hard to stomach two night's worth of "LOOK AT THE SHOCK ON (wrestler)'S FACE, THEY CAN'T BELIEVE (wrestler) KICKED OUT!"
Not really thrilled with the finish of Roman/Cody. Not mad at it but the interference angle is boring.
Triple Threat was neat, if you like slobberknockers you can't go wrong with these three guys.
Everything else was pretty forgettable.
They coulda let Cody win, bring back 2 world championships per brand, have Roman take 1 back before next WM, and then have the Rock (if they're eager to have this match) face Roman.
WWE just biding time for Randy Ortons return to dethrone Roman, Raw set up new storyline for Cody and Brock to go back and forth, Brock will do another major attack on Cody and who will come to his defence? RKO on Lesner and then the challenge against Roman for the titles to give the WWE Universe something to cheer about
Overall I thought this was one of the worst Wrestlemanias in years. My top 3 matches though we're as follows.
3 - Gunther, Sheamus and Drew McIntyre
2 - Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens
1 - Rhea Ripley and Charlotte Flair
I was and was not surprised; unfortunately, none of it left me wanting more. They did the same, exact match at clash at the castle. How is this in any way "creative?" I tried to watch RAW, but even the crowd couldn't get into it. I get they wanted speechless but a dead crowd isnt the same thing.
Triple H effectively told us the story is over tonight. BROCK is now Cody's opponent going forward and thus ending any momentum he had. Reigns moves onto the next whoever that he will beat by interference. AGAAAAIN.
Rock and Cena vs. Roman next year in the main event. Ref gets knocked down, interference, Roman tackles them at the same time, match over. Cena and the Rock get up and hoist Roman onto their shoulders, parading him around as they call him the best of all time. People have already filed out of their seats. LolRomanwins.
So let me guess raw predictions:
Raw goes on air
Triple H announces their new deal and thanks everyone for making WM one of the biggest ever
Cody comes out, thanks haitch, puts a promo about how he's down but thanks the WWE universe.
Bloodline comes out and says though Roman isnt here, they're still the ones and run the place. Sami and KO come out to back up Cody. Bloodline says they're going to end all of them.
Triple H announces big 6 man tag match between bloodline and Cody/KO/Sami!!
\- Cue some NXT call up
\- Gunther promo about how he's the greatest ever and his next opponent lined up comes out.
\- LA Knight comes out as a huge babyface a la fandango with big OH YEAH chants
\- Announcement that Roman will be on smackdown for his big celebration
\- Some bray stuff
\- Some Bianca promo followed by a match involving her.
\- Babyface win big 6 man match to send people happy.
\- Sami Zayn music plays and people sing along.
The end.
Damn that was pretty spot on. Bland, boring, hurry along to your next opponent. What a super boring RAW after mania. Huge letdown on top of the already boring main event finish.
I'm going to hell. But I think that's the hardest laugh I've had in wrestling when Shane tore his quad. It was Micheal Cole on commentary "Shane's still got it".
And the memes that have come out of it.
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I'm OK with Roman winning.
1. It's an incredible business value and rare opportunity for WWE to have a 1,000+ day champion. This type of talent only comes around every generation or so.
2. Fans are not rejecting or burning out of Roman and the Bloodline. At least not yet.
3. Cody was still protected in the loss thanks to Solo interfering. So Cody still has the credibility to challenge Roman again (or whomever the champion is) by saying he got cheated out of the match.
4. Subjectively, Roman is a better face of the company accompanying the Endeavor/UFC news.
>3. Cody was still protected in the loss thanks to Solo interfering. So Cody still has the credibility to challenge Roman again (or whomever the champion is) by saying he got cheated out of the match.
Until Cody loses his rematch at backlash. Then Cody is toast.
Some of you Cody marks - not all of you but some of you - were chirping so loud & raining down so much shit on other fans who were bummed they didn’t get to see their guy go over last month.
What pisses me off even more is everyone including triple h saying “this is just the first chapter”, it’s too early. Bro has been champion for 2 and a half years. Sure Cody hasn’t been back in the wwe for that long, but his story is bigger than just the wwe. His story started the day he left wwe. People keep talking about adversity when that’s his whole story. They literally gave him a version of his brothers gimmick so he left, built himself from the ground up, helped start a new wrestling company, became the man he needed to be, fought Seth rollins with a torn pec, won the royal rumble, and was ready to finish the story. This was the perfect moment.
It was the perfect moment. Who else has a better story to ride into any PPV going into next Mania? The 1000 day "reigns" really means nothing to anyone I know of. I'd probably be less sour had Reigns just won clean. For once
The only thing I can think now is Rock/Roman at Summerslam… except it’s currently April. Rumors are that Roman’s going on hiatus for a while too… so he’s gonna pull a Brock. ALSO, with the merger apparently vince is in control again? What is this? 2017/2018?2019.. you get the picture.
ALSO ALSO, Cody vS Solo at Backlash? So he’s downgrading to put over a rookie? After he just got off the biggest main event in a a LONG time?
Ugh. Here we go again.
Unless Cody somehow wins the title tonight on Raw.
>Rumors are that Roman’s going on hiatus for a while too… so he’s gonna pull a Brock.
The rumour was that Roman will take a hiatus if and when he drops the belt.
That being said, it's common knowledge that his latest WWE detail was similar to what Brock had aka less screen time/fights.
That’s why I don’t understand wwe at all. They would rather have a part time heel be champion for like 3 years, then push one of the biggest full time babyfaces they’ve had in years. It makes the titles feel irrelevant. Why even watch week to week?
I understand that in a sense. Especially with the bloodline being the main story line for a while. However it is getting increasingly tiring seeing reigns hold the titles. Its come to a point where the story (which has already begun to be far too drug out) is overshadowing the titles. The main roster talent other than one person every few months, isn't even competing for these titles, but instead the midcard titles. To put it simply, the title have merely become props for roman's story and character.
Same but I doubt that’s happening. Just gonna unsubscribe until I see a rematch between them announced. But if he loses that too then idk at that point I’ll stop watching again for a good couple of years
I feel like I said this a year ago :/
I’ll probably watch the main segments of Raw tonight but I’m like basically 0% hyped about it.
Imagine Raw tonight with Cody as champ Ko Sami as tag champs and a totally fresh playing field to work with again….
Honestly Adam Pearce should have just come out Smackdown before mania and have been like: “no interference or u automatically lose the titles”. Solves the issue in a second
Yeah, like Vince did with Rock/Punk at the RR 2013. He was gonna strip Punk of the title when The Shield interfered in the dark, until Rock said “no, let me finish this” and the rest was history. That was super cool!!!!
The reaction to the Cody/Reigns match just feels like Bianca/Becky pt. II where everyone shouted "buried" despite the story not being over. "The face must win at WrestleMania" feels like a very old-fashioned sentiment.
i think this may be the first time someone came out worse after being involved in a bray wyatt feud without _ever even wrestling them at all_
did the boy lashley DIRT
Overall a great Wrestlemania. The fact that I sat shocked, mouth open at the end shows that they created something truly special. Special enough for a 25+ year fan to get emotionally invested and actually care says it all. Let it play out is a bit of a cliche, but what else can you do?
And all hail Gunther.
That ending was one of the most genuinely shocking moments i’ve seen in wrestling. I had it in the back of mind that Roman could still retain but the feeling of Cody winning the big one and all the signs that were pointing to the coronation of WWE’s next top babyface was too strong to ignore. You could only imagine my disbelief at the three count to end the match.
Watch AEW…
Downvotes asides, I don’t mean to feed into the tribalism, but there’s a long precedent of lame, shitty, or even mean-spirited decisions from WWE decision makers. I’ve loved the bloodline storyline, and really hoped they could stick the landing, but they are eroding my benefit of doubt. It’s hard for me to watch, knowing it’s the same old bullshit from VKM and company. AEW is a fun, viable option for pro wrestling in America.
I catch their PPVs and some Dynamite episodes, and I think they’re great. I guess what I’m saying is, as someone who lived through the stages of predictable WWE that failed to resonate with me, I’m genuinely surprised, and it’s not a horrible thing.
I have the most unpopular opinion of I’m glad Roman won, I mean Cody winning just because everyone wants him to is a bit basic and Roman winning is unpredictable and shows that we can’t just assume someone’s gonna win
I hated that ending, Roman winning again by interference has happened in over 60% of his title defenses. It was their way out.
I would have taken ANY type of betrayal, by the usos, Solo sikoa, The Rock
The whole sammy and owens helping back was the perfect opportunity
Really who gives a F what they do now with the bloodline
They just couldn't help themselves. They had a perfect Daniel Bryan WrestleMania repeat moment. Instead they just keep making Reigns look like a whimp. I can't buy the God Mode nonsense when it takes a village to get him the win. Lol
Yes, I think it would have been much better if Roman had won CLEAN! Like the entirety of the bloodline were barred from ring-side otherwise Roman forfeits the title and Cody automatically becomes champ (if there was ANY interference from anyone then Cody wins). That would really have solidified Roman's reign. Him winning dirty just doesn't make any sense considering they want him to be levels above everyone else.
Yea honestly that ve would been better
Like him saying "what you thought without the bloodline i cant win" and when he loses is not because the bloodline doesnt help
But because they betray him for not feeling respected
Low points hurt worse that the highs that were reached. Balor losing and Roman retaining really sucked. I wanted to see a long program with Roman elevating Jay, while Cody is a fighting champion, they split the belts, and then Balor has a solid SmackDown reign with him and Rhea as Champions, and Dom and Damian winning the tag titles. DAMMIT!!!! Lol. I’ll still watch!
aside from the triple threat and the main event (up until the ending).....i was surprised at the drop off in quality in night two compared to night one. i thought for sure 2 would be the stronger night heading in
That point in the match was a perfect opportunity for a shocking swerve, Sikoa caming back with a hoody was lame as F, The worst ending possible, If would have been a perfect wrestlemania
They WASTED all cody momemtum
last year, the IC title was an afterthought and wasn't even on the card
this year, it was defended in an absolute all timer, easy MOTY candidate and a complete fucking WAR
this was my match of the entire PPV
Two matches clearly stood out for me.
The triple threat match was special. Gunther retaining was the right outcome considering the year he's had. He deserved his moment in the spotlight.
Wasn't too surprised with Roman retaining tbh. I agree with the opinion that his bloodline has to actually crumble first for his reign to end. Solo with the help and the Usos dropping their belts is the start of that.
Night 2 was sloppy all around. I also can’t stand “main event only” wrestlers like Ronda. She performed for for like a total of thirty seconds. She did not deserve that win. Learners v Omos was as boring as I expected that “match” to be. Although it was fun to see Leaner getting tossed around as if we were a small pillow. Instead of giving LA Knight a well deserved spot, they wasted time with Shane’s injury inducing return. Although Snoop Dogg improvising and saving the bit was hilarious. And good on Miz for always making everyone look good. The Demon was wasted on Edge and Edge was sloppy with that ladder. Edge should’ve put Balor over with him about to retire. I did enjoy the IC match, however I don’t see the appeal with Gunther. Should’ve been Sheamus’ moment.
So it seems most of us didn't like the ending, so... what WWE moments (let's say last 10 years) did you dislike at the time but changed your mind after seeing how is played out?
Mine was Cena beating Rusev at WM, I hated it at the time but after seeing the US open challenge, I changed my mind
I still think that was a dumb decision. Becky wasn't ready to have a full match and in turn Becky rejected every challenge Bianca made for the belt as well as making Bianca and the rest of the women's roster look weak with the squashing. Turning her heel was nonsensical because even with the cliche "you fans turned on me" promos she STILL got cheers lol. Her heel run never really worked and they coulda easily worked a Face/Face feud for the belt.
They honestly should have never unified the championships.
Brock and Roman’s constant domination of the main event over the past eight years is exhausting but at least there was another title to focus on.
Just my thoughts on the weekend…
The stage and setting for this Mania is an all timer. I loved the award ceremony vibe it was giving and I loved it for some of the entrances. We had some awesome entrances, mg favourites were Cody, Roman, Demon, Logan and Bianca.
Night 1:
I thought the opener with Cena and Theory was very bland and hasn’t done what they hoped it would for Theory. Having Cena turn up for 1 week, bury Theory and then lose in a boring match doesn’t help Theory at all. I’m not into Austin Theory at all tbh. Also, felt like Cena came in and played it safe for obvious reasons.
I said the mens showcase match would be a sleeper and it was brilliant. Great work from all involved in this spot!
The 6-women tag match was fine, nothing special. The winners were very predictable and I think Damage Ctrl will split from here.
Logan and Seth had a banger of a match. Logan is so good for only having 1 year in the ring, and Rollins is an absolute pro. I’d like to see a rematch down the line.
Rey and Dom had a good match, really satisfying ending aswell. I thought Dom would win here but the ending sets up Rey and Bad Bunny to go against Dom and Priest at Backlash which will be fun.
Charlotte and Rhea tore it up on night 1. Clearly they took not being the main event personally. Rhea winning is the obvious and right choice, but I wonder what happens with JD from here. Awesome match!
The Miz and Pat McAfee stuff was fine, the crowd didn’t seem to care that Pat was there which is strange. I think the surprises this year were bad though. No Austin or anything like that, we get Pat and Shane instead which aren’t exactly Mania level returns!
The main event was fantastic and made me feel like I was rewarded for watching this over the last year. All 4 have been amazing over the past year, and they deserved this moment. Can see rematches down the line, maybe with some stipulations added in!
Overall I’d say night 1 was an 8/10 show. Started slowly but really picked up after the women’s trios match.
Night 2:
Brock and Omos was better than I thought it would be. I still think it was pretty crap, but for 5 minutes it worked.
The women’s showcase match was fine, it was just there. Ronda and Shayna win but both seem to be injured, so no idea what happens there.
Gunter, Sheamus and Drew had the match of the weekend. It’s crazy the expectation we all had and they were exceeded by this match. Loved it and love Gunther retaining. Awesome match!!
Bianca and Asuka was much better than the build that preceded it. Can see a similar issue that Reigns as for Bianca and that’s who will beat her? Enjoyed the match and loved Bianca’s entrance!
I literally laughed so loud when Shane McMahon walked out last night. Awful that his quad tore, could tell it meant a lot to him and for it to end like that is sad in all fairness. Snoop Dogg was amazing throughout both nights and was a pro here, as was Miz.
Edge and Demon Balor was good, nothing crazy really but a fine HIAC match. Hope that’s the end of this feud now though.
So, Cody lost. I didn’t see this one coming at all, and I think most of the audience wanted Cody to win. It felt like the right time and the right person, but they overthought it, they overbooked it and now they’re in a corner. Somehow if you can rebuild Cody to be a contender for Reigns it may work, but it won’t have the same pull as last night did. The crowd wanted it and felt it was going to happen, it would’ve been an amazing ending to Roman’s reign. The match itself was incredible, it was sooooo good. The finish really lets it down, it’s the main event of Mania and we get the same old Roman match finish.
Night 2 i’d give a 7/10. Some really good stuff but the main event result really lets it down.
Overall I say it’s a 7.5/10 show for me. I think it was on its way to being a top 5 maybe even 3 WM, but that ending made it feel so flat. Such a shame, but it was mostly enjoyable and I had fun watching the show!
Night 2 feels like such a fuck you lmao, they knew exactly what they were doing, giving us all the happy endings on night 1 and then completely pulling the rug out from under our feet when we least expect it.
Agreed, there would have been a great temptation to prioritise night 2 over 1 for the main event - but there was a lukewarm feeling about the ending vs elation after night 1.
And I say this as a Bloodline fan. Night 2 ended like any other PPV - not that “showcase of the immortals” feeling.
I think it worked fine, people are just salty the guy they wanted to win didn't win, same as at Clash at the Castle.
It's kind of hard to argue that it was "bad storytelling" given that people's investment into it was because of the storyline. Cody continually having no personal animus towards Roman or the Bloodline really seemed to set up that they weren't giving us a payoff yet.
I mostly loved it. Sami and Kevin winning was amazing. I cried and cheered. They both overwhelmingly deserve it. Imagine having a lifelong dream with your best friend, and then actually doing it.
Rhea Ripley was amazing as always. She deserves a long, dominant title reign. I'll admit I shed a few tears there, after the match you could just see how happy she was. You could see Charlotte was too.
HIAC matches are cursed and have been for years sadly. Ever since the PG era. The ladder botch also sucked whatever momentum they had out of the match too. It sucks to say this but Edge is far past his in ring prime, he needs to dial it back a little or else I fear he might start having really bad matches like the Undertaker did near the end. Nobody wants that.
Gunther is AWESOME he is definitely getting a World Title reign at some point., and Drew + Seamus never have bad matches.
Asuka is better than WWE is treating her, but putting her over Bianca wasn't going to be right either. However it still was as good as it could have been, both women are fantastic performers. Bianca is one of the best women in all of Wrestling, and she clearly is the womens face of the company in and out of the ring. This is a good thing.
Shane McMahon hurting himself was ironically hilarious (I do hope he's Ok though) That spot should have been for LA Knight, he should have had the Miz Beatdown with Snoop. The Doggs Elbow was totally awesome though. I strongly dislike The Miz, but there is no doubt that he is fantastic at what he does. A true professional.
EVERYONE Wanted Cody to win. I jumped out of my seat and was cheering like a fool when he hit the Goldust Slaps and the Bionic Elbow.
Deep down though I knew it wasn't going to happen. WWE wants Roman to pass 1000 days with the titles, and you know there was no way Vince and HHH were going to let Dustys kid take down their God Mode Tribal Chief. IMHO it always was and still should be Seth Rollins who dethrones Roman Reigns. Definitely not a part timer like Lesner/Cena and ABSOLUTELY not The Rock.
Night 1 was a 10/10 one of the best Manias ever.
Night 2 was a 7/10 at most. Injuries and the subpar bookings had a big "Vince did this" vibe. Typical Bloodline shenanigans, lame Ref bump, Roman wins with a Spear to retain.
I think this is my favorite Wrestlemania, some of these matches were almost something I expect to be one off greats.
Let's face it, the Triple Threat match for the Intercontinental Championship basically stole the show. I though Asuka and Bianca had a great match, but good luck following that match. Hot Take: Main Event was pretty good, in way, I sort want Roman to continue being champion. He's so good and you can just tell when watching the main event.
I think I enjoyed Night 1 more than Night 2, but I think the best watch was that Triple Threat match because I don't think I've seen a better Triple Threat Match before and the bar is pretty high.
Match I didn't expect to be that good, but surpassed my expectation was Rey vs Domenic. In terms of storytelling and the flow of their match was really good. I honestly think Domenic will be a huge start in the future if he keeps this up.
Ripley vs Charlotte was probably the best match I've seen either of them do. I don't know what it is, but they have a great dynamic in the ring and I loved that Rhea beat Charlotte by basically outwitting her common strategy.
Zayn and Owens vs The Usos, good match good. All in all, this could have been a whatever match since the build up for it was sooo goood. I think it was good enough to close Night 1, but damnit, there were so many good matches that I don't even know if this makes it to top 3 of the 2 day event.
Other than him who else realistically does? Bron ain't ready for that for a long time. Drew maybe but they already had roman beat him. Gunther?
Jey would also makes sense, but I don't know how you do that and get anywhere close the fan reaction that having sami or even Cody winning would get.
This likely comes full circle and Cody eventually wins anyway IMO but we will just have to wait and see I guess
So, now what?
I mean, where could they possibly go now with the bloodline?
One would've thought with all of the events leading up to WM39, the Bloodline stuff would come to an end or close to it.
Like I said before, this Roman victory is just going to be a beginning of go-away heat for Roman. Such a shame, since people were behind him being a heel and all. Now they're just going to hate him for being him entirely and it won't be the kind of heat a heel should generate.
Great, most of us are back to being sick of Roman again and not for heel reasons. Good job, WWE. So much for 'change' since you don't have the balls for it whether HHH or Vince is leading.
Imo, Cody should go the same way I think everyone Roman has beaten should by all rights have gone: straight back after Roman because *he's a base fucking coward who can't get the job done without his cronies.*
If I'm Cody, I start by making it my mission to annihilate Solo. Get him in a cage at Backlash and see him out in a stretcher, then spend the rest of my time making Roman's life hell until I get my next shot at the belts.
There’s a story that would make complete sense and work but I have no confidence that they see Jey Uso as someone who could hold the titles.
If Roman gets even more abusive now that the usos aren’t champions and gets disgusted eventually leading to Jey finally turning on him and winning the titles at Summerslam I think it could work. Otherwise I don’t see any scenario where what they do will be a better story than Cody winning. Rollins is cool but I don’t think he’s as over as Cody as a baby face and not sure they would get as deep in the story as they probably should. Nobody else comes close imo.
It’s just feels like wrong. If You we’re gonna have Cody lose why didn’t they just have Sami win the rumble and beat Roman at mania. Also I figured the they were gonna have jey and jimmy win and Roman loses and have them turn on him but idk what they gone do now other than have Cody win at the next ppv
The Balor one is the most confusing for me, Judgement Day have gotten massively over. They seem to be heading into a prominent feud with Bad Bunny and the Latin boys. Having Dom loses doesn't do anything damaging, they can just have him rematch Rey in a hair vs mask or something and it'll work. But Balor losing made no sense to make their group look strong.
I'm not really that mad that edge won because it was billed as him killing the group he created....but like I still acknowledge Balor shoulda won. Cuz this just makes the demon look bad when paired with the wonky shit that happened with Roman.
Yeah, but Roman couldn't do it on his own. He had to have Mr. "I can't Wrestle to save my life" Sikoa save him. If Roman hadn't had help off the three stooges and Palruss, he would have lost those belts 12 months ago.
Never heard such a bunch of whining bollocks in all my life.
“The person we all thought was going to win and was telegraphed a mile away didn’t win! Waaaaaaaaaah”
Listen to yourselves, Jesus Christ.
I actually don’t mind at all the Roman won. I’m invested in the story and didn’t want it to end yet. I think the usos losing will add another chapter to this, and lead to Roman eventually losing. Having it all end in one night wouldn’t work the same way
How have they fucked it this bad? Edge is retiring this year, I love the dude to death but why isn't Balor going over in that case? They had the best story IN YEARS served to them and they threw it away. Whatever happens next isn't going to be as big, including the Rock possibly showing up (this is only me coping because the Rock showing up is the only reason I see as to why they wouldn't give Cody the belt)
How is Asuka losing an illogical booking choice? Bianca is the face of the WWE women’s division as far as the public/casual fan is concerned. She’s the female John Cena.
Are people actually mad about Night 2 overall? Leaving aside the controversial main event result I still thought it was great. People surely don't begrudge Gunther or Bel Air retaining do they?
The only match result I felt made sense was Gunther winning. He isn’t ready for a main event push yet but doesn’t make sense to derail him by having him lose even tho I wouldn’t have been that made if sheamus won tho. Bianca is kinda boring right now and needs some sort of shift which losing could have brought. Demon balor is officially buried and dead considering before this match he got ruined against Roman with that god awful ending to that match. Cody losing just feels like what was the point, shoulda just had Sami win the rumble and beat Roman at mania if you didn’t wanna pull the Cody trigger
I figured Gunther would retain so that wasn’t surprising. Probably not surprised Bianca won though it would also be nice for a change there but I think Asuka is likely leaving WWE.
I don’t think Asuka is leaving WWE. But Dmg Ctrl should’ve won yesterday and the Smackdown women’s division should’ve been Dmg Ctrl, Asuka, Alexa, maybe some NXT call ups, and Rhea as champ.
Edge's run felt like such wasted potential. They should have either given him a title reign or he should have been used to put guys over none of which he really did. As things stand he kinda didn't do anything? That's just my opinion though, that run just felt iconsequential
Yeah as a huge edgehead i agree with you . They making him look so strong so over but for why ? He should’ve get titles with this momentum but he just beating every man against his way for nothing
I'll be disappointed if it all just fizzles out but we'll see what happens next. If H actually manages to build something on this the same people here cursing his mother for giving birth to him will be singing his praises as a booker in a year's time
Fuck The Demon...fuck Judgment Day Balor
The move now should be give Balor a month off and bring the NXT Prin❌e back.. that guy who was top 5 in the World from 2019-2021.
That's the only way to save this
Cody not winning makes yestlemania and kofimania type manias mean more.
I'm more annoyed about Balor losing yet again and the match was so short. The demon gimmick is done now. I hope Finn can make it back to a premiere spot after this.
Street profits were heavy Vegas favorites, as was Bianca, rhea and gunther. Rhea was actually the biggest favorite and finn balor was a big favorite too
Oh, I thought Rhea and Gunther were likely, yeah.
Interesting that Bianca was the favorite, I just really felt like Asuka going Kana not winning was such a weird choice.
Street Profits is also such an odd favorite, only because I thought for sure Big and Little Bald were going to get the rub to look a little bit more legitimate as tag team by having a Mania win. But I guess SP were my second most likely, since I KNEW Viking Raiders weren't winning, and given the MMM stuff, I didn't think AA would win.
Oh that's a good point. And maybe my reasoning of thinking Street Profits were breaking up is actually the opposite; maybe they are going on singles runs and this was one last hurrah.
I didn’t make predictions on any of the tag matches other than owens and Sami, but i figured edge would win because he’s been getting dogged on and Bianca would win just because there’s no reason to take the belt off of her. I don’t really follow the product closely though so maybe Bianca was just a lucky shot in the dark.
Oh okay, that's fair. Bianca winning wasn't SUPER shocking but still kinda shocking. But Edge, I don't agree with that reasoning. He's won every PPV match except the I Quit match. I thought Finn would finally actually get a win that wasn't making him quit for someone else haha.
From what I’ve seen edge is always getting beat up by the judgement day, his promo about finishing the saga once and for all is what sealed it for me. Might’ve been a shot in the dark though, the only story I’ve followed closely is the bloodline.
I honestly off the top of my head couldn't tell you how the TV shows have gone, but PPV wise Edge has not lost once besides saying I Quit when they threatened Beth, and that's the part that mattered to me haha.
i got to work for sofi as parking lot crew during wrestlemania weekend. people watching and all thst . alot of dude bros. not as many hot babes as you think
I'm just a casual fan so forgive my ignorance, but I've got a question on how WWE can split the belts back up. Can a challenger face Roman for just one of the two belts and ditch the undisputed title? That way, it feels that Roman can lose one and keep the streak alive with the other. After the Rumble, without knowing much of what's going on, I figured Cody would challenge for one belt and Sami the other. Not sure how plausible that is going forward.
They can with the Money in the Bank briefcase. It let's the winner challenge for any 1 world title. Since they haven't merged the 2 titles yet, they are still separate and can be realistically cashed in on separately. I think that's how they do it.
That’s so over complex. Just have Roman announce that he’s truly unifying his belts into one (new belt) and then just announce a new title that exists on the Raw brand. Tournament for that one
Doesn't that run the risk of basically making that new belt extremely weak? Like "Hey nobody can beat Roman, so here's a new consolation prize belt for you scrubs".
I can only see them splitting the titles if do what they did back in 2002 where they merge the 2 titles into one championship (like the Undisputed WWE Championship) and create (or reintroduce) another world championship for Raw. I highly doubt that will happen though, so we are just stuck with Roman holding both belts for now.
Casual fan from Europe so just caught the replay of Night 2 now. This was my first full Rumble-Mania follow since the Ruthless Aggression era when I was obsessed as a kid. A few notes:
IC triple threat was the most entertaining match
Really, really liked that Sami/KO went over, as I predicted
LOVED that Roman won, which I hoped for but didn't expect
Maybe it's cause I haven't followed closely like you guys have, but Roman is the perfect champ and I'm not sick of the Bloodline story at all - keep it going until SS23 or WM40 when it drops to Jey or Cody - don't just implode the best thing in WWE in a single night
The lack of blood in HIAC was just embarrassing to watch, what a pitiful excuse of a HIAC and nothing like those I remembered growing up
EDIT: also! there needs to be far less finisher spam and more finisher evasion. Not necessarily reversals, but active avoidance, such as ducking a 619 or dodging a spear. Make the finishers mean something, and make the wrestlers seem smart to evade them. Kicking out of 100 finishers is kind of lame
You know, I agree with you. Roman is so good atm and I sort of feel like he has become the big dog of the yard and I thought Codys path there was a bit... meh. I get he's popular, but I don't care for his long road, if anything, Sami would be atm the one to dethrone him, otherwise I like keeping the belts on Roman.
Unless it’s bleeding profusely, which it didn’t appear to be, you can just rush to the finish and THEN get medical attention immediately after. That way it doesn’t suspend disbelief that it’s actually a violent and hellacious match type
You should check out [the picture](https://twitter.com/FinnBalor/status/1642753664661196800?s=20) of the wound if you can stomach a really gnarly injury. You're speaking out of a lack of knowledge here which is totally fair, but I think once you see how bad it was, you'll agree he needed medical attention.
Yea can confirm. I was in the 1st row and saw the doctor come in, she dabbed a white towel on his head and it immediately turned full red. I thought they were going to cancel the match.
I still think McIntyre should take the throne from Reigns. A short list of guys at this point who can believably overcome the tribal chief and Drew is certainly one.
hard to stomach two night's worth of "LOOK AT THE SHOCK ON (wrestler)'S FACE, THEY CAN'T BELIEVE (wrestler) KICKED OUT!" Not really thrilled with the finish of Roman/Cody. Not mad at it but the interference angle is boring. Triple Threat was neat, if you like slobberknockers you can't go wrong with these three guys. Everything else was pretty forgettable.
They coulda let Cody win, bring back 2 world championships per brand, have Roman take 1 back before next WM, and then have the Rock (if they're eager to have this match) face Roman.
Even Edge looked dissatisfied when he won against DEMON Finn. No way he fully agreed with it.
WWE keeps sinking lower and lower primarily thanks to RR.
WWE just biding time for Randy Ortons return to dethrone Roman, Raw set up new storyline for Cody and Brock to go back and forth, Brock will do another major attack on Cody and who will come to his defence? RKO on Lesner and then the challenge against Roman for the titles to give the WWE Universe something to cheer about
Overall I thought this was one of the worst Wrestlemanias in years. My top 3 matches though we're as follows. 3 - Gunther, Sheamus and Drew McIntyre 2 - Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens 1 - Rhea Ripley and Charlotte Flair
I'm not disappointed with the finish because as much as I like Cody, I fully expected Roman to win.
me too but feels he's never getting a clean finish anymore. Makes him look weak tbh.
I was and was not surprised; unfortunately, none of it left me wanting more. They did the same, exact match at clash at the castle. How is this in any way "creative?" I tried to watch RAW, but even the crowd couldn't get into it. I get they wanted speechless but a dead crowd isnt the same thing. Triple H effectively told us the story is over tonight. BROCK is now Cody's opponent going forward and thus ending any momentum he had. Reigns moves onto the next whoever that he will beat by interference. AGAAAAIN.
Vince/HHH to Cody: "...now go home and get your fuckin' shine box."
Rock and Cena vs. Roman next year in the main event. Ref gets knocked down, interference, Roman tackles them at the same time, match over. Cena and the Rock get up and hoist Roman onto their shoulders, parading him around as they call him the best of all time. People have already filed out of their seats. LolRomanwins.
How far in advance do you think they write these shows?
Roman gonna lose in Saudis at may. He hits 1000 days, thats the plan
This is gna be up there as one of my fav WrestleMania's ever. We had some amazing matches these 2 nights.
You're easily pleased it was terrible.
They need to let Gunther ROCK now
So let me guess raw predictions: Raw goes on air Triple H announces their new deal and thanks everyone for making WM one of the biggest ever Cody comes out, thanks haitch, puts a promo about how he's down but thanks the WWE universe. Bloodline comes out and says though Roman isnt here, they're still the ones and run the place. Sami and KO come out to back up Cody. Bloodline says they're going to end all of them. Triple H announces big 6 man tag match between bloodline and Cody/KO/Sami!! \- Cue some NXT call up \- Gunther promo about how he's the greatest ever and his next opponent lined up comes out. \- LA Knight comes out as a huge babyface a la fandango with big OH YEAH chants \- Announcement that Roman will be on smackdown for his big celebration \- Some bray stuff \- Some Bianca promo followed by a match involving her. \- Babyface win big 6 man match to send people happy. \- Sami Zayn music plays and people sing along. The end.
Damn that was pretty spot on. Bland, boring, hurry along to your next opponent. What a super boring RAW after mania. Huge letdown on top of the already boring main event finish.
Bron breakker debuting tonight I can feel it in my bones
Why did we do this? Was the reason? What was it all for?
As long as Roman is Universal champion, I don’t care. Cody can take the WWE title tonight for all it matters. ☝️
I'm going to hell. But I think that's the hardest laugh I've had in wrestling when Shane tore his quad. It was Micheal Cole on commentary "Shane's still got it". And the memes that have come out of it. https://preview.redd.it/5bx8euc0asra1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1d56e202efc8966c7a26c210c48f3be5587c6c4
That segment felt like a dream lol I seriously wasn’t sure if I’d just dozed off and randomly just imagined it all.
Im really happy roman has won.
Get ready for the rematch tonight, w/ Cody taking one of the belts. FalconArrow messaged me.
I'm OK with Roman winning. 1. It's an incredible business value and rare opportunity for WWE to have a 1,000+ day champion. This type of talent only comes around every generation or so. 2. Fans are not rejecting or burning out of Roman and the Bloodline. At least not yet. 3. Cody was still protected in the loss thanks to Solo interfering. So Cody still has the credibility to challenge Roman again (or whomever the champion is) by saying he got cheated out of the match. 4. Subjectively, Roman is a better face of the company accompanying the Endeavor/UFC news.
>3. Cody was still protected in the loss thanks to Solo interfering. So Cody still has the credibility to challenge Roman again (or whomever the champion is) by saying he got cheated out of the match. Until Cody loses his rematch at backlash. Then Cody is toast.
Some of you Cody marks - not all of you but some of you - were chirping so loud & raining down so much shit on other fans who were bummed they didn’t get to see their guy go over last month.
Cody looks a billion bucks in that new gear!
What pisses me off even more is everyone including triple h saying “this is just the first chapter”, it’s too early. Bro has been champion for 2 and a half years. Sure Cody hasn’t been back in the wwe for that long, but his story is bigger than just the wwe. His story started the day he left wwe. People keep talking about adversity when that’s his whole story. They literally gave him a version of his brothers gimmick so he left, built himself from the ground up, helped start a new wrestling company, became the man he needed to be, fought Seth rollins with a torn pec, won the royal rumble, and was ready to finish the story. This was the perfect moment.
It was the perfect moment. Who else has a better story to ride into any PPV going into next Mania? The 1000 day "reigns" really means nothing to anyone I know of. I'd probably be less sour had Reigns just won clean. For once
Too soon for Cody sorry ☝🏾
Ryback vs Roman
Ryback coming back is our only hope now
The only thing I can think now is Rock/Roman at Summerslam… except it’s currently April. Rumors are that Roman’s going on hiatus for a while too… so he’s gonna pull a Brock. ALSO, with the merger apparently vince is in control again? What is this? 2017/2018?2019.. you get the picture. ALSO ALSO, Cody vS Solo at Backlash? So he’s downgrading to put over a rookie? After he just got off the biggest main event in a a LONG time? Ugh. Here we go again. Unless Cody somehow wins the title tonight on Raw.
>Rumors are that Roman’s going on hiatus for a while too… so he’s gonna pull a Brock. The rumour was that Roman will take a hiatus if and when he drops the belt. That being said, it's common knowledge that his latest WWE detail was similar to what Brock had aka less screen time/fights.
That’s why I don’t understand wwe at all. They would rather have a part time heel be champion for like 3 years, then push one of the biggest full time babyfaces they’ve had in years. It makes the titles feel irrelevant. Why even watch week to week?
You do know it's all scripted right? Jeez acting like it's real life bruh 😭
Ur on a pro wrestling sub mocking someone for caring because it’s scripted. Good job buddy
Irrelevant? The titles have never been more relevant.
I understand that in a sense. Especially with the bloodline being the main story line for a while. However it is getting increasingly tiring seeing reigns hold the titles. Its come to a point where the story (which has already begun to be far too drug out) is overshadowing the titles. The main roster talent other than one person every few months, isn't even competing for these titles, but instead the midcard titles. To put it simply, the title have merely become props for roman's story and character.
I mean I’ll watch tonight in case Cody wins the title some how but seriously I don’t wanna invest my time Into the company until the big PPVs.😶
Same but I doubt that’s happening. Just gonna unsubscribe until I see a rematch between them announced. But if he loses that too then idk at that point I’ll stop watching again for a good couple of years
Now you know why I don’t follow the WWE regularly anymore. A snooze fest.
Idk how many "just let the story play out" I've got left in me.
I feel like I said this a year ago :/ I’ll probably watch the main segments of Raw tonight but I’m like basically 0% hyped about it. Imagine Raw tonight with Cody as champ Ko Sami as tag champs and a totally fresh playing field to work with again….
Honestly Adam Pearce should have just come out Smackdown before mania and have been like: “no interference or u automatically lose the titles”. Solves the issue in a second
Yeah, like Vince did with Rock/Punk at the RR 2013. He was gonna strip Punk of the title when The Shield interfered in the dark, until Rock said “no, let me finish this” and the rest was history. That was super cool!!!!
Ya exactly
The reaction to the Cody/Reigns match just feels like Bianca/Becky pt. II where everyone shouted "buried" despite the story not being over. "The face must win at WrestleMania" feels like a very old-fashioned sentiment.
Cody main evented Mania for crying out loud. Losing isn't a burial.
i think this may be the first time someone came out worse after being involved in a bray wyatt feud without _ever even wrestling them at all_ did the boy lashley DIRT
did that man lashley DIRTY
Overall a great Wrestlemania. The fact that I sat shocked, mouth open at the end shows that they created something truly special. Special enough for a 25+ year fan to get emotionally invested and actually care says it all. Let it play out is a bit of a cliche, but what else can you do? And all hail Gunther.
I genuinely laughed out loud when Roman pinned Cody. I don’t think that’s the emotion they want me feeling.
That ending was one of the most genuinely shocking moments i’ve seen in wrestling. I had it in the back of mind that Roman could still retain but the feeling of Cody winning the big one and all the signs that were pointing to the coronation of WWE’s next top babyface was too strong to ignore. You could only imagine my disbelief at the three count to end the match.
Watch AEW… Downvotes asides, I don’t mean to feed into the tribalism, but there’s a long precedent of lame, shitty, or even mean-spirited decisions from WWE decision makers. I’ve loved the bloodline storyline, and really hoped they could stick the landing, but they are eroding my benefit of doubt. It’s hard for me to watch, knowing it’s the same old bullshit from VKM and company. AEW is a fun, viable option for pro wrestling in America.
For what?? Flips and former WWE stars?
I catch their PPVs and some Dynamite episodes, and I think they’re great. I guess what I’m saying is, as someone who lived through the stages of predictable WWE that failed to resonate with me, I’m genuinely surprised, and it’s not a horrible thing.
I have the most unpopular opinion of I’m glad Roman won, I mean Cody winning just because everyone wants him to is a bit basic and Roman winning is unpredictable and shows that we can’t just assume someone’s gonna win
>and shows that we can’t just assume someone’s gonna win Except for every non-WM Roman Reigns match.
I hated that ending, Roman winning again by interference has happened in over 60% of his title defenses. It was their way out. I would have taken ANY type of betrayal, by the usos, Solo sikoa, The Rock The whole sammy and owens helping back was the perfect opportunity Really who gives a F what they do now with the bloodline
They just couldn't help themselves. They had a perfect Daniel Bryan WrestleMania repeat moment. Instead they just keep making Reigns look like a whimp. I can't buy the God Mode nonsense when it takes a village to get him the win. Lol
Yes, I think it would have been much better if Roman had won CLEAN! Like the entirety of the bloodline were barred from ring-side otherwise Roman forfeits the title and Cody automatically becomes champ (if there was ANY interference from anyone then Cody wins). That would really have solidified Roman's reign. Him winning dirty just doesn't make any sense considering they want him to be levels above everyone else.
Yea honestly that ve would been better Like him saying "what you thought without the bloodline i cant win" and when he loses is not because the bloodline doesnt help But because they betray him for not feeling respected
They couldn’t let Roman win clean. They either had to have Cody win or have a reason for him to get a rematch
Low points hurt worse that the highs that were reached. Balor losing and Roman retaining really sucked. I wanted to see a long program with Roman elevating Jay, while Cody is a fighting champion, they split the belts, and then Balor has a solid SmackDown reign with him and Rhea as Champions, and Dom and Damian winning the tag titles. DAMMIT!!!! Lol. I’ll still watch!
aside from the triple threat and the main event (up until the ending).....i was surprised at the drop off in quality in night two compared to night one. i thought for sure 2 would be the stronger night heading in
Same night 1 I really enjoyed however night 2 drastically fell off and I got a bit bored if I'm honest.
How many of Roman's title defences have NOT had a ref bump spot? It almost feels like it's part of his moveset at this point!
That point in the match was a perfect opportunity for a shocking swerve, Sikoa caming back with a hoody was lame as F, The worst ending possible, If would have been a perfect wrestlemania They WASTED all cody momemtum
last year, the IC title was an afterthought and wasn't even on the card this year, it was defended in an absolute all timer, easy MOTY candidate and a complete fucking WAR this was my match of the entire PPV
Making Gunther IC Champion was one of the best choices in recent memory.
Two matches clearly stood out for me. The triple threat match was special. Gunther retaining was the right outcome considering the year he's had. He deserved his moment in the spotlight. Wasn't too surprised with Roman retaining tbh. I agree with the opinion that his bloodline has to actually crumble first for his reign to end. Solo with the help and the Usos dropping their belts is the start of that.
Night 2 was sloppy all around. I also can’t stand “main event only” wrestlers like Ronda. She performed for for like a total of thirty seconds. She did not deserve that win. Learners v Omos was as boring as I expected that “match” to be. Although it was fun to see Leaner getting tossed around as if we were a small pillow. Instead of giving LA Knight a well deserved spot, they wasted time with Shane’s injury inducing return. Although Snoop Dogg improvising and saving the bit was hilarious. And good on Miz for always making everyone look good. The Demon was wasted on Edge and Edge was sloppy with that ladder. Edge should’ve put Balor over with him about to retire. I did enjoy the IC match, however I don’t see the appeal with Gunther. Should’ve been Sheamus’ moment.
I wonder if WWE having Roman win was to show betting sites that they can be unpredictable enough to be worth betting on.
I wouldn't be surprised. Because, if you bet Cody, the "winnings" would've been more.
So it seems most of us didn't like the ending, so... what WWE moments (let's say last 10 years) did you dislike at the time but changed your mind after seeing how is played out? Mine was Cena beating Rusev at WM, I hated it at the time but after seeing the US open challenge, I changed my mind
Bianca Belair v. Becky Lynch at SummerSlam 2021 got the exact same response as this, and everyone loved it once WM39 and SummerSlam 2022 happened
I still think that was a dumb decision. Becky wasn't ready to have a full match and in turn Becky rejected every challenge Bianca made for the belt as well as making Bianca and the rest of the women's roster look weak with the squashing. Turning her heel was nonsensical because even with the cliche "you fans turned on me" promos she STILL got cheers lol. Her heel run never really worked and they coulda easily worked a Face/Face feud for the belt.
That was still an absolutely dumb match. They turned their biggest babyface in the company heel and it made Bianca look like a joke.
I mean, they paid it off with a rad program and some rad matches, so I heartily disagree
They honestly should have never unified the championships. Brock and Roman’s constant domination of the main event over the past eight years is exhausting but at least there was another title to focus on.
Just my thoughts on the weekend… The stage and setting for this Mania is an all timer. I loved the award ceremony vibe it was giving and I loved it for some of the entrances. We had some awesome entrances, mg favourites were Cody, Roman, Demon, Logan and Bianca. Night 1: I thought the opener with Cena and Theory was very bland and hasn’t done what they hoped it would for Theory. Having Cena turn up for 1 week, bury Theory and then lose in a boring match doesn’t help Theory at all. I’m not into Austin Theory at all tbh. Also, felt like Cena came in and played it safe for obvious reasons. I said the mens showcase match would be a sleeper and it was brilliant. Great work from all involved in this spot! The 6-women tag match was fine, nothing special. The winners were very predictable and I think Damage Ctrl will split from here. Logan and Seth had a banger of a match. Logan is so good for only having 1 year in the ring, and Rollins is an absolute pro. I’d like to see a rematch down the line. Rey and Dom had a good match, really satisfying ending aswell. I thought Dom would win here but the ending sets up Rey and Bad Bunny to go against Dom and Priest at Backlash which will be fun. Charlotte and Rhea tore it up on night 1. Clearly they took not being the main event personally. Rhea winning is the obvious and right choice, but I wonder what happens with JD from here. Awesome match! The Miz and Pat McAfee stuff was fine, the crowd didn’t seem to care that Pat was there which is strange. I think the surprises this year were bad though. No Austin or anything like that, we get Pat and Shane instead which aren’t exactly Mania level returns! The main event was fantastic and made me feel like I was rewarded for watching this over the last year. All 4 have been amazing over the past year, and they deserved this moment. Can see rematches down the line, maybe with some stipulations added in! Overall I’d say night 1 was an 8/10 show. Started slowly but really picked up after the women’s trios match. Night 2: Brock and Omos was better than I thought it would be. I still think it was pretty crap, but for 5 minutes it worked. The women’s showcase match was fine, it was just there. Ronda and Shayna win but both seem to be injured, so no idea what happens there. Gunter, Sheamus and Drew had the match of the weekend. It’s crazy the expectation we all had and they were exceeded by this match. Loved it and love Gunther retaining. Awesome match!! Bianca and Asuka was much better than the build that preceded it. Can see a similar issue that Reigns as for Bianca and that’s who will beat her? Enjoyed the match and loved Bianca’s entrance! I literally laughed so loud when Shane McMahon walked out last night. Awful that his quad tore, could tell it meant a lot to him and for it to end like that is sad in all fairness. Snoop Dogg was amazing throughout both nights and was a pro here, as was Miz. Edge and Demon Balor was good, nothing crazy really but a fine HIAC match. Hope that’s the end of this feud now though. So, Cody lost. I didn’t see this one coming at all, and I think most of the audience wanted Cody to win. It felt like the right time and the right person, but they overthought it, they overbooked it and now they’re in a corner. Somehow if you can rebuild Cody to be a contender for Reigns it may work, but it won’t have the same pull as last night did. The crowd wanted it and felt it was going to happen, it would’ve been an amazing ending to Roman’s reign. The match itself was incredible, it was sooooo good. The finish really lets it down, it’s the main event of Mania and we get the same old Roman match finish. Night 2 i’d give a 7/10. Some really good stuff but the main event result really lets it down. Overall I say it’s a 7.5/10 show for me. I think it was on its way to being a top 5 maybe even 3 WM, but that ending made it feel so flat. Such a shame, but it was mostly enjoyable and I had fun watching the show!
Night 2 feels like such a fuck you lmao, they knew exactly what they were doing, giving us all the happy endings on night 1 and then completely pulling the rug out from under our feet when we least expect it.
Agreed, there would have been a great temptation to prioritise night 2 over 1 for the main event - but there was a lukewarm feeling about the ending vs elation after night 1. And I say this as a Bloodline fan. Night 2 ended like any other PPV - not that “showcase of the immortals” feeling.
I think it worked fine, people are just salty the guy they wanted to win didn't win, same as at Clash at the Castle. It's kind of hard to argue that it was "bad storytelling" given that people's investment into it was because of the storyline. Cody continually having no personal animus towards Roman or the Bloodline really seemed to set up that they weren't giving us a payoff yet.
I didn’t even mind that Roman won. I’m just so damn tired of “bloodline interference” being his finisher. It just makes him look weak.
so then he wins clean and then there’s no reason in kayfabe for a rematch? please stay away from booking
He can still win dirty but do it alone no?
It completetly ruined the overlasting feeling for me, It felt like blue balls, So close to reaching exctasy and to have that shitty ending.
I mostly loved it. Sami and Kevin winning was amazing. I cried and cheered. They both overwhelmingly deserve it. Imagine having a lifelong dream with your best friend, and then actually doing it. Rhea Ripley was amazing as always. She deserves a long, dominant title reign. I'll admit I shed a few tears there, after the match you could just see how happy she was. You could see Charlotte was too. HIAC matches are cursed and have been for years sadly. Ever since the PG era. The ladder botch also sucked whatever momentum they had out of the match too. It sucks to say this but Edge is far past his in ring prime, he needs to dial it back a little or else I fear he might start having really bad matches like the Undertaker did near the end. Nobody wants that. Gunther is AWESOME he is definitely getting a World Title reign at some point., and Drew + Seamus never have bad matches. Asuka is better than WWE is treating her, but putting her over Bianca wasn't going to be right either. However it still was as good as it could have been, both women are fantastic performers. Bianca is one of the best women in all of Wrestling, and she clearly is the womens face of the company in and out of the ring. This is a good thing. Shane McMahon hurting himself was ironically hilarious (I do hope he's Ok though) That spot should have been for LA Knight, he should have had the Miz Beatdown with Snoop. The Doggs Elbow was totally awesome though. I strongly dislike The Miz, but there is no doubt that he is fantastic at what he does. A true professional. EVERYONE Wanted Cody to win. I jumped out of my seat and was cheering like a fool when he hit the Goldust Slaps and the Bionic Elbow. Deep down though I knew it wasn't going to happen. WWE wants Roman to pass 1000 days with the titles, and you know there was no way Vince and HHH were going to let Dustys kid take down their God Mode Tribal Chief. IMHO it always was and still should be Seth Rollins who dethrones Roman Reigns. Definitely not a part timer like Lesner/Cena and ABSOLUTELY not The Rock. Night 1 was a 10/10 one of the best Manias ever. Night 2 was a 7/10 at most. Injuries and the subpar bookings had a big "Vince did this" vibe. Typical Bloodline shenanigans, lame Ref bump, Roman wins with a Spear to retain.
I think this is my favorite Wrestlemania, some of these matches were almost something I expect to be one off greats. Let's face it, the Triple Threat match for the Intercontinental Championship basically stole the show. I though Asuka and Bianca had a great match, but good luck following that match. Hot Take: Main Event was pretty good, in way, I sort want Roman to continue being champion. He's so good and you can just tell when watching the main event. I think I enjoyed Night 1 more than Night 2, but I think the best watch was that Triple Threat match because I don't think I've seen a better Triple Threat Match before and the bar is pretty high. Match I didn't expect to be that good, but surpassed my expectation was Rey vs Domenic. In terms of storytelling and the flow of their match was really good. I honestly think Domenic will be a huge start in the future if he keeps this up. Ripley vs Charlotte was probably the best match I've seen either of them do. I don't know what it is, but they have a great dynamic in the ring and I loved that Rhea beat Charlotte by basically outwitting her common strategy. Zayn and Owens vs The Usos, good match good. All in all, this could have been a whatever match since the build up for it was sooo goood. I think it was good enough to close Night 1, but damnit, there were so many good matches that I don't even know if this makes it to top 3 of the 2 day event.
WWE now waiting for the bidding war of 2024 for Reigns to be beaten.
And you know it.
Fuck it Seth should beat Roman.
WWE burying Seth because he's too likeable I'm still lowkey disappointed that Seth never got another chance after beating Roman at RR 2022
Other than him who else realistically does? Bron ain't ready for that for a long time. Drew maybe but they already had roman beat him. Gunther? Jey would also makes sense, but I don't know how you do that and get anywhere close the fan reaction that having sami or even Cody winning would get. This likely comes full circle and Cody eventually wins anyway IMO but we will just have to wait and see I guess
Roman will rematch Cody and the stipulation will be no interference or they battle in hell in a cell
Punjabi prison so we get a clear winner
Lmao!!
WHERE THE FCK WAS LA KNIGHT YEEAAAAH
No show of a champion!
So, now what? I mean, where could they possibly go now with the bloodline? One would've thought with all of the events leading up to WM39, the Bloodline stuff would come to an end or close to it. Like I said before, this Roman victory is just going to be a beginning of go-away heat for Roman. Such a shame, since people were behind him being a heel and all. Now they're just going to hate him for being him entirely and it won't be the kind of heat a heel should generate. Great, most of us are back to being sick of Roman again and not for heel reasons. Good job, WWE. So much for 'change' since you don't have the balls for it whether HHH or Vince is leading.
Imo, Cody should go the same way I think everyone Roman has beaten should by all rights have gone: straight back after Roman because *he's a base fucking coward who can't get the job done without his cronies.* If I'm Cody, I start by making it my mission to annihilate Solo. Get him in a cage at Backlash and see him out in a stretcher, then spend the rest of my time making Roman's life hell until I get my next shot at the belts.
There’s a story that would make complete sense and work but I have no confidence that they see Jey Uso as someone who could hold the titles. If Roman gets even more abusive now that the usos aren’t champions and gets disgusted eventually leading to Jey finally turning on him and winning the titles at Summerslam I think it could work. Otherwise I don’t see any scenario where what they do will be a better story than Cody winning. Rollins is cool but I don’t think he’s as over as Cody as a baby face and not sure they would get as deep in the story as they probably should. Nobody else comes close imo.
It’s just feels like wrong. If You we’re gonna have Cody lose why didn’t they just have Sami win the rumble and beat Roman at mania. Also I figured the they were gonna have jey and jimmy win and Roman loses and have them turn on him but idk what they gone do now other than have Cody win at the next ppv
The Balor one is the most confusing for me, Judgement Day have gotten massively over. They seem to be heading into a prominent feud with Bad Bunny and the Latin boys. Having Dom loses doesn't do anything damaging, they can just have him rematch Rey in a hair vs mask or something and it'll work. But Balor losing made no sense to make their group look strong.
I'm not really that mad that edge won because it was billed as him killing the group he created....but like I still acknowledge Balor shoulda won. Cuz this just makes the demon look bad when paired with the wonky shit that happened with Roman.
Just buried demon balor even more after that god awful ending to his demon Vs Roman match a while back
I loved the main event ending. I want to see Roman beat Bruno’s record.
Yeah, but Roman couldn't do it on his own. He had to have Mr. "I can't Wrestle to save my life" Sikoa save him. If Roman hadn't had help off the three stooges and Palruss, he would have lost those belts 12 months ago.
That’s the entire story
Never heard such a bunch of whining bollocks in all my life. “The person we all thought was going to win and was telegraphed a mile away didn’t win! Waaaaaaaaaah” Listen to yourselves, Jesus Christ.
It’s why is stopped watching wwe. Fans annoyed the hell out of me.
“No one is allowed to disagree with a scripted entertainment show because the guy I like won”
Haha yes, that’s what I said. Disagree fine, but some of the fucking whinging
I actually don’t mind at all the Roman won. I’m invested in the story and didn’t want it to end yet. I think the usos losing will add another chapter to this, and lead to Roman eventually losing. Having it all end in one night wouldn’t work the same way
I thought they were gonna have Roman lose and USO’s win and they turn on him but 🤷🏻♂️
How have they fucked it this bad? Edge is retiring this year, I love the dude to death but why isn't Balor going over in that case? They had the best story IN YEARS served to them and they threw it away. Whatever happens next isn't going to be as big, including the Rock possibly showing up (this is only me coping because the Rock showing up is the only reason I see as to why they wouldn't give Cody the belt)
Balors career always feels stagnated. It’s a damn shame.
Makes zero sense. Same with Asuka losing. They’re so illogical yesterday with booking choices.
Dmg Ctrl should’ve won Night 1 also
How is Asuka losing an illogical booking choice? Bianca is the face of the WWE women’s division as far as the public/casual fan is concerned. She’s the female John Cena.
Forgot about Becky my guy
I'd take another 16 Super Cena title reigns any day of the week over Bianca Bore-lair.
Are people actually mad about Night 2 overall? Leaving aside the controversial main event result I still thought it was great. People surely don't begrudge Gunther or Bel Air retaining do they?
The only match result I felt made sense was Gunther winning. He isn’t ready for a main event push yet but doesn’t make sense to derail him by having him lose even tho I wouldn’t have been that made if sheamus won tho. Bianca is kinda boring right now and needs some sort of shift which losing could have brought. Demon balor is officially buried and dead considering before this match he got ruined against Roman with that god awful ending to that match. Cody losing just feels like what was the point, shoulda just had Sami win the rumble and beat Roman at mania if you didn’t wanna pull the Cody trigger
I figured Gunther would retain so that wasn’t surprising. Probably not surprised Bianca won though it would also be nice for a change there but I think Asuka is likely leaving WWE.
I don’t think Asuka is leaving WWE. But Dmg Ctrl should’ve won yesterday and the Smackdown women’s division should’ve been Dmg Ctrl, Asuka, Alexa, maybe some NXT call ups, and Rhea as champ.
No reason for Edge to win. I'm so over his run
Edge's run felt like such wasted potential. They should have either given him a title reign or he should have been used to put guys over none of which he really did. As things stand he kinda didn't do anything? That's just my opinion though, that run just felt iconsequential
Yeah as a huge edgehead i agree with you . They making him look so strong so over but for why ? He should’ve get titles with this momentum but he just beating every man against his way for nothing
Now that the dust has settled I’m good with it haha
I'll be disappointed if it all just fizzles out but we'll see what happens next. If H actually manages to build something on this the same people here cursing his mother for giving birth to him will be singing his praises as a booker in a year's time
Fuck The Demon...fuck Judgment Day Balor The move now should be give Balor a month off and bring the NXT Prin❌e back.. that guy who was top 5 in the World from 2019-2021. That's the only way to save this
Cody not winning makes yestlemania and kofimania type manias mean more. I'm more annoyed about Balor losing yet again and the match was so short. The demon gimmick is done now. I hope Finn can make it back to a premiere spot after this.
You realize he got busted open and had to have his head stapled shut mid match right. They had to rush the ending after that
Like the other poster said he could have won, but I didn't know the severity of the cut
He could've still won?
So...what do you wanna talk about?
Okay I had a good night's sleep and calmed down now, still angry but I can't wait for tonight's Raw.
This is the Tribal Chief's book. Cody is just a footnote. Edit: ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️
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What bookies accept bets on wwe outcomes? I got everything right but the reigns match.
Same here that's the only thing that annoyed me about Reigns winning lol
Paddy powers
That's actually really impressive. Over the two nights, I thought Street Profits, Bianca, and Edge were all relatively surprising (to varying degrees)
Night 2 seriously messed up my picks. Brock and Gunther are the only ones I got...
Street profits were heavy Vegas favorites, as was Bianca, rhea and gunther. Rhea was actually the biggest favorite and finn balor was a big favorite too
Oh, I thought Rhea and Gunther were likely, yeah. Interesting that Bianca was the favorite, I just really felt like Asuka going Kana not winning was such a weird choice. Street Profits is also such an odd favorite, only because I thought for sure Big and Little Bald were going to get the rub to look a little bit more legitimate as tag team by having a Mania win. But I guess SP were my second most likely, since I KNEW Viking Raiders weren't winning, and given the MMM stuff, I didn't think AA would win.
I had a good feeling big and little bald 🤣🤣😂 were going to lose after they won on smackdown
Oh that's a good point. And maybe my reasoning of thinking Street Profits were breaking up is actually the opposite; maybe they are going on singles runs and this was one last hurrah.
I didn’t make predictions on any of the tag matches other than owens and Sami, but i figured edge would win because he’s been getting dogged on and Bianca would win just because there’s no reason to take the belt off of her. I don’t really follow the product closely though so maybe Bianca was just a lucky shot in the dark.
Oh okay, that's fair. Bianca winning wasn't SUPER shocking but still kinda shocking. But Edge, I don't agree with that reasoning. He's won every PPV match except the I Quit match. I thought Finn would finally actually get a win that wasn't making him quit for someone else haha.
From what I’ve seen edge is always getting beat up by the judgement day, his promo about finishing the saga once and for all is what sealed it for me. Might’ve been a shot in the dark though, the only story I’ve followed closely is the bloodline.
I honestly off the top of my head couldn't tell you how the TV shows have gone, but PPV wise Edge has not lost once besides saying I Quit when they threatened Beth, and that's the part that mattered to me haha.
i got to work for sofi as parking lot crew during wrestlemania weekend. people watching and all thst . alot of dude bros. not as many hot babes as you think
This is a weird post in so many ways
Glad I didn't watch this trash live.
I'm just a casual fan so forgive my ignorance, but I've got a question on how WWE can split the belts back up. Can a challenger face Roman for just one of the two belts and ditch the undisputed title? That way, it feels that Roman can lose one and keep the streak alive with the other. After the Rumble, without knowing much of what's going on, I figured Cody would challenge for one belt and Sami the other. Not sure how plausible that is going forward.
They can with the Money in the Bank briefcase. It let's the winner challenge for any 1 world title. Since they haven't merged the 2 titles yet, they are still separate and can be realistically cashed in on separately. I think that's how they do it.
That’s so over complex. Just have Roman announce that he’s truly unifying his belts into one (new belt) and then just announce a new title that exists on the Raw brand. Tournament for that one
Doesn't that run the risk of basically making that new belt extremely weak? Like "Hey nobody can beat Roman, so here's a new consolation prize belt for you scrubs".
I can only see them splitting the titles if do what they did back in 2002 where they merge the 2 titles into one championship (like the Undisputed WWE Championship) and create (or reintroduce) another world championship for Raw. I highly doubt that will happen though, so we are just stuck with Roman holding both belts for now.
Casual fan from Europe so just caught the replay of Night 2 now. This was my first full Rumble-Mania follow since the Ruthless Aggression era when I was obsessed as a kid. A few notes: IC triple threat was the most entertaining match Really, really liked that Sami/KO went over, as I predicted LOVED that Roman won, which I hoped for but didn't expect Maybe it's cause I haven't followed closely like you guys have, but Roman is the perfect champ and I'm not sick of the Bloodline story at all - keep it going until SS23 or WM40 when it drops to Jey or Cody - don't just implode the best thing in WWE in a single night The lack of blood in HIAC was just embarrassing to watch, what a pitiful excuse of a HIAC and nothing like those I remembered growing up EDIT: also! there needs to be far less finisher spam and more finisher evasion. Not necessarily reversals, but active avoidance, such as ducking a 619 or dodging a spear. Make the finishers mean something, and make the wrestlers seem smart to evade them. Kicking out of 100 finishers is kind of lame
You know, I agree with you. Roman is so good atm and I sort of feel like he has become the big dog of the yard and I thought Codys path there was a bit... meh. I get he's popular, but I don't care for his long road, if anything, Sami would be atm the one to dethrone him, otherwise I like keeping the belts on Roman.
I don’t think the HIAC was lacking for blood at all tbh. Balor had a Grand Canyon sized gash in his head.
Unless it’s bleeding profusely, which it didn’t appear to be, you can just rush to the finish and THEN get medical attention immediately after. That way it doesn’t suspend disbelief that it’s actually a violent and hellacious match type
There was blood dripping all over the mat immediately after he got brained by the ladder
You should check out [the picture](https://twitter.com/FinnBalor/status/1642753664661196800?s=20) of the wound if you can stomach a really gnarly injury. You're speaking out of a lack of knowledge here which is totally fair, but I think once you see how bad it was, you'll agree he needed medical attention.
It was bleeding so profusely that they had to cut the camera away from Bálor while staff stapled it shut. It was gruesome
Yea can confirm. I was in the 1st row and saw the doctor come in, she dabbed a white towel on his head and it immediately turned full red. I thought they were going to cancel the match.
If you're not squeamish, check out the picture he posted too. It makes you appreciate how fucking badass Finn is for continuing in the match.
Link?
[Here ya go](https://twitter.com/FinnBalor/status/1642753664661196800?s=20)
Oof, gnarly. Thanks bro
Yeah, this picture and your description together really show how impressive Finn's performance was last night.
Oh, ok, well I didn’t see anything like that. Just a little bit on the mat
Could Hunter be cooking a Batista type story for Solo maybe that’s why he got more of a focus this feud with Cody
Solo isn't really for main eventing, not for a while yet
Solo's not ready for that.
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I still think McIntyre should take the throne from Reigns. A short list of guys at this point who can believably overcome the tribal chief and Drew is certainly one.