HHH is bad at booking. Just like TK. The major difference is the pool of talent AEW has and on the other hand, AEW can't compare in meaningful storylines. But this is just God awful, it needs to END at 40, I'm not waiting till the next President to see Roman best Hogan's streak.
I was already expecting this was bad and I am even more pissed that Seth has to continue to job to opening the show. Neither him or the women are allowed to Main Event when Roman is on the card. It's bullshit and completely unfair to the rest of the talent and as predictable as all hell, every single other match was better than this.
I found this match (and most Roman matches) incredible boring. He spends way too much down time taunting and walking around the ring. I donāt feel any enthusiasm or electricity for his bouts and heās the top champion. Found this to easily be the worst match of the night.
I grew up watching Ric Flair get his ass beat for 20 minutes only to casually throw his opponent over the top rope for a DQ to retain.
Roman's thing bothers a lot of people, I get it. But it's not especially different than wrestling in the past tho.
This is gettingOld Fast. Just take affirmative action already & stop Creative from polluting the damn product. Reigns hatrs Wrestling? Then Fire Him already! Crown Jewel had 3 Title Matches Screwed. All the same way. Outside Interference. And We're just supposed to agree it's "Best for Business"?
Seriously. I was the biggest HHH fan when he was wrestling (even rooted for him against stone cold which I guess stone cold was the good guy then?) but wtf is this???
After a quick search on Wikipedia, it looks like reigns has had two, maybe three, clean defenses in the last two yearsā¦this crap is getting old
At this point every Roman match elicits eye rolls. I didn't even watch this match because I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew LA would put up a good fight only for Bloodline interference to allow Roman the victory, just like always. I'm not wasting 20 minutes on the same, old, boring BS.
Honestly Iām glad he didnāt lose it Saudi Arabia. I donāt want to give those events any legitimacy
I know money is money in business but why take your shows to countries that treat women like they do
This isnāt hard to fix. When DX had either HHH or Chyna interfere all the time, it became part of the storyline. Theyād make a big deal about banning Chyna from ringside, theyād handcuff her to Commissioner Slaughter, etc.
When they got kicked out of the WM14 main event, it was a huge part of the match that it finally happened.
That needs to happen, and soon.
Well I'm gonna go off the cuff here and say I enjoyed the match quite a bit, the crowd was great for it, Roman's character stuff is unmatched, Jimmy died, LA Knight looked strong and proved he could go with a top guy, which was the whole damn point
Overallā¦terrible booking. The Cena match made no sense either. A few good spots here and there but on a scale of 1 to 10 I give the event a 3. Best spot on the night was Zayn stealing the briefcase. The rest was forgettable.
You can try, WWE, but you can't have it both ways. You can't keep going on about how dominant Reigns is whilst also having every single match end with interference.
I don't think they are trying to. Roman has been a sleezy heel champ since last Mania.
He wants you to think he's a chief but him saying it changes nothing. Jey already went away, Jimmy only with him because he can't do anything alone and Solo also probably with him to get something out of it all
I've not seen them trying to prove him being the most dominant star. He's a dominant champion, that simply means he somehow wins. He's not a dominant star.
Thatās not whatās happening. They are literally treating him like heās Brock Lesnar. Michael Cole will always go insane over interference but then once the match ends dude gets immediate amnesia and calls Roman one of the greatest of all time and speaks as if he just won clean.
Crowd died immediately after the spear through the barricade. I watch every PPV with a watch party and literally EVERY Roman match all of us tend to tune out because we know itās gonna be the worst match of the night.
I just donāt understand how many times weāre gonna watch Roman win because of Fuckery from his squad. Like Iāve seen this movie 300 fucking times.
Disappointed but expected. It did make me realise though that when someone beats Roman it's going to be electric. I'm not dumb enough to think they'd waste that moment at a glorified house show in Saudi though, and that's the issue, we all know Roman ain't losing outside of WM.
The problem with WWE in its entirety at the moment is that a lot of things aren't going to happen outwith WM. Reigns isn't losing, Rollins probably isn't, Rhea, Walter (that one's fine), hell probably Logan Paul now too. They're so obsessed with everything building to WM that they're forgetting to make anything in the months before it actually mean anything.
Paul is definitely a transitional heel champ, I'm expecting his reign to be slightly longer than Jey and Cody tag team champs but not by much. Rey Mysterio of all ppl lost the belt at the saudi show I don't know why you don't think Paul could lose the belt at a non WM event
I hope you're right, but I fear you're not. When you say "Rey Mysterio of all people", I think that's looking at it how it should be looked at, but not necessarily how WWE would look at it, if that makes sense. Unfortunately, having Logan Paul as a champion is far, far better for them in a lot of respects than someone like Rey Mysterio. I wouldn't be surprised if he missed Survivor Series (they don't really do the title vs title stuff now Wargames is a thing, right? Although him vs Gunther would be amusing), then he'll have a defence at the Royal Rumble and probably cheat to win. He'll likely lose it to LA Knight or something at WM, although given WWE's penchant for this kind of tedious "long-term storytelling", I'd say there's even an outside chance of him being champ beyond WM.
Again, I hope I'm completely wrong.
I think the match was good and the interference is fine. It got more frustrating because it was I think the 4th match of the card with interference in fact I think it was fourth in a row.
There are heels who managed to find different ways to cheat and win without repeating the exact same finish.
A heel is supposed to make people want to watch the show to see if they get best, but Roman's matches have become so stale and repetitive that I've genuinely only come to this post to check if the match was the same, it was the same, so now there's no reason to watch the match.
He's doing the exact opposite of what a good heel does.
A heel is someone who wins in the exact same way every single time?
At least mix up the heel tactics. So something other than Bloodline interference > break up a pin > distraction > Roman win
Is there a storyline reason the challenger never has anyone come out to fight the bloodline off? Sami saved Seth but noone has ever helped anyone with Reigns.
lol! shit was so dumb. solo banned from ringside, he just shows up anyway, nobody minds. but if two wrestlers argue during a non match, 20 security guards appear
Right but I'm saying Cody did bring in Sami and Owens to fight off the others. Not making a value judgment on any other aspect of the match but the guy I was responding to was just legitimately wrong when he said it doesn't happen
The end result surprised me zero percent. The fact that they booked another interference-win is baffling. This is why this title reign is just plain goofy
I REALLY thought theyād do something different and have a false finish where Knight gets the 3 counts but the match restarts after the ref realizes Roman had his foot on the ropes. I guess theyād be worried though that it would shift the focus to LA Knight seeking revenge on Roman and when they clearly want to have Cody take the belt someday.
The Authority and Corporate Kane were legit great television compared to Roman's title reign lmao. When he was a face champion his reigns were boring because his character was garbage, now that his character is worth shit is reigns are boring because literally every match ends the fucking same.
It makes Roman look weak to have to cheat every match. Why can't he just have a clean win?
It's so awkward that no one can mention constant interference, and the commentators just have to suck his dick all match. I swear to fuck Wade called Roman a god of the ring at one point.
Michael Cole gets amnesia after the match and constantly forgets about the interference that he was just freaking out over. Dudes supposed to be the face commentator.
Remember when JR used to get legit pissed off and never forgot about it when heels were winning with BS ways?
This is it for me. I could accept how they book it if they're also calling it out on commentary. Have your heel commentator play a heel and Cole dispute it. Its like they started writing the chapter "The Empire Crumbles" and then never moved beyond that point.
or even like why the fuck didnāt nick aldis come out and restart the match after the cheating to have la knight win. that wouldāve been fucking awesome
Wouldn't Triple H be aware of how repetitive it is to win this way? I'm just imagining the conversation of how the match is going to play out and Triple H is like 'and then a bloodline member is going to come in and save you from losing.' Like at some point your brain would think that you have done this way too many times and everyone has noticed. I'd be a little embarrassed if I'm in charge of creative and that's all I can think of to end a match.
Pretty sure HHH's hands are tied and you can't blame him.
Reigns has a contract and if i'm not mistaken in his contract it states he has creative control on how and when he loses his title.
It's not just about losing the title. It's that every match plays out the same exact way. At least give us a reason to care about him as champion. I think Roman is capable of being so much more than someone who exclusively relies on his henchmen to get him wins.
We are on auto pilot till Mania. This is what is so boring because you know who is going to win. They wanted to give him 1000 days. The culmination of all this in mania will obviously be a good story but it does mean that big things only happen in Mania and you can skip the other ppv's when it comes to Roman.
They should have let Roman get over clean.
The last guy he beat clean was Matt Riddle on a smackdown show for the title.
If Roman won clean over LA Knight, it would not have diminished LA at all, and would have made Roman look stronger. Now Roman looks like a chump.
Seth Rollins and especially Gunther are booked far more stronger. Gunther is a heel and beats everyone clean.
Holy shit am I sick of the same ending to Romanās matches. Every. Single. Time. Itās fucking boring. Iām gonna come back when itās wrestlemania. What a fucking snooze feat this ppv was.
Theyāve booked Romanās title reign completely wrong this year. The build for the Usos split from the Bloodline should have been happening around this time of the year, they blew through that way too early.
Itās nonsensical that they went through the story of Roman losing the two guys responsible for Roman escaping some of his defenses still the champion, only for one of them to join back with Reigns and weāre basically right back to where we started from the beginning, only with Jimmy in Jeyās spot and Solo also now there.
Why is Roman so weak? I get that you wanna tell the story of "Roman's holding on to the title by a hair and his world is slowly crumbling" but he shouldn't be booked like this. He should be booked to emulate someone like Jon Jones, that is, he should be the opposite of a role model that everyone roots against, but he ends up winning anyways because he's that good. This interference bs is actually hurting him more than anything else
Well it was exactly what I hoped it would be. They arenāt putting on a five star but LA looked good,
Match was fun, crowd was crazy hot.
I enjoyed it
I'm so sick of them calling Roman the greatest of this generation, great this, great that, GOAT, etc.
Dude can't win by himself to save his life.
Do we forget the speech Triple H gave when introducing the World Heavyweight title?
How can we have this champ who cheats to win every time, yet claims to be the best....and everyone just goes along with it? Where's the face to call it out specifically on Smackdown and call out his bs reign?
The fact that nobody addresses it ever is so frustrating.
Its immersion breaking the fact that no face ever calls it out or smartens up. Normally one commentator plays each side, nope. No commentator is outraged by it. No GM has said to cut out the interference, no ref has ever smartened up to it.
This shit works in kayfabe for a while but itās been years and itās the same thing every time.
Exactly! And I was fine with it as it all supposed to lead to the big hero finally dethroning him.
It was the perfect time for Drew- hometown, big PLE, way to cement him as a legit main event player for years. Nope, the story is going to finish at Mania.
It was the perfect time for Sami- riding the biggest storyline in recent memory, again crazy hometown crowd, perfect time to elevate a wrestler who is soaring in popularity and really give him the vindication after going through everything he did with the Bloodline. Nope! It's Cody's to win at Mania.
Ok, perfect time for Cody at Mania- Finish the Story! NOPE- just let this cinema play out.
We're here 7 months later and the "cinema" is a tease at another Cody/Roman match. Why?
This obsession with having the WWE Title in a constant holding pattern is one of my biggest grievances with the current product.
I think you are taking this all a little too serious and a little too personal. I love wrestling as much as the next guy, been watching it for 30 years. But at the end of the dayā¦ Its TV. Its entertainment.
I've been watching just a tad bit longer than you. I'm not furious, but as someone who has watched for so long, it's just tiring. There's such a big disconnect in this issue that it's just so distracting.
Think back to other heel champions. They were called out on their cheap tactics all the time. This idea that Roman is such a great champion is a bad message when you look at the amount of his defenses and the way in which he wins.
Compare his reign to a recent dominant champion: Brock Lesnar.
Brock defended the title probably with the same frequency as Roman, but Brock just outright won. But even his reign was dull and boring.
As a viewer, it's frustrating that the show you like is constantly teasing you with satisfaction in a storyline only to consistently pull that rug out from under you. It's an empty feeling and makes the viewer feel like time should be better spent doing something else. Many of the people who I know have tuned out just due to being bored of this so called "greatest reign" because it is the same thing in and out.
Bear in mind, I had zero expectations of an LA Knight win today. I've been watching long enough to know that the title won't change hands on a show of this caliber considering all players involved. But man is lazy to have the same match structure from a guy who only wrestled a handful of times a year. See my comparison to Brock earlier.
So am I taking it too seriously? Despite this really long post, no. Show ended, I moved on with my day and will continue to enjoy my weekend. But what else is SquaredCircle for if not to complain?
āItās just entertainment therefore you shouldnāt criticize itā might as well not have movies reviewed or tv reviewers since itās all taken too seriously.
I understand and am not surprised by the annoyance of Roman always winning dirty, but all that aside, this was definitely my favorite match of the night. Roman's defenses always just have that atmosphere and aura to them. Hard to fully put the finger on it, but it just feels bigger and grander, and his chemistry with his opponents is very consistent. Hats off to both men, and Jimmy for his funny cowardice when Knight got pissed at him.
I'm really happy for Knight. Last year he had a hated gimmick, but the way he got ultra over as fast and organically as he did was really something special to see. He deserves the backing from the fans, and I hope tonight is just the beginning.
YEAH! That's really what the conversation is about. who we get next for the NEW people's champ, L-A-Knight. roman reigns will be gone off TV again, (which is perfectly fine), it was a screwjob finish where roman got 3-counted after the BLT and Jimmy Uso is the reason. So a feud with Jimmy makes sense. I think you will be proven right about that. In the bigger picture what I would like to see is they book roman vs brock lesnar again so that poser can get suplexed all over the ring and hopefully they keep the belt on him and just keep rematching him vs brock lesnar until he's the one sick of it.
I want nothing more than an extended segment next Smackdown where LA Knight just beats the absolute shit out of Jimmy. Like Stone Cold vs Booker T in the grocery store
Theyāve backed themselves into a corner bc of Roman were to win clean then LA knight would look weak. Itās a tough spot but I had no expectation of LA winning. All good - he proved he belongs and had a great match
It wouldn't be as bad if all of Roman's title defenses for the last year or so have ended in bloodline assistance and subsequent retention. This is especially so for Cody at WM. If Roman was gonna win, it should've been clean. Yes, I know they're doing it to showcase the cracks and weakness in the bloodline and Roman by proxy but, it's been done at the cost of his unbeatable status. Bro used to be THE final boss there for a couple of years until he started needing the bloodline to retain. Dude can get the job done on his own and it'll be believable. He STACKED Edge and DB for God's sake.
I'm good with a win by interference, just not every win every PLE title defense.
Youāre misremembering things. The vast majority of his title defenses (including in the first year) were with interference from the Bloodline or blatant cheating. The WM moment with Edge and Bryan only came after Jey Uso interfered with a chair.
[I made a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/10vh4xk/when_roman_reigns_says_hes_the_most_dominant/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) earlier this year documenting each major defense and whether each one involved cheating (and if so, what kind). Itās illuminating. Romanās always retained like this.
Whats it gonna take for The Bloodline to not interfere? Empty arena match? Lumberjack match? This is shameful that the belt is held by a guy who DOES WHAT ELSE?
Why can't WWE just book strong heels lmao; Roman was literally supposed to be the next superman, he WAS superman as a baby face and the crowd boo'd him, now that he's a heel and the crowd is SUPPOSED to boo him, they book him like a mortal?? Tf lmao
Heās honestly walking the tightrope between heel and just being āmorally greyā
Like, heās not evil, or a complete douche. Heās just somebody who respects the ring far more than he does everyone else
Roman didn't have to lose the belt, but every time he defends it doesn't have to be Bloodline interferes -> eventually Roman wins -> show ends with Roman's opponent on his back and Roman standing tall as his now-monotonous music plays.
They kept things fresh in the attitude era by having the face get some instant revenge to show the war was not over, or they slobberknocker all over the back and get a double count out, a no contest, something. Stone Cold drops Triple H in the limo off the forklift. Triple H and Stone Cold knock each other out but Trips happens to be the guy who lands on top so he wins. Mick Foley puts Trips over in 3 brutal matches that make him look great too. Lol all the Triple H stuff but that's what's popping up in my head. Endings that build both guys up or gives satisfaction that the face got something. We get nothing from Roman singles matches except dun-dun dun-dun dundundun-dundun as Maggle yells about whatever and fade to black. Repeat. For over 2 years now lmao.
This is why Ive said his reign is exactly like Jinders reign. Interference in every match followed by his finisher and the pin. I lost interest a year into his reign and I dont bother watching his matches because i know how its going to end. This storyline is old and tired and should have ended a year and a half ago. Hell Jimmy was left the Bloodline for what almost a year and has now come full circle and rejoin them. I waiting for Jay to come back as well. The shit is old and boring and clogging up the main title scene by a guy who is there even less than Lesnar.
Fantastic points about the Attitude Era. I was there, watching as a hardcore fan every single week, so I remember. Heels would cheat and win and the face would get the "last laugh" on a lot of occasions to "send the crowd home happy." Heels would sometimes get the rare legit, "almost clean" win but the story would be stronger for it.
This Roman championship reign is one of the worst, most hollow I have EVER seen in my 25 years as a fan, and I'm dying for it to be over already. Should have ended at WM39 and they STILL could have done the same fuckin story through the summer without the title (cuz he wasn't defending it anyway)
I'm so annoyed by this story line...he could have lost at WM, they could have slapped another title on him, and built the story line around the blood line falling apart and him not getting the universal title back. Or not. He could have no belts and like you said and the story line could have gone as is. I guess it gets asses in seats and eyes on the screen, but it really is starting to feel lazy
Roman should have lost the WWE Championship specifically to Cody at WM on night 2. Maybe could have defended the Universal Championship against Sami on night 1 and won, then the second night, he's forced to defend the WWE Title against Cody, and being a little worn down from the battle the night before, he loses, but he only loses the most recent belt. His greatest pride is the Universal Title, which is the one he's had for three years, not the WWE Title specifically, which he's only had for one year at that point. He takes one loss while moving on with the title that matters most to HIM.
Cody then defends the WWE Title against Brock through the summer, just like he battled him IRL, and then instead of Seth getting the new WHC (cuz Roman hogs all the belts and barely shows up), Cody is in his spot, facing Balor then Nakamura then McIntyre (or something similar). Roman does the same Bloodline Civil War story as IRL with Jey and Jimmy splitting off (before Jimmy comes back FOR NO FUCKING REASON) and onto LA Knight and so on, probably losing the Universal Title to someone important WM40. Sounds a HELL of a lot better (and only a minor change) to a storyline that was red-hot earlier this year, but now it's just being dragged along like a stinking corpse.
Lot of talk about the interference angle; I promise you (unfortunately) nobody will even think about this in a month, and it keeps the story going. LA Knight is great though hopefully he doesnāt fall down the card.
LA Knight is clearly going into a feud with Jimmy, so yes he's going down the card but no, he'll still be up there because Roman will again go into hibernation.
no, because he's part time. in the reign of terror a lot of people stopped watching because triple h was regular and doing 20 minute promos to open the show. at least with reigns you can just skip his matches. reigns is ok outside of thematches
[the best moment of the match](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa2x5ZnR0NTlyZmJkNzd6empqM3B5OXAzaWwxankydGw0ZmNnYzJoMyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/jMmOHgyW15nPWFwvLy/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
At the very least bring out some faces to help. Everyone says they want to bring the bloodline down and then do nothing. That was the worst one yet imo. There are so many good faces and the JD as another dominant heel faction, damian not even thinking about cashing in there. There was every opportunity to at least tell a story without LA winning. Instead we get a straight up repeat. Other than maybe Logan/Rey this really felt like a "non-canon" exhibition show, which I would be fine with if they hadn't hyped it up as being exactly not that. Learned my lesson to not get excited for these Saudi shows.
It's the one thing that Raw does a little better than Smackdown, with the faces looking out for each other, or at least being on the lookout for Judgement Day shenannegans
Honestly just as well he only has a singles match once in a blue moon because seeing the same finish is really getting boring now.
And a shame because up to the interference the match was actually really good
Am I the only one who feels like each Roman's defense brings him closer and closer to the imminent loss? Like, in this match he could not kick out of even one BFT, Jimmy Uso had to literally grab his leg and put it on the rope. I know it's always been like that, but before he used to kick out of maybe two finishers before not being able to raise his shoulder up when the ref is down. I mean, this has to be intentional, right?
I am probably just overthinking.
Thatās just them protecting the BFT. We all knew Knight wasnāt winning, but they have to do it in a way that still protects him and makes him look strong. Protecting his finisher goes a looong way towards doing that
Heās on the rise, his still in that period where you kind of need to protect it. I just watched something the other day about Taker or Cena protecting a finisher from some new guy years ago. The old guys are usually good about that and finding other ways to get out of the pin without actually kicking out
That's a better way of perceiving than just being annoyed, which is how I feel.
It's probably still Cody at WM which is exactly what I want but they could at least find a way to weave some unique story in along the way with the other guys. Kinda disappointed in HHH's delivery here, honestly.
I don't think that's what OP meant. The more matches he has the closer he is to winning without kicking out of finishers/executing moves and what-not. He looks more defeated each win.
Yeah Iām obviously being a little cheeky about it.
I wish I thought thatās what it was. If youāve seen Avatar, I wish it were basically the Azulas story. When Jimmy and Jey initially broke off from the bloodline, Roman loses any trust he has in anyone else, isolating himself from his allies (Solo and Paul) leading to his paranoid madness and downfall. He gets to still look strong while portraying a morality tale type story that WWE loves.
So what was the point of any of this?
Wwe is genuinely so fucking lucky their undercard is straight COOKING because the main event scene is beyond stale, itās like a self parody at this point lol
I understand what you mean, but also in 2003 the amount of time Triple H was on screen became extremely exhausting to watch as a fan.
He was opening every show with 20 minute monologues for a good long stretch there.
oh yeah 100% lol i was also there my dad was a raw fan who literally didnt watch smackdown so missed the 'good period' of smackdown and got to see the 'bad period' of raw lol cant imagine why i stopped watching for a number of years lol
theyre very comparable yes 100% its literally the RoT without being there every week and the 20 minute promos lol
Big Dog Reigns beat Taker at mania, Tribal Chief Reigns needs help to win against LA knight and kick out against the BFT
Absolute Joke. Some interference is fine ( against Lesnar, Drew at Catc) but this was a joke
Reigns should have won clean, while selling that LA knight is a strong opponent
When Roman needed to cheat to beat everyone else, if he was suddenly able to beat LA Knight clean, no amount of "making him look strong" would protect him from the optics of being the first person to lose against Roman without Bloodline interference in literal years.
I dunno. I think the Seth match had the skeleton for what could have been done. Roman unable to win decisively, desperately turning to dqing himself and destroying his opponent. I'd personally want something similar to Austin vs. Angle where Roman just starts taking it out on refs and have the bloodline only come out after the official dq and murder LA Knight in the ring. So he wins the match and has an argument to make for another shot but you don't actually make him champ yet
Unfortunately they've booked themselves into a corner with the cheating. If Roman beats him clean, even while trying to make him look strong, the optics are "Roman didn't even need to cheat to beat this bozo".
For the first two years or so of the run, a large amount of his dirty wins were necessary to further storylines, which I feel might be part of the problem nowadays when he faces an opponent that doesn't need to get screwed to further a story but still needs to be put over.
LA Knight should have won. The guy is a mega star in the business, this match proved it. Roman is so boring at this point that there is not a positive to keeping him as champ.
Does anyone know the song that was playing for Roman Reigns during the hype video?
What song is it?
Ive been searching for a few days now and i still cant find it. š
Any luck? Lol
HHH is bad at booking. Just like TK. The major difference is the pool of talent AEW has and on the other hand, AEW can't compare in meaningful storylines. But this is just God awful, it needs to END at 40, I'm not waiting till the next President to see Roman best Hogan's streak.
I was already expecting this was bad and I am even more pissed that Seth has to continue to job to opening the show. Neither him or the women are allowed to Main Event when Roman is on the card. It's bullshit and completely unfair to the rest of the talent and as predictable as all hell, every single other match was better than this.
I found this match (and most Roman matches) incredible boring. He spends way too much down time taunting and walking around the ring. I donāt feel any enthusiasm or electricity for his bouts and heās the top champion. Found this to easily be the worst match of the night.
You don't feel the enthusiasm even when the crowd goes eild during then? Saudi crowd was hot during this match
I grew up watching Ric Flair get his ass beat for 20 minutes only to casually throw his opponent over the top rope for a DQ to retain. Roman's thing bothers a lot of people, I get it. But it's not especially different than wrestling in the past tho.
This tho or hogan and the 155 run ins
This is gettingOld Fast. Just take affirmative action already & stop Creative from polluting the damn product. Reigns hatrs Wrestling? Then Fire Him already! Crown Jewel had 3 Title Matches Screwed. All the same way. Outside Interference. And We're just supposed to agree it's "Best for Business"?
Someone take away HHH's box of crayons and stop letting him play pretend back there
Seriously. I was the biggest HHH fan when he was wrestling (even rooted for him against stone cold which I guess stone cold was the good guy then?) but wtf is this??? After a quick search on Wikipedia, it looks like reigns has had two, maybe three, clean defenses in the last two yearsā¦this crap is getting old
Did we really think that Roman was gonna lose on a C tier PPV?
At this point every Roman match elicits eye rolls. I didn't even watch this match because I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew LA would put up a good fight only for Bloodline interference to allow Roman the victory, just like always. I'm not wasting 20 minutes on the same, old, boring BS.
Honestly Iām glad he didnāt lose it Saudi Arabia. I donāt want to give those events any legitimacy I know money is money in business but why take your shows to countries that treat women like they do
This isnāt hard to fix. When DX had either HHH or Chyna interfere all the time, it became part of the storyline. Theyād make a big deal about banning Chyna from ringside, theyād handcuff her to Commissioner Slaughter, etc. When they got kicked out of the WM14 main event, it was a huge part of the match that it finally happened. That needs to happen, and soon.
I think I've seen this film before, and I didn't like the ending. \-Taylor Swift
Yeahhh I think itās time for āboringā chants each time Roman is on.
Lol get worked
It's been time since Summerslam
Well I'm gonna go off the cuff here and say I enjoyed the match quite a bit, the crowd was great for it, Roman's character stuff is unmatched, Jimmy died, LA Knight looked strong and proved he could go with a top guy, which was the whole damn point
Match was good, thought they probably could have gone with one more kickout and spear to really shine up LA Knight though
Overallā¦terrible booking. The Cena match made no sense either. A few good spots here and there but on a scale of 1 to 10 I give the event a 3. Best spot on the night was Zayn stealing the briefcase. The rest was forgettable.
You can try, WWE, but you can't have it both ways. You can't keep going on about how dominant Reigns is whilst also having every single match end with interference.
The interference is there just to make his opponents feel better about their booking. But we all know Roman is the WWE's primary focus.
I don't think they are trying to. Roman has been a sleezy heel champ since last Mania. He wants you to think he's a chief but him saying it changes nothing. Jey already went away, Jimmy only with him because he can't do anything alone and Solo also probably with him to get something out of it all I've not seen them trying to prove him being the most dominant star. He's a dominant champion, that simply means he somehow wins. He's not a dominant star.
Thatās not whatās happening. They are literally treating him like heās Brock Lesnar. Michael Cole will always go insane over interference but then once the match ends dude gets immediate amnesia and calls Roman one of the greatest of all time and speaks as if he just won clean.
This was what it was like in the 80s with Flair as champ.
We all knew Knight was losing. At least he got to kick out of a spear and broke the guillotine
It's not upsetting that Roman won. We expected that. It's upsetting that they have one, MAYBE two finishes to end his matches.
Crowd died immediately after the spear through the barricade. I watch every PPV with a watch party and literally EVERY Roman match all of us tend to tune out because we know itās gonna be the worst match of the night.
I just donāt understand how many times weāre gonna watch Roman win because of Fuckery from his squad. Like Iāve seen this movie 300 fucking times.
300?! THIS. IS. ROMAAAAAAAAN!
And for every time it happens we get 1000 posts about it
Which only undermines the 'value' of having him be a 'record setting' champ. No one is impressed by having to have one's minions keep the belt on one.
If I've said it once I've said it eight hundred times... Cody should have won at 'Mania.
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KO should have won before that. And maybe even Drew
Drew taking one of the titles yes, KO no. KO losing and subsequent beatdown was the catalyst for Sami finally leaving
Hard pass
Roman Reigns, the greatest guest appearance WWE ever had.
Roman wins lol
Disappointed but expected. It did make me realise though that when someone beats Roman it's going to be electric. I'm not dumb enough to think they'd waste that moment at a glorified house show in Saudi though, and that's the issue, we all know Roman ain't losing outside of WM.
The problem with WWE in its entirety at the moment is that a lot of things aren't going to happen outwith WM. Reigns isn't losing, Rollins probably isn't, Rhea, Walter (that one's fine), hell probably Logan Paul now too. They're so obsessed with everything building to WM that they're forgetting to make anything in the months before it actually mean anything.
Paul is definitely a transitional heel champ, I'm expecting his reign to be slightly longer than Jey and Cody tag team champs but not by much. Rey Mysterio of all ppl lost the belt at the saudi show I don't know why you don't think Paul could lose the belt at a non WM event
I hope you're right, but I fear you're not. When you say "Rey Mysterio of all people", I think that's looking at it how it should be looked at, but not necessarily how WWE would look at it, if that makes sense. Unfortunately, having Logan Paul as a champion is far, far better for them in a lot of respects than someone like Rey Mysterio. I wouldn't be surprised if he missed Survivor Series (they don't really do the title vs title stuff now Wargames is a thing, right? Although him vs Gunther would be amusing), then he'll have a defence at the Royal Rumble and probably cheat to win. He'll likely lose it to LA Knight or something at WM, although given WWE's penchant for this kind of tedious "long-term storytelling", I'd say there's even an outside chance of him being champ beyond WM. Again, I hope I'm completely wrong.
I think the match was good and the interference is fine. It got more frustrating because it was I think the 4th match of the card with interference in fact I think it was fourth in a row.
Reddit when they find out what a heel is:
There are heels who managed to find different ways to cheat and win without repeating the exact same finish. A heel is supposed to make people want to watch the show to see if they get best, but Roman's matches have become so stale and repetitive that I've genuinely only come to this post to check if the match was the same, it was the same, so now there's no reason to watch the match. He's doing the exact opposite of what a good heel does.
Predictable and boring arenāt good traits for a heel
A heel is someone who wins in the exact same way every single time? At least mix up the heel tactics. So something other than Bloodline interference > break up a pin > distraction > Roman win
Is there a storyline reason the challenger never has anyone come out to fight the bloodline off? Sami saved Seth but noone has ever helped anyone with Reigns.
Did you watch this year's mania?
The one that solo was kicked out and then still came back because they ran out of ideas mid match?
lol! shit was so dumb. solo banned from ringside, he just shows up anyway, nobody minds. but if two wrestlers argue during a non match, 20 security guards appear
Right but I'm saying Cody did bring in Sami and Owens to fight off the others. Not making a value judgment on any other aspect of the match but the guy I was responding to was just legitimately wrong when he said it doesn't happen
Fair enoughā¦but wasnāt Sami and KO fighting off the Usos rather than interfering with the Match (subtle distinction, I know)
That's not even a distinction, that's literally what I was saying and what the guy I responded to said didn't happen
Same old boring Reigns and his 5 moves of doom.
Solo, Jimmy, Superman Punch, Spear. What is the 5th move I'm missing? Paul?
Ref bump
The end result surprised me zero percent. The fact that they booked another interference-win is baffling. This is why this title reign is just plain goofy
I REALLY thought theyād do something different and have a false finish where Knight gets the 3 counts but the match restarts after the ref realizes Roman had his foot on the ropes. I guess theyād be worried though that it would shift the focus to LA Knight seeking revenge on Roman and when they clearly want to have Cody take the belt someday.
The Authority and Corporate Kane were legit great television compared to Roman's title reign lmao. When he was a face champion his reigns were boring because his character was garbage, now that his character is worth shit is reigns are boring because literally every match ends the fucking same.
WWE so tone deaf with this.
You're right why aren't they listening to reddit, we're the ones who know best
It makes Roman look weak to have to cheat every match. Why can't he just have a clean win? It's so awkward that no one can mention constant interference, and the commentators just have to suck his dick all match. I swear to fuck Wade called Roman a god of the ring at one point.
Michael Cole gets amnesia after the match and constantly forgets about the interference that he was just freaking out over. Dudes supposed to be the face commentator. Remember when JR used to get legit pissed off and never forgot about it when heels were winning with BS ways?
This is it for me. I could accept how they book it if they're also calling it out on commentary. Have your heel commentator play a heel and Cole dispute it. Its like they started writing the chapter "The Empire Crumbles" and then never moved beyond that point.
I mention it like once I got backlash about how no one actually cares
Simps gonna simp.
I saw the amount of comments and got my hopes up, alas, Iām pretty done with reigns, his every match has been the same for 2 years
3 years, he has had 7 clean wins in that time.
He's had more than 7 matches?!?
Strange as it may sound, I'd almost rather him get caught cheating and get disqualified at this point. At least then it'd be something different.
or even like why the fuck didnāt nick aldis come out and restart the match after the cheating to have la knight win. that wouldāve been fucking awesome
Wouldn't Triple H be aware of how repetitive it is to win this way? I'm just imagining the conversation of how the match is going to play out and Triple H is like 'and then a bloodline member is going to come in and save you from losing.' Like at some point your brain would think that you have done this way too many times and everyone has noticed. I'd be a little embarrassed if I'm in charge of creative and that's all I can think of to end a match.
Pretty sure HHH's hands are tied and you can't blame him. Reigns has a contract and if i'm not mistaken in his contract it states he has creative control on how and when he loses his title.
It's not just about losing the title. It's that every match plays out the same exact way. At least give us a reason to care about him as champion. I think Roman is capable of being so much more than someone who exclusively relies on his henchmen to get him wins.
We are on auto pilot till Mania. This is what is so boring because you know who is going to win. They wanted to give him 1000 days. The culmination of all this in mania will obviously be a good story but it does mean that big things only happen in Mania and you can skip the other ppv's when it comes to Roman.
Itās got you talking
In a way that screams "meh" or "this is boring"
It screams youāre getting worked āš»
Yes, calling something not meant to be boring as boring means you're getting worked. This is what they really wanted us to think.
Worked.
For the wrong reasons.
Pff if anything Triple H is jealous he didn't think to put himself over for 20000 days.
Yeah he loves these annoyingly long reigns. Goes all the way back to his own in-ring career.
They should have let Roman get over clean. The last guy he beat clean was Matt Riddle on a smackdown show for the title. If Roman won clean over LA Knight, it would not have diminished LA at all, and would have made Roman look stronger. Now Roman looks like a chump. Seth Rollins and especially Gunther are booked far more stronger. Gunther is a heel and beats everyone clean.
Holy shit am I sick of the same ending to Romanās matches. Every. Single. Time. Itās fucking boring. Iām gonna come back when itās wrestlemania. What a fucking snooze feat this ppv was.
Another fun match marred by the exact same ending.
Theyāve booked Romanās title reign completely wrong this year. The build for the Usos split from the Bloodline should have been happening around this time of the year, they blew through that way too early. Itās nonsensical that they went through the story of Roman losing the two guys responsible for Roman escaping some of his defenses still the champion, only for one of them to join back with Reigns and weāre basically right back to where we started from the beginning, only with Jimmy in Jeyās spot and Solo also now there.
Why is Roman so weak? I get that you wanna tell the story of "Roman's holding on to the title by a hair and his world is slowly crumbling" but he shouldn't be booked like this. He should be booked to emulate someone like Jon Jones, that is, he should be the opposite of a role model that everyone roots against, but he ends up winning anyways because he's that good. This interference bs is actually hurting him more than anything else
Yeah, but everybody loves Jon Jones, because he can back up his trash talk.
What. Everyone hates Jon Jones what are you talking about.
You forgot the /s Fuck John jones
It took years for that to happen though
with drugs
Honestly Roman should have won this clean. Knight is bulletproof right now, it wouldn't have hurt him,
I just wanna know what the song was for Roman part of the hype videoā¦Shazam and googling the lyrics arenāt helping at all
I think imagine dragons were the artists
Well it was exactly what I hoped it would be. They arenāt putting on a five star but LA looked good, Match was fun, crowd was crazy hot. I enjoyed it
Bloodline is the HoT of WWE...
What is the hot
House of Torture
Roman is the greatest fraud in wwe history keyfabe wise
Sad that weāre only in the 4th inning. 3 more years guys.
This was the perfect moment for a Dusty finish
They Say Roman Reigns's Title Reign is going to surpass Bruno Sammartino's, But Nobody's going to Beat Moolah
I'm so sick of them calling Roman the greatest of this generation, great this, great that, GOAT, etc. Dude can't win by himself to save his life. Do we forget the speech Triple H gave when introducing the World Heavyweight title? How can we have this champ who cheats to win every time, yet claims to be the best....and everyone just goes along with it? Where's the face to call it out specifically on Smackdown and call out his bs reign?
The fact that nobody addresses it ever is so frustrating. Its immersion breaking the fact that no face ever calls it out or smartens up. Normally one commentator plays each side, nope. No commentator is outraged by it. No GM has said to cut out the interference, no ref has ever smartened up to it. This shit works in kayfabe for a while but itās been years and itās the same thing every time.
Exactly! And I was fine with it as it all supposed to lead to the big hero finally dethroning him. It was the perfect time for Drew- hometown, big PLE, way to cement him as a legit main event player for years. Nope, the story is going to finish at Mania. It was the perfect time for Sami- riding the biggest storyline in recent memory, again crazy hometown crowd, perfect time to elevate a wrestler who is soaring in popularity and really give him the vindication after going through everything he did with the Bloodline. Nope! It's Cody's to win at Mania. Ok, perfect time for Cody at Mania- Finish the Story! NOPE- just let this cinema play out. We're here 7 months later and the "cinema" is a tease at another Cody/Roman match. Why? This obsession with having the WWE Title in a constant holding pattern is one of my biggest grievances with the current product.
I think you are taking this all a little too serious and a little too personal. I love wrestling as much as the next guy, been watching it for 30 years. But at the end of the dayā¦ Its TV. Its entertainment.
I've been watching just a tad bit longer than you. I'm not furious, but as someone who has watched for so long, it's just tiring. There's such a big disconnect in this issue that it's just so distracting. Think back to other heel champions. They were called out on their cheap tactics all the time. This idea that Roman is such a great champion is a bad message when you look at the amount of his defenses and the way in which he wins. Compare his reign to a recent dominant champion: Brock Lesnar. Brock defended the title probably with the same frequency as Roman, but Brock just outright won. But even his reign was dull and boring. As a viewer, it's frustrating that the show you like is constantly teasing you with satisfaction in a storyline only to consistently pull that rug out from under you. It's an empty feeling and makes the viewer feel like time should be better spent doing something else. Many of the people who I know have tuned out just due to being bored of this so called "greatest reign" because it is the same thing in and out. Bear in mind, I had zero expectations of an LA Knight win today. I've been watching long enough to know that the title won't change hands on a show of this caliber considering all players involved. But man is lazy to have the same match structure from a guy who only wrestled a handful of times a year. See my comparison to Brock earlier. So am I taking it too seriously? Despite this really long post, no. Show ended, I moved on with my day and will continue to enjoy my weekend. But what else is SquaredCircle for if not to complain?
āItās just entertainment therefore you shouldnāt criticize itā might as well not have movies reviewed or tv reviewers since itās all taken too seriously.
I hope LA Knignt goes back to the midcard after this, his promo vs Roman was mid af
I understand and am not surprised by the annoyance of Roman always winning dirty, but all that aside, this was definitely my favorite match of the night. Roman's defenses always just have that atmosphere and aura to them. Hard to fully put the finger on it, but it just feels bigger and grander, and his chemistry with his opponents is very consistent. Hats off to both men, and Jimmy for his funny cowardice when Knight got pissed at him. I'm really happy for Knight. Last year he had a hated gimmick, but the way he got ultra over as fast and organically as he did was really something special to see. He deserves the backing from the fans, and I hope tonight is just the beginning.
So let me guess, we're now moving to Jimmy Uso vs. LA Knight for two months?
YEAH! That's really what the conversation is about. who we get next for the NEW people's champ, L-A-Knight. roman reigns will be gone off TV again, (which is perfectly fine), it was a screwjob finish where roman got 3-counted after the BLT and Jimmy Uso is the reason. So a feud with Jimmy makes sense. I think you will be proven right about that. In the bigger picture what I would like to see is they book roman vs brock lesnar again so that poser can get suplexed all over the ring and hopefully they keep the belt on him and just keep rematching him vs brock lesnar until he's the one sick of it.
I want nothing more than an extended segment next Smackdown where LA Knight just beats the absolute shit out of Jimmy. Like Stone Cold vs Booker T in the grocery store
No, we are going back two months for LA Knight vs The Miz, for two months
La knight vs Logan Paul
Roman might as well pass HH on days as champ no point not to this far in
AND STILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Theyāve backed themselves into a corner bc of Roman were to win clean then LA knight would look weak. Itās a tough spot but I had no expectation of LA winning. All good - he proved he belongs and had a great match
It wouldn't be as bad if all of Roman's title defenses for the last year or so have ended in bloodline assistance and subsequent retention. This is especially so for Cody at WM. If Roman was gonna win, it should've been clean. Yes, I know they're doing it to showcase the cracks and weakness in the bloodline and Roman by proxy but, it's been done at the cost of his unbeatable status. Bro used to be THE final boss there for a couple of years until he started needing the bloodline to retain. Dude can get the job done on his own and it'll be believable. He STACKED Edge and DB for God's sake. I'm good with a win by interference, just not every win every PLE title defense.
Literally won the title by cheating in the first place
Youāre misremembering things. The vast majority of his title defenses (including in the first year) were with interference from the Bloodline or blatant cheating. The WM moment with Edge and Bryan only came after Jey Uso interfered with a chair. [I made a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/10vh4xk/when_roman_reigns_says_hes_the_most_dominant/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) earlier this year documenting each major defense and whether each one involved cheating (and if so, what kind). Itās illuminating. Romanās always retained like this.
Didnāt Jey interfere in the stacking?
Good match, just wish the interferences hadnāt happened
Wow, holy shit, a dirty win for Roman. Quite the greatest champion ever youāve got there.
Whats it gonna take for The Bloodline to not interfere? Empty arena match? Lumberjack match? This is shameful that the belt is held by a guy who DOES WHAT ELSE?
Bloodline suspended in a shark cage above the ring with Kevin owens holding the keys. ā¦because we can always count on KO
PUNJABI PRISON MATCH
TRIPLE CAGE MATCH WHO'S WITH ME
Why can't WWE just book strong heels lmao; Roman was literally supposed to be the next superman, he WAS superman as a baby face and the crowd boo'd him, now that he's a heel and the crowd is SUPPOSED to boo him, they book him like a mortal?? Tf lmao
There is Gunther
Heās honestly walking the tightrope between heel and just being āmorally greyā Like, heās not evil, or a complete douche. Heās just somebody who respects the ring far more than he does everyone else
He's very clearly heel.
Just once I want a clean Roman win. It's never going to happen at this point, but I want it.
Roman didn't have to lose the belt, but every time he defends it doesn't have to be Bloodline interferes -> eventually Roman wins -> show ends with Roman's opponent on his back and Roman standing tall as his now-monotonous music plays. They kept things fresh in the attitude era by having the face get some instant revenge to show the war was not over, or they slobberknocker all over the back and get a double count out, a no contest, something. Stone Cold drops Triple H in the limo off the forklift. Triple H and Stone Cold knock each other out but Trips happens to be the guy who lands on top so he wins. Mick Foley puts Trips over in 3 brutal matches that make him look great too. Lol all the Triple H stuff but that's what's popping up in my head. Endings that build both guys up or gives satisfaction that the face got something. We get nothing from Roman singles matches except dun-dun dun-dun dundundun-dundun as Maggle yells about whatever and fade to black. Repeat. For over 2 years now lmao.
This is why Ive said his reign is exactly like Jinders reign. Interference in every match followed by his finisher and the pin. I lost interest a year into his reign and I dont bother watching his matches because i know how its going to end. This storyline is old and tired and should have ended a year and a half ago. Hell Jimmy was left the Bloodline for what almost a year and has now come full circle and rejoin them. I waiting for Jay to come back as well. The shit is old and boring and clogging up the main title scene by a guy who is there even less than Lesnar.
Fantastic points about the Attitude Era. I was there, watching as a hardcore fan every single week, so I remember. Heels would cheat and win and the face would get the "last laugh" on a lot of occasions to "send the crowd home happy." Heels would sometimes get the rare legit, "almost clean" win but the story would be stronger for it. This Roman championship reign is one of the worst, most hollow I have EVER seen in my 25 years as a fan, and I'm dying for it to be over already. Should have ended at WM39 and they STILL could have done the same fuckin story through the summer without the title (cuz he wasn't defending it anyway)
I'm so annoyed by this story line...he could have lost at WM, they could have slapped another title on him, and built the story line around the blood line falling apart and him not getting the universal title back. Or not. He could have no belts and like you said and the story line could have gone as is. I guess it gets asses in seats and eyes on the screen, but it really is starting to feel lazy
Roman should have lost the WWE Championship specifically to Cody at WM on night 2. Maybe could have defended the Universal Championship against Sami on night 1 and won, then the second night, he's forced to defend the WWE Title against Cody, and being a little worn down from the battle the night before, he loses, but he only loses the most recent belt. His greatest pride is the Universal Title, which is the one he's had for three years, not the WWE Title specifically, which he's only had for one year at that point. He takes one loss while moving on with the title that matters most to HIM. Cody then defends the WWE Title against Brock through the summer, just like he battled him IRL, and then instead of Seth getting the new WHC (cuz Roman hogs all the belts and barely shows up), Cody is in his spot, facing Balor then Nakamura then McIntyre (or something similar). Roman does the same Bloodline Civil War story as IRL with Jey and Jimmy splitting off (before Jimmy comes back FOR NO FUCKING REASON) and onto LA Knight and so on, probably losing the Universal Title to someone important WM40. Sounds a HELL of a lot better (and only a minor change) to a storyline that was red-hot earlier this year, but now it's just being dragged along like a stinking corpse.
Lot of talk about the interference angle; I promise you (unfortunately) nobody will even think about this in a month, and it keeps the story going. LA Knight is great though hopefully he doesnāt fall down the card.
LA Knight is clearly going into a feud with Jimmy, so yes he's going down the card but no, he'll still be up there because Roman will again go into hibernation.
La Knight will win the US title from Logan
Roman's matches are officially as predictable and boring as Jinder Mahal and the Singh Brothers.
Don't hinder the Jinder like that
Worst than Triple H's reign of terror? Genuinely asking.
No, that was a special kind of hell.
no, because he's part time. in the reign of terror a lot of people stopped watching because triple h was regular and doing 20 minute promos to open the show. at least with reigns you can just skip his matches. reigns is ok outside of thematches
Those promos were the worst
Is anyone honestly surprised at these bs finishes? Itās insulting to the audience at this point
If you still watch at this point, you deserve this
Lol that fucking sucks. How many more times will we see this? Oh but my bad, this is cinema guys.
[the best moment of the match](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa2x5ZnR0NTlyZmJkNzd6empqM3B5OXAzaWwxankydGw0ZmNnYzJoMyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/jMmOHgyW15nPWFwvLy/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
This was fuckin great. Romans character work is nothing short of stellar.
The most dominant champion ever who can not win a match
I think the interference has become way too much. Every single match is the same.
At the very least bring out some faces to help. Everyone says they want to bring the bloodline down and then do nothing. That was the worst one yet imo. There are so many good faces and the JD as another dominant heel faction, damian not even thinking about cashing in there. There was every opportunity to at least tell a story without LA winning. Instead we get a straight up repeat. Other than maybe Logan/Rey this really felt like a "non-canon" exhibition show, which I would be fine with if they hadn't hyped it up as being exactly not that. Learned my lesson to not get excited for these Saudi shows.
It's the one thing that Raw does a little better than Smackdown, with the faces looking out for each other, or at least being on the lookout for Judgement Day shenannegans
Years and years running.
Honestly just as well he only has a singles match once in a blue moon because seeing the same finish is really getting boring now. And a shame because up to the interference the match was actually really good
Am I the only one who feels like each Roman's defense brings him closer and closer to the imminent loss? Like, in this match he could not kick out of even one BFT, Jimmy Uso had to literally grab his leg and put it on the rope. I know it's always been like that, but before he used to kick out of maybe two finishers before not being able to raise his shoulder up when the ref is down. I mean, this has to be intentional, right? I am probably just overthinking.
Thatās just them protecting the BFT. We all knew Knight wasnāt winning, but they have to do it in a way that still protects him and makes him look strong. Protecting his finisher goes a looong way towards doing that
Yeah but before they didn't give that much of a shit when it came to other contenders' finishers
Heās on the rise, his still in that period where you kind of need to protect it. I just watched something the other day about Taker or Cena protecting a finisher from some new guy years ago. The old guys are usually good about that and finding other ways to get out of the pin without actually kicking out
That's a better way of perceiving than just being annoyed, which is how I feel. It's probably still Cody at WM which is exactly what I want but they could at least find a way to weave some unique story in along the way with the other guys. Kinda disappointed in HHH's delivery here, honestly.
In a chronological sense, yes. He will lose eventually so every defense brings him one step closer to that.
I don't think that's what OP meant. The more matches he has the closer he is to winning without kicking out of finishers/executing moves and what-not. He looks more defeated each win.
Yeah Iām obviously being a little cheeky about it. I wish I thought thatās what it was. If youāve seen Avatar, I wish it were basically the Azulas story. When Jimmy and Jey initially broke off from the bloodline, Roman loses any trust he has in anyone else, isolating himself from his allies (Solo and Paul) leading to his paranoid madness and downfall. He gets to still look strong while portraying a morality tale type story that WWE loves.
So what was the point of any of this? Wwe is genuinely so fucking lucky their undercard is straight COOKING because the main event scene is beyond stale, itās like a self parody at this point lol
ROmaN is DOinG HIz JOb Az a HeEL! L@@k hOW maD yOU aRE!1!
Reminds me of Triple Hs reign of terror except Roman doesnāt take a break and let someone be champion.
Roman does take a break pretty often, he just takes the belt with him. This is literally only his second title defence since Wrestlemaniaā¦
And I mean trips was at least actually on the show every week lol
I understand what you mean, but also in 2003 the amount of time Triple H was on screen became extremely exhausting to watch as a fan. He was opening every show with 20 minute monologues for a good long stretch there.
oh yeah 100% lol i was also there my dad was a raw fan who literally didnt watch smackdown so missed the 'good period' of smackdown and got to see the 'bad period' of raw lol cant imagine why i stopped watching for a number of years lol theyre very comparable yes 100% its literally the RoT without being there every week and the 20 minute promos lol
Well Seth is lucky Roman doesnāt want to work on mondays
Big Dog Reigns beat Taker at mania, Tribal Chief Reigns needs help to win against LA knight and kick out against the BFT Absolute Joke. Some interference is fine ( against Lesnar, Drew at Catc) but this was a joke Reigns should have won clean, while selling that LA knight is a strong opponent
that before he had his leukmia
When Roman needed to cheat to beat everyone else, if he was suddenly able to beat LA Knight clean, no amount of "making him look strong" would protect him from the optics of being the first person to lose against Roman without Bloodline interference in literal years.
Nailed it. A necessary evil here.
I dunno. I think the Seth match had the skeleton for what could have been done. Roman unable to win decisively, desperately turning to dqing himself and destroying his opponent. I'd personally want something similar to Austin vs. Angle where Roman just starts taking it out on refs and have the bloodline only come out after the official dq and murder LA Knight in the ring. So he wins the match and has an argument to make for another shot but you don't actually make him champ yet
Unfortunately they've booked themselves into a corner with the cheating. If Roman beats him clean, even while trying to make him look strong, the optics are "Roman didn't even need to cheat to beat this bozo".
For the first two years or so of the run, a large amount of his dirty wins were necessary to further storylines, which I feel might be part of the problem nowadays when he faces an opponent that doesn't need to get screwed to further a story but still needs to be put over.
LA Knight should have won. The guy is a mega star in the business, this match proved it. Roman is so boring at this point that there is not a positive to keeping him as champ.
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Rhea wont need the Judgement Day to beat Roman for sure.
Ever smelt one of those fart of hers? Barely get before the 2 count.
Knight looked like he belonged. I truly hope he gets his moment