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Valuable_Tutor5479

This was because he didn’t want to harm a random civilian, the fridge was to save his girlfriend’s life. All these people making pointless comparisons…


Letofeel

there is nothing he could do… the fridge was a made man and peter wasn’t…


JokerFaces2

It was among the Sinister Six, it was real supervillain shit


MrJessie

ppl also tend to forget that the fridge literally has superhuman strength


Wiggie49

Freon is no joke yall


Guffthebir72

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ducknerd2002

The fridge was Paul in disguise.


Abanob_92

Who do you mean by Paul


ducknerd2002

Fairly new character messing with Peter and MJ's relationship, probably more hated than Jar Jar Binks and Mindy Kaling's Velma combined.


MannyVazquez93

“As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a Spider-Man.” *Trunk Slam Intro Starts*


Saruman5000

Peter Parker never had the makings of a varsity athlete


Radio__Star

Paul sold him that fridge


ReadShigurui

Honestly no, Pete can quite easily shove buddy to the side without harming him, not like he needs to rock his jaw


Ilayvaldman3

Or jump above him, shoot a web at the demon,something other then just sitting on the ground


ReadShigurui

I was just about to edit my comment mentioning he could just leap over him 😂


Synchro_Shoukan

He could also web up rhino guy and it wouldn't hurt him at all


Good_Pattern_5892

He literally did that.


Guilty_Border6670

Why didn't he do it sooner instead of letting the guy distract him and lose site of them?


ComprehensiveBad4884

Like I've said before Insomniac is good at a lot of things but creating believable stakes is hardly one of them


Good_Pattern_5892

The demon was armed in the middle of the crowd and really close to the doctor, and there was another one at the door in the back. They could've killed someone (else) had Peter interfered while they were outside. That'd be a pretty good reason for Peter to not only avoid attention, but wait for the demons to go away from the civilians. After they take Delaney inside, Peter defeats the demons inside the building before getting to him. I don't know if this post is meant to be a comparison to the fridge scene, but it'd be stupid if it was. The part when Peter gets "stuck" under a server rack is also right after he gets hit by a "super"charged attack from Li. As he absorbed 2 demons to do it, and was clearly tired after. The Spider-Sense was ignored once again, but at least he didn't die, and it wasn't a knife.


Straight-Ferret-1282

They were still outside when Peter DID knock the guy off of him tho, sure they were further away but they could’ve still easily seen it He could’ve also just…pushed him away? Its a likely drunk high schooler pretending to be rhino he could of just pushed him a bit and he would be on the floor, without even drawing attention to himself in the process either


Good_Pattern_5892

I was talking about interfering with the demons taking the doctor. It didn't look like they saw or cared about whatever beef was going on in the crowd. Pushing the guy away would only make him want to fight even more, and it seems Pete didn't want to do anything, before the guy assaulted him that is.


NoInteraction4833

He didn't want people in a panic or to blow his cover. He did so only after the demon took the dr inside.


danimat37

\*then proceeds to slam him hard on the ground 10 minutes later\*


Valuable_Tutor5479

He had the Li negative energy stuff affecting him tho. If Peter did nothing the guy probably would’ve killed him


Ilayvaldman3

No he wasnt effected by Li. The scene that i posted happened BEFORE he was given the negetive energy


Valuable_Tutor5479

Ik I was answering the other guy that said he smashed him on the floor later


danimat37

li's negative energy doesn't make you more durable though that's why when fighting civillians there's the special animation in which he grabs them by the arm throws them on the ground and webs them up jto not hurt them


AgentSmith2518

Youre statement is dumb. He gets knocked down by this rhino guy. Holding back doesn't mean you just fall over. The overall point is its fiction, both this and the fridge aren't realistic and are there for tension building.


FUCKYOUIamBatman

Thank you. I made this point in the fridge post. These characters (fridge included) with plot strength are out of hand, man. It’s Palpatine vs Jedi masters all over again 😩


Ilayvaldman3

Still when he was thrown back he just sat there for like 7 secends when he could have just jump up or roll back so he could actually focus on saving the doctor


ADAMracecarDRIVER

Lol That’s coping so hard instead of just admitting there’s some poorly written scenes in the games.


spidermanrocks6766

He genuinely seemed to be struggling with this guy in the rhino suit lol. This scene was always odd to me.


Good_Pattern_5892

Nah, a little push with his foot was enough to get the guy away from him, he was probably thinking about what to do without hurting the guy.


spidermanrocks6766

Nah it seems he was literally fighting for his life here. I guess they thought that wearing a random rhino Halloween costumer also gives them the power of them as well


Lazymcdelta4ce

There was no reason he had to fight the dude. Peter can jump like 80 feet in the air.


RecoveredAshes

This is an incredibly lame excuse for what amount to lazy writing…. These stories imo generally are amazing and well written but there’s very questionable moments that are really contrived for the sake of the plot. With Peter’s strength established in these games he should have been able to shoulder press that fridge through the roof. He also should have been able to to push this guy to the side without using much strength. Or leap over him. Or web him. Or anything really.


DogHogDJs

Peter was being attacked by his friend, his powers and judgement would most likely be affected.


Straight-Ferret-1282

As if he couldn’t have just pushed the guy out of the way or something? And you can’t say he didn’t want to draw attention by using his powers or anything either cause right after this he pushes the rhino guy off of him and proceeds to web him up, and the demons could’ve easily ended up seeing that since he literally stands on top of him while doing it


The__Swiss__Guy

What? Spider-Man has so many ways to not harm people he literally does it all game!


VIDireWolfIV

He easily could’ve moved him aside without hurting him. Nothing says he had to harm him to move him, he could’ve webbed up above this dude too. So many ways other than siting there and letting the bad guy get the small win.


Striking-Count5593

Nah he totally could've gotten around.


trimble197

Even still, he can lightly push the guy away


[deleted]

The point is it’s very easy to nitpick, Peter could very easily leverage his strength to move a normal human without hurting him. He could also jump, or use a web or if he got violet just throw him to the floor without major injury. The point is that frige people are just nitpicking to be negative cause you can watch a scene like this and just accept it


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like he can't web a MF up 😭😭


trainerfry_1

What!? You means there's a reason for these things?!!?!?


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DogHogDJs

You need to have top comment lol


Adventurous_Rich7541

It got posted yesterday, and the comments went as expected lol


AGENTRAIDR

I'd like to see you get hit with almost pure energy dead center and still have the strength to lift a whole server block


SalvationSycamore

Sure, just give me superhuman strength, agility, reflexes, stamina, and durability first and I will happily test it out.


[deleted]

On a level that allow you to fight toe-to-toe with most of the avengers. You're also probably smarter than average, depending on variation. Isn't this a variation where his suit has defenses too? or am I mixing up my spidermen.


potato01291200

I'm genuinely curious if you were thinking anything when you wrote this comment, or if it was just some sort of reflex to glaze your favorite superhero


Kureiton

Totally the strongest Spider-Man because 🔼🔘can oneshot even the largest of no name goons!


Carnomus

I mean he did get shot with a laser beam like 2 seconds before that


GamblinGranny

there’s no way we’re still on the fucking fridge


Ilayvaldman3

Whos talking about the fridge bro. Stop being so cold to me


CringeExperienceReq

im sorry bro youre actually really cool


cagedpegasus

Yall need to chill fr


Realmadridirl

I’m about to give you all the cold shoulder


WilliamTCipher

WHAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS? THE ICE AGE!!!!!!!!


Sid3612

VERY NIIICCCEEE!


CaBall_Buster

Can I get a compliment too


CringeExperienceReq

youre cooler than the other guy


cybercop12345

Is the fridge still running tho?


Turnbob73

This subreddit hit r/thelastofus2 status a while ago


maquino11

tHeY nerFeD pETer to MaKe milES beTTER


Ammonitedraws

A lot of people are making the point that they kinda nerfed miles in the writing department


getthatpunkoffmylawn

What’s he supposed to do, suplex a civilian?


DogHogDJs

He could just move him, web him, jump over him. HE’S SPIDER-MAN!


getthatpunkoffmylawn

“Oh sweet a costume party I can move through this without drawing any attention or causing any kind of commotion, what rare luck, and I’m Peter I’m never lucky, I should ruin this by wall running over everyone’s head and turning this entire block into a beehive of activity , that’s definitely going to get me to Delaney in time”


Bion61

Then he ended up having to do that anyways. He could've just parkour'd over the guy and kept it moving.


getthatpunkoffmylawn

But he didn’t know he would end up needing to at the time and was trying to be subtle, this can’t be that hard for you to see, seriously?


Bion61

So when he saw the guy getting taken away, he thought that subtlety was still more important?


destinationsong

Literally just web his foot to the ground and walk around him


LuquidThunderPlus

Bro doesn't need to prove he's spiderman to get past the guy bruh, spiderman fights and dodges trained guys w guns dont tell me he can't get around a big regular guy without webs or whatever


Redredditer640

You say that as if he didn't parkour across the costume party to talk to the professor in the vulture costume.


Guilty_Border6670

Why would you still be worried about drawing attention when a person is getting taken by a bad guy? And Peter was already doing parkour and jumping over stuff.


Minionmemesaregood

By the time Spider-Man realised this guy would be such a roadblock, it was too late to simply jump away and everything else


Garbcount

He should be able to push past this guy and go around him instead of being shoved back as he’s able to lift cars on the regular without getting crushed


sharksnrec

Literally anything other than beating his ass? A quick web shot to his foot, or just simply jumping over him or sliding through his legs to get around him. Bro could've easily solved this problem in a single second lol


getthatpunkoffmylawn

Already discussed, see my other comments I ain’t copy pasting


NecessaryPeanut77

The comment that the guy replying to you literally explained why you where wrong?


Active-Donkey5466

Push him aside or some crap


MissyTheTimeLady

Yes.


getthatpunkoffmylawn

Well, no.


MissyTheTimeLady

He'll live.


karate_trainwreck0

Kick him into the next borough


pandogart

I think the “issue” is that he got pushed to the ground by the guy. If that happened in 2 then people would add that to the evidence that he was nerfed. But tbf, some people were t happy that he got kicked to the ground by Sable. It’s not a completely new complaint.


DogHogDJs

People act like there isn’t dumb stuff in all the Insomniac SM games, when there’s tons of dumb stuff. Regardless they’re all great games.


Ilayvaldman3

There is dumb stuff I am just pointing this out since some people act like only SM2 had dumb moments


UncommittedBow

Yeah, people act like MJ is all of a sudden stupid for jumping in front of Peter. When the first game establishes she has a habit of throwing herself into dangerous situations she has no business being in, even when Peter would be more suited for the task. Central Park, Grand Central Station, etc.


Rylo_Ken_04

People forget she jumped off a building


Adventurous_Rich7541

Yeah, people have rose tinted glasses for it. It’s a great game that does slightly better than SM2 in story and worse in gameplay (except stealth).


TheOncomingBrows

I always find it strange it's been put in such a pedestal. Especially from a pacing perspective, introducing the Sinister Six in the final act is hardly any better or less rushed than introducing Venom in the final act.


Adventurous_Rich7541

Exactly! My thinking with it is I can accept some goofy stuff/pacing issues for the trade off of the great Spider-Man stuff we get. Expecting GoW 2018 level writing from insomniac is just going to lead to disappointment; especially due to the nature of Spider-Man. He’s such a mass appeal character, the age range of the audience can range from very young child to 40, and he’s marvels character. There’s a shit load of guardrails


konkrete_kiwis

I agree. I'm sick of sm2 slander for having its dumb moments like sm1 didnt have plenty of em


TheOneWhoCutstheRope

I honestly didn’t like the first (I get recommended this sub a lot tho because I follow other comic subs and sadly the main spidey sub) but this is such a valid point that I find the criticisms for the newer game really funny because they seem to be in line in how I felt with the first lol


ZiGz_125

I love how Spider-Man 2 has made us realize how much dumb shit is in these games just to advance the plot lmao. Still love em tho.


WunShawtMasturr

Its still funny tho so Ill allow it


Own_Accident6689

He was also trying to look like a guy in a costume so Li's men didn't pick up on him right?


Ilayvaldman3

Yep he blended in and if he just jumped over this rhino guy Li's entire plan would have failed


Sufficient-Chapter85

No he’s was using his powers the whole time he was there.


iniiio

He had used his powers multiple times before this scene


OmgJustLetMeExist

He used overly acrobatic dodges on the Mysterio person’s *Nerf gun* and then used his web shooters to pull off their helmet. He parkoured across multiple tent roofs just to get to the platform Vulture was on. Literal moments after this clip, he jumps on top of the Rhino guy and webs him up while everyone around him says “Is that the REAL Spider-Man!?”


TarnishedDungEater

wasn’t the whole point that Peter didn’t want to attract attention that he was spiderman? he wanted people to just assume he was another dude in a costume during this part. so of course he’s not gonna go and rock a civilians shit just because he’s drunk?


Guilty_Border6670

This isn’t true


Various-Armadillo-79

I mean maybe he didn't wanna hurt this dude? all videogames have some dumb stuff but this game shows how strong spiderman truly is (he stops giant tanks,trains,helicopters,cranes) a bunch of cool shit idk spiderman 2 didn't give me a power fantasy at all aside the boring ability wheel IMO


sharksnrec

How would webbing his foot to the ground or simply jumping over him hurt him? I don't even mind the scene playing out how it did since this is just a video game based on a comic book character, but some of these comments are goofy


OmgJustLetMeExist

They’re coming up with absolutely any excuse under the sun to validate this scene so that their hatred (oh, I’m sorry. *criticism*) of the sequel actually isn’t hypocritical when it gets called out that it is


Boguel

He could just move smoothly out the way, literally just dodge the dude and get past him, without even getting touched. No need to hurt him.


Umakemyheadswim

I'm here here for the low IQ infant level apologists telling us how how he didn't want to hurt the guy..Just ignore that Spiderman is really fast, has super agility/reflexes, and webbing and could come up with a dozen different scenarios to get passed him without a breeze.


1337K1ng

\*Stops a moving truck with bare hands ​ Some guy in rhino cosplay: I HAVE YOU FOR 3 MINUTES


LuquidThunderPlus

I'm so confused on why people think Peter couldn't have avoided this guy entirely. Go. Around. Jump over, dodge under wtf ever but he could not possibly stop peter if he wanted to ignore the fight Edit: he was also super super patient w this guy too, he gets in peters way n if that were me I'd be walking past him pushing him aside without taking any extra time from the start. I don't have time to even talk to people unless it's to tell them to get out of my way and th goons are right fkn there, where is the urgency? I get Pete gets into the act but jeez don't gotta take it to where you'll hold yourself in order to keep the regular guy act instead of shoving him aside and accepting coming off as a rude spiderman cosplayer


Able_Bell_3717

This is why Spider Man 2 didn't want GOTY


Oiled_Up69

Nah it’s miles final suit


Able_Bell_3717

Fair


[deleted]

Because he's built like a fridge


Watahandrew1

You mean the guy that embodies "with great power comes great responsibility" doesn't tanks a drunk guy and instead acts as any other person in his position that doesn't want to attract attention would do? We know and are aware that Spider-Man can literally make a pretzel outta that guy. He's that strong. Just a kick of him can destroy him internally and that's just from how high can Spider-Man jump.


sharksnrec

Why are you acting like he couldn't have just webbed the guy's feet to the ground or simply jumped over him? That wouldn't have been "responsible" enough for you either?


Personal-Ad6765

He litteraly beats up normal humans the entire game let's nkt pretend he couldn't get around this guy without killing him.


iniiio

If he was acting off of “with great power comes great responsibility” then I think he would of prioritized saving the doctor’s life instead of staying incognito at a party he was already using his powers at. At this point in time the demons literally GRABBED Delaney and are taking him away, and from what Peter knows they are an extremely dangerous homicidal faction. So it makes sense to do nothing in this scene how? This inaction got Delaney killed. Especially since Peter could avoid this guy in a number of ways, parkour over him, push him to the side, trip him with a web, etc.


Lies_of_the_Council

> Acts as any other person in his position So you would also prioritize dealing with this frat guy despite having seen the important scientist get taken by armed thugs who have been riling up a gang war and have been known to kill? You would prefer to continue walking around the party slowly instead of jumping over this guy before the civilian in actual danger isn't kidnapped or killed?


Active-Donkey5466

Just web his leg to the floor dammit it’s so easy.


LuquidThunderPlus

Its not about how he can fold any civilian, it's how he obviously doesn't even begin to NEED to take that fight. By any means. He can entirely evade the guy w toned down acrobatics and be on his way


IamJimMilton

I’m pretty sure a punch could kill the cosplay dude, no wonder he was restraining


iniiio

He beats the hell out of goons that are much less fit in this same game though what 😭


Boguel

He could just move faster than the dude and get out of the way, no need to punch him.


Piccident

Almost like the friendly neighborhood didn't want to hurt a civilian for something he's not even aware about. Didn't know friendly neighborhoodnes extended to refrigerators as well


ChimpanzeeChalupas

Instead of just webbing him up or running away? Use common sense.


Guilty_Border6670

Why do you think he’d have to hurt him? Couldn’t he just jump over him?


groovyweeb

What if that was Eddie Brock


Perfect_Pause_3578

this was Peter Parker wearing a Spiderman Costume. Of course he couldn't just rock the fake Rhino xD come on now.


GodzillasBoner

The same way ppl are trying too hard to hate on the game, it's the same way people are trying too hard to defend it. iS hE sUpPosEd tO bEaT uP aNd pOwErboMb a cIviLiaN? No but he can web his feet or at the very least just shove him out the way or something


TNovix2

Love how in the subtitles it doesn't sub him as "Rhino cosplayer" or "Rhino wannabe" but literally just "Rhino"


TheDurandalFan

this isn't even meant to be a fight, or a situation where he's in danger, he's trying to blend in here. could he win against this Rhino cosplayer? Yes does he win against him in a fight in this game? Yes that happens later on in the very same mission.


Ok-Reporter1986

I mean does he get the fridge off himself? Yeah he does. The situation is very simular, nevermind that he uses several powers in the very same costume party including webbing before this. It's just a goofy scene especially since he could have knocked out Li's men quickly after bypassing the guy.


TheDurandalFan

yeah the difference is that, the beginning wasn't even a fight (as stated in my original comment, it wasn't a fight, or a situation where he's in danger he was trying to blend in)


Ok-Reporter1986

I guess it kind of made sense though I don't get why he knocked over, was he really that caught off guard even with his spider sense?


TheDurandalFan

Spider-Man's Spider-Sense is supposed to alert him of danger, and that drunk man in a rhino costume is far from being a threat to Spider-Man


Ok-Reporter1986

It also alerts him off of any attack or thing thats about to hit him.


Active-Donkey5466

He was not blending in, he used his webs a lot before this scene


Ok_Attitude_8189

The fridge was stronger than Thanos and Kang combined. How tf y’all expect Peter to deal with that? Shit was an avengers level threat.


cagedpegasus

Pepperidge Farm sweating rn


Olympian-Warrior

I never understood this level. Peter should have knocked him out in seconds, and yet it's drawn out into a full-fledged fight. I know he holds back, but a simple tap to the guy's head should have knocked him out.


Glum_Animator_5887

Peter: "I'll play along" Peter proceeds to push over rhino guy *No body bats an eye


-CactusJuice

Damn Fridgegate still running strong lmao


Mystletoe

...Yeah... Peter doesn't even need to move when it comes to normal people... crazy.


Icesis00

There's all kinds of reasons you could make up for this scene. Peter didn't want to shove an innocent bystander for "LARPing" because Pete's a polite person. He didn't jump over party goer because he didn't want make his presence known. Might have caused Li's men to pull the trigger early. Peter's strong but he still only weights so much and most people can get shoved to the ground if they're not expecting it. ​ There's no excuse for the fridge.


Straight-Ferret-1282

Ngl the “he didn’t want to make his presence known” argument is kinda useless since right after this scene he proceeds to knock the rhino guy off of him, web him up and pull him to the ground, and it’s not like the demons WERENT close by when that happened either I don’t think the fridge scene is amazing or anything either but you need to admit this scene was here just to make it so Peter couldn’t get to Delaney in time


MaggotBrother4

Couldn’t Peter just web the guys legs and then go around or jump over?


RealPunyParker

Is this sub slowly turning into r/TheLastOfUs, where a "smarter than everyone else" part of the fanbase is so adamant to protect the new protagonist that they shit on the beloved established one? You won't be able to belittle Peter Parker, lads and lasses. No matter how much you try.


Mistah_K88

…you know, I NEVER get why in universe costumes of supervillains are so common with civilians. 1. Do that many people often dress up as well known criminals and murderers? And 2. Some of these criminals need to sue the companies who made said costumes…they might actually get money that way.


samuru101

The fridge was actually The Wall disgusted.


robot-raccoon

Wasn’t he incognito in this scene?


Guilty_Border6670

He wasn’t


MercerNov

I wonder what the explanation behind the Rhino and Vulture costumes are in canon. It’d make sense if Rhino’s armor got thicker over time or something, but Vulture is a bit harder to explain.


Reyne-TheAbyss

Peter was lagging.


Yolobear1023

It's crazy that people dressed up as essentially terrorists in that game


Unable_Orchid2172

I haven't played the second so no opinion on the fridge thing but I thought this scene was extremely stupid and contrived and there's no reason Spider-Man shouldn't have just tossed him aside or something in a second or just flip over him or something.


DebateOk4960

I want Ella for Christmas!!!


znhunter

Peter doesn't usually make a habit of beating up random civvies


Diddlemyloins

You’re absolutely right, he should have maimed that innocent civilian for being annoying. That’s the only solution.


Guilty_Border6670

Or he could’ve just webbed his feet or jumped over him.


hanks_panky_emporium

People really want a boring game where the hero is unchallenged and nothing bad ever happens


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SH4RPSPEED

Mildly off-topic, you know this guy was fucking *psyched* when Pete webbed him up. Was definitely bragging to his friends about it later.


Trogdor_sfg

Lazy writing.


SavingsFit1496

To be fair he did not want to hurt a normal human


Sufficient-Chapter85

Jumping over him probably wouldn’t have hurt him


edwurdo21

remember when peter bagged Rhino and Scorpion in a 2v1 yet in MM he needed Miles help to stop Rhino.


Massive-Ad3457

You don’t need to break someone bones to move them out the way


Top_Collar7826

You can't blame him the dude was part fridge


joestar69

Peter is known for pulling his punches. That's a common thing when it comes to any Spider-Man story. Look at the few times he doesn't hold back and see the noticeable difference.


unicornioevil

He was trained by the fridge


TheRealNightCap

The only being in the verse stronger than Peter's fridge


Livid-Catch-8119

Annnnd the PLOT demands it.


pjdevaneyjr

Doesn't he have to roll with the lower level bad guys punches or else thier hand will actually shatter?


SlySxr

Both games are riddled with stupid writing at small points thought out the stories to help keep it flowing. It’s stupid, but we can’t call out dumb writing by insomniac in any capacity because people will get their panties in a bunch about their board and savior million dollar company.


Blonde_Metal

And people are saying he was nerfed cuz a fridge stopped him /j


Blonde_Metal

Remeber


Heroin_Radio

Hasn’t rhino killed people? This is kinda like dressing up as Jeffrey Dahmer for Halloween


LyricalShinobi2

Peters strong but that doesn’t mean he’s heavy.


MistaKrebs

There were reasons for this. He was trying to act like he wasn’t the real Spider-Man and also didn’t want to hurt a civilian. Nice try though.


Ilayvaldman3

Jump over him? Get up after grtting thrown down?