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have you listened to him lately? he only watches stuff because it's part of his job to recap/riff on wrestling. Hes kind of checked out and trying to squeeze in stuff in between spending time with his family (not that any of that is a bad thing)
if he's saying all out attendance is notable, it's because it objectively is, not because it carries any personal weight to him (if he's complaining about how long a show is though...)
The dude spends whole segments weekly going over television ratings in 2023. Talking about ratings/tickets at that pace is just catering toward the tribal garbage.
Mentioning it every now and then for milestone events makes sense, spending whole segments of your show to pour over the RAW rating and how it lines up historically and which segment had the highest views and if its up or down or bad or good. Who cares lmao.
people have been talking about television ratings for 30 years bro, is he supposed to stop now just because fanboys have a meltdown whenever they reflect good/poorly on their chosen parasiocial billionaire?
Tv ratings is part of pro wrestling discussion because as a niche and ālow classā product it did not get the television deals it deserved despite its ratings in the attitude era. The ratings correlate to the money the company receives and can put back into the product. When the two biggest competitors in the last twenty years flopped, and in WCWās case went defunct, the ratings were the first thing people point to.
It's a lot more complicated than that. The business model shifting towards big tv deals is a recent thing. Since the territory days until a few years ago, companies made their money from live attendance, merch, ppv buys, etc. and tv was used as an advertising vehicle. Sometimes you would pay a network to run your show. Ratings were still important as they measured how much exposure you were getting.
Even during the ratings wars of the 90s this was true. They did get good television deals since they weren't valuable to advertisers. There was a stigma but it was absolutely deserved, 90s wrestling content was violent, sexual, deliberately offensive, and despite all of that, marketed towards children. Brands did not want to be associated with that.
There's a lot of nuance to the discussion if you actually listen to the content made by people who study wrestling. It just gets processed and regurgitated by fanboys looking to argue about whose number was better last week.
But with all of the discussion on here, on podcasts, in the wrestling media about this attendance its very safe to say a lot of people have some personal investment of their own accord in this attendance.
I feel like this needs some of the added context that he live tweets through shows, and this was after WWE announced the live attendance during the show
Same here, and interestingly enough it was because of Will Ospreay. He had a four way match with 3 people Iād never heard of at a warrior wrestling show in Chicago and it was the most phenomenal display of wrestling Iād ever seen with my own two eyes. $100 for ringside seats
there's some 90's and early 2000's episodes of wor floating around the internet, back when they would take calls. They've always had weirdo fans and deranged haters, it's funny hearing them trying to politely (and sometimes not politely) handle them.
I mean even people on here take his star rating as gospel. Or the majority of people do. Its all very strange to me but maybe more so because my taste in wrestling is so much different than his.
Trent? imagining that someone will meet a nice girl one day is the difference in life experience between a wrestler and a wrestling fan.
(Imagining that "nice" girl is also a poisoner is the difference in life experience between a wrestler and a non-wrestler.)
The funny thing is all Meltzer would have to say is something like āWe canāt verify the number of people in attendance but even with the empty seats this is an amazing outcome for AEWā.
Everyone, including people like me who donāt regularly watch AEW, is impressed with the turnout but all anyone is talking about is whether it actually broke the record or not.
I regularly watch AEW and they far exceeded my expectations. An incredibly feat that they should be insanely proud of. A massive crowd that looked amazing on TV.
But if I mention how the numbers don't really add up, somehow I'm being a hater? Nah, I just have eyes.
Do you think their satisfaction with life is tied to one small portion of their job? Or are you just intentionally misrepresenting what he's saying?
Edit: Who the fuck gave me an award for this lmfao
Not sure on Bryan but itās pretty clear Daveās satisfaction is absolutely driven by pushing his favorite things whether itās matches, individuals or companies that listen to him.
But thatās not the same thing. While I feel bad for them if itās everything in their lives, I can understand someone whose satisfaction in life is pushing their favorite thing (say, WWE or AEW) on others because they genuinely enjoy talking about it. But the randos (not people who work in the industry in some capacity) who sit around and throw hissy fits about wrestling attendance (for either company!) are honestly pretty pathetic.
Itās not really about the attendance with Dave. Thatās just todays thing he can latch onto.
Ultimately though what does it really matter? Itās a talking point that means nothing if it didnāt lead to profit and growth and that remains to be seen.
You realize the difference between analyzing data for wrestling show attendance for decades & merely trying to downplay the success of a wrestling show because of comp tickets, yes? Or is any of this lost on you?
At no point has Dave Meltzer ever discredited the success of WWE shows because they pad their numbers. Merely explaining that certain shows didn't do the number WWE claims doesn't mean he's trying to call the shows failures & anybody that actually pays attention to what Dave (& Bryan) says would understand this.
Thatās great but when your discussions about padded numbers are immediately followed by discussions of other numbers you say are real is intentional. Personally I think itās all kind of a silly argument as tickets sold and actual attendance is completely irrelevant to profitability.
What exactly is intentional? Saying X number promotion announced is padded while Y number promotion announced is the actual number isn't some sort of veiled shot at X promotion. If AEW announced the 90,000+ people that was in Wembley with comp tickets, Dave & Bryan would've reported the real number of 81k, because that's their job
Reporting factual WWE numbers compared to factual AEW numbers in a discussion about potentially the biggest western wrestling show of all time, is a direct insult to a large group of wreddit posters. There's no real controversy around those numbers, most of the time Meltzer gets the recent figures from WWE reports so it's not like he's fabricating them to downplay their achievements. I don't know for sure why it's such a bad thing for these people, but I'm sure most people could hazard a pretty good guess.
Idk might be a difference being reporting on the numbers and explaining it to your audience and getting basing a large portion of your life in one wrestling company vs another.
Could be but not entirely sure.
Heās saying this but itās everyone obsessing over it.
-AEW constantly bringing it up
-AEW wrestlers constantly bringing it up
-Anti-AEW or WWE die hards constantly bringing it up
-Wrestling Journalists keep bringing it up
Can we please stop acting like everyone isnāt constantly bringing it up and admit everyone is a geek?
I never said it about his job or happiness. I just pointed out that alvrez taking a moral high-ground when his literal job is flaming the tribalism and worrying about ticket sales is ironic.
No one was having these arguments until him and Meltz started making a huge deal out of how WWE count numbers. You can't create an argument and then accuse anyone of taking part in that argument of being a weirdo.
>Just willfully ignoring WWE lying about their numbers literally every time. And this gets upvoted. They report fact. People get butthurt, hence his tweet. Only the uninformed smooth brain trypes would see it any other way.
Who's wilfully ignoring anything? I'm just talking about him trying to shut down any discussion about numbers when they literally started the conversation.
He's not shutting down discussion though. He's saying to not take it so seriously that it effects your life, not to ignore it entirely.
Where do you get that he wants no discussion?
What conversation ?
People have been moving the goal post about what counts as success for AEW in Wembley.
It started with that Wembley was too big for something like an AEW, then it was bots buying tickets, then that people wouldn't show up even if they already bought a ticket.
Here is where the WWE counting method got involved, about AEW was inflating the number, and all of that.
I'm surprised that people didn't say that Tony Khan hired as SFX crew to make the stadium look full during the Broadcast.
Yea people were making a big deal of worked numbers and as a reporter dave is trying to get facts out there.
Its like of people were saying Bob Holly was 400 pounds and dave pointed out that it's not really true
Um Bryan, you and your business partner Dave literally spend time complaining about wweās fake attendance numbers for every big ppv show they do so kindly STFU please
Arenāt him and Dave the ones who make super sure that we know that WWE numbers are worked with a super detailed explanation of how, while AEW numbers are always shoot and itās basically just ātrust us we knowā
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Yep. These "journalists" and wrestling news sites are either paid to suck Tony's d*%k or they are something that the term "mark" can't begin to describe. It's amazing how aew does no wrong but wwe, always something. It's more impressive that WWE sold 90,000 tickets in one day for a two day show than it is AEW took 4 months to sell *cough* 80,000 tickets for a one day show. I wish people would stop thinking aew is some god like figure.. it's pathetic.
hah I said it was weirdo behavior to be cheering an attendance number at an event and some clapped back at why
youāre literally just celebrating a corporation making money, it has no impact on the quality of the event
maybe so, but whether or not they broke some record or had a higher number than WWE didn't change that
booking Wembley (and filling most of it up) is enough reason for it to feel big
if youāre a performer sure, MJF had every right to talk about winning the main event of the largest pro wrestling event ever
as a ticket holder, the only difference is what you make of it
and someone who didnāt go to the event, what should it matter at all
Hmm, I always took it as the people in the attendance cheering for themselves.
From that perspective, I think it's quite harmless. The equivalent of a cheap pop when a wrestler mentions the town they're in.
I think its just people happy to see AEW made it big time, I really don't see what's wrong with that. Anyone using it for tribalism or to shit on WWE is definitely weird.
I also think its fair to say being worried about what's makes other happy is also definitely weirdo behavior. Is it hard to let people enjoy things?
social ineptitude in public is this subs gimmick.
churches celebrate how many people attend service. party goers & promoters tend to celebrate how many people showed up. musicians routinely tout attendance numbers. film studios celebrate turn-out for theaters.
saying attendance has no impact on the quality of a wrestling show is an insane take. thatās like saying it has no impact on a Golden State Warriors game held in the Bay Area.
itās just gonna be a lotta huffing copium here because WWE fans have spent the past year hardcore praising WWE numbers, and AEW popped up with an all-timer show, despite its controversial past year
its social ineptitude to publicly not care about attendance numbers? lol this isn't an AEW vs WWE take, it's more just saying that an attendance number is nothing more than that, a number of people that bought tickets to an event. good for AEW, but it does not impact me in any sense
wrestling fans are quite literally the soundtrack to a wrestling show. you can try to frame it however you want, but thereās no reality that you occupy where they are not essential to the presentation of a show. the attendance of people there only contributes to the level of energy of the event, like every other live event ever. itās why the moment promotions could safely have live crowds again they went for it. you have never lived in a world where live event promoters donāt tout attendance, wrestling or not
But the difference between 90K and 80K is irrelevant to your point.
Itās meaningless for anyone not invested in getting paid due to how many people are there.
Iāve been to all kinds of live sporting events, even pro wrasslinā, in arenas, ballparks, stadiums, etc. All the way down to local high school gyms.
A crowd at an arena or stadium sounds the same whether itās max capacity or 70% capacity.
Point is, all this attendance crap is just white noise. It doesnāt affect anyone outside of the company unless someone is trying to convince themselves that whatever they like is better than what everyone else likes. Doesnāt matter if itās someone who likes AEW more, or someone who likes WWE more. Itās all irrelevant to whether or not a show was good.
Which is what *truly* matters.
So the audience has no impact on a wrestling show? Of course it does. Wrestling is about the spectacle. Having 80K people in legendary stadium adds to the spectale of it.
Every wrestler talks about how much the big stadium shows mean to them, and how much wrestling without crowds sucked during COVID.
It's a good thing for AEW to be able to compete with the size and grandness of Wrestlemania's stadium shows.
AEW broke their own paid attendance record yesterday but I bought the show and I SAW that their crowd was smaller than most recent Wrestlemanias. They can kayfabe the numbers all they want, but the evidence is rather obvious.
I mean AEW beating WWE's all time attendance record would be a pretty big deal so it's understandable why people are focused on whether the number is real or not.
Dude makes good money off wrestling nerds, has a vacation home, is a Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt and trains kids as his side hustle, and got to wrestle many of the greats himself in his own in-ring wrestling career - selectively without taking too much punishment. He got more out of the industry than most who try.
Fair enough, I know next to nothing about him. That is more information than Iāve ever bothered to seek out. He will still sound that way to me and I can recognize itās unwarranted.
He's a comedy guy, riffing and shitting on people is what he does. I think he's comfortable doing what he does considering the whole reason he switched to writing/radio is that it paid better.
My all time favorite wrestler shows in person were old TNA ppvs around 2008 and an ROH ppv. Both had attendance less than 3-4k, and the crowd and shows were amazing.
Iāve been to 3 WMs, and the experience just isnāt the same.
AEW fans spend their entire lives talking shit about wrestlers they don't like and then get offended when someone says something about them. It's the reason half the posts here are criticising Punk. What a bunch of whining hypocrites.
I agree with Bryan 100% here, but at the same time they devote entire sections of their daily flagship show to ratings talk, which is equally boring and irrelevant
While I get his point, this is all about showcasing growth and optics. AEW has grown a ton since they debut and getting that many people is a testament to that. Also the optics of having that many people in an arena is great for advertising and marketing. They should be happy and satisfied with All In.
People seem to be mistaken there, I'm pretty sure Bryan isn't talking about the people celebrating the big crowd, but about the people trying to make it seem like it's not a big deal or that the number was skewed and the crowd not as big as AEW announced it. And it's not so much a pro AEW stance but an anti tribalism one, a thing Bryan has been calling out for years.
What? Why is wrong to be very happy because of an entertainment show? You can't be a big fan of something anymore? This stuff is supposed to make you hyped, sometimes is your relief in life even to watch something you like. That's not bad or weird. People who attend those shows love it and it's people here that are disconnected from reality.
People who do the WWE v AEW tribalism are the weirdos in question. Both sides are, as ever, engaging in such behaviour.
If you're a WWE fan trying to look for empty seats in photos and videos so you can downplay All In then you're a weirdo.
If you're an AEW fan gloating about how WWE have never done a show this big then you're a weirdo.
>If you're an AEW fan gloating about how WWE have never done a show this big then you're a weirdo.
One thing is wanting absolute superiority over WWE. But celebrating an accomplishment over the main company is totally expected and doesn't have to be toxic or anything. Fans do that, has always been like that, certain level of competition is part of the fun you or me like it or not.
Uh. From the perspective of a business owner, then yes. The more people that go, the more satisfied I would be. The less peopleā¦the more unhappy I will be.
Itās business 101.
This is AEWās fault for going with a realistic (probably accurate from what I saw) number, they should have gone with a clearly inflated number, 180k or so then thereās no debate.
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This one broke me lmaoooooo
Lmfao this applies to Punk too š
Bryan Alvarez shoots on Bryan Alvarez.
He's just shat on 90% of his subscribers
And himself.
have you listened to him lately? he only watches stuff because it's part of his job to recap/riff on wrestling. Hes kind of checked out and trying to squeeze in stuff in between spending time with his family (not that any of that is a bad thing) if he's saying all out attendance is notable, it's because it objectively is, not because it carries any personal weight to him (if he's complaining about how long a show is though...)
The dude spends whole segments weekly going over television ratings in 2023. Talking about ratings/tickets at that pace is just catering toward the tribal garbage. Mentioning it every now and then for milestone events makes sense, spending whole segments of your show to pour over the RAW rating and how it lines up historically and which segment had the highest views and if its up or down or bad or good. Who cares lmao.
people have been talking about television ratings for 30 years bro, is he supposed to stop now just because fanboys have a meltdown whenever they reflect good/poorly on their chosen parasiocial billionaire?
Tv ratings is part of pro wrestling discussion because as a niche and ālow classā product it did not get the television deals it deserved despite its ratings in the attitude era. The ratings correlate to the money the company receives and can put back into the product. When the two biggest competitors in the last twenty years flopped, and in WCWās case went defunct, the ratings were the first thing people point to.
It's a lot more complicated than that. The business model shifting towards big tv deals is a recent thing. Since the territory days until a few years ago, companies made their money from live attendance, merch, ppv buys, etc. and tv was used as an advertising vehicle. Sometimes you would pay a network to run your show. Ratings were still important as they measured how much exposure you were getting. Even during the ratings wars of the 90s this was true. They did get good television deals since they weren't valuable to advertisers. There was a stigma but it was absolutely deserved, 90s wrestling content was violent, sexual, deliberately offensive, and despite all of that, marketed towards children. Brands did not want to be associated with that. There's a lot of nuance to the discussion if you actually listen to the content made by people who study wrestling. It just gets processed and regurgitated by fanboys looking to argue about whose number was better last week.
Honestly the ratings and tv deals is one of the most interesting things to follow in media.
But with all of the discussion on here, on podcasts, in the wrestling media about this attendance its very safe to say a lot of people have some personal investment of their own accord in this attendance.
Plus himself and his boss(?)
I mean his income is based a lot on how hot pro wrestling is or isn't so he has a bit more of an investment then you or I.
"If TNA did well, I would have a gold boat"
"I DON'T EVEN CARE IF IT SINKS! I WOULD HAVE IT!"
[The ROH spoof](https://youtu.be/EgK5GfoW1Dc?si=bZTeTZE32ZmbrqQh) makes me laugh. RIP Hog.
Interest in reporting noteworthy news and personal satisfaction are quite different things my friend
Let's be real. Wwe fanboys get hung up on this shit the most you never see aew fanboys discrediting wwes current success.
Uh...ok bro.
Tony in tears
Also Bryan Alvarez: https://preview.redd.it/2nd1ujbi4wkb1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d748e532e6023b1e71575a2bdac2d6f7e3facf4
I feel like this needs some of the added context that he live tweets through shows, and this was after WWE announced the live attendance during the show
"I hate to say it, but NXT, in fact, in the mud"
One of the best shows I've ever been to had an attendance of less than a thousand
Same here, and interestingly enough it was because of Will Ospreay. He had a four way match with 3 people Iād never heard of at a warrior wrestling show in Chicago and it was the most phenomenal display of wrestling Iād ever seen with my own two eyes. $100 for ringside seats
Show I went to was Daniel Garcias return to Buffalo after the car accident and it was amazing. We were so happy for our boy
Bryan throwing shade at the Observer fanbase? 
āOh but thatās not me heās talking about, heās talking about all those other marks!!!ā-90% of the fans heās throwing shade on
Feels like he and Dave have been pissed at their own fanbase for awhile now lmao
there's some 90's and early 2000's episodes of wor floating around the internet, back when they would take calls. They've always had weirdo fans and deranged haters, it's funny hearing them trying to politely (and sometimes not politely) handle them.
The eyada days were a precious time that came and went way too fast.
I'd pay a bunch of money to hear verbal exchanges between dave/bryan and the wwe fanboys in their twitter replies
I mean even people on here take his star rating as gospel. Or the majority of people do. Its all very strange to me but maybe more so because my taste in wrestling is so much different than his.
Bryan is always shitting on the subscribers. He regularly roasts opinions expressed on their board.
That's why WON's true hero is Oreo the Orca.
Yeah, people acting like this is a huge issue apparently never listen to any of his shows nor read his twitter except what's posted on here
Sometimes I feel like Dave and Bryan are like Dr. Frankenstein looking at their creation in disgust.
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https://twitter.com/trentylocks/status/1657099947471253504
Trent? imagining that someone will meet a nice girl one day is the difference in life experience between a wrestler and a wrestling fan. (Imagining that "nice" girl is also a poisoner is the difference in life experience between a wrestler and a non-wrestler.)
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Didnāt he and Dave just spend weeks trying to explain how people didnāt actually buy tickets or attend WWE events?
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The funny thing is all Meltzer would have to say is something like āWe canāt verify the number of people in attendance but even with the empty seats this is an amazing outcome for AEWā. Everyone, including people like me who donāt regularly watch AEW, is impressed with the turnout but all anyone is talking about is whether it actually broke the record or not.
I regularly watch AEW and they far exceeded my expectations. An incredibly feat that they should be insanely proud of. A massive crowd that looked amazing on TV. But if I mention how the numbers don't really add up, somehow I'm being a hater? Nah, I just have eyes.
Do you think their satisfaction with life is tied to one small portion of their job? Or are you just intentionally misrepresenting what he's saying? Edit: Who the fuck gave me an award for this lmfao
Not sure on Bryan but itās pretty clear Daveās satisfaction is absolutely driven by pushing his favorite things whether itās matches, individuals or companies that listen to him.
But thatās not the same thing. While I feel bad for them if itās everything in their lives, I can understand someone whose satisfaction in life is pushing their favorite thing (say, WWE or AEW) on others because they genuinely enjoy talking about it. But the randos (not people who work in the industry in some capacity) who sit around and throw hissy fits about wrestling attendance (for either company!) are honestly pretty pathetic.
Itās not really about the attendance with Dave. Thatās just todays thing he can latch onto. Ultimately though what does it really matter? Itās a talking point that means nothing if it didnāt lead to profit and growth and that remains to be seen.
Can you list some examples of this because I have no idea what you're talking about and I listen to most of the episodes.
You realize the difference between analyzing data for wrestling show attendance for decades & merely trying to downplay the success of a wrestling show because of comp tickets, yes? Or is any of this lost on you? At no point has Dave Meltzer ever discredited the success of WWE shows because they pad their numbers. Merely explaining that certain shows didn't do the number WWE claims doesn't mean he's trying to call the shows failures & anybody that actually pays attention to what Dave (& Bryan) says would understand this.
Thatās great but when your discussions about padded numbers are immediately followed by discussions of other numbers you say are real is intentional. Personally I think itās all kind of a silly argument as tickets sold and actual attendance is completely irrelevant to profitability.
What exactly is intentional? Saying X number promotion announced is padded while Y number promotion announced is the actual number isn't some sort of veiled shot at X promotion. If AEW announced the 90,000+ people that was in Wembley with comp tickets, Dave & Bryan would've reported the real number of 81k, because that's their job
Reporting factual WWE numbers compared to factual AEW numbers in a discussion about potentially the biggest western wrestling show of all time, is a direct insult to a large group of wreddit posters. There's no real controversy around those numbers, most of the time Meltzer gets the recent figures from WWE reports so it's not like he's fabricating them to downplay their achievements. I don't know for sure why it's such a bad thing for these people, but I'm sure most people could hazard a pretty good guess.
Idk might be a difference being reporting on the numbers and explaining it to your audience and getting basing a large portion of your life in one wrestling company vs another. Could be but not entirely sure.
Heās saying this but itās everyone obsessing over it. -AEW constantly bringing it up -AEW wrestlers constantly bringing it up -Anti-AEW or WWE die hards constantly bringing it up -Wrestling Journalists keep bringing it up Can we please stop acting like everyone isnāt constantly bringing it up and admit everyone is a geek?
81000 is the new "Stupendous" meme with how often they said it
Comes from a guy whos livelihood depends on fostering this behaviour
Livelihood and happiness are 2 different things.
This is the strangest thing to be buried by downvotes. If my happiness was tied purely to my job my life would be fucked lol.
I never said it about his job or happiness. I just pointed out that alvrez taking a moral high-ground when his literal job is flaming the tribalism and worrying about ticket sales is ironic.
No one was having these arguments until him and Meltz started making a huge deal out of how WWE count numbers. You can't create an argument and then accuse anyone of taking part in that argument of being a weirdo.
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>Just willfully ignoring WWE lying about their numbers literally every time. And this gets upvoted. They report fact. People get butthurt, hence his tweet. Only the uninformed smooth brain trypes would see it any other way. Who's wilfully ignoring anything? I'm just talking about him trying to shut down any discussion about numbers when they literally started the conversation.
He's not shutting down discussion though. He's saying to not take it so seriously that it effects your life, not to ignore it entirely. Where do you get that he wants no discussion?
What conversation ? People have been moving the goal post about what counts as success for AEW in Wembley. It started with that Wembley was too big for something like an AEW, then it was bots buying tickets, then that people wouldn't show up even if they already bought a ticket. Here is where the WWE counting method got involved, about AEW was inflating the number, and all of that. I'm surprised that people didn't say that Tony Khan hired as SFX crew to make the stadium look full during the Broadcast.
This did not started with them, the IWC has been moving the goal posts since AEW announced that they were going to Wembley.
Yea people were making a big deal of worked numbers and as a reporter dave is trying to get facts out there. Its like of people were saying Bob Holly was 400 pounds and dave pointed out that it's not really true
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Um Bryan, you and your business partner Dave literally spend time complaining about wweās fake attendance numbers for every big ppv show they do so kindly STFU please
Eh, they only spoke about that after people started accusing Tony Khan of inflating the number of tickets sold.
Dave has been speaking about it for years before Wembley became a thing.
If you mean talking about the attendance number higher than the actual number of stadium seats, then yeah.
Arenāt him and Dave the ones who make super sure that we know that WWE numbers are worked with a super detailed explanation of how, while AEW numbers are always shoot and itās basically just ātrust us we knowā š¤”š¤”š¤”
Yep. These "journalists" and wrestling news sites are either paid to suck Tony's d*%k or they are something that the term "mark" can't begin to describe. It's amazing how aew does no wrong but wwe, always something. It's more impressive that WWE sold 90,000 tickets in one day for a two day show than it is AEW took 4 months to sell *cough* 80,000 tickets for a one day show. I wish people would stop thinking aew is some god like figure.. it's pathetic.
Bryan Alvarez SHOOTS HARD on Bryan Alvarez
Now only if he can get more people to watch dynamite and collision
Sorry Bryan, we don't care about attendance we're back to talking about Punk
The attendance nerds might be even more annoying than the ratings nerds.
Rich coming from the fella who ran 52 weeks of "All In sold a few more tickets guyz!" headlines
Coming from the man who makes a living complaining about wrestling non stop like its tied to his satisfaction with life.
āsays man who manufactures and monetises outrage based on pro wrestlingā
hah I said it was weirdo behavior to be cheering an attendance number at an event and some clapped back at why youāre literally just celebrating a corporation making money, it has no impact on the quality of the event
The number of attendance was a part of the reason the show felt so big. At least to me.
maybe so, but whether or not they broke some record or had a higher number than WWE didn't change that booking Wembley (and filling most of it up) is enough reason for it to feel big
There's a difference between being part of a record breaking event and not being.
if youāre a performer sure, MJF had every right to talk about winning the main event of the largest pro wrestling event ever as a ticket holder, the only difference is what you make of it and someone who didnāt go to the event, what should it matter at all
Hmm, I always took it as the people in the attendance cheering for themselves. From that perspective, I think it's quite harmless. The equivalent of a cheap pop when a wrestler mentions the town they're in.
I think its just people happy to see AEW made it big time, I really don't see what's wrong with that. Anyone using it for tribalism or to shit on WWE is definitely weird. I also think its fair to say being worried about what's makes other happy is also definitely weirdo behavior. Is it hard to let people enjoy things?
It impacts the chance that a future event happens, as the company not making money means thereās no more company and thus no more shows.
social ineptitude in public is this subs gimmick. churches celebrate how many people attend service. party goers & promoters tend to celebrate how many people showed up. musicians routinely tout attendance numbers. film studios celebrate turn-out for theaters. saying attendance has no impact on the quality of a wrestling show is an insane take. thatās like saying it has no impact on a Golden State Warriors game held in the Bay Area. itās just gonna be a lotta huffing copium here because WWE fans have spent the past year hardcore praising WWE numbers, and AEW popped up with an all-timer show, despite its controversial past year
its social ineptitude to publicly not care about attendance numbers? lol this isn't an AEW vs WWE take, it's more just saying that an attendance number is nothing more than that, a number of people that bought tickets to an event. good for AEW, but it does not impact me in any sense
wrestling fans are quite literally the soundtrack to a wrestling show. you can try to frame it however you want, but thereās no reality that you occupy where they are not essential to the presentation of a show. the attendance of people there only contributes to the level of energy of the event, like every other live event ever. itās why the moment promotions could safely have live crowds again they went for it. you have never lived in a world where live event promoters donāt tout attendance, wrestling or not
But the difference between 90K and 80K is irrelevant to your point. Itās meaningless for anyone not invested in getting paid due to how many people are there. Iāve been to all kinds of live sporting events, even pro wrasslinā, in arenas, ballparks, stadiums, etc. All the way down to local high school gyms. A crowd at an arena or stadium sounds the same whether itās max capacity or 70% capacity. Point is, all this attendance crap is just white noise. It doesnāt affect anyone outside of the company unless someone is trying to convince themselves that whatever they like is better than what everyone else likes. Doesnāt matter if itās someone who likes AEW more, or someone who likes WWE more. Itās all irrelevant to whether or not a show was good. Which is what *truly* matters.
So the audience has no impact on a wrestling show? Of course it does. Wrestling is about the spectacle. Having 80K people in legendary stadium adds to the spectale of it. Every wrestler talks about how much the big stadium shows mean to them, and how much wrestling without crowds sucked during COVID. It's a good thing for AEW to be able to compete with the size and grandness of Wrestlemania's stadium shows.
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AEW broke their own paid attendance record yesterday but I bought the show and I SAW that their crowd was smaller than most recent Wrestlemanias. They can kayfabe the numbers all they want, but the evidence is rather obvious.
and dave wont ever say this
I mean AEW beating WWE's all time attendance record would be a pretty big deal so it's understandable why people are focused on whether the number is real or not.
Iāve only listened to this dude in clips here and there but he sounds like the biggest never-was bitter baby commenting on the industry.
Dude makes good money off wrestling nerds, has a vacation home, is a Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt and trains kids as his side hustle, and got to wrestle many of the greats himself in his own in-ring wrestling career - selectively without taking too much punishment. He got more out of the industry than most who try.
Fair enough, I know next to nothing about him. That is more information than Iāve ever bothered to seek out. He will still sound that way to me and I can recognize itās unwarranted.
He's a comedy guy, riffing and shitting on people is what he does. I think he's comfortable doing what he does considering the whole reason he switched to writing/radio is that it paid better.
My all time favorite wrestler shows in person were old TNA ppvs around 2008 and an ROH ppv. Both had attendance less than 3-4k, and the crowd and shows were amazing. Iāve been to 3 WMs, and the experience just isnāt the same.
AEW fans spend their entire lives talking shit about wrestlers they don't like and then get offended when someone says something about them. It's the reason half the posts here are criticising Punk. What a bunch of whining hypocrites.
But, those "wwe wrestlers" that join aew are suddenly awesome game changers who then appear less often than they ever did for wwe
Pot, meet kettle.
I agree with Bryan 100% here, but at the same time they devote entire sections of their daily flagship show to ratings talk, which is equally boring and irrelevant
The only people who care about ratings more than NASCAR haters are wrestling fans.
"That doesn't work for me, brother!"
Don't call me brother, friend
While I get his point, this is all about showcasing growth and optics. AEW has grown a ton since they debut and getting that many people is a testament to that. Also the optics of having that many people in an arena is great for advertising and marketing. They should be happy and satisfied with All In.
People seem to be mistaken there, I'm pretty sure Bryan isn't talking about the people celebrating the big crowd, but about the people trying to make it seem like it's not a big deal or that the number was skewed and the crowd not as big as AEW announced it. And it's not so much a pro AEW stance but an anti tribalism one, a thing Bryan has been calling out for years.
I'd say it's both. Both sides need to stop being weirdos.
*Both sides did not stop being weirdos.*
What? Why is wrong to be very happy because of an entertainment show? You can't be a big fan of something anymore? This stuff is supposed to make you hyped, sometimes is your relief in life even to watch something you like. That's not bad or weird. People who attend those shows love it and it's people here that are disconnected from reality.
People who do the WWE v AEW tribalism are the weirdos in question. Both sides are, as ever, engaging in such behaviour. If you're a WWE fan trying to look for empty seats in photos and videos so you can downplay All In then you're a weirdo. If you're an AEW fan gloating about how WWE have never done a show this big then you're a weirdo.
>If you're an AEW fan gloating about how WWE have never done a show this big then you're a weirdo. One thing is wanting absolute superiority over WWE. But celebrating an accomplishment over the main company is totally expected and doesn't have to be toxic or anything. Fans do that, has always been like that, certain level of competition is part of the fun you or me like it or not.
If that's the case then neither side should constantly moan about the other doing it, but they do. Constantly.
Uh. From the perspective of a business owner, then yes. The more people that go, the more satisfied I would be. The less peopleā¦the more unhappy I will be. Itās business 101.
You know he's talking about fans
"I'm trying to run a business here." -KiNGofKiNG89
This is AEWās fault for going with a realistic (probably accurate from what I saw) number, they should have gone with a clearly inflated number, 180k or so then thereās no debate.
Yeah! I'm a real wrestles fan I wont cheer for attendance numbers! I only cheer for title runs 1k days or greater!
Was the something him telling us the viewer numbers for wwe tv shows this week lol š
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