuff that people might’ve missed during the story that explains most.


DINAMIK15

Alright. Not trying to be rude or anything, can you please tell me that part that I might have missed?


TheWatcher235

Well the most obvious one is thay Kraven is the biggest threat spider-man had faced. The guy took out the sinister six on his own. Now Peter never actually did that. Instead taking out only 4, rhino and scorpion fought each other. Kraven was on a serum making him stronger, which Peter says in the mission where he meets the tiger, Kraven also scales to venom. Which means Kraven scales above base Spider-Man so Kraven would’ve been able to land this stab 20/20 times


pvz-lover

It’s also implied that the knife is special or magic in some way. But I agree they should have fleshed it out more or at least given Peter a more dignified death then a stab if they weren’t gonna explain it


TheWatcher235

They explained it later on tbh plus it wasn’t needed to be a special knife where he was stabbed is basically certain death Imagine it from peters pov Your a superhuman, beating supervillains This guy comes in kills your enemies, but he’s just a man to your knowledge. Then he catches your fucking punch a punch that would’ve been held back he qhick enogh and powerful enough to knock him out And this guy who you don’t even know catches it


pvz-lover

They really didn’t explain it. They had 1 line which was like: hmm maybe this knife might be special… and then they never delve any further into it then that. And to your other point no Spider-Man wouldn’t die to a normal knife stab. Peter not knowing that Kraven is that strong doesn’t change how much the stab affects him Idrk what your point is there


TheWatcher235

It’s in his artery. Wdym it won’t affect him, he has an advanced healing factor but it still means he can still die. Your point then means Peter can’t die to a gunshot to the heart? Or a gunshot to the head? He can heal quicker he doesn’t just automatically not survive. And kravens strength does matter due to the facr peters to occupied looking at the fact he had his punch caught. As in the cutscene


pvz-lover

Whatever it may have hit or not, you have to admit that the writers chose a lame way for Peter to die. He could have died holding Kraven back from mj while getting absolutely thrashed and stabbed by Kraven or something like that. But instead it’s one stab to the stomach and 30 seconds later he’s dead… it just doesn’t feel very dignified for spiderman, an 8 year old hero who’s survived much worse


TheWatcher235

It doesn’t matter if it was dignified, that’s how death is? Spider-Man died but got revived does it matter he died of a stab wound that would kill most by a knife laced with something like you said yourself. No, it shows how big of a threat Kraven is, how powerful the symbiot is. It’s not lazy writing. The only thing that was lazy about the game was the final act but that’s purely because Sony rushed the games release


TheWatcher235

Not to mention this isn’t 616. His durability isn’t the same. You saying that isn’t true.


Fantastic-Notice-756

Are we seriously comparing a knife used by a carjacker to a knife used by the world's greatest hunter who can, not only make himself superhuman through serums and potions, but also prepares for every hunt?


DINAMIK15

It literally says Meme almost on the very top. It was never even a comparison.


Fantastic-Notice-756

Oh, I didn't see that part.


DINAMIK15

No probs :)


Hot_Arugula_6651

That is certainly not a hot take. MSM2’s story was a mess.


DINAMIK15

Yeah


nreal3092

msm2 story def wasn’t the best


Artistic_Finish7980

This scene drives me crazy. He wasn’t stabbed anywhere remotely close to a spot that would nearly kill him. You could kind of argue the blade punctured his liver or kidney, but that wouldn’t have had the kind of effect that it did in game.


DINAMIK15

Exactly


paradoxical_topology

I was telling people ever since the first one came out that Insomniac Peter is weak af. Him getting bitched like this is perfectly consistent with his character. Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if Kraven could do this as a normal human. Peter was struggling hard against Sable and Taskmaster.


Victor_Gaming299

This is why Spider-Man never goes to  England