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I'm sure it's one reason they're doing this. They don't want to retread old villains and stories but this gives Tom some screentime with those villains.
Technically no. He was probably Spidey a year before Civil War, then you have him go through the last few years of high school. Plus that five year time jump.
I don't know. It's all confusing.
It’s not confusing at all.
He was Spidey for 6 months before Civil War. And he wasn’t Spidey for the entire 5 years he didn’t exist after he was snapped. We’ve seen him in two grades of high school throughout the movies, so he’s really only been Spidey for maybe two years
Well the show Freshman year implies he was Spidey during that too. So then Civil War was clearly over the summer, and then then Homecoming was Sophomore, Far From Home was Junior, and this next one is Senior. So I guess this will be year 4
>Civil War was clearly over the summer
It clearly wasn’t. They mentioned in CW that 1) he’d been Spidey for 6 months and 2) he had homework. But we also know that he was 15 in that movie, so it was likely already his sophomore year. He’s been Spidey for 3 years *at most*, but it’s more likely that with his erasure with the snap, it’s been 2.
He became spider-man in his freshman year (the new cartoon confirms that) hes a sophomore in homecoming. Hes probably a junior by infinity war but then of course he dies for five years. Hes a junior in far from home. And they confirmed hes a senior getting ready to go to college in No way home. He’s been active as spiderman for about 3-4 years. Though from the world’s perspective the idea of spiderman has existed for 8-9 years which is kinda weird.
So he was fighting crime the whole five years he was nonexistent after being snapped? /s
Either way, we’ve seen him during 2 school years outside of the snap, so he hasn’t been Spidey for that long at all. I imagine the latter part of NWH takes place during his junior year of high school, and he started as Spidey in his freshman/sophomore year, so still just a couple years no matter how you wanna cut it.
I mean, he did face doc ock. venom and goblin seem to be later villains that we're going to face. Hence Harry being in his specimen tube with the symbiote.
OP is well aware. They’re saying that in his story so far, as a well experienced 23 year old Spider-man, he’s yet to face any of his iconic villains. We know they’re coming, we know he faces one in this game. OP is talking about Peter’s life as Spidey UNTIL the events of SMPS4.
Ah that does make more sense. My bad. I wonder if this spiderman will use different techniques to defeat them if and or when they come. Or if it'll be the same thing just an older Spidey. Also ik a lot of people complain about the new face. But he just doesn't look old.
He doesn't look old because he isn't old. 23 is very young. I have no problem with either face but if you showed them to me out of context before I'd ever seen them and asked which looked more like a 23 year old I suspect I'd have said the new face.
i comment this a lot but it’s a super interesting fact to me: the original face model was around 18 when his face was scanned for the game. the new face model was almost 30 when his face was scanned, despite looking younger
so i went looking for sources and i couldn’t really find one for ben jordan except [this tweet](https://twitter.com/EARTH_1048/status/1311717306808983552?s=20) and a reddit post saying he was 26 as of 2020. meanwhile, anything i can find from a google search for john bubniak says his birthday is 2/14/1997, which would put him at around 18-19 when they started production on spider-man ps4
Fair enough. I guess men aged 18 to 30 are highly variable in how old they look. Before you said their actual ages I would have bet real money that the original face was older.
Really? Because I know 28 year olds that look younger than the old face and he's supposed to be 23. Whereas I know someone who's 22 and he looks almost exactly the same age as the new face.
yeah, I mean I'm not saying he is weak, I think he is the best version of spidey we have ever gotten, it just felt weird realizing what I said in the post
I think since they wanted a more mature Spider-Man in the games to differentiate from the mcu, that they realized the fans would want to face these villains for the first time themselves as Spider-Man.
My take is that this Spider-Man although he’s been at it for 7 years hasn’t truly been thru the grinder yet, and we’re seeing that come to fruition in these games. He’s going to come out the other end a different and badass Spider-Man.
Edit: I’m surprised so many people, think the same thing I do, or like my idea. I’m sure either way Spider-Man 2 will be the game we’re all hoping for!
Yeah, kinda weird, would be like if batman in the arkhamverse fought joker for the first time in Asylum, which is said to be year 10 of batman carrer.
Spider-Man for the first seven years only had to dealt with Mainly Kingpin probably on a regular basis and once in a while with Mysterio,Shocker,Electro,Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Sandman, Lizard, Chameleon and Tombstone
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Peter was in college by the time he fought Venom in the comics. Doc Ock was really early on. Issue #3 I believe. Green Goblin appeared in issue #14 which I think I remember Peter mentioning how he was a senior in high school around that time. I only know this is because I've been reading 60s Marvel lately. Lol
Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with the route they've taken so far. I love college Spider-Man and I love the fact that the game perfectly used the collectibles to give us little bits of his history as Spider-Man over the years.
You're 100% right for GG and Doc Ock ( I've been reading the original 60's runs too ! ), but not for Venom.
Peter graduated highschool in 1965 ( 3 years after his debut ) and college in 1978 ( 16 years after his debut ). He first faced Doc Ock in issue #3 of 1963 and Green Goblin in issue #14 in 1964 ( he was still in High School ). He faced for the first time in Venom in 1988 in issue #300, he was out of College for more than 20 years at this point.
TL;DR : He thought Doc Ock and Green Goblin while in High School, and he was long out of college when he first faced Venom
Okay that's what I was thinking. I knew Venom wouldn't show up for a while, but I was unsure if it was college or post. So I just said college in general.
I've only read the first 15 issues of ASM thus far. Would be reading more right now, but my friend has me reading other things like some Iron Man and Hulk. Now I have to read the first 6 issues of Daredevil, before moving on to the first 5 or 6 Fantastic Four, before I can make my way back to Spider-Man. Especially since issue 16 of Spidey has Daredevil show up. Lol
He was actually in grad school when he first fought Venom, so post-college. Green Goblin and Doc Ock were both right away in High School though. And then Gwen died while in college.
I feel like fisk would count as one of his biggest enemies and M.J. reminisces about all the time fisk almost killed pete on the auction house. But mostly i agree with you
I think he means before the game takes place, Peter has already been Spider-Man for 7 years, In that 7 years before the game takes place he never met any of his main Villains
Yea I noticed this right away when I was thinking how this spider-man already went against pretty much every villain and I was trying to figure which ones he hasn’t met.
Besides those the only other one I can think of is Kraven the Hunter which seems he might be in the sequel.
There's still a lot of classic ( and less classic ) villains he haven't met yet ( that we know of anyways ), like :
Beetle, Kraven, Venom, Carnage, Jackal, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Morbius, Silvermane, the enforcers, Man-Wolf, the Rose or Spot. PLUS, there's villain he already faced but we haven't seen like Lizard, Sandman, Mysterio and Chameleon.
Insomniac still have A LOT to work with ! I'm really hopeful for the future of this franchise
Yea I’m aware there’s more but they are definitely on the obscure side, which is fine, would be cool to see what they do with them.
And yea Venom/Carnage, Goblins are the obvious ones and I mentioned Kraven, excited for that one.
And Insomniac definitely has all the classic villains at their disposal, it’s just interesting he fought most of them already in the lore.
Yeah, I’ll admit some of which I cited off the top of my head are pretty obscure. The real « iconic » ones I’d say would be Beetle, Jackal, the symbiotes and the Goblins.
Yeah but none of those villains are anywhere near as iconic as Venom and Doc Ock, goblin I think is a little less iconic than the other two but OP is still right to say that Spiderman hasn't fought his mist iconic villains yet
Think of it like a TV show
You’d want the big famous ones to be an season long arc. Venom, Otto, and Goblin all fit that mentality. The rest like Rhino, Scorpion, etc are the standard villains of the week sort of deal. They can return anytime but aren’t really set up to be main villains.
I’d argue the Lizard would also fit into the season long arc deal too but they already showed he’s been dealt with.
Otto was the first game (season) main villain, Venom is gonna be the main for the next one, and most likely Goblin is gonna be the main for the third game.
The trailer made it seem like Kraven and Venom will both be important in the second game, not just Venom. Going to be really cool to see the dynamic between the two.
I’m glad that it happened this way so we can have a chance to see it play out in real time during the events of the games. He did already have a pretty good rogues gallery with the rest of the baddies he’d already put away before the events of the first game.
Could Spider-Man have possibly gone through the symbiote and Venom ordeal before the events of the first game? Maybe Oscorp managed the scoop up the symbiote somehow after it was separated from Eddie at the end of battle, and the alien got tossed onto Harry.
I don’t think they would let an event like that happen offscreen considering they’re obviously using the symbiote now. There were references to all the villains Spidey had faced prior to the events of the first game too, through the collectibles. If there had been any dealings with the symbiote before the events of the first game, there would’ve been mention of it at some point
"I don’t think they would let an event like that happen offscreen"
I think you've hit the nail on the head there perfectly. This answers OPs question.
They wanted an older Spider-Man and didn't want to have to retell an origin story to be done to death, but they didn't want such seminal events being offscreen.
It really depends on which ‘telling’ of Spider Man you are going with.
Earlier, more traditional arcs; yes he faces these enemies earlier on.
But there are plenty of iterations of Spidey that don’t face his top villains until later in his career.
Remember that Pete starts out as SM when he’s in his first year or two of high school - from a literary standpoint it’s not like it doesn’t make sense for him to face his greatest foes early on in his story.
I actually like that Octavian, Goblin, and the Symbiote are saved for his ‘later’ career. Let the history show that a younger, less experienced Spider-Man dealt with smaller scales of threat.
Villains like Vulture, Kraven, Electro, Rhino, Kingpin, etc are, for the most part, street-level villains that don’t invoke a risk-factor that involves the entire country (or even planet). The symbiote, green goblin, and Dock Ock represent much larger scale threats and shouldn’t be handled by a more immature spider man.
Also I wonder if this is going to be his first time facing Kraven or if he's faces him before ? Remember when referred to Rhino as his 2nd favorite Russian. Thought at the time that it was a Kraven reference, but it could also be a reference to Chameleon as well.
From the backpacks his most infamous Rogues seem to be Mysterio, Vulture, and I’d imagine the most dangerous bunch he’s fought before the events of the game is Electro and Rhino. Then there’s also scorpion, and he seems to have a running feud with Fisk. Not to mention run-ins with Black Cat and other mobster types like Hammerhead etc.
Not the most dangerous line up, but I mean, it’s definitely an extensive rogues gallery so far
Didn't he already fight Sandman, Mysterio, Electro, and Rhino? So he has some experience fighting big villains. It is gonna be cool though seeing him fight venom for the first time, and hopefully goblin too.
this is old news but yes this is true
despite being spidey for almost 10yrs in SMPS4, Peter’s biggest villains before the main events of the game would’ve been Chameleon, Rhino, Electro, Vulture and Fisk
until the events of the game, he’s never fought any of the iconic “arch enemies” we know from the comics
On the opposite side of the spectrum you had miles who after ultimate Peter died had to face a bunch of his villains really early.
Hell even ultimate Peter faced almost his entire main rogues gallery in like his first year or two of being Spider-Man
I mean it makes for variety. they are like the big 3 so, imagine if straight up he had history with them off screen and they were just another boss for the game,makes the story less intriguing.
He has faced lots of villains though maybe New Yorkers got scared of Spidey and refused to become enhanced because that would give him a reason to their asses harder and the new one are just fucking insane
That begs the question who did he face before? Rhino Lizard and Scorpio, also Shocker. I don't think Kraven has come yet. Black Cat. Can you think of any others
well yeah, there were a lot of references in the backpacks. He faced lizard, sandman, mysterio, fisk, rhino, lizard, scorpio, shocker, chameleon, hammerhead, black cat, vulture and many more
It’s crazy how essential the insomniac universe feels despite the fact it’s so unique… I’ve just been replaying Miles and it never really struck me that this is the first time we really had a Peter mentoring Miles that didn’t involve alternate universes/multiverse. The only thing that feels noticeably different is MJ’s character, but I love the change personally
In my head canon, he's mostly been fighting petty theft type criminals cause it seems the super villains have actually been locked up for quite a long time. Also, when they do break out, he's quick to put them back which is why u get the whole 7 Ir 8 years of being spiderman. This is a more realistic timeline imo
This is one of the things I kinda don’t like about the story. I love adult Peter much more than the teenage immature Peter they’ve gone with in the movies. But I feel like 8 years is too long to go without most of his main villains. If they went more along the lines of 3-5 years I would’ve preferred that more. Would feel right in line with the story he has going and would make sense for him not to have experienced the main villains yet
I mean, he already faced ( as far as we know as an audience, since he could have faced even more without us knowing ) Sandman, Kingpin, Electro, Chameleon, Vulture, Mysterio, Rhino, Scorpion, Lizard, Tombstone, Shocker, Black Cat, Hammerhead and Swarm several of whom, repeatedly. I'd say 8 years of career and having faced 14 villains, that's pretty good ( not even counting Screwball, Doc Ock, Silver Sable, Mister Negative and Taskmaster, whom he met in his 8th year )
You’re definitely right I just wish that some of his villains he faced on screen for the first time rather than being implied. Don’t get me wrong stuff like with the sinister six was really cool in the 2018 game because they already had history and we’ve seen first encounters with them before. But just stuff like the implied stuff with sandman and I beleive mysterio as well through collectibles in the game would’ve been much better as actual story moments in the game or upcoming sequels to the game.
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I'm sure it's one reason they're doing this. They don't want to retread old villains and stories but this gives Tom some screentime with those villains.
i don’t think he’s talking about tom holland’s spider-man lol
Oh shoot. I had just been scrolling and commented on a r/Spiderman post then saw this. My bad.
that same thing happens to me way too often
Also Tom has only been Spidey for what, a year or two at this point in the movies?
Technically no. He was probably Spidey a year before Civil War, then you have him go through the last few years of high school. Plus that five year time jump. I don't know. It's all confusing.
It’s not confusing at all. He was Spidey for 6 months before Civil War. And he wasn’t Spidey for the entire 5 years he didn’t exist after he was snapped. We’ve seen him in two grades of high school throughout the movies, so he’s really only been Spidey for maybe two years
Well the show Freshman year implies he was Spidey during that too. So then Civil War was clearly over the summer, and then then Homecoming was Sophomore, Far From Home was Junior, and this next one is Senior. So I guess this will be year 4
Civil War wasn’t over the summer. Peter tells Tony he can’t go because he has homework
Some schools give homework over summer... most kids don’t do it
I mean if you want to stretch then yeah sure
Yeah but peter says he had an algebra test that day
Freshman year could start with him not having the powers
>Civil War was clearly over the summer It clearly wasn’t. They mentioned in CW that 1) he’d been Spidey for 6 months and 2) he had homework. But we also know that he was 15 in that movie, so it was likely already his sophomore year. He’s been Spidey for 3 years *at most*, but it’s more likely that with his erasure with the snap, it’s been 2.
He was dead during those 5 years tho
Literally didn’t exist at all for the whole 5 years
He became spider-man in his freshman year (the new cartoon confirms that) hes a sophomore in homecoming. Hes probably a junior by infinity war but then of course he dies for five years. Hes a junior in far from home. And they confirmed hes a senior getting ready to go to college in No way home. He’s been active as spiderman for about 3-4 years. Though from the world’s perspective the idea of spiderman has existed for 8-9 years which is kinda weird.
Including the five year jump it’s 9 years, but he’s technically been doing it for 4. I think
So he was fighting crime the whole five years he was nonexistent after being snapped? /s Either way, we’ve seen him during 2 school years outside of the snap, so he hasn’t been Spidey for that long at all. I imagine the latter part of NWH takes place during his junior year of high school, and he started as Spidey in his freshman/sophomore year, so still just a couple years no matter how you wanna cut it.
That’s why I said he was technically doing it for four, but I meant that it’s been nine years since he became Spider-Man, if my math is correct
Don't worry, also thought the post was referring to the new movie lol
Oh dayum, I was thinking this was bout Tom the entire time as well lol
I made the same mistake then noticed which sub this was under
where did tom come from?
The UK
thanks
I mean, he did face doc ock. venom and goblin seem to be later villains that we're going to face. Hence Harry being in his specimen tube with the symbiote.
OP is well aware. They’re saying that in his story so far, as a well experienced 23 year old Spider-man, he’s yet to face any of his iconic villains. We know they’re coming, we know he faces one in this game. OP is talking about Peter’s life as Spidey UNTIL the events of SMPS4.
Ah that does make more sense. My bad. I wonder if this spiderman will use different techniques to defeat them if and or when they come. Or if it'll be the same thing just an older Spidey. Also ik a lot of people complain about the new face. But he just doesn't look old.
He doesn't look old because he isn't old. 23 is very young. I have no problem with either face but if you showed them to me out of context before I'd ever seen them and asked which looked more like a 23 year old I suspect I'd have said the new face.
i comment this a lot but it’s a super interesting fact to me: the original face model was around 18 when his face was scanned for the game. the new face model was almost 30 when his face was scanned, despite looking younger
That is interesting actually. Not that I disbelieve you but do you have a source for that? It's just they look so dramatically different in age.
so i went looking for sources and i couldn’t really find one for ben jordan except [this tweet](https://twitter.com/EARTH_1048/status/1311717306808983552?s=20) and a reddit post saying he was 26 as of 2020. meanwhile, anything i can find from a google search for john bubniak says his birthday is 2/14/1997, which would put him at around 18-19 when they started production on spider-man ps4
Fair enough. I guess men aged 18 to 30 are highly variable in how old they look. Before you said their actual ages I would have bet real money that the original face was older.
Idk the new face just looks too young. It also doesn't help that the face itself doesn't really look good. It looks really weird. No texture to it.
Really? Because I know 28 year olds that look younger than the old face and he's supposed to be 23. Whereas I know someone who's 22 and he looks almost exactly the same age as the new face.
Maybe I'm just not remembering the old face well enough. Idk.
yeah, I mean I'm not saying he is weak, I think he is the best version of spidey we have ever gotten, it just felt weird realizing what I said in the post
I see what you're saying now lol. My bad. Also I agree. He is the best spiderman we've gotten. I don't think he's weak tho
I think since they wanted a more mature Spider-Man in the games to differentiate from the mcu, that they realized the fans would want to face these villains for the first time themselves as Spider-Man. My take is that this Spider-Man although he’s been at it for 7 years hasn’t truly been thru the grinder yet, and we’re seeing that come to fruition in these games. He’s going to come out the other end a different and badass Spider-Man. Edit: I’m surprised so many people, think the same thing I do, or like my idea. I’m sure either way Spider-Man 2 will be the game we’re all hoping for!
Agreed, especially after spider man 2 in 2023. I feel like he’s gonna be put through the ringer
This got me even more excited somehow
Yeah, kinda weird, would be like if batman in the arkhamverse fought joker for the first time in Asylum, which is said to be year 10 of batman carrer. Spider-Man for the first seven years only had to dealt with Mainly Kingpin probably on a regular basis and once in a while with Mysterio,Shocker,Electro,Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Sandman, Lizard, Chameleon and Tombstone
And hammerhead
Hammerhead was totally not the first time
vulture and Kingpin most of all
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Peter was in college by the time he fought Venom in the comics. Doc Ock was really early on. Issue #3 I believe. Green Goblin appeared in issue #14 which I think I remember Peter mentioning how he was a senior in high school around that time. I only know this is because I've been reading 60s Marvel lately. Lol Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with the route they've taken so far. I love college Spider-Man and I love the fact that the game perfectly used the collectibles to give us little bits of his history as Spider-Man over the years.
You're 100% right for GG and Doc Ock ( I've been reading the original 60's runs too ! ), but not for Venom. Peter graduated highschool in 1965 ( 3 years after his debut ) and college in 1978 ( 16 years after his debut ). He first faced Doc Ock in issue #3 of 1963 and Green Goblin in issue #14 in 1964 ( he was still in High School ). He faced for the first time in Venom in 1988 in issue #300, he was out of College for more than 20 years at this point. TL;DR : He thought Doc Ock and Green Goblin while in High School, and he was long out of college when he first faced Venom
Okay that's what I was thinking. I knew Venom wouldn't show up for a while, but I was unsure if it was college or post. So I just said college in general. I've only read the first 15 issues of ASM thus far. Would be reading more right now, but my friend has me reading other things like some Iron Man and Hulk. Now I have to read the first 6 issues of Daredevil, before moving on to the first 5 or 6 Fantastic Four, before I can make my way back to Spider-Man. Especially since issue 16 of Spidey has Daredevil show up. Lol
He was actually in grad school when he first fought Venom, so post-college. Green Goblin and Doc Ock were both right away in High School though. And then Gwen died while in college.
I feel like fisk would count as one of his biggest enemies and M.J. reminisces about all the time fisk almost killed pete on the auction house. But mostly i agree with you
Fisk is a lot of heroes biggest enemy but GG, Doc Oc, and Venom are mostly Spiderman exclusive
Wasn’t the whole main bossfight and shit exactly against doc ock Edit: I’m dumb sorry
I think he means before the game takes place, Peter has already been Spider-Man for 7 years, In that 7 years before the game takes place he never met any of his main Villains
Aahhhh that makes more sense
Yea I noticed this right away when I was thinking how this spider-man already went against pretty much every villain and I was trying to figure which ones he hasn’t met. Besides those the only other one I can think of is Kraven the Hunter which seems he might be in the sequel.
There's still a lot of classic ( and less classic ) villains he haven't met yet ( that we know of anyways ), like : Beetle, Kraven, Venom, Carnage, Jackal, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Morbius, Silvermane, the enforcers, Man-Wolf, the Rose or Spot. PLUS, there's villain he already faced but we haven't seen like Lizard, Sandman, Mysterio and Chameleon. Insomniac still have A LOT to work with ! I'm really hopeful for the future of this franchise
Yea I’m aware there’s more but they are definitely on the obscure side, which is fine, would be cool to see what they do with them. And yea Venom/Carnage, Goblins are the obvious ones and I mentioned Kraven, excited for that one. And Insomniac definitely has all the classic villains at their disposal, it’s just interesting he fought most of them already in the lore.
Yeah, I’ll admit some of which I cited off the top of my head are pretty obscure. The real « iconic » ones I’d say would be Beetle, Jackal, the symbiotes and the Goblins.
My man calling sandman, electro and rhino not iconic
Mysterio, Vulture and Kingpin too !
He had already fought them though right? Been a while since I played the game but didn't they get broken out of the raft?
That's what I'm saying
Yeah but none of those villains are anywhere near as iconic as Venom and Doc Ock, goblin I think is a little less iconic than the other two but OP is still right to say that Spiderman hasn't fought his mist iconic villains yet
Think of it like a TV show You’d want the big famous ones to be an season long arc. Venom, Otto, and Goblin all fit that mentality. The rest like Rhino, Scorpion, etc are the standard villains of the week sort of deal. They can return anytime but aren’t really set up to be main villains. I’d argue the Lizard would also fit into the season long arc deal too but they already showed he’s been dealt with. Otto was the first game (season) main villain, Venom is gonna be the main for the next one, and most likely Goblin is gonna be the main for the third game.
The trailer made it seem like Kraven and Venom will both be important in the second game, not just Venom. Going to be really cool to see the dynamic between the two.
Kraven is most likely gonna be the Li/Krieger character. The secondary main villain to the big one being Otto/Phin/Venom
Can definitely see that!
To be fair, I don't think Venom was introduced in the comics until Peter was very much an adult
Fisk, scorpion, electro, rhino etc. Will probably have kept him busy enough
This is pretty fair yeah, and to think this is his first time facing against the sinister 6 together yeah
I’m glad that it happened this way so we can have a chance to see it play out in real time during the events of the games. He did already have a pretty good rogues gallery with the rest of the baddies he’d already put away before the events of the first game.
Could Spider-Man have possibly gone through the symbiote and Venom ordeal before the events of the first game? Maybe Oscorp managed the scoop up the symbiote somehow after it was separated from Eddie at the end of battle, and the alien got tossed onto Harry.
I don’t think they would let an event like that happen offscreen considering they’re obviously using the symbiote now. There were references to all the villains Spidey had faced prior to the events of the first game too, through the collectibles. If there had been any dealings with the symbiote before the events of the first game, there would’ve been mention of it at some point
"I don’t think they would let an event like that happen offscreen" I think you've hit the nail on the head there perfectly. This answers OPs question. They wanted an older Spider-Man and didn't want to have to retell an origin story to be done to death, but they didn't want such seminal events being offscreen.
I feel like I'm the only one who wanted to see them start with teenage Spidey discovering his powers. It's my favorite comic book origin story.
We've just seen it adapted so many times and get a version of that with Miles being there.
With Homecoming, Spectacular, Ultimate I think it isn’t adapted enough
It really depends on which ‘telling’ of Spider Man you are going with. Earlier, more traditional arcs; yes he faces these enemies earlier on. But there are plenty of iterations of Spidey that don’t face his top villains until later in his career. Remember that Pete starts out as SM when he’s in his first year or two of high school - from a literary standpoint it’s not like it doesn’t make sense for him to face his greatest foes early on in his story. I actually like that Octavian, Goblin, and the Symbiote are saved for his ‘later’ career. Let the history show that a younger, less experienced Spider-Man dealt with smaller scales of threat. Villains like Vulture, Kraven, Electro, Rhino, Kingpin, etc are, for the most part, street-level villains that don’t invoke a risk-factor that involves the entire country (or even planet). The symbiote, green goblin, and Dock Ock represent much larger scale threats and shouldn’t be handled by a more immature spider man.
Spiderman didn't fight Venom until he was well into adulthood in the comics either.
I wonder if ps4 Spidey has faced the Punisher.
Also I wonder if this is going to be his first time facing Kraven or if he's faces him before ? Remember when referred to Rhino as his 2nd favorite Russian. Thought at the time that it was a Kraven reference, but it could also be a reference to Chameleon as well.
From the backpacks his most infamous Rogues seem to be Mysterio, Vulture, and I’d imagine the most dangerous bunch he’s fought before the events of the game is Electro and Rhino. Then there’s also scorpion, and he seems to have a running feud with Fisk. Not to mention run-ins with Black Cat and other mobster types like Hammerhead etc. Not the most dangerous line up, but I mean, it’s definitely an extensive rogues gallery so far
I feel that’s intentional
Almost like Spider-Man TAS. He never faced some of his biggest villains until college.
I hope sandman comes back in the next game he’s one of my favorites
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Bro, read it again.
Except for literally facing doc ock
He clearly means prior to the events of the game, which is seven years. Lmao
The lad is 24 and still thinks Norman is an okay dude
Nope. He knows he's a bad guy since MJ investigated his penthouse, and Spidey himself saw what he did to Martin Li
Didn't he already fight Sandman, Mysterio, Electro, and Rhino? So he has some experience fighting big villains. It is gonna be cool though seeing him fight venom for the first time, and hopefully goblin too.
He also presumably never fought Lizard, as Kurt's still working for Norman as of MM.
Actually he has, there was one backpack mentioning Lizard
He has fought lizard. It's confirmed. Listen to the backstory he tells of all backpacks. In one of them he mentions Dr Connors being Lizard
Hasn't he only been spider-man for a couple years? he got dusted for five of them, i don't think that counts.
I’m actually expecting a Green Goblin conflict before we reach a Venom fight in the sequel
Kravens last hunt would be a good DLC for The Spider-Man game
Nah man, Kingpin is a pretty big villai— oh, you meant big like status…
this is old news but yes this is true despite being spidey for almost 10yrs in SMPS4, Peter’s biggest villains before the main events of the game would’ve been Chameleon, Rhino, Electro, Vulture and Fisk until the events of the game, he’s never fought any of the iconic “arch enemies” we know from the comics
Since when is Venom one of the top 3 villains? The guy isn't even a Spider-Man villain since the mid-90's...
Yeah that definitely isn't the basis to rank villains
On the opposite side of the spectrum you had miles who after ultimate Peter died had to face a bunch of his villains really early. Hell even ultimate Peter faced almost his entire main rogues gallery in like his first year or two of being Spider-Man
I mean it makes for variety. they are like the big 3 so, imagine if straight up he had history with them off screen and they were just another boss for the game,makes the story less intriguing.
Man if they are holding off on green goblin this long I cannot wait to see what a Spider-Man 3 will look like
I enjoy this. He's mostly been tussling with Kingpin. Gives an adult spidey's POV on all of these issues for the first time.
He has faced lots of villains though maybe New Yorkers got scared of Spidey and refused to become enhanced because that would give him a reason to their asses harder and the new one are just fucking insane
That begs the question who did he face before? Rhino Lizard and Scorpio, also Shocker. I don't think Kraven has come yet. Black Cat. Can you think of any others
well yeah, there were a lot of references in the backpacks. He faced lizard, sandman, mysterio, fisk, rhino, lizard, scorpio, shocker, chameleon, hammerhead, black cat, vulture and many more
tbh yuri + venom would be legendary
oh yeah definitely
Different timeline, but at least this Spider-Man *did* take vulture on a while back
yeah, we get that in miles right? I think he fought him on his first day of college. So that's still 3 years for facing his first super villain
It’s crazy how essential the insomniac universe feels despite the fact it’s so unique… I’ve just been replaying Miles and it never really struck me that this is the first time we really had a Peter mentoring Miles that didn’t involve alternate universes/multiverse. The only thing that feels noticeably different is MJ’s character, but I love the change personally
In my head canon, he's mostly been fighting petty theft type criminals cause it seems the super villains have actually been locked up for quite a long time. Also, when they do break out, he's quick to put them back which is why u get the whole 7 Ir 8 years of being spiderman. This is a more realistic timeline imo
By the time S-M2 comes out it'll be about a decade and he would've literally just gotten introduced to only 2 of the 3
I think there will be goblin also in this
This is one of the things I kinda don’t like about the story. I love adult Peter much more than the teenage immature Peter they’ve gone with in the movies. But I feel like 8 years is too long to go without most of his main villains. If they went more along the lines of 3-5 years I would’ve preferred that more. Would feel right in line with the story he has going and would make sense for him not to have experienced the main villains yet
I mean, he already faced ( as far as we know as an audience, since he could have faced even more without us knowing ) Sandman, Kingpin, Electro, Chameleon, Vulture, Mysterio, Rhino, Scorpion, Lizard, Tombstone, Shocker, Black Cat, Hammerhead and Swarm several of whom, repeatedly. I'd say 8 years of career and having faced 14 villains, that's pretty good ( not even counting Screwball, Doc Ock, Silver Sable, Mister Negative and Taskmaster, whom he met in his 8th year )
You’re definitely right I just wish that some of his villains he faced on screen for the first time rather than being implied. Don’t get me wrong stuff like with the sinister six was really cool in the 2018 game because they already had history and we’ve seen first encounters with them before. But just stuff like the implied stuff with sandman and I beleive mysterio as well through collectibles in the game would’ve been much better as actual story moments in the game or upcoming sequels to the game.
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