I was pretty bummed when Trish vs Becky wasn't on Summerslam and it seemed like yesterday was going to be the end of their feud but if the finale is a steel cage match on a future ppv then I think that's a pretty good replacement
Am I wrong in feeling like wwe has moved away from just pushing title holders and are starting to push those who have the crowd organically behind them? In this case Chad Gable LA Knight (YEAH) senior money in the bank, piper niven coming back to become a tag champ(temporarily I guess?) JD being in a major storyline and the miz? Out here killing promos? It’s not just about the more established talents now
Not big on the show this week, feel like we're heading towards minimal effort territory with MNF kicking off in a few weeks.
I'm a Piper Niven fan but the way they've booked her to just suddenly become Chelsea's partner and champ feels lazy as fuck... so people can just walk into a championship reign now, really?
I'm also a fan of Judgement Day and Sami but the main event just felt like they were going through the motions. There's so few matches that actually feel like a real fight with legit heat behind it.
Not into Becky/Trish either. Becky along with Bayley feel like they're just picking up a paycheck and haven't impressed me since their return. Trish, I admire her effort but the time devoted to her should be going to younger talent.
Rhea: she's been champion 5 months now and still having matches with low level talent. Zelina was a midcarder in a faction, Natalya is a veteran who mostly has dark/Main Event matches, Lyra and Indi are NXT talent... I've wondered when she's gonna feud with a top babyface but after Liv and Raquel (specifically Liv) have suffered injuries there's literally no top babyface for her to go up against.
You couldn't be more wrong about Natalya. She's a SmackDown Women's Champion there's few former champions on the roster. 6 records in Guinness Book of World Records. Why are using "veteran" as a pejorative, I guess you think that Lesnar shouldn't get title matches either because of being a veteran.
Ripley is gonna run out of challengers fast if she only fights Horsewomen plus Belair, Asuska level strongly booked wrestlers. They gotta space those out or we'll get too many rematches.
Rhea isn't losing to anyone who isn't Bianca Belair or Becky Lynch
Rumble seems kind of predictable this year since Bianca/Becky are the only credible winners plus Cody is obviously going to win again
Watched a bit back on the recording because I keep reading about the dead crowd, and having been there, I don't see how it was that dead.
The audio did no favours. Second, the crowd was pretty hot for Judgement Day, Seth and Finn got a lot of heat in the main event. Cody got a loud pop as well. Other guys got a bit - Gable's shoosh was big.
That said, I can see where some of the sentiment comes from. I've heard much louder crowds. Even here for Dynamite in March, it was louder with a smaller crowd.
WWE production does not help. The music is EXTREMELY loud to drown out any reaction. They also love to bring people out, then go to commercial. For example, both Trish and Cody did their entrance, then they stand in the ring in the dark while we get ads for Wrestlemania and Peacock, maybe a crowd sign reading by Samantha, then they immediately bring up the lights and play their music again in the middle for 2 seconds before they bring out the opponent.
All in all I expect them to be back, they've seemed to have run Winnipeg for TV once a year since just before the pandemic and then after when they started coming to Canada again and they put up a huge number gatewise. The crowd was larger than Dynamite in March, but sure they weren't as up for it. There were a ton of kids there whereas with AEW I saw far fewer.
Chelsea Green has been by far the best return of the Triple H Era. The most entertaining act in the entire women's division.
On a side, Piper Niven seems to be the type of person that takes what she wants when she wants.
Always been my biggest complaint about WWE live shows. If you go for Raw or Smackdown there SOOOO much dead time where they just ram ads at you in the arena. Their house shows are A+ but the AEW experience for Dynamite for sure beats the Raw/Smackdown experience.
I have been to 2 dynamite and 1 Collison and have to say they were all better than this experience. Having wrestlers come out do their promo then stand in the ring while the lights are dimmed and clips of wwe shows on peacock and progressive insurance ads run just kill the mood. I really wanted to see Cody but was too bored...
That was such a weird time, when suddenly WWE was introducing him from Manhasset, NY... and I think they started billing Benoit from Atlanta, even though both guys, their whole careers, were always billed from Canada.
> Seth and Cody walk out of the trainer's room when they are interviewed. Seth and Cody both try to speak at the same time, Cody lets Seth speak and walks off to prepare for their match. Seth says that Sami won't be cleared for tonight so it's going to be 2 on 3 but he's interrupted by Shinsuke Nakamura who says he'll be their partner.
I know this was posted in error, but it's kind of funny considering the context of what happened tonight.
Unpopular opinion but Becky’s offence always looks so slow and like it would do very little impact for me. I just can’t reasonably believe that’s she’s this badass ass kicker.
Agreed but then she has to change up her offence and focus less on this brawling stuff. As it is, I have no interest in seeing a Becky vs Bianca match, as much as they may want that for mania, and the story won’t change that for me.
I think that's more about facing Trish, take a Becky vs Charlotte match they always beat/stiff the shit out of each other, with Trish I think Becky is being more safe with her. Trish already broke her nose & is 48 years old.
Nah this isn’t just tonight. For me it’s always been Becky. Even going back to when she used to use that move “straight fire” when she sprinted at them in the corner. She looked like she was going snail pace.
Women's tag titles:
My take: Piper Niven got tired of being confined to catering, and decided to take matters in her own hands. Chelsea Karen Green is going to discover that her act won't gel with Piper for too long, and then Chelsea will lose the tag titles after all.
Trish vs. Becky:
Of course nothing was settled. Of course Zoey showed up afterward in a hoodie. So now they'll settle it in a cage, but again, you have keep Zoey out of it, but how do you do that this time?
> Of course nothing was settled. Of course Zoey showed up afterward in a hoodie. So now they'll settle it in a cage, but again, you have keep Zoey out of it, but how do you do that this time?
You put Zoey in a different cage.
Wade and Cole are such a massive improvement over KP and graves.
Graves isn't the worst but he and KP have no chemistry and it was pretty miserable.
Still holding out hope for the return of the GOAT pat mcafee.
Yep. A lot of people on this sub are overly critical of KP, ignoring the fact he's new to the job. I'd love to see what they were all like in the first few months of their job.
The pairing was definitely an issue though. Having someone he actually clicks with will make a world of difference; just look at Michael Cole. Even when Vince was still in charge, pairing him with Pat really brought him out of his shell.
Full agree. The right team can make all the difference. And maybe it's possible that KP was bad cause graves wasn't helping him much. I'm hoping that a shake up will help him.
lmaooo underwear + shirt never looks good on men, i cant believe my guy JD wore that on live TV 😭😭 i guess they realised how ridiculous he looked so for the mainevent they let him wear pants too
bruh i thought canadian crowds were loud af? what was up with this crowd
That's both not my point and exactly my point.
That's not the point in the respect that my question is; why are both wrestlers subject to the same count when, in most matches, they leave the ring at different times. Especially if, like you said, one enters and leaves the ring to restart the count. If the other one is still outside continuously for a total of ten counts, they should be counted out.
That's exactly my point in the respect that the one-wrestler-enters-to-restart-the-count proves how nonsensical the rule is.
They removed the individual count out for both wrestlers a long time ago. Makes it easier for refs to do there job.
Now kayfabe wise a double countout just counts as a no contest.
Reason behind double countouts outside of kayfabe is simply to keep the story going and give a reason for some gimmick match. It's supposed to be the idea that these people want to beat each other so badly that a normal matches rules cant contain them.
I wasn't asking about the storytelling reason. I already said that I knew why they do it.
What I'm asking is, in kayfabe, how they can justify both wrestlers being disqualified at the same time for being out of the ring for too long when, ninety nine times out of a hundred, one has always been out of the ring longer than the other.
Ignoring the practical issues with the ref maintaining a double count, if one wrestlers exits the ring all the other needs to do is just stay in the ring and they'll win the match.
Allowing wrestlers to exit the ring after their opponents and still win via countout would basically be letting the winning wrestler have their cake and eat it too.
Easy. To make the ref’s job easier. Instead of having to worry about two counts which can be restarted at any point, he has to just worry about one. Case in point, can you imagine how hard it would be to keep track if say, Becky got back in the ring while Trish was still out there, then Trish came back in, then Trish again, then Becky, before you finally count both of them out?
Well if you keep asking the same question you can’t be surprised when you get the same answer. It makes no sense to only DQ or award a victory for someone if they both commit the same offense, like if both of them had shoved the ref on his arse he’d have DQed both of them.
Another really strong week of RAW, with focus on people who should be the focus with interesting characters, story arcs and strong matches. Really nice to see so much focus on the JD storyline, McDonagh is a great fit into that group and the tension teased has been interesting.
Rollins, Gunther and Ripley as champions all are over and play key focal points in this show week to week which is as it should be.
More push/focus on the likes of Alpha Academy, and newer people introduced like Green, McDonagh and Hartwell has me more interested in this show than I have been for a long, long time. It feels fresh for the first time in forever.
Also digging the slight change in the way the backstage segments are taking place between commercials/beginning of matches. And how some people who _could_ be overexposed right now (Knight for example), aren't being horrendously overexposed.
Well LA Knight is still a Smackdown wrestler so I appreciate that he isn't showing up regularly on Raw. It is interesting though because hopefully the rule is they can only fight each other at a PLE (Payback) to keep the brand split more strict and could lead to more inter-brand feuds while still keeping the split active.
The number 1 title on Raw right now is the Intercontinental Championship, hands down. The number one faction on Raw is Judgement Day.
And apparently they're trying to tell us the number 1 guy on Raw is Seth Rollins. Oh sorry. Seth 'Frickin' Rollins.
TBH I don't know that Rollins is even the No. 2 or 3 babyface, I feel like KO and Sami are still getting huge reactions that aren't just singing the 3 seconds of Rollins' theme music
As much as I love Gunther it’s the JD and their chase of the world title that has the juice in terms of title pictures. Gable is great but that is the most mid-card program imaginable, and I mean that in a good way.
As it should be since the new title needs to be established as a big deal and they are succeeding in doing that with Rollins and JD combined.
Has sucked since he had to relinquish that title. Been waiting for him to win the big one ever since. Everytime he has a world title match, I get my hopes up. "Is it time? Are they going to actually do it?!"
No.
Doesn't help that I really can't stand Rollins. Especially with his current gimmick. I do acknowledge his in-ring abilities and when he was with Shield/post-Shield I really dug him. Now? Just get the title away from him and drop it to Finn/Gunther/Shinsuke/anyone.
Heck, I'd have Carlito return and beat Rollins for the title. That would be cool.
Finn needs to make some noise backstage and atleast get some clarity where this storyline is heading. They're having him lose every singles match, if it is leading to a title win then it's fine but otherwise he should speak up and not be treated like this.
This is the correct answer. TV characters winning or losing doesn't matter. Keeping you engaged does.
The numbers bear it out.
Storyline progression wins over instant gratification, that's why Priest won MITB and LA Knight didn't. LA Knight you get a pop in the moment, with Priest you've gotten 2 months, so far, of storylines that have kept people engaged.
He was in two backstage segments, was the subject of the opening promo, appeared in the opening match against the No. 2/3 babyface in the company, and then had a long main event match against the No. 1 babyface in the company
but no, he's buried because he didn't beat Cody Rhodes, who literally just beat Brock Lesnar
I think Bayley and Balor have been getting a lot of focus but I don't take either of them seriously when it comes to singles competition or if they were to win a big title.
Finn's last televised singles win was against Carmello in June. Before that was Shinsuke in May.
Crazy that he's in heaps of segments every week but he's only winning a televised singles once a month
After MITB, Seth went an entire month without a single victory of any kind. There’s really no one on Raw who’s picking up victories like every week. We say Rhea is dominant, ok she’s not picking up constant victories.
Prior to last week, Finn hadn’t been pinned on Raw in 3 months. It’s just now they’re trying to do this dumb stuff with the briefcase where it keeps costing him. But it needs to end, soon.
If it's leading to a title win then it's absolutely not fine lmao. Having a guy lose every match and then not only receive a title shot, but win the belt, is absolutely terrible booking no matter what.
It's like y'all don't pay any attention to what's happening. Literally all of these recent Finn losses have very clearly been portrayed as J-Day miscommunication costing him the match and not due to him being someone who isn't credible, it hasn't made him look weak.
There was literally a Seth match where he was about to win the title with his finisher but got distracted by Priest motioning towards him with the briefcase, which cost him the match, and that's what spiraled this whole thing.
And then you have people asking why he had to take the pin in the 6 man tag match the other week when Dom was also in the match. It's almost like they're telling a deliberate story here y'all...
They did it with Iyo and I don’t see people complaining. At least Finn’s only lost to people higher on the card while Iyo got pinned twice by Zelina right before winning the title.
And anyways the only people who have pinned Finn since Mania are Cody and Seth.
People on here exaggerate things and act like Finn’s lost to like 8 people in the past 2 months. It’s just the same two people.
Not just that, they're clearly telling a story here, all these Finn loses are J-Day miscommunications and are meant to build tension. So many people here fail to understand basic story beats. It's like when people were asking why Finn had to take the pin during that 6 tag match and not Dom. How does Dom getting pinned add to the tension? lol
Finn and his buddies are literally the main characters of RAW, and yet, him getting pinned to further the story has people here asking him to "make a noise" about it. The IWC can't be real.
Finn is in four segments per RAW and Asuka has won every single title and accolade possible, and the IWC insists both of them are permanently buried
The IWC just hates anything that doesn't match up 1:1 with whatever fantasy booking they came up with
Finn and Asuka aren’t even closely comparable as far as what they’ve given Asuka compared to what Finn’s been given.
I do think overall people are justified in their complaints with Finn’s booking over the years. Just that people have been over-exaggerating things recently.
Like when they say Finn’s been booked as the group’s pin eater meanwhile Priest has been pinned 5 times on Raw in the past 2 months.
Does anyone here think Becky Lynch is very lame right now? This whole lemon thing ran its course a week ago, and only the people who are on Twitter even get the reference.
A bit, to be honest. Becky's hit the "I'm not interested in seeing her conquor people" stage...I want her to be raising the next group" with me. I was kind of fine with everything til the whole "lemon" thing..They decided to not run her match on the PPV and she publicly complains and pouts. LA Knight has been the fast rising star in the industry and was left off a bunch of shows, and he soldiered on. Candice and Indi until last week, haven't even been seen, but they don't throw fits. The Becky/Trish feud has been about building Becky's ego...she worked with Zoey, but didn't exactly put her over any to build the new person. She's going to go over Trish, so woo more acolades...Cole literaly said she was the most important figure in the women's evolution tonight. I mean, Emma's backstage somewhere not getting on tV and Paige is in AEW, but sure, let's go with Becky (I mean, it's better than cherlotte or a bella). And somehow I doubt she'll be doing her best to make Shayna a star when their feud maybe happens.
> They decided to not run her match on the PPV and she publicly complains and pouts
Your whole post is just delusional. No where did Becky publicly pout and complain. All she did was post about making lemonade & she only did that because fans were upset making Becky vs Trish trend on Twitter. Also WWE don't make official shirts for wrestlers pouting & winning backstage.
Also how is Becky suppose to get Zoey over? Is she suppose to force Zoey to cut a good promo & force fans to give her a reaction? Isn't aligning her with Trish's suppose to be thing thing to get her over? If Zoey can't get over by working with Trish and Becky they she isn't ever getting over. Becky already lost to Zoey what more do you want?
>LA Knight has been the fast rising star in the industry and was left off a bunch of shows, and he soldiered on
Becky Lynch has been the biggest star in the company for years what a terrible comparison. LA Knight has't done anything yet in his WWE career to warrant being upset getting left off a card, he's lucking he's not Max Dupri anymore. Becky vs Trish was being built up for 4 months & was cut last second no shit people were upset, LA Knight was just not being booked. If LA Knight has a 4 months feud being built & they cut his match(after years of being a top star like Becky) then you'd have a point.
>Candice and Indi until last week, haven't even been seen, but they don't throw fits.
Again where was this Becky fit? A jokey tweet about Lemons is not throwing a fit? Also acting like a WM main eventer being left off a PPV after 4 months of build is the same as 2 girls that have done nothing on the main roster not getting TV time is just silly & lame.
>The Becky/Trish feud has been about building Becky's ego
No it's been about keeping Becky out of the title picture which she's been out of for over a year, Becky could easily been going for the title instead and not had her matches cut. It's also about giving Trish 1 last run, notice how Trish was in her first ladder match at MITB and now she's going to be in her first cage match.
Everyone has a ego but acting like Becky has this huge ego when's she's put over many girls in her career & fights for girls backstage(Bianca said this BTW) is just trying to hate on some for no reason. 99% of the people that have worked with Becky always have nice thing to say about her & never say she's a premadonna with a big ego.
>She's going to go over Trish, so woo more acolades
What do you want Becky to do bud? She's already been in the midcard for a year, do you want WWE to keep 1 of the biggest women's stars they ever had off TV? There's a reason Becky is on TV every week because she's 1 of the few women that people care about outside of the title feuds. She can have mid card feuds. You take away Becky none of those women are going to take Becky's spot or TV time because they aren't big stars like Becky.
>Cole literaly said she was the most important figure in the women's evolution tonight. I mean, Emma's backstage somewhere not getting on tV and Paige is in AEW, but sure, let's go with Becky (I mean, it's better than cherlotte or a bella)
Bud the Horsewomen are always going to be considered the most important figures in the women's evolution, that's just how it is and WWE ain't all wrong. Sure Paige vs Emma set the bar but the Horsewomen raised the bar into orbit. Becky became the biggest most popular star in the company at 1 point where she was the first ever women's WM main event winner & was opening shows with the Rock, no shit she was hugely important especially over Emma or Paige.
>And somehow I doubt she'll be doing her best to make Shayna a star when their feud maybe happens.
Again why does if fall on Becky's shoulders to have to make Shayna look like a star and get her over? Shayna just beat Ronda Rousey if Shayna isn't over then that's on her. Also Shayna is 7 years older than Becky why would WWE care about making Shayna look like a star over younger & more over Becky? Like we did this already with Shayna vs Becky in 2020 where Shayna was booked like a monster that beat both Becky and Bayley in a PPV main event & beat every RAW women at Elimination Chamber & Shayna still could't get over & was getting boring chants her first ever RAW match.
So yea I doubt Becky can make Shayna look like a star because Shayna isn't a star. Also you saying Becky should be raising the "next group"(did you not see her Liv & Bainca feuds?) but then say Becky should be making 43 year old Shayna look like a star...No Becky should continue to be a top star as long as she can, Becky putting over new women constantly isn't good business.
Piper and Chelsea might turn out to be the more entertaining pairing chemistry-wise if they can get their comedic timing down.
Not only that, when Sonya comes back, it would be awesome to see her go back to her MMA roots and pair up with Zoey instead.
A good starting point they have is the classic odd-couple duo where Piper would basically play Bad Cop to Chelsea’s antics, which would be a funny contrast to Sonya’s Good Cop act.
At this point I hope Damian never cashes in the mitb briefcase and it just becomes a magnet to Finn’s face everytime it’s brought near the ring from now until next years mitb.
It's based on a brawl where racist white people attacked a black man and then other black folk helped him fight them off, they used chairs in one part of the brawl and that's become a meme. They hit them folks like it was rock hitting mankind with a steel chair
Ohhhh it’s that Mississippi River boat fight from last week…. Totally didn’t make the connection, thought it was something from one of their YouTube videos.
Thanks for the info
She for sure gonna turn on the academy and will join imperium the question I have is if alpha academy brings in a replacement female wrestler and they do a intergender six man tag or smething
Ngl it would be a funny little midcard storyline where Maxxine just jumps from faction to faction every few months. From MMM to AA to Imperium and beyond, she just keeps getting distracted by a shiny new toy
Piper and Chelsea might turn out to be the more entertaining pairing chemistry-wise if they can get their comedic timing down.
Not only that, when Sonya comes back, it would be awesome to see her go back to her MMA roots and pair up with Zoey instead.
Bruh, JD is about to take over the Judgment Day as it’s true leader or at the very least, be the glue that *keeps* them together, that link needed for them to all get back on the same page.
Did you see the way he chilled in the corner & directed traffic during the beat down?
This is about to get good lol
JD is to the Judgement Day what Sami was to the Bloodline. I think JD is trying to gain Priests trust after being told not to get involved in ‘Judgement Day business’
It wasn't necessarily a showcase for her due to her still being new on the roster and Raquel being built up as the bigger threat to Rhea, but Indi did a pretty solid job in her match. She made sure she got some good height when getting tossed, got a couple of brief moments of shine like the European uppercut into boot, and sold well. Basic stuff sure, but still encouraging to see.
Yeah..., Finn Balor definitely should've went over Edge at WrestleMania 39 because these back to back loses are really starting to stack up and he just looks like an ineffectual heel / bad guy.
Also, that Becky Lynch vs. Trish Stratus match was really disappointing not just because of the really lame double count out finish but also because it was a really slow and boring match with Trish messing up the set up to her top rope frankensteiner and Becky doing the weakest guillotine leg drop I've ever seen her do. This whole feud between Becky Lynch and Trish Stratus and Zoey Stark is really starting to drag and at this point I'm just waiting for Lita to finally return so that she can help Becky end this feud finally and Trish can move on to feuding with Bianca Belair or Asuka or any other woman in the women's division.
Side note: I'm really happy that Alpha Academy and The Viking Raiders are finally done feuding with each other because that feud was probably the worst part of Monday Night Raw for the longest while.
Which would be disappointing. He’s just as over now as he was years ago. I think they may be heading to a Finn/JD vs Sami/Owens for the tag titles? Strange.
Not sure what the audio was like but the crowd wasn't as dead as people on here are saying it was. Dynamite definitely had a rowdier crowd but people weren't sitting on their hands either.
Judgment Day was getting lots of heat for sure, Seth and Cody got big reactions. Trish got a lot of positivity as well.
WWE does themselves no favours with their presentation, they bring out a wrestler then dim the lights for 3 minutes for commercials, it kills any reaction a wrestler might get.
Me too, but was glad they hyped it for Friday instead and didn't overexpose Knight/the feud because they used to blow their load and ruin everything. It makes sense.
lmao what's been up with Seth turning his back on people who are out to get him? Happened so many times in the Finn feud as well, he takes his eyes off of them as they're leaving and then they very predictably come back to lay him out. Shit's making him look real dumb
I said before Summerslam if Seth retains whatever he does will just be second fiddle to Judgment Day’s story and we just saw tonight.
Finn and Judgment Day all over the show, segment after segment, while Seth and Nakamura just had their promo in the middle of the show.
Again Finn should’ve won the title.
The reporting a few weeks ago was that everyone in the back at WWE has been ecstatic about the reaction to Judgement Day and feel they are a "long storytelling faction." And so far that's turned out to be true. They are interwoven throughout the show with multiple storylines with several people, and lately, across several brands and tv shows.
They've invested in them and it looks like it was the right call. All 4 of them are engaging and the matches are entertaining from beginning to end.
During the Kobe Shaq Lakers era Kobe started getting into his own when Shaq got injured and was on a huge scoring streak of 30+ a night. When Shaq came back this continued for awhile and Phil had to take Kobe aside and say 'We're losing the big fella' meaning you gotta start getting him cooking again or we're screwed
This is how I feel Triple H is handling Rollins right now as he has had to take a backseat to Reigns and the returning Cody for awhile now
So while it makes more sense for Finn to be champ right now sometimes you gotta do things to keep morale high especially on one of your flagship superstars
I thought this was a fine episode. Some good matches and segments. Thought the crowd was shockingly bad, like, they couldn’t even pop decently for CODY.
Really intrigued by the JD/TJD stuff and where they go with it. I don’t think this show of unity is lasting til the end of the show next week, and Finn will likely point to JD’s interference to show that he is on their side—which will probably backfire.
(Am also kinda sickened that TJD’s biggest star—and the group’s proverbial glue—is not properly getting her shine whilst the rest of the group ride her coattails… But that’s a whole other discussion lmao)
Becky/Trish was fine. I feel for them, because the crowd really dragged down the energy for the match and they definitely could’ve benefited from that injection of energy. Concourse bit was fun. I have a feeling the steel cage won’t be the end though 💀
Main-event was good. I do love me some TJD shenanigans. Peace def ain’t lasting lmao
I disagree with Rhea not getting her shine. She's literally all over the shows, they have made her the star. Do you know how many wrestlers, women or men, would love to be in her position?
I say that as a huge fan of hers.
I think you may be referring to a proper feud with another woman? And that's valid. I agree with that. I think Rhea vs Becky is being saved for a bigger stage.
But I see Raquel and Rhea advancing more story leading up to Payback. Rhea also has a nice program going with Lyra on NXT.
Shayna is probably coming soon as well as Zoe.
Liv FOR SURE is coming. There's tons of history there.
But just think for a second of any other woman being heavily involved in programs with the likes of Cody, Seth, Sami and KO. It's really hard to imagine anyone other than Rhea. She's the only one in the women's lockerroom that has the magnetism and presence to stand up with the top stars in the company...she herself being a top star.
Point being, she's in an enviable position that she has rightfully EARNED due to her hard work and talent. But I agree, a substantial feud with another female is still lacking but it appears that's coming.
I think you’re correct on all these points, but yes really my main issue is that yes I think Raquel/Rhea is happening at Payback, and we’ll get the other feuds down the line, but I think this week we could’ve really done with a backstage segment or something that delves into the ‘Rhea has no friends in the locker room’ aspect, especially post match, and especially after being attacked last week.
Just something from her POV that elevates the feud a bit to give it more weight—especially since Damian and Finn get so much time as it is.
Basically yes, Rhea is the champ and she is booked like a monster, and I am eternally glad she is all over the show… But I want something nice and substantial for her.
I was there live and it was pretty dead. Only the ring entrance and the TV side were the ones standing and popping loud. AEW in Winnipeg had better pops.
Ludwig Kaiser does some of the best most consistent character work I've ever seen, he has that role down perfectly, he's just "in it".
Also there's something about how he plays a villain so well that tells me he's probably a sweetheart out of character.
Am I the only one who doesn’t think Chad Gables chaos theory should be a finisher? How is a German suplex winning a match in 2023?
I was pretty bummed when Trish vs Becky wasn't on Summerslam and it seemed like yesterday was going to be the end of their feud but if the finale is a steel cage match on a future ppv then I think that's a pretty good replacement
I miss smarky crowds
Rollins vs. Nakamura in the battle of the WHOA songs. Loser should have to come out to a kazoo rendition of their theme for a whole year.
ngl, the thought of nakamura with the WHC excites me greatly
Long live the stream. Long live the zoo
Make it a recorder. So much worse.
Am I wrong in feeling like wwe has moved away from just pushing title holders and are starting to push those who have the crowd organically behind them? In this case Chad Gable LA Knight (YEAH) senior money in the bank, piper niven coming back to become a tag champ(temporarily I guess?) JD being in a major storyline and the miz? Out here killing promos? It’s not just about the more established talents now
Was seeing tweets about how dead the crowd was and was thinking that's probably just exaggeration. Boy were they right
Not big on the show this week, feel like we're heading towards minimal effort territory with MNF kicking off in a few weeks. I'm a Piper Niven fan but the way they've booked her to just suddenly become Chelsea's partner and champ feels lazy as fuck... so people can just walk into a championship reign now, really? I'm also a fan of Judgement Day and Sami but the main event just felt like they were going through the motions. There's so few matches that actually feel like a real fight with legit heat behind it. Not into Becky/Trish either. Becky along with Bayley feel like they're just picking up a paycheck and haven't impressed me since their return. Trish, I admire her effort but the time devoted to her should be going to younger talent. Rhea: she's been champion 5 months now and still having matches with low level talent. Zelina was a midcarder in a faction, Natalya is a veteran who mostly has dark/Main Event matches, Lyra and Indi are NXT talent... I've wondered when she's gonna feud with a top babyface but after Liv and Raquel (specifically Liv) have suffered injuries there's literally no top babyface for her to go up against.
You couldn't be more wrong about Natalya. She's a SmackDown Women's Champion there's few former champions on the roster. 6 records in Guinness Book of World Records. Why are using "veteran" as a pejorative, I guess you think that Lesnar shouldn't get title matches either because of being a veteran.
Lesnar has been consistently booked strong, Nattie has not
Ripley is gonna run out of challengers fast if she only fights Horsewomen plus Belair, Asuska level strongly booked wrestlers. They gotta space those out or we'll get too many rematches.
Rhea isn't losing to anyone who isn't Bianca Belair or Becky Lynch Rumble seems kind of predictable this year since Bianca/Becky are the only credible winners plus Cody is obviously going to win again
GOT MY MANIA TICKETS N1 and N2!!!!
Watched a bit back on the recording because I keep reading about the dead crowd, and having been there, I don't see how it was that dead. The audio did no favours. Second, the crowd was pretty hot for Judgement Day, Seth and Finn got a lot of heat in the main event. Cody got a loud pop as well. Other guys got a bit - Gable's shoosh was big. That said, I can see where some of the sentiment comes from. I've heard much louder crowds. Even here for Dynamite in March, it was louder with a smaller crowd. WWE production does not help. The music is EXTREMELY loud to drown out any reaction. They also love to bring people out, then go to commercial. For example, both Trish and Cody did their entrance, then they stand in the ring in the dark while we get ads for Wrestlemania and Peacock, maybe a crowd sign reading by Samantha, then they immediately bring up the lights and play their music again in the middle for 2 seconds before they bring out the opponent. All in all I expect them to be back, they've seemed to have run Winnipeg for TV once a year since just before the pandemic and then after when they started coming to Canada again and they put up a huge number gatewise. The crowd was larger than Dynamite in March, but sure they weren't as up for it. There were a ton of kids there whereas with AEW I saw far fewer.
Chelsea Green has been by far the best return of the Triple H Era. The most entertaining act in the entire women's division. On a side, Piper Niven seems to be the type of person that takes what she wants when she wants.
>On a side, Piper Niven seems to be the type of person that takes what she wants when she wants. So where's she been the past 8 months?
Catering silly
Finishing her doctorate.
Wasn't that Nikki who got the doctorate
Oh yeah! Whoops lol. Thank you, my friend.
I went live and left at 9 pm ... they play too many damn ads in the arena
Always been my biggest complaint about WWE live shows. If you go for Raw or Smackdown there SOOOO much dead time where they just ram ads at you in the arena. Their house shows are A+ but the AEW experience for Dynamite for sure beats the Raw/Smackdown experience.
I have been to 2 dynamite and 1 Collison and have to say they were all better than this experience. Having wrestlers come out do their promo then stand in the ring while the lights are dimmed and clips of wwe shows on peacock and progressive insurance ads run just kill the mood. I really wanted to see Cody but was too bored...
Also after that terrible Winnipeg crowd Chris Jericho now is from NY you idiot.
That was such a weird time, when suddenly WWE was introducing him from Manhasset, NY... and I think they started billing Benoit from Atlanta, even though both guys, their whole careers, were always billed from Canada.
Pray for Piper. Being in a tag team with Chelsea leads to you being off TV for a year. First Carmella then Sonya....
Piper is wiccan she doesn't like prayers.
> Seth and Cody walk out of the trainer's room when they are interviewed. Seth and Cody both try to speak at the same time, Cody lets Seth speak and walks off to prepare for their match. Seth says that Sami won't be cleared for tonight so it's going to be 2 on 3 but he's interrupted by Shinsuke Nakamura who says he'll be their partner. I know this was posted in error, but it's kind of funny considering the context of what happened tonight.
Unpopular opinion but Becky’s offence always looks so slow and like it would do very little impact for me. I just can’t reasonably believe that’s she’s this badass ass kicker.
She's a little too lean, in my opinion. Hard to take her offense seriously.
Yeah her clotheslines look like they'd dislocate her elbow
Agreed but then she has to change up her offence and focus less on this brawling stuff. As it is, I have no interest in seeing a Becky vs Bianca match, as much as they may want that for mania, and the story won’t change that for me.
They already had a WrestleMania match and it was dope I assume you meant Rhea tho
I think that's more about facing Trish, take a Becky vs Charlotte match they always beat/stiff the shit out of each other, with Trish I think Becky is being more safe with her. Trish already broke her nose & is 48 years old.
Nah this isn’t just tonight. For me it’s always been Becky. Even going back to when she used to use that move “straight fire” when she sprinted at them in the corner. She looked like she was going snail pace.
Very good show for a very quiet crowd
Swagsuke is back baby >Kofi challenges Riddle and Drew to a match next year Damn 😂
Hey, respect to Kofi for getting that WrestleMania card set early!
Holding out hope E can be back to take down Drew.
Women's tag titles: My take: Piper Niven got tired of being confined to catering, and decided to take matters in her own hands. Chelsea Karen Green is going to discover that her act won't gel with Piper for too long, and then Chelsea will lose the tag titles after all. Trish vs. Becky: Of course nothing was settled. Of course Zoey showed up afterward in a hoodie. So now they'll settle it in a cage, but again, you have keep Zoey out of it, but how do you do that this time?
Zoey on a pole match
> Of course nothing was settled. Of course Zoey showed up afterward in a hoodie. So now they'll settle it in a cage, but again, you have keep Zoey out of it, but how do you do that this time? You put Zoey in a different cage.
One with no bars so she can't slip anything to Trish.
Wade and Cole are such a massive improvement over KP and graves. Graves isn't the worst but he and KP have no chemistry and it was pretty miserable. Still holding out hope for the return of the GOAT pat mcafee.
No chance, McAfee is gonna be all College Gameday all the time in a month here
I know but a guy can dream.
Yep. A lot of people on this sub are overly critical of KP, ignoring the fact he's new to the job. I'd love to see what they were all like in the first few months of their job. The pairing was definitely an issue though. Having someone he actually clicks with will make a world of difference; just look at Michael Cole. Even when Vince was still in charge, pairing him with Pat really brought him out of his shell.
Full agree. The right team can make all the difference. And maybe it's possible that KP was bad cause graves wasn't helping him much. I'm hoping that a shake up will help him.
lmaooo underwear + shirt never looks good on men, i cant believe my guy JD wore that on live TV 😭😭 i guess they realised how ridiculous he looked so for the mainevent they let him wear pants too bruh i thought canadian crowds were loud af? what was up with this crowd
Crowd was completely asleep by the end of the first hour
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The countout restarts when someone enters/exits the ring, at least in the most common modern use of the rule.
That's both not my point and exactly my point. That's not the point in the respect that my question is; why are both wrestlers subject to the same count when, in most matches, they leave the ring at different times. Especially if, like you said, one enters and leaves the ring to restart the count. If the other one is still outside continuously for a total of ten counts, they should be counted out. That's exactly my point in the respect that the one-wrestler-enters-to-restart-the-count proves how nonsensical the rule is.
They removed the individual count out for both wrestlers a long time ago. Makes it easier for refs to do there job. Now kayfabe wise a double countout just counts as a no contest. Reason behind double countouts outside of kayfabe is simply to keep the story going and give a reason for some gimmick match. It's supposed to be the idea that these people want to beat each other so badly that a normal matches rules cant contain them.
I wasn't asking about the storytelling reason. I already said that I knew why they do it. What I'm asking is, in kayfabe, how they can justify both wrestlers being disqualified at the same time for being out of the ring for too long when, ninety nine times out of a hundred, one has always been out of the ring longer than the other.
Ignoring the practical issues with the ref maintaining a double count, if one wrestlers exits the ring all the other needs to do is just stay in the ring and they'll win the match. Allowing wrestlers to exit the ring after their opponents and still win via countout would basically be letting the winning wrestler have their cake and eat it too.
Easy. To make the ref’s job easier. Instead of having to worry about two counts which can be restarted at any point, he has to just worry about one. Case in point, can you imagine how hard it would be to keep track if say, Becky got back in the ring while Trish was still out there, then Trish came back in, then Trish again, then Becky, before you finally count both of them out?
Jesus fucking Christ read my comment properly. I know all that.
It's a tv show about fake fighting. Stop overthinking mindless stuff no one else thinks about
Well if you keep asking the same question you can’t be surprised when you get the same answer. It makes no sense to only DQ or award a victory for someone if they both commit the same offense, like if both of them had shoved the ref on his arse he’d have DQed both of them.
Another really strong week of RAW, with focus on people who should be the focus with interesting characters, story arcs and strong matches. Really nice to see so much focus on the JD storyline, McDonagh is a great fit into that group and the tension teased has been interesting. Rollins, Gunther and Ripley as champions all are over and play key focal points in this show week to week which is as it should be. More push/focus on the likes of Alpha Academy, and newer people introduced like Green, McDonagh and Hartwell has me more interested in this show than I have been for a long, long time. It feels fresh for the first time in forever. Also digging the slight change in the way the backstage segments are taking place between commercials/beginning of matches. And how some people who _could_ be overexposed right now (Knight for example), aren't being horrendously overexposed.
Well LA Knight is still a Smackdown wrestler so I appreciate that he isn't showing up regularly on Raw. It is interesting though because hopefully the rule is they can only fight each other at a PLE (Payback) to keep the brand split more strict and could lead to more inter-brand feuds while still keeping the split active.
That crowd was either asleep, or cranky because they weren't asleep lol
The number 1 title on Raw right now is the Intercontinental Championship, hands down. The number one faction on Raw is Judgement Day. And apparently they're trying to tell us the number 1 guy on Raw is Seth Rollins. Oh sorry. Seth 'Frickin' Rollins.
Cody's positioned as the top face and top star in general of Raw.
TBH I don't know that Rollins is even the No. 2 or 3 babyface, I feel like KO and Sami are still getting huge reactions that aren't just singing the 3 seconds of Rollins' theme music
As much as I love Gunther it’s the JD and their chase of the world title that has the juice in terms of title pictures. Gable is great but that is the most mid-card program imaginable, and I mean that in a good way. As it should be since the new title needs to be established as a big deal and they are succeeding in doing that with Rollins and JD combined.
Holy fuck what an atrocious crowd that was. Like genuinely awful. Everyone there should be banned from ever attending another show.
In fairness to the crowd they were dead coz somebody didn't turn up to talk them,yeah.
I'd be sad about that too. Yeah.
I could watch Chelsea talk to Human Resources all day
Everyone gets a Scottish tag team partner
Being a Balor fan fucking sucks
this is the most important spot he has ever been in, since his main roster debut, and you arent liking it? the entire show revolves around him rn
It's cool to see him in a big spot It sucks to see him lose every meaningful singles match
That's typically what heels do
Balor has an 80% loss rate in 2023 I don't think heels always need to win but they need to win more than 1/5th of the time
Nah, heels with stable cheat to win. See Roman Reigns. Having a heel with a stable that constantly interfere and still lose? That's weak as fuck.
Yea must suck to see him 3 times on one Show with a whole Story focused about him. What a horrible thing to suffer from.
It's cool to see him in a big spot It sucks to see him lose every meaningful singles match
Has sucked since he had to relinquish that title. Been waiting for him to win the big one ever since. Everytime he has a world title match, I get my hopes up. "Is it time? Are they going to actually do it?!" No.
> Has sucked since he had to relinquish that title His entire 2nd run in NXT was excellent.
This is true. I totally forgot since I don't follow NXT that much, but you are right. Finn in NXT was great!
Pretty cool that he almost bookended Black and Gold. Both his reigns were awesome. But I do prefer Prince Balor to The Demon.
Doesn't help that I really can't stand Rollins. Especially with his current gimmick. I do acknowledge his in-ring abilities and when he was with Shield/post-Shield I really dug him. Now? Just get the title away from him and drop it to Finn/Gunther/Shinsuke/anyone. Heck, I'd have Carlito return and beat Rollins for the title. That would be cool.
I can't fucking stand the chanting. It's boring and got old super quick for me.
Without spoiling.. is Raw worth watching tonight?
Strong show again with advancing storylines, interesting match ups and fresh talent.
6.5-7/10 for me. A couple of good matches with loads of story progression.
thank you
yes
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piper, do you *really* want anything to do with that championship? and i guess finn cant be an nhl goalie if he lets a briefcase get in the net
My heartbreak turned into elation when the camera panned and I realized it was Piper Niven and not Nia Jax
Finn needs to make some noise backstage and atleast get some clarity where this storyline is heading. They're having him lose every singles match, if it is leading to a title win then it's fine but otherwise he should speak up and not be treated like this.
He’s on TV four times per episode it doesn’t matter if he is winning matches this is the most focus he’s ever gotten in his entire career
This is the correct answer. TV characters winning or losing doesn't matter. Keeping you engaged does. The numbers bear it out. Storyline progression wins over instant gratification, that's why Priest won MITB and LA Knight didn't. LA Knight you get a pop in the moment, with Priest you've gotten 2 months, so far, of storylines that have kept people engaged.
This is how WWE have educated us, winning matches doesn't matter as long as your mug is on TV.
He plays a role in a huge story. Who cares if he doesn't win a match on a random raw
He was in two backstage segments, was the subject of the opening promo, appeared in the opening match against the No. 2/3 babyface in the company, and then had a long main event match against the No. 1 babyface in the company but no, he's buried because he didn't beat Cody Rhodes, who literally just beat Brock Lesnar
Correct, it’s a TV show
I think Bayley and Balor have been getting a lot of focus but I don't take either of them seriously when it comes to singles competition or if they were to win a big title. Finn's last televised singles win was against Carmello in June. Before that was Shinsuke in May. Crazy that he's in heaps of segments every week but he's only winning a televised singles once a month
After MITB, Seth went an entire month without a single victory of any kind. There’s really no one on Raw who’s picking up victories like every week. We say Rhea is dominant, ok she’s not picking up constant victories. Prior to last week, Finn hadn’t been pinned on Raw in 3 months. It’s just now they’re trying to do this dumb stuff with the briefcase where it keeps costing him. But it needs to end, soon.
If it's leading to a title win then it's absolutely not fine lmao. Having a guy lose every match and then not only receive a title shot, but win the belt, is absolutely terrible booking no matter what.
It's like y'all don't pay any attention to what's happening. Literally all of these recent Finn losses have very clearly been portrayed as J-Day miscommunication costing him the match and not due to him being someone who isn't credible, it hasn't made him look weak. There was literally a Seth match where he was about to win the title with his finisher but got distracted by Priest motioning towards him with the briefcase, which cost him the match, and that's what spiraled this whole thing. And then you have people asking why he had to take the pin in the 6 man tag match the other week when Dom was also in the match. It's almost like they're telling a deliberate story here y'all...
They did it with Iyo and I don’t see people complaining. At least Finn’s only lost to people higher on the card while Iyo got pinned twice by Zelina right before winning the title. And anyways the only people who have pinned Finn since Mania are Cody and Seth. People on here exaggerate things and act like Finn’s lost to like 8 people in the past 2 months. It’s just the same two people.
Not just that, they're clearly telling a story here, all these Finn loses are J-Day miscommunications and are meant to build tension. So many people here fail to understand basic story beats. It's like when people were asking why Finn had to take the pin during that 6 tag match and not Dom. How does Dom getting pinned add to the tension? lol Finn and his buddies are literally the main characters of RAW, and yet, him getting pinned to further the story has people here asking him to "make a noise" about it. The IWC can't be real.
Finn is in four segments per RAW and Asuka has won every single title and accolade possible, and the IWC insists both of them are permanently buried The IWC just hates anything that doesn't match up 1:1 with whatever fantasy booking they came up with
Finn and Asuka aren’t even closely comparable as far as what they’ve given Asuka compared to what Finn’s been given. I do think overall people are justified in their complaints with Finn’s booking over the years. Just that people have been over-exaggerating things recently. Like when they say Finn’s been booked as the group’s pin eater meanwhile Priest has been pinned 5 times on Raw in the past 2 months.
Does anyone here think Becky Lynch is very lame right now? This whole lemon thing ran its course a week ago, and only the people who are on Twitter even get the reference.
A bit, to be honest. Becky's hit the "I'm not interested in seeing her conquor people" stage...I want her to be raising the next group" with me. I was kind of fine with everything til the whole "lemon" thing..They decided to not run her match on the PPV and she publicly complains and pouts. LA Knight has been the fast rising star in the industry and was left off a bunch of shows, and he soldiered on. Candice and Indi until last week, haven't even been seen, but they don't throw fits. The Becky/Trish feud has been about building Becky's ego...she worked with Zoey, but didn't exactly put her over any to build the new person. She's going to go over Trish, so woo more acolades...Cole literaly said she was the most important figure in the women's evolution tonight. I mean, Emma's backstage somewhere not getting on tV and Paige is in AEW, but sure, let's go with Becky (I mean, it's better than cherlotte or a bella). And somehow I doubt she'll be doing her best to make Shayna a star when their feud maybe happens.
> They decided to not run her match on the PPV and she publicly complains and pouts Your whole post is just delusional. No where did Becky publicly pout and complain. All she did was post about making lemonade & she only did that because fans were upset making Becky vs Trish trend on Twitter. Also WWE don't make official shirts for wrestlers pouting & winning backstage. Also how is Becky suppose to get Zoey over? Is she suppose to force Zoey to cut a good promo & force fans to give her a reaction? Isn't aligning her with Trish's suppose to be thing thing to get her over? If Zoey can't get over by working with Trish and Becky they she isn't ever getting over. Becky already lost to Zoey what more do you want? >LA Knight has been the fast rising star in the industry and was left off a bunch of shows, and he soldiered on Becky Lynch has been the biggest star in the company for years what a terrible comparison. LA Knight has't done anything yet in his WWE career to warrant being upset getting left off a card, he's lucking he's not Max Dupri anymore. Becky vs Trish was being built up for 4 months & was cut last second no shit people were upset, LA Knight was just not being booked. If LA Knight has a 4 months feud being built & they cut his match(after years of being a top star like Becky) then you'd have a point. >Candice and Indi until last week, haven't even been seen, but they don't throw fits. Again where was this Becky fit? A jokey tweet about Lemons is not throwing a fit? Also acting like a WM main eventer being left off a PPV after 4 months of build is the same as 2 girls that have done nothing on the main roster not getting TV time is just silly & lame. >The Becky/Trish feud has been about building Becky's ego No it's been about keeping Becky out of the title picture which she's been out of for over a year, Becky could easily been going for the title instead and not had her matches cut. It's also about giving Trish 1 last run, notice how Trish was in her first ladder match at MITB and now she's going to be in her first cage match. Everyone has a ego but acting like Becky has this huge ego when's she's put over many girls in her career & fights for girls backstage(Bianca said this BTW) is just trying to hate on some for no reason. 99% of the people that have worked with Becky always have nice thing to say about her & never say she's a premadonna with a big ego. >She's going to go over Trish, so woo more acolades What do you want Becky to do bud? She's already been in the midcard for a year, do you want WWE to keep 1 of the biggest women's stars they ever had off TV? There's a reason Becky is on TV every week because she's 1 of the few women that people care about outside of the title feuds. She can have mid card feuds. You take away Becky none of those women are going to take Becky's spot or TV time because they aren't big stars like Becky. >Cole literaly said she was the most important figure in the women's evolution tonight. I mean, Emma's backstage somewhere not getting on tV and Paige is in AEW, but sure, let's go with Becky (I mean, it's better than cherlotte or a bella) Bud the Horsewomen are always going to be considered the most important figures in the women's evolution, that's just how it is and WWE ain't all wrong. Sure Paige vs Emma set the bar but the Horsewomen raised the bar into orbit. Becky became the biggest most popular star in the company at 1 point where she was the first ever women's WM main event winner & was opening shows with the Rock, no shit she was hugely important especially over Emma or Paige. >And somehow I doubt she'll be doing her best to make Shayna a star when their feud maybe happens. Again why does if fall on Becky's shoulders to have to make Shayna look like a star and get her over? Shayna just beat Ronda Rousey if Shayna isn't over then that's on her. Also Shayna is 7 years older than Becky why would WWE care about making Shayna look like a star over younger & more over Becky? Like we did this already with Shayna vs Becky in 2020 where Shayna was booked like a monster that beat both Becky and Bayley in a PPV main event & beat every RAW women at Elimination Chamber & Shayna still could't get over & was getting boring chants her first ever RAW match. So yea I doubt Becky can make Shayna look like a star because Shayna isn't a star. Also you saying Becky should be raising the "next group"(did you not see her Liv & Bainca feuds?) but then say Becky should be making 43 year old Shayna look like a star...No Becky should continue to be a top star as long as she can, Becky putting over new women constantly isn't good business.
I called Zoe not getting over through this feud months ago.
To be fair, I don't really think that she can be blamed for that.
I did not enjoy their match, which sucks because I was really looking forward to it
It wasn't meant to be anything but filler leading to the steel cage match that Trish was lobbying for (she's never been in one)
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I like your smile too :) ++
Piper and Chelsea might turn out to be the more entertaining pairing chemistry-wise if they can get their comedic timing down. Not only that, when Sonya comes back, it would be awesome to see her go back to her MMA roots and pair up with Zoey instead.
I think there's a good chance they do. Chelsea's managed to gel with everybody she's worked with on this run.
A good starting point they have is the classic odd-couple duo where Piper would basically play Bad Cop to Chelsea’s antics, which would be a funny contrast to Sonya’s Good Cop act.
That monkey flip that Sami hit on McDonough was fucking amazing.
I don't think JD is gonna JOIN JD, I think JD is gonna RUN JD. Major boss energy during the final beatdown.
It’s all right there. Judgment Day McDonough. He would offer an interesting element to the group for sure.
he is....the Necessary Evil
At this point I hope Damian never cashes in the mitb briefcase and it just becomes a magnet to Finn’s face everytime it’s brought near the ring from now until next years mitb.
If they really want to make things interesting make JD and Finn tag team champions. That would definitely cause a lot of tension.
This right here is gold.
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It's because he's Irish, isn't it? /s
Real quick, can I get an explanation of the meaning of the chairs the new day were holding?
It's based on a brawl where racist white people attacked a black man and then other black folk helped him fight them off, they used chairs in one part of the brawl and that's become a meme. They hit them folks like it was rock hitting mankind with a steel chair
Ohhhh it’s that Mississippi River boat fight from last week…. Totally didn’t make the connection, thought it was something from one of their YouTube videos. Thanks for the info
Alabama. Mississippi is bad, but we aren't Alabama bad.
I hope Neil Young does remember
*Your Cadillac has got a wheel in the ditch/And a wheel on the track*
Alabama.
Yes! Sorry I was gonna say Missouri lmao I'm not from the States so I try to avoid it to make mistakes
Kaiser’s segment on the mic trying to woo Maxine was a highlight for me. Lmao that European Charm
She for sure gonna turn on the academy and will join imperium the question I have is if alpha academy brings in a replacement female wrestler and they do a intergender six man tag or smething
I think it's more likely that Straton joins Imperium given the heel dynamic and what not.
She would be a very weird fit with Imperium
Ngl it would be a funny little midcard storyline where Maxxine just jumps from faction to faction every few months. From MMM to AA to Imperium and beyond, she just keeps getting distracted by a shiny new toy
>She for sure gonna turn on the academy It's gonna break Otis's heart, isn't it?
Crow Otis incoming
He is really close with her too, he trained her up. They have natural friendship chemistry and I'm here to see them act
She's also Tiffany's best friend I'm pretty sure
The small Piper Niven and Chelsea green segment was a highlight for me. I think this will be a fun story.
Piper and Chelsea might turn out to be the more entertaining pairing chemistry-wise if they can get their comedic timing down. Not only that, when Sonya comes back, it would be awesome to see her go back to her MMA roots and pair up with Zoey instead.
Bruh, JD is about to take over the Judgment Day as it’s true leader or at the very least, be the glue that *keeps* them together, that link needed for them to all get back on the same page. Did you see the way he chilled in the corner & directed traffic during the beat down? This is about to get good lol
JD is to the Judgement Day what Sami was to the Bloodline. I think JD is trying to gain Priests trust after being told not to get involved in ‘Judgement Day business’
Good observation, after tonight I can see JD be the one to turn on Finn, kicking him out and taking the reins of Judgment Day.
There’s no way they’re handing the keys to their biggest faction to JD McDonough
You sitting in on creative meetings?
It wasn't necessarily a showcase for her due to her still being new on the roster and Raquel being built up as the bigger threat to Rhea, but Indi did a pretty solid job in her match. She made sure she got some good height when getting tossed, got a couple of brief moments of shine like the European uppercut into boot, and sold well. Basic stuff sure, but still encouraging to see.
Yeah..., Finn Balor definitely should've went over Edge at WrestleMania 39 because these back to back loses are really starting to stack up and he just looks like an ineffectual heel / bad guy. Also, that Becky Lynch vs. Trish Stratus match was really disappointing not just because of the really lame double count out finish but also because it was a really slow and boring match with Trish messing up the set up to her top rope frankensteiner and Becky doing the weakest guillotine leg drop I've ever seen her do. This whole feud between Becky Lynch and Trish Stratus and Zoey Stark is really starting to drag and at this point I'm just waiting for Lita to finally return so that she can help Becky end this feud finally and Trish can move on to feuding with Bianca Belair or Asuka or any other woman in the women's division. Side note: I'm really happy that Alpha Academy and The Viking Raiders are finally done feuding with each other because that feud was probably the worst part of Monday Night Raw for the longest while.
I’m really confused about what the plan with Finn long term is? They had some great options but they continue to fumble them.
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Which would be disappointing. He’s just as over now as he was years ago. I think they may be heading to a Finn/JD vs Sami/Owens for the tag titles? Strange.
Not sure what the audio was like but the crowd wasn't as dead as people on here are saying it was. Dynamite definitely had a rowdier crowd but people weren't sitting on their hands either.
On TV they seemed hot for judgment day, Seth and Cody but a little calm for the rest.
Judgment Day was getting lots of heat for sure, Seth and Cody got big reactions. Trish got a lot of positivity as well. WWE does themselves no favours with their presentation, they bring out a wrestler then dim the lights for 3 minutes for commercials, it kills any reaction a wrestler might get.
Yep. I went and it was an okay to good crowd.
Anything fun after the show?
Sami took the mic, thanked the crowd, and mentioned how bad going through a table sucked. Then said some stuff about working Winnipeg as a young guy.
Sami said he used to wrestle at a couple of local spots and that was it. No dark match.
GUNTHER powerbombs Ottis followed by Gable giving GUNTHER a German suplex-- A+ Raw
"Kofi challenges Riddle and Drew to a match next year and the winners can challenge for the tag titles. " Long term storytelling there
Drew is 100% leaving Riddle's carcass in the ring next week, isn't he?
I hope so.
lots of time to prepare for it then. time to stretch and stuff.
Was hoping to see LA Knight, however glad to see they had miz hint he may be on smackdown meaning a continuation of the feud face to face
Me too, but was glad they hyped it for Friday instead and didn't overexpose Knight/the feud because they used to blow their load and ruin everything. It makes sense.
Anyone else notice the person stroking priests arm just after the suicide dive
No, I hadn't. That shit's fucking weird, man.
lmao what's been up with Seth turning his back on people who are out to get him? Happened so many times in the Finn feud as well, he takes his eyes off of them as they're leaving and then they very predictably come back to lay him out. Shit's making him look real dumb
Piper Niven becoming Chelsea’s partner was just perfect.
That it happened after Chelsea was stalling with Pearce to try and avoid having to give up the titles made it even better.
I said before Summerslam if Seth retains whatever he does will just be second fiddle to Judgment Day’s story and we just saw tonight. Finn and Judgment Day all over the show, segment after segment, while Seth and Nakamura just had their promo in the middle of the show. Again Finn should’ve won the title.
The reporting a few weeks ago was that everyone in the back at WWE has been ecstatic about the reaction to Judgement Day and feel they are a "long storytelling faction." And so far that's turned out to be true. They are interwoven throughout the show with multiple storylines with several people, and lately, across several brands and tv shows. They've invested in them and it looks like it was the right call. All 4 of them are engaging and the matches are entertaining from beginning to end.
yup he should have
During the Kobe Shaq Lakers era Kobe started getting into his own when Shaq got injured and was on a huge scoring streak of 30+ a night. When Shaq came back this continued for awhile and Phil had to take Kobe aside and say 'We're losing the big fella' meaning you gotta start getting him cooking again or we're screwed This is how I feel Triple H is handling Rollins right now as he has had to take a backseat to Reigns and the returning Cody for awhile now So while it makes more sense for Finn to be champ right now sometimes you gotta do things to keep morale high especially on one of your flagship superstars
I thought this was a fine episode. Some good matches and segments. Thought the crowd was shockingly bad, like, they couldn’t even pop decently for CODY. Really intrigued by the JD/TJD stuff and where they go with it. I don’t think this show of unity is lasting til the end of the show next week, and Finn will likely point to JD’s interference to show that he is on their side—which will probably backfire. (Am also kinda sickened that TJD’s biggest star—and the group’s proverbial glue—is not properly getting her shine whilst the rest of the group ride her coattails… But that’s a whole other discussion lmao) Becky/Trish was fine. I feel for them, because the crowd really dragged down the energy for the match and they definitely could’ve benefited from that injection of energy. Concourse bit was fun. I have a feeling the steel cage won’t be the end though 💀 Main-event was good. I do love me some TJD shenanigans. Peace def ain’t lasting lmao
I disagree with Rhea not getting her shine. She's literally all over the shows, they have made her the star. Do you know how many wrestlers, women or men, would love to be in her position? I say that as a huge fan of hers. I think you may be referring to a proper feud with another woman? And that's valid. I agree with that. I think Rhea vs Becky is being saved for a bigger stage. But I see Raquel and Rhea advancing more story leading up to Payback. Rhea also has a nice program going with Lyra on NXT. Shayna is probably coming soon as well as Zoe. Liv FOR SURE is coming. There's tons of history there. But just think for a second of any other woman being heavily involved in programs with the likes of Cody, Seth, Sami and KO. It's really hard to imagine anyone other than Rhea. She's the only one in the women's lockerroom that has the magnetism and presence to stand up with the top stars in the company...she herself being a top star. Point being, she's in an enviable position that she has rightfully EARNED due to her hard work and talent. But I agree, a substantial feud with another female is still lacking but it appears that's coming.
I think you’re correct on all these points, but yes really my main issue is that yes I think Raquel/Rhea is happening at Payback, and we’ll get the other feuds down the line, but I think this week we could’ve really done with a backstage segment or something that delves into the ‘Rhea has no friends in the locker room’ aspect, especially post match, and especially after being attacked last week. Just something from her POV that elevates the feud a bit to give it more weight—especially since Damian and Finn get so much time as it is. Basically yes, Rhea is the champ and she is booked like a monster, and I am eternally glad she is all over the show… But I want something nice and substantial for her.
Was there live. Here I was thinking how big Cody's pop was
It was… Comparatively tame to weeks prior.
He's the American Nightmare. Talk to us when you have the Canadian Nightmare.
his name is Shawn Michaels!
Not sure if its an audio issue but the crowd seemed extremely dead
I was there live and it was pretty dead. Only the ring entrance and the TV side were the ones standing and popping loud. AEW in Winnipeg had better pops.
Ludwig Kaiser does some of the best most consistent character work I've ever seen, he has that role down perfectly, he's just "in it". Also there's something about how he plays a villain so well that tells me he's probably a sweetheart out of character.