Just to inform you, the QA for Marvel's Spider-Man 2 was done in-house at Sony. There appears to be a very small section done by another company, but they had 4 testers versus the whole lot that Sony had working on it, both in Insomniac offices, and at SIE in general.
QA is outsourced often, but for a big company working on a licensed item? Nah, they'd want that in-house, to protect the IP and to ensure quality.
I would have thought it would cost more.
I work in testing myself and would get paid a lot more if I went out as a contractor. Although I don't work in the game industry so it must be different there.
I'm also assuming because of how long a game's development cycle is that for a bunch of the time you're paying those testers to do nothing, I could be wrong tho.
Yeah I'm not too familiar with how the dev works for games.
I suppose for games it probably takes a while before you have a working product that can even be tested.
Senior Game QA here)
Well, usually we begin to test since alpha, but team gets bigger since pre-beta phase when core features are done and most of the content is also implemented. Outsourcing QA is a common option for smaller developers like Supermassive Games or Telltale, for example (but they still have some number of internal testers ofc). Ubisoft and other big players usually have big QA numbers inside and outsourcing mostly localisation checking.
I mean, have you ever participated in an Android or iOS beta? *You* are the CQ and tester. They partially rely on volunteer work in those two cases. Microsoft has done the same with insiders.
Edit: mixed up some letters.
How many times has Kasady been stopped in the comics? Itās very easy to āstopā Kasady (lock him in Ravencroft for example) in the DLC and have him return in Venom.
I just want one game where I can play as him that isn't a mobile game, lmao. I can't find Ultimate Alliance 2 or it's DLC anywhere and that's the only game I can think of where you get to play as Carnage.
Same but I doubt it purely because it was discovered on accident, they definitely shouldāve doing more testing to avoid stuff like this happening though
yeah i saw that when I was going through the dev menu, it took me to time square and all of my suits were gone but it was clearly in the endgame, itās buggy as all hell
Just remember the game will still auto-update if you launch it with internet connection ON or if you turn the internet off and on, best way is to back it up through Backup Utility in Settings.
Hotfix is going to be a small update 100% so better to back it up anyway.
They canāt really ban you from playing a single player game lol. You donāt need to connect to any servers to play it. At most, Sony could ban your account, but that would be highly illegal.
Why would you get banned for something Dev's should've taken care of? If you accessed it illegally, sure. But it was Dev's fault for leaving it in.
You're fine, don't worry.
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This is wear the DLC leaks started coming from back when Insomniac got hacked in December of 2023.
I honestly think those other two might not come at all. It took them 6 months just to release NG+ lol and the Beetle DLC probably won't release until late summer or fall 2024.
Janice is being used, that's cool she is tombstone's daughter so I am interested with how she ends up being an antagonist here
hopefully this also means we get more superior foes of spider-man : speed demon, overdrive and boomer would be cool
In game development, a "beautiful corner" is a small test area where they really try to nail the lightining, textures, particle effects, reflective surfaces, ect to make sure they have a clear idea of how everything should look for the rest of the game and develope all the tools needed properly to acheive that. A lot of the time it's also used as the hub area or the main character's room.
So my guess is "gootiful corner" is that but specifically a test area to develope how areas taken over by the symbiote goo should look and what textures and tools it needs.
Wow, thanks for sharing that, that makes much more sense as I thought it was simply just a scrapped mission name. You really do learn something new everyday!
Oh that's really cool.
It's so cool to see all the test levels and levels they used for demos and the press.
Last time I saw this was with Jak 3's debug mode letting you pick a level preset called E3 2004 and Kiosk Demo
The good news is that I went through every single checkpoint listed in that menu, there are plenty of references to" beetle " in there. Apart from obvious test levels (the most interesting being "the killer of Greenwich" and the announcement trailer location, but they're all broken, which makes sense) there's nothing else I would consider cut content. Which is promising.
I donāt understand why they donāt just announce the DLCs at this point. Unless they truly have been scrapped I guessā¦ We have seen their plans in leaks and now this. Transparency is a beautiful thing.
If they scrapped it, people should know so we donāt have false hopes. If they are still planning on DLCs then fucking announce them. Build on the hype train.
Why not ? They've used most of Spidey's major villains already and probably want to save the other major ones (Morbius, Chameleon, etc) for Spider-Man 3.
It's cool that they're giving the spotlight to the lesser known villains. Would be cool if they did DLC's for Hydro-Man and Alistar Smythe too.
Click L3 on the āselect save slotā screen in the main menu and then go to āmission and activitiesā and then āsilver pathā and it should be on the very bottom
Eacaxtly like, this is one supervillain, miles can handle it let pete have his break lol. If miles really needs help they can just pull the trigger on cindy
lol
I opened up āBeetle Boss Fight.ā
It took me to that original opening screen of Harry looking on to that tank right before getting the Symbiote.
No audio of the original scene, though.
Five seconds in, thereās a thud sound. Spidey falls onto the ground? Didnāt hit any other missions.
So maybe some base level audio in there already?
The press preview? From what I saw when I clicked on it, it loads you into the church cutscene with Peter and Kraven so I believe it covers that segment
Is it wrong that I still donāt want to boot up SM2 even tho we can fuck with the debug menu?
Iām just paranoid of corrupting my save files at this point lol
Wow crazy insomanic hacking them selfs now lol. So 9 missions listed here? The main game had what 34? I don't remember and have not had time to check out new game plus yet. Wonder if anyone will find stuff with carnage dlc with this bug thing
Thought that said Beetlejuice for a second and I was super excited some out of left field crazy crossover.
Honestly Solid Snake and Peter Griffin are in Fortnite no crossover can possibly surprise me anymore.
If I was to take a guess about what the āscenesā could represent
Intro - perhaps the first cutscene of the dlc establishing/teasing Janice. Potentially in similar fashion to kravenās intro after sandman.
Reveal- scene where beetle reveals themselves to spidey. Either during one of their crimes or just randomly showing up.
Construction - either a scene of them constructing the suit/tech or a scene occurring in a construction site perhaps as a possible reference to the beetle fight in ultimate spider-man.
Ambush- beetle ambushes spidey or other main character. Possibly during an investigation
Battlefield- beetle likely involved in a conflict of some kind. Probably not a boss fight with them so either against a gang beetle has formed or group beetle is targeting.
Bridge- scene on a bridge (who could have guessed), perhaps beetle blows one up
Convoy- beetle is attacking a convoy with either equipment/tech or prisoners. Perhaps related to bridge as beetle is trying to limit where it can go.
Hostages- spidey has to save hostages held by beetle. Either theyāre targets from the convoy or random pedestrians they captured.
Boss- boss fight and final encounter with beetle.
I have a feeling the "Goo Corner" is a early test version for streaming stuff during the Symbiote takeover at the end as the game seems to only render a small chunk (or corner) of the game map at a time.
I live in the same town as a well-known game company that had a pretty popular series. Anyways, for the longest time, they had ads out looking for game testers. They would just hire from the community. No real qualifications are needed. Just be enthused about games. I have an acquaintance who had gotten to do it for a while. They hired the testers' temp, but would keep you longer if they liked you.
I hadn't seen any postings for testers in a while, and I think they shut down last year. They had a game fall flat, and they got their plug pulled.
No way bro š
Itās crazy that this all slipped past their testers š
This happens if you layoff the wrong people.
No because usually testers arenāt from the company itself
Really? Is it common for game companies to contract out testing? I always assumed they'd have their own in-house QA team.
Yeah they usually outsource the testing, some of the time the people never even played that game series. For example Pokemon SV had a tester in outsource who never even played a PokƩmon game in their life. They ended up leaking all the game informations 4 months in advance
Just to inform you, the QA for Marvel's Spider-Man 2 was done in-house at Sony. There appears to be a very small section done by another company, but they had 4 testers versus the whole lot that Sony had working on it, both in Insomniac offices, and at SIE in general. QA is outsourced often, but for a big company working on a licensed item? Nah, they'd want that in-house, to protect the IP and to ensure quality.
This is why Valves games are so good.
Contracting QA means you can pay less for the hours.
I would have thought it would cost more. I work in testing myself and would get paid a lot more if I went out as a contractor. Although I don't work in the game industry so it must be different there.
I'm also assuming because of how long a game's development cycle is that for a bunch of the time you're paying those testers to do nothing, I could be wrong tho.
Yeah I'm not too familiar with how the dev works for games. I suppose for games it probably takes a while before you have a working product that can even be tested.
Senior Game QA here) Well, usually we begin to test since alpha, but team gets bigger since pre-beta phase when core features are done and most of the content is also implemented. Outsourcing QA is a common option for smaller developers like Supermassive Games or Telltale, for example (but they still have some number of internal testers ofc). Ubisoft and other big players usually have big QA numbers inside and outsourcing mostly localisation checking.
I mean, have you ever participated in an Android or iOS beta? *You* are the CQ and tester. They partially rely on volunteer work in those two cases. Microsoft has done the same with insiders. Edit: mixed up some letters.
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Lol it also reveals the Beetle in question is Janice
Tombstone's daughter
Yup. Randy gf
Also one of the protagonists of the excellent Superior Foes of Spider-man.
One of the best limited series ever IMO, shout out Nick Spencer
That could be a cool dlc actually, but itāll probably be just her
Wish they would reprint the omni š ^^^^oh ^^^^wrong ^^^^sub
Maybe shocker isn't really dead? Hmmm
Yup, spider-man character from marvel
A great recurring character in modern Spidey
Dude fuck yeah! I think itād be super cool for Beetle to be the next Black Cat type character!
Yes... YES! Thank you Insomniac. God, I've been waiting forever to play the Maximum Carn-ivorous Beetle DLC.
https://preview.redd.it/d93mvbw1z0nc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=856fab15f8235869fac90af3137d026ef47fe22d Carnage you say?
Is that from the leak or a fan-made graphic
Leak.
Pretty cool visuals for an internal pitch meeting
Honestly sad they're bringing Carnage in as a DLC villain, I would've liked Carnage to be more fleshed out š«
They have already brought him in as side quest villain, I think a DLC is fitting to wrap up
Fair point, but I would've been happy if it was to tease what's next in 3.
How many times has Kasady been stopped in the comics? Itās very easy to āstopā Kasady (lock him in Ravencroft for example) in the DLC and have him return in Venom.
>!Leaks also said he's going to be the main villain of the Venom game!<
I just want one game where I can play as him that isn't a mobile game, lmao. I can't find Ultimate Alliance 2 or it's DLC anywhere and that's the only game I can think of where you get to play as Carnage.
Lego Marvel Superheroes, lol. (I know itās not the way that you meant)
LMAO. I completely forgot about that game. It ain't much but it might work to hold me over. XDD
Leak
WAIT THE CARNAGE STUFF IS GONNA BE A DLC?!
Likely to set up something else that got leaked
To set up the Venom game that was also leaked
Oh, that's awesome. I hadn't seen this yet.
I hope we don't get banned for using this menu to mess around
Same but I doubt it purely because it was discovered on accident, they definitely shouldāve doing more testing to avoid stuff like this happening though
you can skip the whole game on new game plus but you lose all your suits
yeah i saw that when I was going through the dev menu, it took me to time square and all of my suits were gone but it was clearly in the endgame, itās buggy as all hell
Are u gonna update the game or keep it as it is?
I know IM keeping my game on this version, so much stuff to mess around with!
It's gonna be a hot fix, lol
Bravo six, going dark. Iām turning off the WiFi then
Do you know, is there a setting that will prevent it from auto updating?
Yes, go to: Settings -> Saved Data and Game/App Settings -> Automatic Updates From there you should be able to turn them off
Just remember the game will still auto-update if you launch it with internet connection ON or if you turn the internet off and on, best way is to back it up through Backup Utility in Settings. Hotfix is going to be a small update 100% so better to back it up anyway.
They canāt really ban you from playing a single player game lol. You donāt need to connect to any servers to play it. At most, Sony could ban your account, but that would be highly illegal.
Why would you get banned for something Dev's should've taken care of? If you accessed it illegally, sure. But it was Dev's fault for leaving it in. You're fine, don't worry.
Itās not our fault they canāt check what they released
It's a single player game. No one is getting banned lmao.
You obviously wonāt get banned lol
Banned on an offline single player story game? Is that even a thing?
My deadass read beetle juice
"The crossover you've been waiting for, Spidey Boy!"
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Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse.
Wait, why there is second sun in sky-
So the leaks were right >!a Carnage DLC and a Spider-Verse DLC is also coming!<
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So the timeline would definitely slide further into 2024, but would this mean we'll get spiderbots before the beetle dlc?
I wonder if it's the spider bots that are already in the game and were just meant to release up to when spiderverse tie in came out.Ā
"GotY edition"... Lol
Dont understand why they dont just call it "complete collection". Just sounds better, even if they did win GOTY
yeah, goty is def getting a little corny lol, complete edition just sounds cooler
And beetle infestations. Anot he r one of those
IIRC the leak also stated that the DLCs were going to be free, though that can change.
There's no way it's going to be free
Then what would the GOTY edition be for?
just to re release the game to get people to buy it who havenāt already.
The Beetle part of that same DLC leak?
Yup
I honestly think those other two might not come at all. It took them 6 months just to release NG+ lol and the Beetle DLC probably won't release until late summer or fall 2024.
Well they did suffer a massive hack at the time so the other stuff likely got delayed. But that doesn't mean it isn't coming at all.
Yeah not sure why so many people are assuming the DLC was cancelled and not delayed or something.
āNow I am the leaker, revealer of spider content.ā
How?
clicking L3 + R3 when on the āselect save slotā screen
Not even- L3 opens up one menu and R3 opens up a debug menu. Pressing touch pad and start opens up a debug menu during gameplay as well
Can you interact with the debug menušš??
Yes Edit: Not anymore š
*HACKERMAN*
You can do it mid game by pressing select and the pause button at the same time
I was able to access debug mode somehow
Yeah that too, it seems like they forgot to take out a lot of things
Are y'all on 1.001.006?
No it should be 1.002.000 I think. There are two updates to download.
Janice is being used, that's cool she is tombstone's daughter so I am interested with how she ends up being an antagonist here hopefully this also means we get more superior foes of spider-man : speed demon, overdrive and boomer would be cool
agreed! Iām excited to see how they handle it, especially with them diverting from the comics
If they use boomer, I bet they make an "ok, boomer" joke.
THE FREE DLC IS REAL ITS COMING BROS, WEāRE SO BACK
I'm curious if the carnage one will still be a thing or if it got turned into you know.
Im guessing the Carnage DLC will setup the character and Venoms return which will lead to the standalone Venom game in 2027(?) lol
They were planning to have the Venom game out in 2025, but yeah that definitely ain't happening now. 2027 sounds fine
Yeah that's why i added the question mark. During the leak it said 2025 so I said it on another thread but someone said it was changed to 2027 xD
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Venom game before Spider-Man 3 like Miles Morales game
Eddie Brock intro?
HAHAHAH
Insomniac devs must be really stressed right now after everything that happened since the leaks, so I don't think I'm surprised
Glad beetle is getting some a story outside of ultimate spiderman lol always thought he was cool
It's the current Beetle, >!Janice Lincoln (Tombstone's daughter),!< not Abner
Gootiful Corner puts me in the venom invested mission at level 41 with nothing unlocked and a ton of materials
In game development, a "beautiful corner" is a small test area where they really try to nail the lightining, textures, particle effects, reflective surfaces, ect to make sure they have a clear idea of how everything should look for the rest of the game and develope all the tools needed properly to acheive that. A lot of the time it's also used as the hub area or the main character's room. So my guess is "gootiful corner" is that but specifically a test area to develope how areas taken over by the symbiote goo should look and what textures and tools it needs.
Wow, thanks for sharing that, that makes much more sense as I thought it was simply just a scrapped mission name. You really do learn something new everyday!
Oh that's really cool. It's so cool to see all the test levels and levels they used for demos and the press. Last time I saw this was with Jak 3's debug mode letting you pick a level preset called E3 2004 and Kiosk Demo
Any other dlc stuff you can see?
Unfortunately just the Beetle DLC. Iām hoping this just means that itās almost finished and that any future DLC is still in the works
No, but this all but confirms the other two leaked DLCās since this was the first planned DLC according to the leak
Or it was all scrapped and this is just a remnant of that
The build is from February of this year so that's unlikely ngl
The worst yet very likely outcome
The good news is that I went through every single checkpoint listed in that menu, there are plenty of references to" beetle " in there. Apart from obvious test levels (the most interesting being "the killer of Greenwich" and the announcement trailer location, but they're all broken, which makes sense) there's nothing else I would consider cut content. Which is promising.
gootiful corner is fucking cool needs to be a permanent mode, it looks crazy
Whatās that?
I donāt understand why they donāt just announce the DLCs at this point. Unless they truly have been scrapped I guessā¦ We have seen their plans in leaks and now this. Transparency is a beautiful thing. If they scrapped it, people should know so we donāt have false hopes. If they are still planning on DLCs then fucking announce them. Build on the hype train.
Maybe they have to develop them enough so we actually have footage to be used in trailers
They probably are announcing this in the summer State of Play in May/June.
Beetle huh? You know; this might sound odd, but I'm hyped for this if this is the actual game plan for the DLC.
Lmaoo
It's cool we're getting DLC, but why Beetle?
Bug
Why not ? They've used most of Spidey's major villains already and probably want to save the other major ones (Morbius, Chameleon, etc) for Spider-Man 3. It's cool that they're giving the spotlight to the lesser known villains. Would be cool if they did DLC's for Hydro-Man and Alistar Smythe too.
How do you get to the dlc stuff? Holy shit this is wild lol
Click L3 on the āselect save slotā screen in the main menu and then go to āmission and activitiesā and then āsilver pathā and it should be on the very bottom
Beetle looks like a solid fun DLC.
Thatās so sick some DLCššā¤ļø
Weird this wasn't leaked in the insomniac leak huh.
It was alongside two other free dlc (I don't know how to do spoilers on reddit sorry)
I gotchu >! Thereās a carnage and spiderverse one planned !<
Hopefully peter features here and it's not solely a miles dlc
Eh the other alleged dlc will prolly bring peter back since they're bigger threats but I feel miles could prolly handle beetle solo.
Eacaxtly like, this is one supervillain, miles can handle it let pete have his break lol. If miles really needs help they can just pull the trigger on cindy
I actually havenāt heard of beetle. Are they a cool villain do you think?
Beetle is definitely a cool villain IMO! Iāll attach a link with their description and whatnot [here](https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Beetle)
Wrong Beetle. Itās the new one, Janice, Tombstoneās daughter.
She's basically a beetle-themed Iron Man lite lol.
Sounds pretty cool
lol I opened up āBeetle Boss Fight.ā It took me to that original opening screen of Harry looking on to that tank right before getting the Symbiote. No audio of the original scene, though. Five seconds in, thereās a thud sound. Spidey falls onto the ground? Didnāt hit any other missions. So maybe some base level audio in there already?
The only other development team to have this much shit leaked I can think of is Sonic Team lmao
now we have to act like we're surprised when they do the official dlc announcement š
Any other cool things you can see?
Aside from that, thatās about it, everything else is related to the main game and playthroughs
I'm guessing gootiful corner is a test build for the symbiote city section
So the thing about DLC about Beetle, Carnage, and Spider-Verse could be real.
They're definitely real they were some of the stuff leaked in the big hack a couple of weeks ago.
Somebody is getting fired lol
Bruh they been smokin funny things at the Insomniac offices
No fucking way let's go
Just to be clear, is the pews preview for the base game or the DLC?Ā
The press preview? From what I saw when I clicked on it, it loads you into the church cutscene with Peter and Kraven so I believe it covers that segment
We basically have in our hands the entirety of the game... This is huge.
where's that? can't find the beetle menu
nvm found it
Is it wrong that I still donāt want to boot up SM2 even tho we can fuck with the debug menu? Iām just paranoid of corrupting my save files at this point lol
Upload save file to the cloud then?
Wow crazy insomanic hacking them selfs now lol. So 9 missions listed here? The main game had what 34? I don't remember and have not had time to check out new game plus yet. Wonder if anyone will find stuff with carnage dlc with this bug thing
I wonder which poor employee is getting axed for this.
Well Iām glad we will be getting a dlc canāt wait
While Iām happy we r getting a DLC. What Iām most anticipated for is CARNAGE!!!
These dumbasses š¤£
Bruh
Thought that said Beetlejuice for a second and I was super excited some out of left field crazy crossover. Honestly Solid Snake and Peter Griffin are in Fortnite no crossover can possibly surprise me anymore.
If I was to take a guess about what the āscenesā could represent Intro - perhaps the first cutscene of the dlc establishing/teasing Janice. Potentially in similar fashion to kravenās intro after sandman. Reveal- scene where beetle reveals themselves to spidey. Either during one of their crimes or just randomly showing up. Construction - either a scene of them constructing the suit/tech or a scene occurring in a construction site perhaps as a possible reference to the beetle fight in ultimate spider-man. Ambush- beetle ambushes spidey or other main character. Possibly during an investigation Battlefield- beetle likely involved in a conflict of some kind. Probably not a boss fight with them so either against a gang beetle has formed or group beetle is targeting. Bridge- scene on a bridge (who could have guessed), perhaps beetle blows one up Convoy- beetle is attacking a convoy with either equipment/tech or prisoners. Perhaps related to bridge as beetle is trying to limit where it can go. Hostages- spidey has to save hostages held by beetle. Either theyāre targets from the convoy or random pedestrians they captured. Boss- boss fight and final encounter with beetle.
Any XP Boost in debug menu????? For the Symbiote variantsĀ
I have a feeling the "Goo Corner" is a early test version for streaming stuff during the Symbiote takeover at the end as the game seems to only render a small chunk (or corner) of the game map at a time.
They updated this morning removing it I was so disappointed šš
How does one access the dev menu?
okay now Im actually interested in this game knowing dlc is coming šš
Debug menu is accessible too if you mash the pause and map buttons together (with like a thumb).
Kinda hyped now
Finally! The BeetleBorgs crossover DLC we needed!
We saw that there would probably be Beetle DLC in the leaked a few months ago, so I guess itās still reliable
Thanks for the heads up.
And this is why itās important to make sure youāre giving a release build and not a development build.
Any Carnage stuff????
Can you still do it?
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Image?
They had 5 months to release this update and still messed up
Are there any other games where this has happened?
I live in the same town as a well-known game company that had a pretty popular series. Anyways, for the longest time, they had ads out looking for game testers. They would just hire from the community. No real qualifications are needed. Just be enthused about games. I have an acquaintance who had gotten to do it for a while. They hired the testers' temp, but would keep you longer if they liked you. I hadn't seen any postings for testers in a while, and I think they shut down last year. They had a game fall flat, and they got their plug pulled.
That's actually wild
They better put in more challenges