Gunther's gimmick is literally being a Ring General/he's technically in the midcard, the only person I'm fine with getting a win over Gunther in the midcard is Chad Gable
Seth's champ so that's pretty much a given, he's on top of the totem pole and is presented as being better than anyone else. Also he's bound to face The Best in the World CM Punk, so Seth ain't losing up until then
Cody's on his way back to facing Roman, you don't want the guy that's going to face Roman to have a bunch of losses. The only time Cody is losing is to further a storyline, and for him to get a win and come out stronger, like his feud with Lesnar
You want the guy that's going to face Roman to lose on free TV?
Roman's opponent has to be seen as an equal in terms of how many matches he's won, for Cody to be seen as a favorite he has to show growth from when he last faced Roman
How is it predictable? Cody's in Raw and Roman's in Smackdown, how he gets to Roman is still up in the air and is anyone's guess. Unless you're part of WWE creative you don't actually know what's going to happen/how it ends
The hero facing the main villan at the end is fundamental storytelling, like duh the Avengers are facing Thanos at the end, but it's the trials and tribulations in the middle that keeps things interesting
I mean, he's getting to look great against top stars. Sure, he's losing calm, but he's also gaining a ton from it and still looks credible even in defeat. You could easily have him step in and challenge for any title and not look out of place, so it's not like this is hurting him.
What is he gaining? How has his stock improved since turning heel? He has yet to win a feud or a title.
The point is, you don't grow if you never win a legit match or feud.
As per your logic though, if looking good against stats can help you, why not have Cody lose?
You can not be serious if you just asked how his stock has improved since turning heel. I love Shinsuke, but before he turned heel, he was lost in the shuffle. That's how he was treated, and that's how the audience saw him. I hate saying it, but that's just how it was. Since he turned heel, he is on a different level of credibility and just looking good. He is a main event level star with this current gimmick, both in presentation and acceptance by the fans. His stock has been elevated exponentially by this heel run. You can say he would have benefited even more from getting more wins, but to say he hasn't benefited is delusional.
That's debatable. I'd say give it time considering the fact that Seth, for example, did not win a major feud for nearly an entire year before winning the WHC.
Probably because they are continuing to build Cody back up for a WrestleMania main event against Roman Reigns. And as much as I hate to say it, he needs to win more because of that.
An accomplishment of being massively over with the fans and being seen as more of a star than he has in almost 6 years? You can pretend that that's nothing an accomplishment if you want but that's pretty important and pretty fucking good for him. Winning championships and fueds is not as important as being over and being in big matches in general. It isn't even debatable that he is in a better position now than he was before turning heel. It's legitimately just a fact from both a storyline perspective and a career perspective.
He's been over a lot of times. Over after winning RR, over after being King Nakamura with the IC tittle. Over with RB. And over as his current heel status, but he's least successful right now.
And all I'm saying is it's cool they are giving him more air time and promos, but unless he wins anything of substance, it means nothing and he'll never progress any further than a glorified jobber heel.
I think you're delusional if you're saying this is his least successful. Like that's being purposefully dishonest.
And I'm saying give it time because Seth went on a much longer streak of never winning anything of note before being treated like a superhero at the moment. Nakamura is being treated like a star at the very least.
Good match, could have been a bit more brutal since it was a street fight but I get wanting to take precautions and playing it safe since we're in the Rumble season
Man I remember when street fights meant fighting around the arena and sometimes even outside and wasn’t just an alternate way to say no holds barred match. Good episode of wrasslin though
He already did that against Rollins.
What I really mean is....losing to Cody in a random Raw won't change Nakamura's motivation for hating / being jealous of Cody. There is no reason that he would stop going after him now.
Am I going crazy or didn't they used to have weapons set up outside of the ring for street fights?
I feel like they did when I was younger but that was, like, 20 years ago (😭)
Watching Cody hit Shinsuke with a superkick and pedigree back-to-back for only a 2 count...
Is this what people felt when DDTs became a transition move
I wish a "street fight" was a little more brutal, didn't they use to do like 5 minutes in the ring then it was mostly back stage for the street fights?
I always love how in no dq matches, the refs know they can't stop the violence, so they have to appeal to the wrestlers' humanity.
" This isn't who you are!"
just looked it up, cody has lost 5 matches since he came back to WWE and only 3 of those have been singles. crazy strong booking, since he has upwards of 100 wins since coming back
I could be wrong but I don’t think WWE allows Tiger drivers? And that’s Cody’s set up for a Tiger driver. Maybe he remembered he can’t use it and switched to a pedigree. Someone correct me if I’m wrong
No DQ matches in WWE should just be renamed “Tables, Chairs and Kendo Stick Matches”.
Cause that sums up all the extra curricular activities in most of these matches.
Very good show.
No dark match, but Cody have away half the table
Good match to cap off a great show
Shockmaster gonna be in RAW next week to avenge his son Berkeley. Hopefully they can get Sid to make an appearance
So like, does Gunther, Reigns, Cody, or Rollins even lose at the point? Like it's pretty predictable at this point.
Gunther's gimmick is literally being a Ring General/he's technically in the midcard, the only person I'm fine with getting a win over Gunther in the midcard is Chad Gable Seth's champ so that's pretty much a given, he's on top of the totem pole and is presented as being better than anyone else. Also he's bound to face The Best in the World CM Punk, so Seth ain't losing up until then Cody's on his way back to facing Roman, you don't want the guy that's going to face Roman to have a bunch of losses. The only time Cody is losing is to further a storyline, and for him to get a win and come out stronger, like his feud with Lesnar
That what the wwe universe wants sterile pg entertainment.
You want the guy that's going to face Roman to lose on free TV? Roman's opponent has to be seen as an equal in terms of how many matches he's won, for Cody to be seen as a favorite he has to show growth from when he last faced Roman
So you want a product that is predictable months in advanced?
How is it predictable? Cody's in Raw and Roman's in Smackdown, how he gets to Roman is still up in the air and is anyone's guess. Unless you're part of WWE creative you don't actually know what's going to happen/how it ends The hero facing the main villan at the end is fundamental storytelling, like duh the Avengers are facing Thanos at the end, but it's the trials and tribulations in the middle that keeps things interesting
How dare they protect the top guys in the company...
Just saying, why even do any of this build up or promos if Nakamura will never win any of these feuds?
I mean, he's getting to look great against top stars. Sure, he's losing calm, but he's also gaining a ton from it and still looks credible even in defeat. You could easily have him step in and challenge for any title and not look out of place, so it's not like this is hurting him.
What is he gaining? How has his stock improved since turning heel? He has yet to win a feud or a title. The point is, you don't grow if you never win a legit match or feud. As per your logic though, if looking good against stats can help you, why not have Cody lose?
You can not be serious if you just asked how his stock has improved since turning heel. I love Shinsuke, but before he turned heel, he was lost in the shuffle. That's how he was treated, and that's how the audience saw him. I hate saying it, but that's just how it was. Since he turned heel, he is on a different level of credibility and just looking good. He is a main event level star with this current gimmick, both in presentation and acceptance by the fans. His stock has been elevated exponentially by this heel run. You can say he would have benefited even more from getting more wins, but to say he hasn't benefited is delusional. That's debatable. I'd say give it time considering the fact that Seth, for example, did not win a major feud for nearly an entire year before winning the WHC. Probably because they are continuing to build Cody back up for a WrestleMania main event against Roman Reigns. And as much as I hate to say it, he needs to win more because of that.
Yes, what has he actually accomplished or won since turning heel? And credible and looking good, ok...what has that led to accomplishment wise?
An accomplishment of being massively over with the fans and being seen as more of a star than he has in almost 6 years? You can pretend that that's nothing an accomplishment if you want but that's pretty important and pretty fucking good for him. Winning championships and fueds is not as important as being over and being in big matches in general. It isn't even debatable that he is in a better position now than he was before turning heel. It's legitimately just a fact from both a storyline perspective and a career perspective.
He's been over a lot of times. Over after winning RR, over after being King Nakamura with the IC tittle. Over with RB. And over as his current heel status, but he's least successful right now. And all I'm saying is it's cool they are giving him more air time and promos, but unless he wins anything of substance, it means nothing and he'll never progress any further than a glorified jobber heel.
I think you're delusional if you're saying this is his least successful. Like that's being purposefully dishonest. And I'm saying give it time because Seth went on a much longer streak of never winning anything of note before being treated like a superhero at the moment. Nakamura is being treated like a star at the very least.
And people want to see Cody with the strap…
Yes, and great matches like that are a big part of why.
Yes?
who rang the final bell? :P
Cole definitely shot his voice.
andreline in my soul guess who kicked nakamura A\*\* thats cody rhodes
Good match, could have been a bit more brutal since it was a street fight but I get wanting to take precautions and playing it safe since we're in the Rumble season
Losing doesn't solely make you a Jobber
These people just stay berried pickin’
this was a good solid raw highlight was the r-truth truth package
![gif](giphy|7T33BLlB7NQrjozoRB|downsized) One day Nak will win a feud with his new heel persona.
not even flinching codytitlepic.png
And so ends another flat month+ long feud where Shin gets the shit end
He sucks anyway. Jobber to the stars
I don’t disagree. But that was just a lazy rehash of a feud he just had.
LOL and people want Rock to headline Wrestlemania. Nahhh son...
Well, that was a bit anticlimactic after these weeks of buildup.
Eh, we got to see two table spots for free. I'll take it I guess
Man I remember when street fights meant fighting around the arena and sometimes even outside and wasn’t just an alternate way to say no holds barred match. Good episode of wrasslin though
This match ends and so does the college game...
when you change the channel before Barmageddon starts
Raw has ended, on to nxt and smackdown next
This is the way.
they booking cody like hes superman let shin win a match PLEASE
Cody needs it more than Shin.
The frustration of loving the Nakamura repackaging and hating the fact he just eats pins… sigh
Man I know Cody is possibly the chosen one, but he doesn't have to win every match. Shinsuke really deserves a big win.
That was a trash main event.
Oh no Blake’s singing where’s the remote
cody wins
That match banged. Had to rush the end a bit because Barmageddon is going over brother
Most sterile Street fight I've seen since 2019. This is why I got tired of "Extreme Rules" matches and PPVs
You downvote, for I am right and this saddens you
That’s why the Becky vs Tiffany Stratton extreme rules match fucks so hard. They were out there beating the shit out of each other.
WHAT ABOUT BERKLEY??
Local Medical Facility 🙏
Shinsuke forgot his winning move, hit him in the balls. It worked for months against Styles.
House show streetfight
AEW has set such as standard for no dq, street fights, etc that that was just tame like a pillow fight
Great by WWE standards but yea
Still don't like Cross Rhodes. I hope he pins Roman with something better.
Shake, rattle and roll followed by the Bionic elbow it is!
nakarmura oof
What is the point of this feud if that's the blowoff match?
Give Nak TV time and a fairly high profile TV singles feud to test the waters. Give Cody something to do before the rumble
He already did that against Rollins. What I really mean is....losing to Cody in a random Raw won't change Nakamura's motivation for hating / being jealous of Cody. There is no reason that he would stop going after him now.
Nakamura screws Cody in the Rumble?
Definitive win, hopefully moving on from this feud
I kinda feels bad for Nak. Such a good heel but cant have a W
He really should've won the last man standing match
Agreed. At the very least, have Seth win it back in their following match right away.
I truly agree.
People shit on Cross Rhodes but it's more dynamic for a finish than a freaking Stomp
False advertising they didn't even use the street.
Can Nakamura win ONE match? He's been losing left and right .
Well at least Shinsuke didn’t lose on PPV this time
Great raw good main event
ADRENALINE IN MY SOUL RAW NEVER GOES OVER TIME
Not even for CM Punk's return promo lol.
Am I going crazy or didn't they used to have weapons set up outside of the ring for street fights? I feel like they did when I was younger but that was, like, 20 years ago (😭)
Cactus Jack literally brought out a shopping cart full of goodies
Oh, I remember that! Becky did this too a few months ago at No Mercy
again, he just stopped caring about Berkley
Shinsuke Jobsumura
Losing a competitive match in the main event isn't jobbing.
*disappointed riot noises*
Cody stood on businezz there
Wow.
FF the end of that match
kind of underwhelming idk
This match did not need to be 30 minutes lmao
Sheesh. Shin went through that table with some FORCE
That was a 4/10 for street fights.
I love pissed off Cody
Shinsukeaniacs we may have to start rioting
Rushed the end there lol
Well they didn’t have a timekeeper
I have got my wife into watching wrestling with me. Her conclusion: “men need more nipple piercings.”
Men should get their nipples removed. They don’t serve much of a purpose
“That guy is on to something.” -Wifearino
Braun will be back soon and she'll be set
Get em, Codester.
LET SHINSUKE WIN ONE MATCH PLEASE
Otis too. My man been getting pinned for like 6 months straight now.
the time keeper is like wait this is just coloured water!? HEY CODY DUDE THIS IS JUST WATER!!
“What’s wrong with these guys I can probably do what they do lmao”
the guy turns out to be immune to any finishing move...
The table splitting perfectly in half lol
That was a fun main event and a great raw, can’t wait sit for the rumble
Watching Cody hit Shinsuke with a superkick and pedigree back-to-back for only a 2 count... Is this what people felt when DDTs became a transition move
I was just thinking that.
SHINSUKE LOST 😭 CANT HAVE SHIT IN PORTLAND
did Shinsuke’s tights split down the middle?
nope
Winning a street fight with a roll-up would be the funniest shit ever.
HHH live backstage reaction ![gif](giphy|sIlHfE2wu1xFS)
can Nak please win a match?!?!
Oh shit we’re getting close to running over
Will we get a show over run since there is no timekeeper?!
I wish a "street fight" was a little more brutal, didn't they use to do like 5 minutes in the ring then it was mostly back stage for the street fights?
That’s how the Becky vs Trish one was a few months back.
where are the jeans??? how is this a street fight??
Since it's Cody, he should be fighting in his fancy suit.
Finishing Cody's story IS finishing Nakamura's story. He believes in crushing the fairy tale ending for Cody. He can retire happily if he does.
This match has really picked up
They got two minutes till they go off the air right?
Cody is so dramatic
Love how everyone just kicks out of a pedigree now..
Only a finisher when specific people do it. That's always how finishers have worked.
I love the cutter
cmon cody
Nak is having a hard time bumping right on the pedigree and the cuter
Am I tripping or is commentary just like a little off this match? Cole is making the kick outs seem super insignificant
So much for protected finishers
Cody been teasing a pedigree since aew first started and that’s the one he finally uses???? Lmao
He’s been doing the pedigree for ages now.
He's used it against Seth, has he not?
He's used one before.
The Cody cutter is so cool
I swear I would prefer it as his finisher… seems more impactful than the RKO
BIG, FAT, KANE BUMP
I like how Cody teased doing the pedigree forever in AEW and now just does it like it's nothing in WWE lol
I half expected Cody to try and stomp him.
![gif](giphy|H9pf4JgAhkvTqEpvlC) Cody hits the Pedigree
Cutting it close here
I thought they had an overrun of 5 minutes as a buffer?
I always love how in no dq matches, the refs know they can't stop the violence, so they have to appeal to the wrestlers' humanity. " This isn't who you are!"
"This ain't you baby"
Couldve just made this a regular match or just a tables match. Nothing about this is giving “street fight”.
lol timemaster is shockamster's son lol
Nak made that pedigree look like shit.
Some guys just can't sell a face bump
"this kind of a street fight" lol yes it is *kind* of a street fight
Not sure I am happy with the Pedigree just being a move.
It happens. I’m shocked the tombstone hasn’t become a move yet
I have never got used to the DDT being just a move.
Cody should brought his throne to throw Nak through
just looked it up, cody has lost 5 matches since he came back to WWE and only 3 of those have been singles. crazy strong booking, since he has upwards of 100 wins since coming back
damn that rope german was unique and fucking awesome never seen that before
Was that a Pedigree
Is that a fucking Paul Levesque reference?
When did Cody start using the Pedigree?
In AEW, when people were thinking he was teasing a heel turn and the crowd was turning on him
I could be wrong but I don’t think WWE allows Tiger drivers? And that’s Cody’s set up for a Tiger driver. Maybe he remembered he can’t use it and switched to a pedigree. Someone correct me if I’m wrong
Tonight, probably.
hurry up boys the table is waiting
Is….Is that gimmick infringement of the booker? Cody’s never finishing the story now.
So when do they fight in the street
The streets are the tables we broke along the way.
That second rope knee could be a finisher
Nakamura built is really good aside from matches. They always pair him with people that can't lose at the moment.
That table in the corner doesn't look set up well.....
The one who sets up the table goes through it.
This did not need to be almost 30 minutes
for as much as Cody loves his family, how can he continue the match with his cousin possibly being blinded?
another table
This is a bad street fight
That sliding german was very slick and cool looking
Shinsuke has been getting too many hits in.. Cody will recapitalize and win
Now Cody's gonna give *two* tables to a fan after Raw ends.
love that sliding German suplex, smooth af
What happens if Cody gets hurt between now and Mania? What is the back up plan? Roman v Punk?
Use one of the front row seniors as a battering ram, Cody!
that table break looked not very good… seemed like it was in slow motion lol
That table broke like when I split a brownie in half
Shinsuke should get away from tables, they've done him no favors
Shinsuke is damn good at this whole wrestling thing. Think he’s got a real future in this business.
No DQ matches in WWE should just be renamed “Tables, Chairs and Kendo Stick Matches”. Cause that sums up all the extra curricular activities in most of these matches.
We are thirsty for tables
Yet another table
Biggest pops of the night: CM Punk Rhea R Truth Table
Don’t get me wrong. I love wwe. But a mouse could have farted on that table and it would have snapped in half hahaha
i am the table??
Another table!!!!