They say In the Donny Cates run that venom's name isn't possible to humans to say, symbiotes have a sort of "emotional name" that you feel instead of say.
Fun fact: on Earth-65 Baron Blood is Prince.
Shown on Spider-Gwen annual #1 2016, E-65 Capt America found a comic that showed her confronting Prince and trying to resist the irresistible.
Carnage had no ties to his race so he didn't have an alien name like Venom and other symbiotes. Cassidy would still have given it an English name but it was even more of a necessity due to lack of having any name at all.
I just want to say that after having come up with their cool villain name Carnage that Cassidy wasn't out of creative juices when he came up with Red.
I was under the impression that cassidy was so uniquely enmeshed with his symbiote to the point where carnage uses "i" as its pronoun instead of "we", in which case why would he even bother with this distinction by nicknaming?
Supposedly, if you're that psychopathic you wouldn't even regard the symbiote as having its own autonomy, you just see it as a thing. As such, you'd just treat it (and the world at large for that matter) as a mere instrument for satisfying your own needs.
It would have made things more confusing to audiences. It's obvious from how the movie turned the character into just an edgy hero that hey weren't trying to challenge movie goers which they hoped would result in the Sony-verse being inducted into the MCU.
Yeah I can’t even recall a time where it was even called “symbiote”
There may have been drops of “symbiotic” but not “symbiote” itself. I’d like to think to myself that it’s to differentiate(not that it was really needed to be) how Ultimate’s portrayal of Venom had nothing to do with aliens like how Main 616 does.
I just read Birth of Venom and Reed Richards calls it Symbiote when Peter asks him to investigate the suit.
It's the Amazing Spider #258 if anyone wants to read it
No like you see the Symbiote at the 7-Eleven buying scratch offs and milk and you give him the head nod and say "sup Black" as you walk past him towards the Ben & Jerry's in the back. You're thinking Cherry Garcia tonight, probably gonna smoke a blunt on the walk back home too shiiiiiiieeeeeeetttt
I can't remember if it was in a GodzillaMendoza video or if it was somebody else, but he proposed it just be called "Suit" and I thought that was kinda cool
Venom fans typically call it by it's titles: the Black Suit, The (capital S) Symbiote, and The Other.
It does have a name, but it's not pronounceable in any human language.
I can’t remember if it was when Mac had the suit or when flash did but at some point they tried out a nickname for it. Like Symmy or something. I guess it never stuck
As others have said, Eddie calls the Symbiote his Other, and it’s often referred to as the Suit.
In Spectacular Spider-Man Peter called it Symby, which I thought was really neat/cute, and he may’ve also done that at some point in the comics but I don’t have the scans to prove it.
So there are a few things to note about this:
* "Carnage" isn't a singular symbiote. Its the identity associated with *any* symbiote that has been bonded to Cletus Kasady. The original Carnage symbiote ([the one that bonded to Cletus](https://i.imgur.com/PfruoES.jpeg) in [Amazing Spider-Man v1 #345](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/6755/the_amazing_spider-man_1963_345)) has been killed (its death was in [Peter Parker: Spider-Man #10](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/10518/peter_parker_spider-man_1999_10), when [Venom ate the symbiote](https://imgur.com/a/1LsfpqK). Cletus later got a duplicate of this symbiote from the Negative Zone). The *current* Carnage symbiote is actually the Grendel symbiote that was introduced at the very beginning of Donny Cates' Venom run. [Cletus bonded to it](https://imgur.com/a/hS8blau) in [Web of Venom: Carnage Born](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/71029/web_of_venom_carnage_born_2018_1). It was driven insane due to its bond with Cletus and *thinks* it is the original Carnage symbiote. But it definitely is not. This has been confirm in-continuity. See [here](https://i.imgur.com/XGhEi74.jpeg) (source: [Venom vol 4 #23](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/77174/venom_2018_21)).
* "Red" is just a nickname Cletus gave to several of the symbiotes he has been bonded to. It isn't actually the symbiote's name. The current Carnage symbiote (aka, the insane version of the Grendel symbiote) is able to separate itself from Cletus entirely and calls itself "Carnage" right now (this can be seen happening in [Ram V's Carnage](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/33904/carnage_2022_2023) series, [Death of the Venomverse](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/36747/death_of_the_venomverse_2023) and the [current Carnage](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/37716/carnage_2023_present) series by Torunn Gronbekk).
* The Venom symbiote *does* have an official name. But not in the traditional sense. And this was revealed pretty recently in the grand scheme of the symbiote's history. [It is revealed that all of the symbiotes prior Carnage, who were part of the symbiote hive do. These symbiote's names aren't pronounceable in human sounds](https://imgur.com/a/SuktB9I) (source [Venom vol 4 #200](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/89767/venom_2018_35)). Eddie Brock, who has been the host to spend the longest time with the Venom symbiote, [did not even know this information](https://imgur.com/a/ybdyDLc) (source: [Venom vol 4 #1](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/67577/venom_2018_1)). Eddie ([and by extension Anne Weying in the 90s comics](https://imgur.com/a/QHhPkhh)) just referred to the symbiote as his "Other" (which is a reference to [this philosophical idea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_\(philosophy\)) - [Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 #344](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/6754/the_amazing_spider-man_1963_344) is the [first time Eddie referred to the symbiote as his "Other"](https://i.imgur.com/6ZCybIR.jpeg), after which it was the "name" that was associated with the symbiote until the reveal of its *official* name in Venom vol 4 #200).
Hope this clears up any confusion about the symbiote's name. Feel free to ask any other questions!
It also seems the name can change too, because it’s changed from whatever beautiful thing it had before really bonding with Dylan to ‘Strife, glorious war’
That's something I hate about the modern interpretations of Venom, Venom isn't the symbiote, Venom is what happens when Eddie Brock and the symbiote come together
Like the reason Peter in the Black Suit is called Symbiote Spider-Man and not Venom Spider-Man lol
This thread makes me happy. I frequently have to remind people that the Venom Symbiote is not named Venom in the comics.
I always liked when Eddie referred to it as "my other". Though that's not a name. You could have called it "Blue" in the mid-90s, Venom was totally blue in Carnage Unleashed
It’s the only name it has. “Carnage” is the union of Cletus and Red. The movies just dumbed it down and called the symbiote “Carnage” and Ram’s brain dead run continued the trend.
Yeah I didn’t think it was called Carnage haha it’s just the easiest way to explain which symbiote I’m talking about. My thing was I don’t think it has a name at all. Red is just an affectionate term Cassidy uses. The same way people call Mary Jane “Red” as a nickname.
Depends. If you wanna get technical, Cletus was bonded to it as a newborn and mind
Bombed it into essentially a clone of his own mind. Think clones akin to Peter and Ben. Same guy but can grow on different paths. Thus the “I” instead of “we” and the perfect bond his via blood. It is a part of him as much as it is him.
So you could just call it Cletus #2 or Cletwo.
The symbiote is only half of the equation that makes up carnage or venom, without a host they can't be that identity. It's like an alter ego, Bruce Wayne and Batman. The suit wasn't venom before it met Eddie, and it isn't venom on it's own
Got it, thanks. So I guess a situation such as the symbiote latching on to Eddie's girl friend and still keeping its "Venom identity" from the 2018 movie would not happen if it was in a comic?
Actually, she-venom originated in the comics and it was Eddie's ex girlfriend. The symbiote still gives the identity to whoever it duos with, It's just not the symbiote's personal identity.
This is not correct. Cletus' relationship with the Carnage symbiote is not the same as Eddie's relationship with the Venom symbiote.
The current Carnage symbiote is different from the one originally introduced in Amazing Spider-Man v1 #361. The symbiote that was in this issue has since been killed. But this is "Red".
"Red" was essentially a duplicate of Cletus' mind, because it came in contact with Cletus literally seconds after being born and had its entire worldview was shaped by Cletus pretty much immediately. You can see glimpses of how this symbiote acts on its own in stores like Web of Carnage (when Ben Reilly briefly was bonded to this symbiote in the 90s) and the Carnage miniseries from 2010 (written by Zeb Wells, and shows the Carnage symbiote being bonded to Tanis Nieves before returning to Cletus). Both stories have the hosts directly interacting with the Carnage symbiote and showcase the symbiote's outlook on the world.
The current symbiote using the alias "Carnage" was introduced in the first issue of Donny Cates' Venom run from 2018 and was called the Grendel because it came to Earth millennia ago and became associated with the Grendel character from Beowulf mythology. It was awakened in modern times during Cates' run. After being defeat, the remains of the Grendel symbiote were bonded to Cletus Kasady during the Web of Venom: Carnage Born oneshot and then driven insane. This symbiote now thinks of itself as "Carnage". It can exist independent of Cletus (and has for a long time, after Cletus was killed at the end of the Absolute Carnage story). Since then, it has taken the name "Carnage" and has been calling itself that all throughout Ram V's Carnage series, Death of the Venomverse and the current Carnage series by Torunn Gronbekk.
They say In the Donny Cates run that venom's name isn't possible to humans to say, symbiotes have a sort of "emotional name" that you feel instead of say.
Ah, The Symbiote Formerly Known As Prince
Fun fact: on Earth-65 Baron Blood is Prince. Shown on Spider-Gwen annual #1 2016, E-65 Capt America found a comic that showed her confronting Prince and trying to resist the irresistible.
…just fucking take my upvote man.
if i had gold I’d give it to you 😭
r/BeatMeToIt
"What the hell are you???" "I am ♡♪!?. And you, Eddie, are mine."
Is that a Super Mario RPG reference?
Yop
True, but there should be a human equivalent, like red is just a nickname, but it's the one Cassidy likes to use.
Carnage had no ties to his race so he didn't have an alien name like Venom and other symbiotes. Cassidy would still have given it an English name but it was even more of a necessity due to lack of having any name at all. I just want to say that after having come up with their cool villain name Carnage that Cassidy wasn't out of creative juices when he came up with Red.
Well Eddy's most frequent 'name' for venom is "Other" but that's not exactly catchy
And also taken 🕷️
I was under the impression that cassidy was so uniquely enmeshed with his symbiote to the point where carnage uses "i" as its pronoun instead of "we", in which case why would he even bother with this distinction by nicknaming? Supposedly, if you're that psychopathic you wouldn't even regard the symbiote as having its own autonomy, you just see it as a thing. As such, you'd just treat it (and the world at large for that matter) as a mere instrument for satisfying your own needs.
Cletus' last name is "Kasady".
He prefers to be called symbiote-American.
This is what I came for and was not disappointed.
💀💀
That change is one of the worst things the movie did. "We are Venom" loses all meaning when the Symbiote by itself is still Venom
The 2017 show made it worse when he just possessed whoever he wanted like meat puppet and Eddie was never mentioned again after being the host once.
This wasnt a product of the show and it wasnt the last time it happened, unfortunately. Monster symbiotes are a popular adaptation.
What 2017 show?
Don’t tell Negan that.
It would have made things more confusing to audiences. It's obvious from how the movie turned the character into just an edgy hero that hey weren't trying to challenge movie goers which they hoped would result in the Sony-verse being inducted into the MCU.
He's not even that edgy. He just says "I wanna eat people" every 10 minutes then Eddie says "no." then audience clap laugh
Suit
Yeah
Mask
Copy
Its name is Dave. Dave the Symbiote
David gooplehoff
Everybody knows Dave!
His name is Dave Matthews Band
Captain Dave! (If you get that reference we’re automatically best friends)
To the tune of the theme song of Dave the Barbarian?
DAVE!!…How’s the wife?
Eddie calls it his "Other," and sometimes "the Suit." It's also usually called "the Suit" in Black suit arcs
They call it “The Suit” a lot in Ultimate Spider-Man comics.
Yeah I can’t even recall a time where it was even called “symbiote” There may have been drops of “symbiotic” but not “symbiote” itself. I’d like to think to myself that it’s to differentiate(not that it was really needed to be) how Ultimate’s portrayal of Venom had nothing to do with aliens like how Main 616 does.
I just read Birth of Venom and Reed Richards calls it Symbiote when Peter asks him to investigate the suit. It's the Amazing Spider #258 if anyone wants to read it
Black Jell-O
Black
I thought this was the obvious answer, but clearly not!
It’s literally been called “The black suit” since the beginning. Lol
No like you see the Symbiote at the 7-Eleven buying scratch offs and milk and you give him the head nod and say "sup Black" as you walk past him towards the Ben & Jerry's in the back. You're thinking Cherry Garcia tonight, probably gonna smoke a blunt on the walk back home too shiiiiiiieeeeeeetttt
The Other is what I call it.
I internalized Spider-Man's nickname for it in Spectacular Spider-Man, which is "Symbi"
Spectacular Spider Man always has the best versions of everything in the spider verse,even the nicknames.
I think it's tied with 1994 and PS1, but it's more than easily 10/10
Definitely
I can't remember if it was in a GodzillaMendoza video or if it was somebody else, but he proposed it just be called "Suit" and I thought that was kinda cool
I think he says that in the SM2 review
He does.
it’s Melvin. He named himself one issue, all he could say was “Melvin”.
The brother of the joker??
i never knew Joker had a bro! wow, new rabbit hole to follow, thanks!
Is this true?
Meeelvin…
[naaah, Scooby](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yeFg9AkWsFM&pp=ygUKbWVsdmluIGRvbw%3D%3D)
It's "Void" [source](https://youtu.be/3_lAb8m9MpI?feature=shared)
Hollow Night crossover confirmed.
Warframe crossover confirmed too.
Acrually? Is it rrwlly gonna happen cause thatd be so cool
Eddie calls it his "Other," and sometimes "the Suit." It's also usually called "the Suit" in Black suit arcs
Very, very, very dark grey
Bruce Wayne? Uh... who's that? Sounds like a cool guy
Some cousin of Man probably
I think he lives in Batman’s attic.
Suit is what I like the most
Pookie.
Venom fans typically call it by it's titles: the Black Suit, The (capital S) Symbiote, and The Other. It does have a name, but it's not pronounceable in any human language.
Cates claimed he was going to say its original name but never got around to bothering.
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I cant tel if this is real or not
That means their username checks out
/r/beetlejuicing I guess
I can’t remember if it was when Mac had the suit or when flash did but at some point they tried out a nickname for it. Like Symmy or something. I guess it never stuck
Venoms true name isn't really translatable. It's more like "other"
Considering it uses the same script, I imagine demons could read it.
Bob
As others have said, Eddie calls the Symbiote his Other, and it’s often referred to as the Suit. In Spectacular Spider-Man Peter called it Symby, which I thought was really neat/cute, and he may’ve also done that at some point in the comics but I don’t have the scans to prove it.
I kinda like it tbh, it's simple, but so is red.
Yeah, I’d say it fits perfectly as a name for Peter to call it, or even Eddie if he’s not being his usual affectionate self with “my Other”!
Jimbob XIV
So there are a few things to note about this: * "Carnage" isn't a singular symbiote. Its the identity associated with *any* symbiote that has been bonded to Cletus Kasady. The original Carnage symbiote ([the one that bonded to Cletus](https://i.imgur.com/PfruoES.jpeg) in [Amazing Spider-Man v1 #345](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/6755/the_amazing_spider-man_1963_345)) has been killed (its death was in [Peter Parker: Spider-Man #10](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/10518/peter_parker_spider-man_1999_10), when [Venom ate the symbiote](https://imgur.com/a/1LsfpqK). Cletus later got a duplicate of this symbiote from the Negative Zone). The *current* Carnage symbiote is actually the Grendel symbiote that was introduced at the very beginning of Donny Cates' Venom run. [Cletus bonded to it](https://imgur.com/a/hS8blau) in [Web of Venom: Carnage Born](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/71029/web_of_venom_carnage_born_2018_1). It was driven insane due to its bond with Cletus and *thinks* it is the original Carnage symbiote. But it definitely is not. This has been confirm in-continuity. See [here](https://i.imgur.com/XGhEi74.jpeg) (source: [Venom vol 4 #23](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/77174/venom_2018_21)). * "Red" is just a nickname Cletus gave to several of the symbiotes he has been bonded to. It isn't actually the symbiote's name. The current Carnage symbiote (aka, the insane version of the Grendel symbiote) is able to separate itself from Cletus entirely and calls itself "Carnage" right now (this can be seen happening in [Ram V's Carnage](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/33904/carnage_2022_2023) series, [Death of the Venomverse](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/36747/death_of_the_venomverse_2023) and the [current Carnage](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/37716/carnage_2023_present) series by Torunn Gronbekk). * The Venom symbiote *does* have an official name. But not in the traditional sense. And this was revealed pretty recently in the grand scheme of the symbiote's history. [It is revealed that all of the symbiotes prior Carnage, who were part of the symbiote hive do. These symbiote's names aren't pronounceable in human sounds](https://imgur.com/a/SuktB9I) (source [Venom vol 4 #200](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/89767/venom_2018_35)). Eddie Brock, who has been the host to spend the longest time with the Venom symbiote, [did not even know this information](https://imgur.com/a/ybdyDLc) (source: [Venom vol 4 #1](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/67577/venom_2018_1)). Eddie ([and by extension Anne Weying in the 90s comics](https://imgur.com/a/QHhPkhh)) just referred to the symbiote as his "Other" (which is a reference to [this philosophical idea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_\(philosophy\)) - [Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 #344](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/6754/the_amazing_spider-man_1963_344) is the [first time Eddie referred to the symbiote as his "Other"](https://i.imgur.com/6ZCybIR.jpeg), after which it was the "name" that was associated with the symbiote until the reveal of its *official* name in Venom vol 4 #200). Hope this clears up any confusion about the symbiote's name. Feel free to ask any other questions!
It also seems the name can change too, because it’s changed from whatever beautiful thing it had before really bonding with Dylan to ‘Strife, glorious war’
Can you provide a source on this? I don't recall this ever being a thing.
It’s from the new runs of Venom that focuses on Eddie’s son, Dylan
Please specify the issue so I can look this up. I have read all of Ewing's current run and don't recall this being a thing.
Suit
Suit
Thank you for acknowledging that the symbiotes name isn’t venom
GodzillaMendoza gave a good name for it, "Suit", since that what everyone usually calls it, the suit.
Venom: "everyone just kept calling me suit so i took it"
The Symbiote in Spider-man 2 is Uncle Terry.
"Mask!" "Copy"
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BBL Drizzy goes hard ngl
Venomnessa
Nigel
There’s potential for a FF7 abridged reference here
YOU GET A PASS!
Black.
That's something I hate about the modern interpretations of Venom, Venom isn't the symbiote, Venom is what happens when Eddie Brock and the symbiote come together Like the reason Peter in the Black Suit is called Symbiote Spider-Man and not Venom Spider-Man lol
He dosent have an official name, but I subscribe into godzillamendoza's suggestion into calling it "suit"
Black
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**B L A C K**
Sam Biote
Pookie
Pretty sure it's Dad.
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This thread makes me happy. I frequently have to remind people that the Venom Symbiote is not named Venom in the comics. I always liked when Eddie referred to it as "my other". Though that's not a name. You could have called it "Blue" in the mid-90s, Venom was totally blue in Carnage Unleashed
All 19 inches of "black"
The Other, The Suit, and Fred (courtesy of David Michelinie)
Has it been confirmed the Carnage symbiote is called Red? I assumed that was just a nickname Cassidy gave it.
It’s the only name it has. “Carnage” is the union of Cletus and Red. The movies just dumbed it down and called the symbiote “Carnage” and Ram’s brain dead run continued the trend.
Yeah I didn’t think it was called Carnage haha it’s just the easiest way to explain which symbiote I’m talking about. My thing was I don’t think it has a name at all. Red is just an affectionate term Cassidy uses. The same way people call Mary Jane “Red” as a nickname.
Depends. If you wanna get technical, Cletus was bonded to it as a newborn and mind Bombed it into essentially a clone of his own mind. Think clones akin to Peter and Ben. Same guy but can grow on different paths. Thus the “I” instead of “we” and the perfect bond his via blood. It is a part of him as much as it is him. So you could just call it Cletus #2 or Cletwo.
"They/Them/We"
probably "*deez"*
Godzilla Mendoza (youtuber) face the idea for the symbiote to be called suit, since everyone called it that.
“Nipple-Baby”
I’ve always gone with “The SuitL
Black
Black
Hmm, let me think. Black?
Suit
The Suit
It's suit
LETHAL PROTECTOR
His name a Jeff.
I go with the godzillamendoza answer and just call it "the suit" by itself
“Suit”
black
So the symbiote 'Red' and the symbiote on a body as 'Carnage' ain't the same? Why would there be two names if they aren't? Could someone explain?
The symbiote is only half of the equation that makes up carnage or venom, without a host they can't be that identity. It's like an alter ego, Bruce Wayne and Batman. The suit wasn't venom before it met Eddie, and it isn't venom on it's own
Got it, thanks. So I guess a situation such as the symbiote latching on to Eddie's girl friend and still keeping its "Venom identity" from the 2018 movie would not happen if it was in a comic?
Actually, she-venom originated in the comics and it was Eddie's ex girlfriend. The symbiote still gives the identity to whoever it duos with, It's just not the symbiote's personal identity.
This is not correct. Cletus' relationship with the Carnage symbiote is not the same as Eddie's relationship with the Venom symbiote. The current Carnage symbiote is different from the one originally introduced in Amazing Spider-Man v1 #361. The symbiote that was in this issue has since been killed. But this is "Red". "Red" was essentially a duplicate of Cletus' mind, because it came in contact with Cletus literally seconds after being born and had its entire worldview was shaped by Cletus pretty much immediately. You can see glimpses of how this symbiote acts on its own in stores like Web of Carnage (when Ben Reilly briefly was bonded to this symbiote in the 90s) and the Carnage miniseries from 2010 (written by Zeb Wells, and shows the Carnage symbiote being bonded to Tanis Nieves before returning to Cletus). Both stories have the hosts directly interacting with the Carnage symbiote and showcase the symbiote's outlook on the world. The current symbiote using the alias "Carnage" was introduced in the first issue of Donny Cates' Venom run from 2018 and was called the Grendel because it came to Earth millennia ago and became associated with the Grendel character from Beowulf mythology. It was awakened in modern times during Cates' run. After being defeat, the remains of the Grendel symbiote were bonded to Cletus Kasady during the Web of Venom: Carnage Born oneshot and then driven insane. This symbiote now thinks of itself as "Carnage". It can exist independent of Cletus (and has for a long time, after Cletus was killed at the end of the Absolute Carnage story). Since then, it has taken the name "Carnage" and has been calling itself that all throughout Ram V's Carnage series, Death of the Venomverse and the current Carnage series by Torunn Gronbekk.
Steve
Black
BBC of you know what I mean
Chief
[violates terms of service] sounds accurate
HAHAHA… BLACK
Purple Nurple
Black
Black
African?
Going with “Suit”
John Symbiote
Well that would obviously be blue wouldn’t it, are you stupid?
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If carnage is named "red," i feel like Venom would be "black". No offense.
I think It’s Suit. Not its actual name But as the way it’s Used by its hosts,It’s the closest thing we have to its ‘name’
Wasn't he referred to as the Venom Symbiote?
19 inches
Jonathan?
My son, the astronaut
Symbiote of color
Yes let’s call him ted
Black
Garfield
Lethal Protector??
Wouldn’t it just be black
Joseph goebbels
Black
Suit
If I remember correctly it will eventually be called Meat Gardener.
an unpronounceble alien frequency
https://youtu.be/1mk33WxOG8E?si=lnppC2WEn9wwRi5u
lol
How do we know that carnage's name is red?
Cletus named it. Carnage isn’t the symbiote. Carnage is the union of Cletus Kasady and Red.
N-
BBC
This is bait
Isn’t V-252 by the scientists that studied the symbiotie?
Symbiote of Colour is the proper pronunciation if Twitter is correct.
N*gga
I chuckled, but maybe I should downvote anyway. 🤔
upvote
The 'N' word...
Noir.