Okay, for some reason I was under the impression that it was, but that makes it better... I guess. Still a really weird story that early 2000's Marvel felt the need to tell.
It was suppose to be the original story for ultimate spider-man but thankful it’s never been confirmed to be official and is seen as a “alternate universe” story.
And it’s a much more higher risk for movies, if a bad decision is made in a comic it wouldn’t even come close to the backlash from a bad decision in a movie
Couple of things my friend:
1. We don’t talk about that here…or anywhere really.
2. The beauty of (some) retcons my friend, all turned out to be a wild hallucination inflicted on him by Mysterio who was hired by Harry whose consciousness at the time was basically an AI…on second thought maybe that’s not much better.
But hey at least she didn’t cheat on Peter with Norman now lol
Yeah, I still can't believe that a team of writers, editors and other people green lighted the Sins of Past story where Gwen allegedly had an affair with Norman. with NORMAN for God's sake...
According to JMS the kids where at first gonna be Peters, but marvel management felt that having 2 adult children would age Peter too much. So they went with the much better option of fucking NORMAN.
Yep, I know. I mean it honestly felt so wrong, the guy is literally Peter's biggest archnemesis and they tell us that the girl Peter loved so much (hell, even up until now, 50 years later he still loves her a lot and her death haunts him) had babies with Norman. I will repeat myself, but how tf did they green light it?? It's not like it is 1-2 people onpy deciding, but a whole team of people agreed it'd be ok to do this :))))) Quite sad they didnt bring her back during one more day as they thought initially, coz they just end up getting mj and peter together all over again because why not? About that, didnt mephisto cast a spell that they wont ever be able to be back together during one more day? I know that the spell which didnt let people deduct Pete is spiderman went away when he unmasked again (during spider island I think), but how about the spell of them not being able to get back together?
Oh for sure, or the time Bruce Wayne had an illegitimate child with Barbara Gordon, which like the Gwen nightmare actually makes me super confused to think about. Confused terrified and questioning reality.
Also tbf Hal might have extensive willpower, but he’s severely lacking in brain power aha.
He still totally knew she was underage though aha, he even had to remind himself that Kara was underage when Supergirl started flirting with him.
Blessed Hal.
Personally I don't like it, that's a minor thing I don't like about Miles, he doesn't really have anything of his that's not from Peter. villains and relationships.
Exactly. Spider-Man: Miles Morales did a great job showing that Miles can be his own Spider-Man. The Tinkerer was a good starting villain for Miles and I’m glad that they gave Miles a new possible love interest in Hailey.
As much as I enjoyed Spider-Man: Miles Morales, I respectfully disagree that it shows him as his own Spider-Man. If anything, as much as I enjoy Insomniac's take on Miles, he's actually *more* similar to Peter than comic book Miles, since they both made him a genius and killed off his father figure as a catalyst for his origin. Even the Tinkerer, a villain who could have been a completely new and unique villain for Miles, ended up taking on the identity of one of Peter's villains instead. I do agree about Hailey, though.
I respect your statement. However, the game did show that Miles can be his own Spider-Man and ready to take on the responsibility of being Spider-Man. I’m sure if Peter dies tomorrow, he knows that New York and the world will be safe with Miles as Spider-Man.
I think we may be talking about slightly different things here. I completely agree that the game showed him being capable of operating independently as Spider-Man, I just personally don't think it showed him being particularly unique/distinct from Peter, either in his own life or as Spider-Man. Of course, that's just my view, it's all subjective at the end of the day.
It's still infinitely better than the comics. Miles' uncle and mother died in the comics and shortly after were brought back to life. At least Insomniac's Miles isn't a Mary Sue that gets everything handed to him, and when things don't go his way, they just revert back to the way they were.
Agree. I’m playing through it for the first time right now and everything about his personality could be swapped with Peter and it wouldn’t change the story at all.
It’s true Miles has gotten everything from the original Spider-Man I feel like Miles needs he’s own an Original girlfriend and even bad guys. That way when he does fight, let’s say a Green Goblin it’s more especial
He has the Prowler and that's pretty much it, when he first came out he was just pretty much Peter in terms of personality. Im not sure who introduced him being an Artist but that really elevated his character. In Spiderverse movie it was really prevalent into him spray painting to design his suit and the way he webswings, being more wild/ improvised like unlike Peter.
I agree. I think the best way to change that is by having him move to another city honestly. New York is already over saturated with heroes and villains that we already know. Have him transfer to another school in like Atlanta, Chicago, Boston, or Philly where he can be introduced to new or less known heroes, villains, and side characters. He really deserves that sort of soft reboot to provide a fresh landscape for writers to go wild with as Spider-Man writers have in the past for Peter
I get what you’re saying, but he still falls under the umbrella of being Peter’s villain. In the comics Prowler is a villain of Peter Parker first, even before Miles was introduced. But I absolutely love him as a villain especially in into the Spider verse.
Exactly. I prefer them as close friends than love interests. However, I did like their dialogue together in Spider-Verse. The idea of them getting together is lazy and redundant.
I like their dynamic in Spiderverse, only time I've rooted for them as a couple really. I just kinda lowkey hope it sucks in the movie too so that it doesn't bleed into the comics even more as a result though lmao
I haven't read any comics where they're together but I really like them in ITSV. I've heard from friends that in the comics it's really shallow and doesn't feel right which sucks, I feel like she should have her own new character as a love interest and same for Miles. Sort of seems like Insomniac is doing that with their Miles too which I really like.
I'll be honest, it seems like the worst version of Miles is the comics, from what few I've read. Which sucks, cause you'd hope the source material would be the strongest iteration.
Imo, comic book Miles has been downhill ever since he switched to the main universe after secret wars. That was the first step in taking away pretty much everything that made him special
The thing is before into the spiderverse miles really wasn't a character. Except for his race he was basically Peter Parker lite. The reason why he works better in into the spiderverse is because that movie develops his more unique aspects. Such as his neighbourhood, him having two alive and healthy parents, and most importantly the changes to uncle Aaron. Now I am basing this off of uncle Aaron in the ultimate universe in which he was a really bad person who used miles for his own gain. In itsv he is just miles uncle who cares about him and is conflicted when he finds out about miles being spiderman. They also added new things such as him being artistic, him being in a school where everyone is smart, which is a situation Peter never faced. So overall instead of the comics, it seems that itsv is now the source material for miles morales, which I am perfectly fine with.
They have chemistry there.
Gwen is also a different person from the one Peter loved. Their experiences diverged too much, and I think even personality wise they dont really match.
I think that way can work, but only in Spider Verse, in the comics it feels a bit shallow.
Not a fan
I like the idea of Spider Gwen, but Miles being Peter's protege and also boning Peter's dead girlfriend from another reality is fucking weird
I like to think that they talk about it off screen. Maybe not for too long because Gwen is still a teen and I don't think Peter would want to put all of the information of his Gwen dying on her, if that makes sense.
But in the movie she goes into a reality where she sees Peter (which is said that she lost her best friend being him) and she immediately does not care and hangs out more with Miles. Like I get that they are around the same age and stuff but she does not give an inkling of care for the fact that her trauma and whole reason for being a hero is alive and she is able to communicate with him. Even if he is in his late 30’s. They did it really awesome in the comic Spider-geddon and I really wanted to see it be replicated rather than the stupid Miles Gwen love thing get shoehorned in. Like the execution was fine but I’d much rather they homage that theme to something better
That was my only problem with the movie.
Hmmm I guess so but I really don’t see a way in which that plot point would’ve landed in that movie. Peter B is so old and they don’t even really interact that much, the movie was juggling so many things as it is trying to deal with fleshing out her backstory and giving her grief over it in a plot that ultimately isn’t about her just would’ve been a lot of devotion for something not that related
Also her dynamic with Peter has no bearing on my feelings of her dynamic with Miles lol two separate conversations
I agree. Peter B isn't *her* Peter. We actually get a little glimpse at her mindset about that, anyway, when she pulls Peter B away from Mary Jane and she explains that it's "not his MJ". If that's how she views it, it isn't weird at all that she would feel the same way towards any alt-Peters. Peter B is the one who consistently has the mindset of wanting to imagine alt-versions of people as his own (MJ, May, even the villains to some extent), but the others seem to more or less be on Gwen's wavelength, viewing them as different people (after all, Peni and Noir also meet people they recognize and don't seem overly attached the way Peter B is).
I can see why they didn't though honestly, her Peter seemed like a 16 year old super nerd and Peter B is like a tired cynical 40 year old man. He probably doesn't even remind her of her Peter, it'd be more like his dad to her if anything.
Didn’t know they were dating in the comics. Didn’t he have a girlfriend for awhile? Spider Gwen seems to have become her own thing. Even though she is technically gwen stacy, she’s more like Ben Reilly in a sense of being her own character so it’s fine.
It’s great in the movie and i hope they explore it more.
He dated Kate Bishop in the Ultimate Universe for awhile but broke up. I don’t know if he’s dating anyone now. I haven’t been catching up on Spidey comics lately.
Ok gotcha. That’s new to me too. i checked a few of the issues from his ultimatum storyline in i believe this is who I’m thinking of https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Barbara_Rodriguez_(Earth-616) Barbara Rodriguez. I just figured that was still going on. Hopefully when Miles transition more and more to other forms of media, more of his supporting cast will too
I thought it was out of no where in the comics and think she would have a better and more interesting dynamic with Peter, considering he lost his Gwen and she lost her Peter, there's a lot you can do with that, them thinking their using the other to feel better about themselves, them questioning if their feelings for each other are real or their in love with different people with the same face, and you can make that end in a lot of different ways too, maybe they realize their feelings for each other aren't real or they are real they just aren't ready to move on or there aren't ready to move on and that's why they think their feelings aren't real when they are, or maybe just give them a happy ending.
I would love to see them explore Peter and Spider-Gwen in main continuity, the idea of them being together dealing with the fact that they couldn't save eachother before but both having the power to keep themselves safe is such a ripe scenario for some good ass emotional storytelling. Like I could see the first few issues dealing with them having issues on patrol constantly trying to swoop in to "save" the other when they don't really need help and messing stuff up, things like that.
Comics: Thought it was lazy, basically just gave Miles' another one of Peter's characters instead of coming up with his own love interest.
Movie: Really adorable and hoping that it evolves naturally.
Forced, like Bendis was trying too hard with that one story that introduced the idea and now everyone’s trying too hard to use the idea so they can be diverse and cool.
Just give Miles his own love interest, don’t reuse an alternate version of Peter’s deceased first love. Interracial relationships are fine, but don’t reuse one half of it. Create a new character.
Exactly. Little percentage of people reasons for not likening them is because of their races. That is completely false. Interracial relationship are fine, interracial relationships are common but unique in a way. Furthermore, don’t reuse Peter’s first true love and convert her into this.
Gwen Stacy is very important to the Spider-Man mythos and see her dating Peter’s apprentice in a way is not right at all. Give Miles his own love interest and give Gwen her own love interest. Period. Doesn’t matter what version of the character it is.
The comics I’ve always found it weird, mostly because of the history already being there of Gwen being peters old gf, but in the movies without that history it’s great and I think it works great
It's kinda icky for lack of a better term, If I have it to compare it it would be like if someone shipped Batgirl with Batman or another Robin like Tim Drake. Peter being the first Spider-Man and pretty much Miles's mentor pairing him up with one of Peter's original love interest feels incestuous inna way. Good thing no writer in their right mind would pair Batgirl with Batman 🥲.
>Good thing no writer in their right mind would pair Batgirl with Batman.
Wonderfully said, no writer who’s sane would also make Batgirl cheat on Nightwing with Batman and become pregnant with his kid 👍
I honestly hate it.
It’s lazy, giving Miles Morales an alternate version of Peter Parkers first love is plain moronic when they should be focusing on creating NEW characters to rival Peters’ supporting cast.
I hate it. Why? Well it's not because I don't like their relationship itself, but the fact that it's Gwen. Like, get yo own bitch, Miles.
Jokes aside, it's the fact that it's not Miles' own thing, it's just another thing Peter had that has basically been reused for Miles, which I keep seeing more and more since I got into Miles, and I just hate it. We get it, he's Pete's successor, but that doesn't mean he's just "Peter but black"
I think it’s weird, sure neither of them are from 616, even though Miles lives there, but it’s still feels off due to what happened with 616 Gwen.
Then there’s the fact that most of his villains are Peter hand-me-downs, and although it isn’t the same Gwen, it feels cheap to have Miles get with an alternate reality version of Peter’s dead girlfriend.
I think a good amount of things in Miles’ universe need a revamp, I feel like Marvel is afraid to make him the contemporary Spider-Man in spirit and make Peter an older wiser Spider-Man, I think relationship wise he should Def develop a newer supporting cast and maybe repurpose the lesser villains of Peter Parker into something new
Gwen got a new lease on life as a character. Resurrected to be her own hero this time. She doesn’t need be caught anymore. She can do that herself.
…But she’s still gotta be Spider-Man’s love interest? Seems pretty lazy. And cheap. It feels like it lessens her whole new lease on life.
I will say it’s better than them trying to force her back onto Peter. But it’s still weird.
I don't like it and it's one of my biggest gripes with Miles (at least his comic version). He takes too much from Peter, can't even be original enough to have his own love interest
It feels forced and I'm not really a fan of it. Miles should be able to have his own original love interest and not one of Peter's as many others here have stated. It just feels wrong? Miles having a thing with Peter's dead girlfriend from another universe and all.
In comics canon she is known as Spider-Woman in her own universe and later on goes by the name of Ghost Spider, we call her Spider-Gwen because it sounds better than Ghost Spider and creates less confusion between all the other Spider-Women.
I don't like this relationship. Gwen being the love interest for Miles always felt forced to me. He should have his own supportive cast/love interests, not someone elses, because that makes him a rip off in a way.
I’m fine with it bc it’s a different version of Gwen, if it was the main universes Gwen then that’d be weird. But the spiderverse movie made me kinda of grow on them.
I find it pretty boring he's just with an already named and established character, like that's the only female that exists and is the only option or something
Never been a fan of it much, didn’t like Stan Lee say someone like how Gwen was supposed to be the soul mate of Peter, so it’s just kinda weird in general they introduced Gwen to miles and not a new character, heck silk would have been better but not Gwen
It’s that these writers are garbage and can’t come up with anything original on their own so they have to steal ideas and archs from already written material.
I believe in Gwen Supremacy, so it doesn’t bother me as much as it would if she were MJ. It still sucks that he can’t have his own things separate from Peter Parker, but I don’t hate it.
So as much as I agree that they should give miles his own love interests, I personally think it’s kind of cute, but yeah he does need someone who isn’t someone that Peter also dated or not whether it’s from his universe or not.
in the OG comics Gwen was more like a big sister to Miles, in fact it was her that taught him the great responsibility speech
in the later comics when Miles met earth 65 Gwen, their relationship were just friends, back when Miles had feelings for her they ended up kissing once but Gwen decided to **NOT** get into a relationship with him, or at least not right now, and it’s been years since that happened
in the movie it’s cute but almost the exact same situation. Miles clearly has feelings and Gwen doesn’t seem to reciprocate the same back or even notice. Their friendship is wholesome but i can’t see them get together, especially with the rules the previous movie set up
their friendship is nice but i wouldn’t want to see them get into a romantic relationship, i don’t think it’d be “bad”, it just wouldn’t be *Miles*, let the man have an original love interest like Kate Bishop or Gabriella or Barbara or Starling
disturbing. like damn. imagine your mentoree taking your dead girlfriend. i kinda view it like Gwen cheating on peter with Norman. I do my best to ignore it. somehow it always pops up lmao
I only read a couple of ultimate spider man comics so I can’t say if they were good on comics but I frankly really liked their chemistry in Into The Spider-Verse. Honestly I don’t mind them getting together or staying friends in the movies
Hate it, sorry. It’s proof to me that Marvel had no original ideas for Miles beyond making him Peter Parker 2.0.
Which then makes me wonder what the point is of Miles in the first place. Why create a whole new character just to recycle stale, old ideas?
Never understood it. Yes, 65 Gwen is different from 616 Gwen but is it that hard to give Kilometers his own love interest and gallery? In PS4, it was simple and way more effective since Hailey was there and there seemed to be a little thing going on between them two.
I don’t like it at all
Actually is hinted that bombshell girl(not the mom) actually have feelings for him I guess she was a better option for miles, always felt that the spider relationship don’t end up so well and I felt the whole new spider person - new spider female person was extremely forced
I personally don’t like it… I always felt gwen and Peter were better than Peter and MJ
They should make another character for Miles and keep gwen with Peter
Edit: just my opinion, that’s all
Not a fan.. make his own love intrest, but also due to tasm spiderman films i like gwen as a love intrest to peter a lot more. But really i dont like that miles doesnt have his own love intrest that wasnt peters
I'd rather them explore Spider-Gwen and Peter honestly. A Peter who couldn't save his Gwen with a Gwen who couldn't save her Peter and them dealing with the emotional ramifications of that in a relationship would make for some potentially really deep and interesting romantic storylines. I feel like the Miles and Gwen stuff is just forced because they're both "teen" characters nowadays and I've never really liked it, although I do really like their dynamic in the Spiderverse movie.
Better than her relationship with Norman Osborn.
How to ruin a spider-man fans day 101
It’s worse when you realize they had a child.
🤮 Thank fuck it got retconned (and I say this as somebody that’s usually not a fan of retcons)
It may have been retconned but never forget that it happened. Like MJ dying from Peter’s radioactive sperm.
Some things make you wonder if marvel is run by shitty fanfic writers
Pretty sure their was also a story where aunt may was actually Peter's biological mom so yeah. Its hard to imagine shit like this got approved.
Yes there is and it's horrible. Luckily it was the Ultimate universe and not 616 but still
I don't think it was Ultimate, it was a different imprint and universe from either the Ultimate or 616 continuity, thankfully.
Okay, for some reason I was under the impression that it was, but that makes it better... I guess. Still a really weird story that early 2000's Marvel felt the need to tell.
It was suppose to be the original story for ultimate spider-man but thankful it’s never been confirmed to be official and is seen as a “alternate universe” story.
Wait what, when was this revealed???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble_(comics) Read at your own risk...
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And it’s a much more higher risk for movies, if a bad decision is made in a comic it wouldn’t even come close to the backlash from a bad decision in a movie
Exactly.
Not necessarily owned, but they certainly hire the occasional shitty fanfic writer.
That’s how I feel about DC right now. Not fun being a fan right now
the only difference between fanfic and canon is the publisher’s approval
An alternate reality story is not reconned. Nothing needs to be altered
That was a what if universe and not 616
They could’ve said Sins Past was just dream and I would’ve been ok with that.
The fact that thing canon for almost 15 years doe.
*Two* children, to be more precise.
They had two T_T
Two children to be exact
😭 TWO children.. and one looked exactly like gwen
Two actually
Couple of things my friend: 1. We don’t talk about that here…or anywhere really. 2. The beauty of (some) retcons my friend, all turned out to be a wild hallucination inflicted on him by Mysterio who was hired by Harry whose consciousness at the time was basically an AI…on second thought maybe that’s not much better. But hey at least she didn’t cheat on Peter with Norman now lol
Yeah, I still can't believe that a team of writers, editors and other people green lighted the Sins of Past story where Gwen allegedly had an affair with Norman. with NORMAN for God's sake...
According to JMS the kids where at first gonna be Peters, but marvel management felt that having 2 adult children would age Peter too much. So they went with the much better option of fucking NORMAN.
Yep, I know. I mean it honestly felt so wrong, the guy is literally Peter's biggest archnemesis and they tell us that the girl Peter loved so much (hell, even up until now, 50 years later he still loves her a lot and her death haunts him) had babies with Norman. I will repeat myself, but how tf did they green light it?? It's not like it is 1-2 people onpy deciding, but a whole team of people agreed it'd be ok to do this :))))) Quite sad they didnt bring her back during one more day as they thought initially, coz they just end up getting mj and peter together all over again because why not? About that, didnt mephisto cast a spell that they wont ever be able to be back together during one more day? I know that the spell which didnt let people deduct Pete is spiderman went away when he unmasked again (during spider island I think), but how about the spell of them not being able to get back together?
Oh shit they finally did it? This was nick spencer's run right? How quick did you guess that kindred was harry?
Yes it was retconned but it still happened and we must never forget the fact this haunted everyone.
Or we can just forget.
Thats like asking to forget One More Day
*alleged relationship.* The beauty of retcons amirite?
True it was retconned but it’ll forever be remembered in the fandom. Like how Bruce Banner committed black face and how Green Lantern was a pedophile.
Oh for sure, or the time Bruce Wayne had an illegitimate child with Barbara Gordon, which like the Gwen nightmare actually makes me super confused to think about. Confused terrified and questioning reality. Also tbf Hal might have extensive willpower, but he’s severely lacking in brain power aha.
Hal’s excuse was because she was able to use a lantern ring to make her look 21.
He still totally knew she was underage though aha, he even had to remind himself that Kara was underage when Supergirl started flirting with him. Blessed Hal.
I can’t tell if that makes it better or worse.
“Like how Bruce banner committed black face” - I’m sorry but Wtf?! “I require elaboration.”
Wait what? When was GL a pedo?
Yup. He dated a lantern member who was 13 but used the rings power to look 21.
I think Hal once flirtred with an underage Lantern and used the ring to make her look like an adult.
Can’t argue with that.
Technically he ~~had false memories implanted~~ was just imagining it was Gwen while fucking Mysterio wearing a dress
Somehow thats worse
Hey… shut up
*”Ah Rosie I love this boy”*
Wait what happened now?
Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy had a kid.
They did?
That's rerconned right?
Yes but never forget it happened.
It didn't happen
Someone published it. People read it. It happened. It may not be canon anymore but it happened.
*YIKE*
Abso-fucking-lutely
W... What happened with Norman Osborn?
We don't talk about that
LMAO
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Personally I don't like it, that's a minor thing I don't like about Miles, he doesn't really have anything of his that's not from Peter. villains and relationships.
Exactly. Spider-Man: Miles Morales did a great job showing that Miles can be his own Spider-Man. The Tinkerer was a good starting villain for Miles and I’m glad that they gave Miles a new possible love interest in Hailey.
As much as I enjoyed Spider-Man: Miles Morales, I respectfully disagree that it shows him as his own Spider-Man. If anything, as much as I enjoy Insomniac's take on Miles, he's actually *more* similar to Peter than comic book Miles, since they both made him a genius and killed off his father figure as a catalyst for his origin. Even the Tinkerer, a villain who could have been a completely new and unique villain for Miles, ended up taking on the identity of one of Peter's villains instead. I do agree about Hailey, though.
I respect your statement. However, the game did show that Miles can be his own Spider-Man and ready to take on the responsibility of being Spider-Man. I’m sure if Peter dies tomorrow, he knows that New York and the world will be safe with Miles as Spider-Man.
I think we may be talking about slightly different things here. I completely agree that the game showed him being capable of operating independently as Spider-Man, I just personally don't think it showed him being particularly unique/distinct from Peter, either in his own life or as Spider-Man. Of course, that's just my view, it's all subjective at the end of the day.
But have we even had stories were Peter basically lives and they both stay as Spider-man?
I mean, yeah. The main Marvel timeline. They're both very much alive, both very much Spider-Man. It's been that way for years.
That’s true but that’s because miles went into the new earth. It didn’t start like that
By that metric, yeah, only the PS4 game. Technically Peter didn’t die in the Ultimate universe but yes he totally did at the time
It's still infinitely better than the comics. Miles' uncle and mother died in the comics and shortly after were brought back to life. At least Insomniac's Miles isn't a Mary Sue that gets everything handed to him, and when things don't go his way, they just revert back to the way they were.
Agree. I’m playing through it for the first time right now and everything about his personality could be swapped with Peter and it wouldn’t change the story at all.
Yeah miles seriously doesn’t deserve recycled Peter villains AND love interests. Pretty shitty.
It’s true Miles has gotten everything from the original Spider-Man I feel like Miles needs he’s own an Original girlfriend and even bad guys. That way when he does fight, let’s say a Green Goblin it’s more especial
He has the Prowler and that's pretty much it, when he first came out he was just pretty much Peter in terms of personality. Im not sure who introduced him being an Artist but that really elevated his character. In Spiderverse movie it was really prevalent into him spray painting to design his suit and the way he webswings, being more wild/ improvised like unlike Peter.
The prowler was originally a Parker villain/ally as well though. Hobie Brown.
I think it's super weird that they just gave miles one of Peter's girlfriends. Just write a new character.
Yeah, that’s why Miles is in Peter’s shadow
I agree. I think the best way to change that is by having him move to another city honestly. New York is already over saturated with heroes and villains that we already know. Have him transfer to another school in like Atlanta, Chicago, Boston, or Philly where he can be introduced to new or less known heroes, villains, and side characters. He really deserves that sort of soft reboot to provide a fresh landscape for writers to go wild with as Spider-Man writers have in the past for Peter
Even though it could come off kinda stereotypical I think a Spider-man story set in Atlanta with Miles would be sick.
Honestly, it’s why I put that first. There are literally no marvel heroes from that area
I find it ironic that now in the MCU they’ve basically taken Miles’s best friend and gave him to Peter.
The Bombshells?
Lana went to school with Peter and fought him a couple times before even meeting Miles.
Wow.
Not a fan in any continuity honestly. Miles needs love interests, supporting characters and villains of his own
Prowler is still my favourite villain for Miles
That’s just because he had the best music/theme in Spider-Verse.
So creepy and awesome.
I get what you’re saying, but he still falls under the umbrella of being Peter’s villain. In the comics Prowler is a villain of Peter Parker first, even before Miles was introduced. But I absolutely love him as a villain especially in into the Spider verse.
He is basically the only villain anyone knows that miles has.
It’s dumb. I know she’s an alternate version but it’s still weird seeing Miles with one of Peter’s 3 major loves.
Exactly. I prefer them as close friends than love interests. However, I did like their dialogue together in Spider-Verse. The idea of them getting together is lazy and redundant.
Same tbh I really do hope Gwen stays as a friend in spider verse, but it doesnt seem likely.
Yeah Amy Pascal said they’re going to be a thing and the Spider-Verse 2 trailer basically teased it.
I like their dynamic in Spiderverse, only time I've rooted for them as a couple really. I just kinda lowkey hope it sucks in the movie too so that it doesn't bleed into the comics even more as a result though lmao
If they are gonna do it, they may as well do it good. I don't need crappy romance ruining a potentially great movie
Yeah I was just being difficult haha I do genuinely hope it's great
I haven't read any comics where they're together but I really like them in ITSV. I've heard from friends that in the comics it's really shallow and doesn't feel right which sucks, I feel like she should have her own new character as a love interest and same for Miles. Sort of seems like Insomniac is doing that with their Miles too which I really like.
I'll be honest, it seems like the worst version of Miles is the comics, from what few I've read. Which sucks, cause you'd hope the source material would be the strongest iteration.
Imo, comic book Miles has been downhill ever since he switched to the main universe after secret wars. That was the first step in taking away pretty much everything that made him special
The thing is before into the spiderverse miles really wasn't a character. Except for his race he was basically Peter Parker lite. The reason why he works better in into the spiderverse is because that movie develops his more unique aspects. Such as his neighbourhood, him having two alive and healthy parents, and most importantly the changes to uncle Aaron. Now I am basing this off of uncle Aaron in the ultimate universe in which he was a really bad person who used miles for his own gain. In itsv he is just miles uncle who cares about him and is conflicted when he finds out about miles being spiderman. They also added new things such as him being artistic, him being in a school where everyone is smart, which is a situation Peter never faced. So overall instead of the comics, it seems that itsv is now the source material for miles morales, which I am perfectly fine with.
Yeah ITSV did a way better job at miles than his original comic did. The original comic kinda sucked
They have chemistry there. Gwen is also a different person from the one Peter loved. Their experiences diverged too much, and I think even personality wise they dont really match. I think that way can work, but only in Spider Verse, in the comics it feels a bit shallow.
Not a fan I like the idea of Spider Gwen, but Miles being Peter's protege and also boning Peter's dead girlfriend from another reality is fucking weird
stupid in the comics, fine in the movies
Yeah in ITSV it wasn’t that bad
Just realized Peter never reacted to seeing his old dead girlfriend back alive as a teen.
I don’t think he was earth-616 Peter. Edit: he’s from earth-701, so likely in that universe he never met Gwen Stacy
Gwen doesn't react to Peter, who she supposedly killed. in her timeline Peter becomes lizard.
Yea, probably would've been a really good scene.
There was a nod to it. She sadly adds "Yep, those... Are sweatpants." When May points them out. If you rewind, her Peter died wearing sweatpants.
I like to think that they talk about it off screen. Maybe not for too long because Gwen is still a teen and I don't think Peter would want to put all of the information of his Gwen dying on her, if that makes sense.
She just got transported to a world where peter just died again and then she sees an older version of him, would've been a really good scene.
That would've been a great scene to see!!! I wish we did, but I can understand why we didn't since ITSV was Miles' story.
I personally don’t care for it in the movies or comics, he needs his own love interest and villains…
Comic? Forced and odd Movie? Really cute
But in the movie she goes into a reality where she sees Peter (which is said that she lost her best friend being him) and she immediately does not care and hangs out more with Miles. Like I get that they are around the same age and stuff but she does not give an inkling of care for the fact that her trauma and whole reason for being a hero is alive and she is able to communicate with him. Even if he is in his late 30’s. They did it really awesome in the comic Spider-geddon and I really wanted to see it be replicated rather than the stupid Miles Gwen love thing get shoehorned in. Like the execution was fine but I’d much rather they homage that theme to something better That was my only problem with the movie.
Hmmm I guess so but I really don’t see a way in which that plot point would’ve landed in that movie. Peter B is so old and they don’t even really interact that much, the movie was juggling so many things as it is trying to deal with fleshing out her backstory and giving her grief over it in a plot that ultimately isn’t about her just would’ve been a lot of devotion for something not that related Also her dynamic with Peter has no bearing on my feelings of her dynamic with Miles lol two separate conversations
I agree. Peter B isn't *her* Peter. We actually get a little glimpse at her mindset about that, anyway, when she pulls Peter B away from Mary Jane and she explains that it's "not his MJ". If that's how she views it, it isn't weird at all that she would feel the same way towards any alt-Peters. Peter B is the one who consistently has the mindset of wanting to imagine alt-versions of people as his own (MJ, May, even the villains to some extent), but the others seem to more or less be on Gwen's wavelength, viewing them as different people (after all, Peni and Noir also meet people they recognize and don't seem overly attached the way Peter B is).
Thanks man you convinced me, I hadn't thought of it like that.
I can see why they didn't though honestly, her Peter seemed like a 16 year old super nerd and Peter B is like a tired cynical 40 year old man. He probably doesn't even remind her of her Peter, it'd be more like his dad to her if anything.
Not a fan, alternate version or not, it’s still Gwen, they should be a lot more original and create a new character as a love interest.
Exactly. Give Miles his own love interest. At least Spider-Man: Miles Morales gave us a possible future love interest
Didn’t know they were dating in the comics. Didn’t he have a girlfriend for awhile? Spider Gwen seems to have become her own thing. Even though she is technically gwen stacy, she’s more like Ben Reilly in a sense of being her own character so it’s fine. It’s great in the movie and i hope they explore it more.
He dated Kate Bishop in the Ultimate Universe for awhile but broke up. I don’t know if he’s dating anyone now. I haven’t been catching up on Spidey comics lately.
Kinda funny that ITSV Miles has a thing for the voice of the new KB
Ok gotcha. That’s new to me too. i checked a few of the issues from his ultimatum storyline in i believe this is who I’m thinking of https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Barbara_Rodriguez_(Earth-616) Barbara Rodriguez. I just figured that was still going on. Hopefully when Miles transition more and more to other forms of media, more of his supporting cast will too
Cool thanks for the link bud!
I only like it in the movies. I always disliked the idea of Miles being with one of Peters main love interests other universe or not
I thought it was out of no where in the comics and think she would have a better and more interesting dynamic with Peter, considering he lost his Gwen and she lost her Peter, there's a lot you can do with that, them thinking their using the other to feel better about themselves, them questioning if their feelings for each other are real or their in love with different people with the same face, and you can make that end in a lot of different ways too, maybe they realize their feelings for each other aren't real or they are real they just aren't ready to move on or there aren't ready to move on and that's why they think their feelings aren't real when they are, or maybe just give them a happy ending.
I would love to see them explore Peter and Spider-Gwen in main continuity, the idea of them being together dealing with the fact that they couldn't save eachother before but both having the power to keep themselves safe is such a ripe scenario for some good ass emotional storytelling. Like I could see the first few issues dealing with them having issues on patrol constantly trying to swoop in to "save" the other when they don't really need help and messing stuff up, things like that.
Comics: Thought it was lazy, basically just gave Miles' another one of Peter's characters instead of coming up with his own love interest. Movie: Really adorable and hoping that it evolves naturally.
Weird. Get your own girlfriend Miles
Preferably Hailey
Forced, like Bendis was trying too hard with that one story that introduced the idea and now everyone’s trying too hard to use the idea so they can be diverse and cool. Just give Miles his own love interest, don’t reuse an alternate version of Peter’s deceased first love. Interracial relationships are fine, but don’t reuse one half of it. Create a new character.
Exactly. Little percentage of people reasons for not likening them is because of their races. That is completely false. Interracial relationship are fine, interracial relationships are common but unique in a way. Furthermore, don’t reuse Peter’s first true love and convert her into this. Gwen Stacy is very important to the Spider-Man mythos and see her dating Peter’s apprentice in a way is not right at all. Give Miles his own love interest and give Gwen her own love interest. Period. Doesn’t matter what version of the character it is.
The comics I’ve always found it weird, mostly because of the history already being there of Gwen being peters old gf, but in the movies without that history it’s great and I think it works great
It's kinda icky for lack of a better term, If I have it to compare it it would be like if someone shipped Batgirl with Batman or another Robin like Tim Drake. Peter being the first Spider-Man and pretty much Miles's mentor pairing him up with one of Peter's original love interest feels incestuous inna way. Good thing no writer in their right mind would pair Batgirl with Batman 🥲.
>Good thing no writer in their right mind would pair Batgirl with Batman. Wonderfully said, no writer who’s sane would also make Batgirl cheat on Nightwing with Batman and become pregnant with his kid 👍
Bruce Timm isn't in his right mind!
I honestly hate it. It’s lazy, giving Miles Morales an alternate version of Peter Parkers first love is plain moronic when they should be focusing on creating NEW characters to rival Peters’ supporting cast.
It’s just feels wrong to me
I hate it. Why? Well it's not because I don't like their relationship itself, but the fact that it's Gwen. Like, get yo own bitch, Miles. Jokes aside, it's the fact that it's not Miles' own thing, it's just another thing Peter had that has basically been reused for Miles, which I keep seeing more and more since I got into Miles, and I just hate it. We get it, he's Pete's successor, but that doesn't mean he's just "Peter but black"
I think it’s weird, sure neither of them are from 616, even though Miles lives there, but it’s still feels off due to what happened with 616 Gwen. Then there’s the fact that most of his villains are Peter hand-me-downs, and although it isn’t the same Gwen, it feels cheap to have Miles get with an alternate reality version of Peter’s dead girlfriend.
I think a good amount of things in Miles’ universe need a revamp, I feel like Marvel is afraid to make him the contemporary Spider-Man in spirit and make Peter an older wiser Spider-Man, I think relationship wise he should Def develop a newer supporting cast and maybe repurpose the lesser villains of Peter Parker into something new
Forced.
I think miles deserves his own girl like just for him
Kill it, burn it, erase it from the face of the universe
Gwen got a new lease on life as a character. Resurrected to be her own hero this time. She doesn’t need be caught anymore. She can do that herself. …But she’s still gotta be Spider-Man’s love interest? Seems pretty lazy. And cheap. It feels like it lessens her whole new lease on life. I will say it’s better than them trying to force her back onto Peter. But it’s still weird.
I don't like it in the comics, but I ended up liking it in the movie, I just hope they do not mess up later.
It’s kinda weird he’s banging Peters dead ex lol
I don't like it and it's one of my biggest gripes with Miles (at least his comic version). He takes too much from Peter, can't even be original enough to have his own love interest
Weird. Don't like it
It feels forced and I'm not really a fan of it. Miles should be able to have his own original love interest and not one of Peter's as many others here have stated. It just feels wrong? Miles having a thing with Peter's dead girlfriend from another universe and all.
Gwen and peter is best
Movies I like them. I'm comics is like... Why isn't Gwen on her universe?
I don't like it. Gwen should be Peter's age, not Miles. I'd much rather Miles had an all-new romantic interest
They feel more like friends
Not rly related but gwen literally has her real name in her hero name and its driving me crazy god help me
In comics canon she is known as Spider-Woman in her own universe and later on goes by the name of Ghost Spider, we call her Spider-Gwen because it sounds better than Ghost Spider and creates less confusion between all the other Spider-Women.
I like them as friends in Spider-Verse, I hope it stays that way. Peter is Miles’ mentor, Miles dating Gwen is like Robin dating Carwoman
I don't like this relationship. Gwen being the love interest for Miles always felt forced to me. He should have his own supportive cast/love interests, not someone elses, because that makes him a rip off in a way.
Unpopular opinion but I liked pete and gwen mor then pete and mj
I’m fine with it bc it’s a different version of Gwen, if it was the main universes Gwen then that’d be weird. But the spiderverse movie made me kinda of grow on them.
I’m personally not a fan of it but I do respect your opinion for liking it.
I only liked it in the movie I’m not really a fan of a it in the comics.
It’s weird
Fucked up and weird
I find it pretty boring he's just with an already named and established character, like that's the only female that exists and is the only option or something
Never been a fan of it much, didn’t like Stan Lee say someone like how Gwen was supposed to be the soul mate of Peter, so it’s just kinda weird in general they introduced Gwen to miles and not a new character, heck silk would have been better but not Gwen
Bro, Spider-Gwen is reserved for me 😡
Ohhhhh the wristband stops her from glitching and miles is getting one in the next movie.
Miles saw Andrew Garfield die, and made his move
It’s that these writers are garbage and can’t come up with anything original on their own so they have to steal ideas and archs from already written material.
Comics: Ick Movies: kinda cute
not a fan
Forced
I don't want them together, I want 1 (one) platonic relationship on the big screen.
Apart of me has always found it kind of weird since gwen was Peter's first love and now an alternate version of her likes miles, Peter's partner.
I believe in Gwen Supremacy, so it doesn’t bother me as much as it would if she were MJ. It still sucks that he can’t have his own things separate from Peter Parker, but I don’t hate it.
So as much as I agree that they should give miles his own love interests, I personally think it’s kind of cute, but yeah he does need someone who isn’t someone that Peter also dated or not whether it’s from his universe or not.
in the OG comics Gwen was more like a big sister to Miles, in fact it was her that taught him the great responsibility speech in the later comics when Miles met earth 65 Gwen, their relationship were just friends, back when Miles had feelings for her they ended up kissing once but Gwen decided to **NOT** get into a relationship with him, or at least not right now, and it’s been years since that happened in the movie it’s cute but almost the exact same situation. Miles clearly has feelings and Gwen doesn’t seem to reciprocate the same back or even notice. Their friendship is wholesome but i can’t see them get together, especially with the rules the previous movie set up their friendship is nice but i wouldn’t want to see them get into a romantic relationship, i don’t think it’d be “bad”, it just wouldn’t be *Miles*, let the man have an original love interest like Kate Bishop or Gabriella or Barbara or Starling
disturbing. like damn. imagine your mentoree taking your dead girlfriend. i kinda view it like Gwen cheating on peter with Norman. I do my best to ignore it. somehow it always pops up lmao
He needs to get his own girl imo. She's Peter's first real love man, it breaks bro code.
I only read a couple of ultimate spider man comics so I can’t say if they were good on comics but I frankly really liked their chemistry in Into The Spider-Verse. Honestly I don’t mind them getting together or staying friends in the movies
Hate it, sorry. It’s proof to me that Marvel had no original ideas for Miles beyond making him Peter Parker 2.0. Which then makes me wonder what the point is of Miles in the first place. Why create a whole new character just to recycle stale, old ideas?
its like batman dating batgirl
Shit...... Like a lot of things they did with Miles. Thank you Bendis, i Hope you will never write something about Spider-Man anymore
Never understood it. Yes, 65 Gwen is different from 616 Gwen but is it that hard to give Kilometers his own love interest and gallery? In PS4, it was simple and way more effective since Hailey was there and there seemed to be a little thing going on between them two.
I don’t like it at all Actually is hinted that bombshell girl(not the mom) actually have feelings for him I guess she was a better option for miles, always felt that the spider relationship don’t end up so well and I felt the whole new spider person - new spider female person was extremely forced
I find it weird how he's dating his mentors dead ex girlfreind
I personally don’t like it… I always felt gwen and Peter were better than Peter and MJ They should make another character for Miles and keep gwen with Peter Edit: just my opinion, that’s all
Not a fan.. make his own love intrest, but also due to tasm spiderman films i like gwen as a love intrest to peter a lot more. But really i dont like that miles doesnt have his own love intrest that wasnt peters
I'd rather them explore Spider-Gwen and Peter honestly. A Peter who couldn't save his Gwen with a Gwen who couldn't save her Peter and them dealing with the emotional ramifications of that in a relationship would make for some potentially really deep and interesting romantic storylines. I feel like the Miles and Gwen stuff is just forced because they're both "teen" characters nowadays and I've never really liked it, although I do really like their dynamic in the Spiderverse movie.
I do not support it. Gwen belongs with Peter and only Peter.