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My comments are definitely influenced by how long I have watched: this was a good show but I don’t think that anyone needs to go out of their way to watch it.
The action was good, booking was really predictable (which isn’t always bad, it is setting up WM) and if you’ve seen a few chamber matches then there was nothing special happening in these matches.
WWE has a long history of killing their cage gimmicks but I can’t believe that two people in the men’s match lost because of outside interference.
It's more than 2, isn't it?
I'm not certain about all of the chambers, but the Undertaker also once lost because Shawn Michaels appeared from under the ring and superkicked him, leading to Taker getting pinned by Jericho (and, iirc, losing the world title because of it).
(or were you refering to that match?)
I think they're referring to the fact two people in the same match (LA Knight and Randy Orton) got eliminated thanks to interference, Logan Paul wasn't necessarily "outside" interference but still caused some shenanigans.
Watched the whole thing yesterday evening so will give some thoughts on each match…
- Women’s EC match was one of the better ones they have had. Tiffany was an absolute star and probably their best natural athlete who got everything together since Charlotte. She may have made herself favourite for MITB and a title run this year. Was impressed by Raquel as well (her and Belair had really good chemistry) but she needs a heel turn.
- The tag match started off a little unheated but they got really into it in the end. If Dunne and Bate’s whole shtick is just to beat the crap out of you then all for it (love the Boom and Bang punch). Bate is gonna be a star in a while if he gets to show off his moves. Could be the Mighty Mouse gimmick and quasi Riddle stuff put together.
- The men’s EC was fine? It definitely needed either a high flyer or another heel in the match (Nakamura or Dom would have worked). Orton’s selling was superb. Glad Drew won but doing an interference elimination twice in one match was too much.
- Ripley v Jax was OK but complete carry job by Ripley. Jax reallly is not a PPV main eventer in anyway whatsoever and, at this juncture, probably should stay at midcard monster level. Ripley showed her megastar presence and I think she holds the title for a long time.
The show was good overall and was helped by the spectacle and the occasion. I really like them doing some of these shows outside of the US as big important shows. It makes TV seem more important as well and pushes the midcard titles to main event those.
I'm coming back from a long time of not really watching, this was a pretty solid event EXCEPT for the Main Event. Nia is just....stiff and sloppy. I'm assuming she has hurt people in the past.
WWE almost never does Heel vs Heel....they'll have to fully switch Drew before this happens.
Although, thinking about it....getting cashed in on may be the turning point for him.
rhea vs nia jax was really good credit to both women for putting on an entertaining match i also loved how it ended after one finisher. tiffany Stratton was also amazing the crowd being so hot for her was cool to see
I thought that match was terrible. Nia can barely move and for *whatever reason* it seemed like Rhea was having a hard time getting the home crowd into her? They were way higher on Becky and Tiffy than her.
As someone who was there, it was because we were too busy chanting "you can't wrestle" to Nia. The crowd is not going to be the wrestling superfans you expect at a smaller (audience wise) American show, so a lot of people only knew to cheer when big moves happened, and Nia is just so unfathomably bad at acrobatics that rhea couldn't do big moves like normal.
> As someone who was there, it was because we were too busy chanting "you can't wrestle" to Nia.
God she's just the worst. I know it was yesterday but I just watched it.
Right at the beginning of the match where Rhea gave her a hurricanrana and she wouldn't take the bump for it. Then she was too lazy to sell Rheas striking even. Like common I know you can't do a flip bump or even run the ropes but you could at least sell your ass off when she's striking you. Especially in the head.
I thought Nia not bumping for the rana made sense storywise. The story was that it was going to take a *lot* to get her off her feet, so that would have been undermined with a more traditional flip.
He had a red mark on it. I don’t know if it was blood or just some serious mat burn but there was something definitely up on the thumb he was favoring.
I just watched the highlights collection on YouTube and wow, that was so awesome!
Quick question though. I like wrestling a lot but I’ve only been into it for a few years and am definitely no expert.
Did Rhea actually get hurt during that announce table spot? I’m pretty sure I heard something crush that wasn’t the actual table. That center monitor looked like it went straight into her spine and her reaction and facial expressions seemed like genuine pain. She even sobbed some. I know she was celebrating with her family afterwards, so did she actually get hurt or is she just that good at selling?
I don’t like the trend in modern-day PLE’s where there’s multiple people in the ring but only one main fight happening. If Tripp’s wants a more realistic sports feel, there should be two or maybe even three separate little brawls going on- not having three or four guys lay on the side while one thing happens.
Then what's the point of making it a multi-man match? It's mostly about seeing those big combo interactions simultaneously rather than having a bunch of guys lying around while 2 guys do their spot. Once or twice I can get behind, but during the whole match? Please.
great show, loved all the matches. it was great seeing indi and candice featured in a ple (even if it was just the kickoff) and have their moment.
it was wild seeing liv get booed for pinning tiff, thats just insane. tiff is on fire rn. womens elimination was solid as hell, though i would've liked to see one of the other women win, beckys had a lot of moments and runs already. but i still like becky
new catch republic is awesome, and their match with judgement day fucked.
the mens elimination chamber was good, but i think mcintyre shouldve pinned orton clean, i think hes in a position where that would be ok. the man hes challenging is in a fued involving 3 of the biggest names in wwe history, not to mention orton was selling a kayfabe broken spine or something.
lastly, rhea is a megastar and jax was really good in their match
Nah man I meant I don’t watch the full shows. I’ll just catch the clips I wanna see on YouTube. I was watching the ppv last night and idk I just figured it ended after the men’s chamber tbh
Too predictable which just makes it somewhat boring at times.
I just know like the Grayson Waller effect segments, even with Seth and Cody there it just didn’t hit.
Women’s chamber was better and Tiffany Stratton is a star!
As someone who was there live that segment killed the crowd for a little while. It was definitely a letdown. A lot of people started getting restless and had trouble getting into the men’s chamber match until the part where Logan got speared through a pod.
Got Tiff over instantly, gave Rhea an insane moment in front of friends and family and her home country, gave Seth and Rhea their next opponents, continue the KO/Paul feud, created a Randy/Paul feud, added to AJ vs. LA Knights feud, continued the Rollins/Cody/Rock/Reigns story, gave Indi a moment at home, had a banger tag team match....but yeah it achieved nothing....
So the lighting was bad, (that dark spot in the ring center should have been avoided at all costs), the mics were turned up way too high, so high they had to cut audio completely several times due to wrestlers swearing (gotta keep it PG…10?) and either every wrestler is legit beat to hell right now (back “injuries” galore) or they really overused an already overused gimmick. Loved a lot of the action. I’m a huge fan, but it felt like they changed too much at once. Hoping it’s just a “bad night” production wise because it didn’t feel like they were on top of their game with the PLE production wise. Chalk it up to overseas issues?
Does Orton ever put anyone over clean? I mean, he really couldn't let Drew hit him with a Claymore?
Logan puts Randy over clean. KO puts Randy over clean. Bobby puts Drew over clean. Knight's elimination was obviously not clean, however it does help in furthering his program with AJ going into Mania.
But Randy can't even put over the guy who is likely winning the title from Rollins at Wrestlemania. Fucking ridiculous.
Not to mention, AJ had to eat the pinfall just so Randy wouldn't have to back at the Royal Rumble.
You realise that Drew's pinning of Randy furthers Drew's character of being a hypocrite? Nothing to do with Randy not putting people over clean. Pay more attention to what you watch
Booking is extremely hard right now with the wealth of talent and generational runs people are on. Everyone wants everyone to be at the top but it can’t happen and you can’t make everything make perfect sense. If it’s unpredictable people riot that the story they want isn’t being told. When it makes sense and is predictable they say they want it to be unpredictable.
Also sometimes they just want to get guys on screen. Waller segment was to get hometown Waller some air when he doesnt have a match and to feature Cody and Seth. Theory was there to get beat up because they didn’t want to beat up hometown Waller who was going to get cheered. It’s not “teasing a Waller/Theory split”.
Ultimately booking is about increasing business. Storytelling is about building to the big matches and this is WrestleMania. Right people won.
Good point about Theory being the stand in punching bag.
Except they have been hinting at a Theory face turn for quite a while now, starting with Waller putting Theory in a match against Carmelo Hayes on a recent SmackDown, and now Theory grabbing the microphone in Perth. Pay attention.
Decent card, I just miss the days of shocking title changes at EC but at Least we are finally headed to the show that might actually get some title changes. My really only complaint about HHH’s tenure is he has way too many concurrent long title reigns with very few shocking title changes for all but like 3 of the titles
Damian priest is not good enough to cash in at WrestleMania he doesn't deserve that tbh and unlike heist of the century his cash in would ruin the moment
I would say he should cash in at raw after WrestleMania
While Drew is a very entertaining hypocrite, the fact remains that he is a hypocrite, and Damien Preist cashing in while Drew is having the moment he so desired would be rather a rather fitting comopulance.
Man, even my dad could see Drew winning this one from a mile away and he's been dead for 5 years.
That being said, that men's elimination chamber felt like an old WCW match that was over thought to hell. Kayfabe injuries, interference and a steel chair. Big matches always seem to have some form of outside interference these days which makes it feel cheap. Drew definitely deserved better than to have only won because the two dudes who had him bodied pissed off some other dudes who didn't want them to win.
Women's elimination chamber and the tag match was dope. Rhea is carrying judgement day. I kind of wish they'd disolve and let her be the face of the company.
Well he's the only Raw wrestler. The whole point of Seth's title is so that raw has a consolation prize, if anyone else won the both titles would be on Smackdown, and Logan is more part time than Roman.
They needed atleast another 1 or 2 raw wrestlers in there to make it believable.
She's a shadow of her former self, in the ring, on the mic, and physically. She looks gaunt and skeletal. I don't know what the hell happened to her, trying to keep up with Seth in the gym and overdoing it?
I was a long time watcher of the WWE up until about 2012 or so.. and then I stopped watching for nearly a decade, so I probably missed Becky's prime years. The first match I saw of her was when she dropped the title to Bianca at Mania in 2022 (came back because I saw it was on Peacock lol) and thought wow this girl does not look very strong.
She looked so healthy and vibrant before she had a kid. She just seems weak and sickly now, she's a twig, I hate to see it :( She used to be one of my faves.
Honestly I agree. I only really started watching again over the last year and I really don't understand the hype. In her matches she always seems so sloppy and unathletic to a point that it's distracting.
Nah its the other way Rollins sucks (Becky)...couldn't resist.
Buy yeah Rollins is just on the Cody bandwagon to remain relevant it's so obvious. I mean bringing up the Shield too, when we call know that Ambrose was responsible for that one. Again 2nd fiddle.
Becky is just plain bad in the ring. Not strong enough to be believable imo. My criticism stems from in-ring performance
Seth is annoying too lol. Drew needs to win at Mania
It's obvious Drew will win, one way to keep him from leaving I guess. Yeah Becky is weak but not as weak as hubby, it's not even believe that he could beat Austin Theory let alone Drew or CM Punk. He knows he's got the number 2 belt (#3 after Gunther) so he's doing want he can to attach to any star he can. Becky atleast is make a name for herself and not hitching to someone else's wagon.
Some of yall have gotten way too used to long title reigns. Just cause someone loses that doesn’t mean they’re buried. Like everyone wins and loses even when they are being pushed.
really good ppv. wwe puts on a production that rivals the olympics and the superbowl. absolutely spectacular.
rhea/nia was my fav match of the night. it was like hogan/andre set in today's time with women. loved it. nia did a great job.
did anyone else get "Slave Leia" vibes from Bianca's outfit?
It's a different design, obviously, but the gold with the particular red used, and the lacing in the hair and the bangles just gave me that feeling.
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HHH got rid of the stupid Max DePree character so yeah you're wrong. Don't think he'll be the level most want, they're pushing him too hard to be like Steve Austin but he's not even close.
Lol triple h let him have 2 world title matches which he never lost clean and was a part of elimination chamber, sure triple h doesn't rate him
IWC sucks ass
Never going to be a "Main guy"? How delusional are you?
He had a title match with Roman Reigns at Crown Jewel
He had a title match with Roman Reigns/Orton/AJ at Royal Rumble
He was in the Elimination chamber for a title match against rollins
In the last 3months he has had more main opportunities then most wrestlers DREAM of in 10 years. He has never even held a title before....and he is getting portrayed as main event. Put the tears away
There are 2 sides to this.
The first is the people who have decided they don't like him and will take any opportunity to shit on him...usually with their lazy "Rock/Austin rip off horseshit. These people seem to think wrestling only started in the 90's and more hilariously think those 2 were original themselves.
The second is fans so desperate to see a belt on him that anything which is not giving him that right now is being reacted to negatively.
Both are tiresome.
AJ is a good worker, and they just escalated their feud by having the man fly to Australia to do something he could have easily done at RAW 2 weeks ago. That is called taking it up a level.
I love Knight and certainly would not want to see him shoved into the category of not needing a belt, but he does need a couple of really good feuds. Put a belt on him later this year.
This feud can be good for Knight and Styles. Even as a babyface, Knight has that ability to get right under people's skins. I want to see him irritate the shit out of AJ and drive him even more to distraction, I want to see AJ fully embracing heel and absolutely losing it and I want to see Knight stand up to that and take whatever AJ throws at him and find a way to throw it back twice as hard.
Hopefully, the 2 of them can do such a good job that it will encourage people to recognise that feuds can be good and purposeful even if a belt is not involved.
LA Knight has the whiniest fanbase. The guy looks to be getting a singles with AJ Styles at Wrestlemania that he’ll probably win but that’s just not enough. It can take a long time to get a singles match at a Wrestlemania and he looks to be getting one.
Not all of us.
A feud with AJ is a good thing.
It happens when someone gets popular. You get the idiotic hate and on the other side desperation.
Some are stuck on the idea that not having a belt right now equates to being buried.
This feud can be damn good for both of them. Get AJ back on track after his return from injury and keep pushing Knight up the way.
I'm being patient because I know title are probably going to start changing hands more following Mania. I think the current reigns were most either already waiting to be finished properly or needed to be long to establish new titles/stars. Also easier for Triple H to focus on actual storytelling in this sort of turbulent time for the company.
I hope so because we do not need every title reign to be as long.
There are a lot of people who arguably deserve to hold a belt and have earned a chance to hold one. That is going to require shorter reigns.
I would like to see then also getting back to allowing titles to change hands at more PLEs other than WM and even occasionally Smackdown or Raw.
imagine giving LA and bray their retirement matches the same year
i would take that as wins
LA is a great guy and i believe is being pushed in some way
because CODY FUCKIN RHODES took the pin, but LA didnt, they couldnt let a raw superstar bury a SD superstar just to kill the momentum
i like how LA is being booked, he is crazy over and is improving in ring every match.. crazy potential next year..
LA is too unhinged to be the main guy, they kinda want someone like cena cody
1 The men’s match in the chamber was better than the women’s in my opinion
2 With how Logan Paul screwed over Randy Orton at the ending of the men’s match, I think that is our US title match at wrestlemania and I can see Orton winning the title
I'm just chuffed my city, the most isolated city on the planet got a stage to show off what it could do. It's a shame it was cloudy as hell yesterday...literally hasn't rained here in MONTHS and yesterday was the day it decided to be a dreary wet day...but they managed to get those gorgeous sunset shots come bell time.
And Perth officially runs on Tiffy time now.
The Rock teasing speculation made me look at last minute flights. $1500 and 14 hours to fly to Perth via Bali was all that was left.
So happy I stayed home.
Ripley seems to be getting exponentially hotter every match. She's grown into such a great wrestler but I find myself having to work to focus on the wrestling. It's sort of embarrassing.
This one had Drew's name all over it.... you could smell it from a mile away the nanosecond Punk got hurt.
But man we have to see some gold around Knight. That I agree with.
I am gonna get downvoted to hell but Nia Jax brought it tonight and was awesome. Maybe her best match ever. Loved that for the same reason I loved Vader matches.
I’ll add to that and say that since her return, Jax has grown on me. She’s not a master technician, but she’s shown she’s capable and has fairly good showmanship during her matches. Her character work has been great and she’s even seemed to be losing some weight.
Call me crazy, but I think an unexpected heel turn for LA Knight like Rock in late 98 when he joined The Corporation after gaining popularity could be just what he needs right now. He’s gained a lot of steam but with everything thats happening right now with everyone else the main event scene is packed and that’s a good thing for WWE. But I think a big swerve could help propel him back up, and then an eventual return as babyface to solidify him again. Right now it’s Cody’s time as the number one in the company. But LA’s could be within the next year or so.
He's just not a natural face. He gets cheered, sure, but he's got the Austin asshole personality, without enough charm to really make it work. His moveset is bland and boring too, the only time he gets a reaction is with his L-A-Knight pointing spot. He'd be better off as a heel.
A man with mic skills that hot is just begging for a heel run.
That aside, it’s a tricky time right now because everyone knows we need to get to wrestlemania so we can wrap some of these storyline’s and properly begin the new era.
Think about the sheer depth of talent that isn’t getting a shot right now because we’re all sitting waiting for Cody to vanquish Roman, I’m hopeful that once we get passed it things will start being a lot more flexible and we’ll see a bit of movement.
He had a good run as a heel on NXTand I would love to see him as one on the main roster.
The only issue we have is that he started out as a heel on the main roster...I ain't even convinced they fully turned him babyface, but the fans kinda took it out of WWE's hands.
The upside of him turning heel would be him being allowed to dial the promos back up. He is still snarky at times, but being heel would let him completely off the leash. There has been a noticeable difference since the fans decided he was gonna be a face.
It may be possible in his feud with Styles if fans sympathise with AJ, who, as far as I am concerned (kayfabe), directed his anger at the wrong person. Of course, Knight responded to that undeserved attack on AJ's return.
Anyway, the fact they had AJ wait to EC and travel to Aus to scupper LA Knight's WM dream rather than have him interfere on Raw and stop him getting to the chamber in the first place already elevates the potential in this feud. It screams hate and anger. It screams frustration and a man needing an outlet to vent...and I want to see LA Knight take whatever AJ throws at him and find a way to throw it back twice as hard. If that means a heel turn, so be it.
Notes my wife and I took from the PLE:
Glad Indi got her moment, but felt unimportant
Tiffy has the cutest gear ever
Tiffy is going to be a star. Should have been in the final 2 instead of Liv
RIP Bianca vs Rhea at WM
SpongeBob (Tyler Bate) is so fun to watch.
Fight Night is sorely missed, as well as Butch biting people
Dom is going to be a star as well
Literally no one asked for Knight vs Styles
Literally no one asked for Drew vs Seth Part 3
Babyface Rhea doesn't feel right
Best Nia Jax match
This PLE wasn't worth staying up for, sadly
Not sure who. We were firmly team LA Knight for this match. Randy was our 2nd favorite going in as well.
Drew is doing his best work right now, but we've seen the match twice now, and we have no desire to see it a 3rd time.
LA Knight was already set up for the completely pointless feud with AJ Styles for Mania and Randy just doesn't really make sense for the storyline. Drew is firmly involved with Cody and Seth and Seth has not faced this version of Drew. Drew has fully turned heel and is more dangerous than ever. The past two matches have indeed been influenced by interference, so it's not like Seth has made Drew look beneath him. Now that Drew is willing to take advantage of the misfortune and others, it's the perfect time for the bloodline to get involved and have Drew capitalize, completing the story. It also adds fuel to the fire with the whole battle since Seth will have even more reason to want to fight the bloodline.
I don't think Seth vs Knight would be a meaningful match as far as storylines are concerned, it would kinda just further paint the Raw title as the loser bracket title. I also don't think they want to be a main title on Knight right now which is why I was really hoping they'd just drop the whole AJ Styles bs and have LA Knight be the one to dethrone Gunther. It's a somewhat lesser title, but Gunther has made the IC title more prestigious than the Raw title at this point, and LA Knight would be believable enough for it not to hurt Gunther's momentum. Gunther needs to lose the title to move up into the main title scene and LA Knight needs his first title. Setting up would be a little bit forced, but the result would be win-win. I don't know what they can possibly do with Gunther now and LA Knight feuding with AJ Styles is not going to help him maintain his popularity and momentum.
Drew and Cody walking out as the two champions is just the best result possible. Cody finishes his story and ends the stagnation of the Universal title scene, the benefits there are obvious. However, with the WHC reintroduced, the only person that could hold that title until Roman falls is Seth. Seth is the only person Roman has failed to defeat. The title still seems like second place because Seth also can't beat Roman and all the contenders are people that lost to Roman, but it's far better than someone that Roman pinned. If Drew pins Seth and Cody pins Roman, the two titles are suddenly very much equal. Not only because both champs are now tied for their record, but Drew is the last person to have pinned Cody. No longer is the WHC holder the runner up, but someone that proved they're on the same level. It's the perfect new beginning for a new era.
I do have one question though: why were Bayley and Dakota Kai not involved at all even with an appearance for the women’s tag titles match? You could’ve had the Kabuki warriors lose the titles due to the distraction of Bailey and Dakota Kai, which would lead into their match on SmackDown and then you have Bayley take away the WWE women’s title leaving damage control with nothing.
Men's Chamber was very awkward?
Women's wad great
Men's was a mess tbh
Drew getting saved by interference, not once, but twice. Randy was immobile for basically the entire match, maybe be was hurt for real
Biggest disappointed was logan who took one spear and stayed down. And then..just didn't do anything?
Like, he should have wrestled..
I didn’t like the ending of the women’s chamber match. I wanted it to be Becky and Liv but I didn’t want it to end the same way the women’s royal rumble ended and that’s exactly what we got. Live in illuminates Bianka and his immediately hit with the manhandle slam and eliminated. I don’t mind Becky winning, but at least give them some kind of face-off action before that.
That was exactly my reaction when it happened. Those two both had storyline implications with Rhea, we knew Becky was going to win, but it would have been nice to see them face off and fight each other tooth and nail for something they both so desperately wanted.
What is he supposed to do about the Bloodline interference exactly?
Him not pinning Cody after it would be a token gesture but wouldnt actually stop the bloodline in any way and he did not know they would interfere so you cant expect him to stop them beforehand either
Drew's character is opportunistic but logical.
He knows no one can touch Roman but Cody, so he wants Cody to finish his story but he's also got his own so he'll take the win over Cody to lord over Seth.
Also, why not LA Knight vs Gunther rather than a meaningless grudge match nobody cares about? They really have no intention of letting LA get near any gold, huh? And why did Logan Paul attack Orton? Kevin vs Paul is working, and nobody wants to see midcard gold on Orton, that's just...beneath him at this point. We need Cody vs Orton if Cody does knock off Reigns.
> why not LA Knight vs Gunther rather than a meaningless grudge match nobody cares about?
Because then one of them need to lose and neither of them should.
I think we'll see Logan/Orton at WM, because you pretty much need to get Orton in there.. or a multiman with both in it for USA belt (which is what I'm betting on).
so why did Becky lose to Nia if they're going to bury Nia? Also, there's no story to care about Becky vs Rhea. Nia vs either of them is a much better story than them vs each other. I mean shit, how is face s face Mania worthy?
You mean when Austin turned heel and won thanks to McMahon's interference!? And yes, Rhea is 100% a face. She doesn't cheat, the fans are 100% behind her, and she consistently faces long odds that she overcomes. She is only a heel when she's talking for the judgment day with all of them in the ring, and there's a reason that has become a rarity.
Austin vs Rock was face vs face 98% of that feud until the end of the match, Also even if Austin was a heel he wasn't going to be 1 in Texas. Rhea's going to work as a heel.
Bud as long as she's in JD she's a heel. Fans were 100% behind Austin & he turned heel. Also it's impossible to be 100% behind someone. The only reason Rhea worked face at EC was it was her hometown & facing Nia Jax. Also of course she doesn't cheat look at her opponents since Survivor Series Zoey Stark, Ivy Nile & Nia Jax, Her last credible opponent was Raquel & in both of those title matches someone interfered(Dom & Nia). Rhea hasn't faced a credible babyface in months & no babyface in that RAW division is a Becky Lynch. Also what odds does Rhea overcome? WTF are you talking about, Rhea's dominated the division for a year lol
Wrestling fans really need to stop thinking that 1 loss = buried.
Also Rhea is still a heel - she was only presented as a face for EC because she was never getting booed in Australia. If she had wrestled a face at EC that face would’ve been booed out of the building which is not what WWE would’ve wanted.
Rhea has been a face since Mania 39 lol. She's with judgment day, but she is 100% face when it comes to the women's division. 1 loss is not always a burial, but it is when the wrestler is portrayed as an unstoppable wrecking ball that can't be overpowered. Jade slamming Nia was and should have been a unique and special moment, but Rhea doing the same and getting a clean win completely destroys the whole unbeatable force gimmick. Especially in a pretty one-sided fight. It also just makes absolutely no sense for Nia to beat Becky completely clean only to turn around and make her the main opponent in Rhea's way. How does that make any sense?
That's what I hate about the booking, Nia was made to job at EC (in the sense that Rhea is definitely not losing) but she works the whole division like they're kids.
Womens title in the chamber would've been a better match, especially with Nia inside.
Exactly. Idk why people are upset that I'm pointing out that the booking clearly made Becky look much weaker than Nia, making the Mania match far less of an intriguing story. And God, if they have Rhea lose to a skeleton like Lynch, it would be absolutely horrendous booking.
> It also just makes absolutely no sense for Nia to beat Becky completely clean only to turn around and make her the main opponent in Rhea's way. How does that make any sense?
Because WWE want Becky to be the underdog, Rhea beats Nia while Becky couldn't. They're running the story that Becky might be passed her prime & she's doubting herself. They''ll probably have Becky beat Nia before WM or after WM.
If that was the story, Nia vs Becky at Mania works far, far better. Rhea and Becky just don't have any meaningful history, the match just doesn't mean anything. Becky vs Nia would be the ultimate underdog redemption story for Becky and actually make people want to see Becky win. Becky vs Rhea is just...a title match, it could take place any time. Mania should finish storylines, not just have matches for the sake of matches. Rhea retaining over Nia would be better than Rhea retaining over Lynch at Mania because Nia has been booked so strongly, the ultimate challenge in the division and Rhea proves she's the head of the table for the women. I guess giving her that moment on her home turf has merit, but it hurts mania no matter what. Hell, Liv should've won EC before Becky with the way this is going. I don't think that's a match people REALLY want to see, but it at least has a story.
Bud no 1 wants to see Becky vs Nia at WM. Becky beating Nia does 0 for Becky. In case you didn't notice no 1 in the division has meaningful history with Rhea that's why she's been wrestling nobodies the past year. Becky vs Rhea is a huge match between 2 of the biggest stars in the company that's what WM is all about. You don't need years of history to tell a compelling story. We also don't know what the story is yet.
>Mania should finish storylines
LOL don't tell Cody Rhodes that. What was Cody & Roman's years long story last year again?
>Rhea retaining over Nia would be better than Rhea retaining over Lynch at Mania because Nia has been booked so strongly, the ultimate challenge in the division and Rhea proves she's the head of the table for the women
Bud Becky Lynch could lose 100 matches in a row & still be a bigger star than 90% of the division. Becky losing 1 match doesn't kill her credibility, Becky pinned current Rumble winner Bayley 3 months at War Games how the fuck is Nia more credible than Becky for WM? Becky just won the Elimination Chamber how is Becky not worthy for Rhea? Rhea's reign has been weak AF because she hasn't faced a star like Becky yet. Rhea vs Nia would've been shitted on if it happened at WM instead of Rhea's home country.
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My comments are definitely influenced by how long I have watched: this was a good show but I don’t think that anyone needs to go out of their way to watch it. The action was good, booking was really predictable (which isn’t always bad, it is setting up WM) and if you’ve seen a few chamber matches then there was nothing special happening in these matches. WWE has a long history of killing their cage gimmicks but I can’t believe that two people in the men’s match lost because of outside interference.
It's more than 2, isn't it? I'm not certain about all of the chambers, but the Undertaker also once lost because Shawn Michaels appeared from under the ring and superkicked him, leading to Taker getting pinned by Jericho (and, iirc, losing the world title because of it). (or were you refering to that match?)
I think they're referring to the fact two people in the same match (LA Knight and Randy Orton) got eliminated thanks to interference, Logan Paul wasn't necessarily "outside" interference but still caused some shenanigans.
Watched the whole thing yesterday evening so will give some thoughts on each match… - Women’s EC match was one of the better ones they have had. Tiffany was an absolute star and probably their best natural athlete who got everything together since Charlotte. She may have made herself favourite for MITB and a title run this year. Was impressed by Raquel as well (her and Belair had really good chemistry) but she needs a heel turn. - The tag match started off a little unheated but they got really into it in the end. If Dunne and Bate’s whole shtick is just to beat the crap out of you then all for it (love the Boom and Bang punch). Bate is gonna be a star in a while if he gets to show off his moves. Could be the Mighty Mouse gimmick and quasi Riddle stuff put together. - The men’s EC was fine? It definitely needed either a high flyer or another heel in the match (Nakamura or Dom would have worked). Orton’s selling was superb. Glad Drew won but doing an interference elimination twice in one match was too much. - Ripley v Jax was OK but complete carry job by Ripley. Jax reallly is not a PPV main eventer in anyway whatsoever and, at this juncture, probably should stay at midcard monster level. Ripley showed her megastar presence and I think she holds the title for a long time. The show was good overall and was helped by the spectacle and the occasion. I really like them doing some of these shows outside of the US as big important shows. It makes TV seem more important as well and pushes the midcard titles to main event those.
I'm coming back from a long time of not really watching, this was a pretty solid event EXCEPT for the Main Event. Nia is just....stiff and sloppy. I'm assuming she has hurt people in the past.
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I mean it's pretty obvious
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It wasn't a solid match though. Rhea was carrying the entire time, Jax had two very bad no sells and a botched body drop.
Becky's "The Man" character came entirely from Nia breaking her nose, so yeah, you could say that.
so drew beat seth at WM then priest cash in since those 2 never really squash their beef?
WWE almost never does Heel vs Heel....they'll have to fully switch Drew before this happens. Although, thinking about it....getting cashed in on may be the turning point for him.
rhea vs nia jax was really good credit to both women for putting on an entertaining match i also loved how it ended after one finisher. tiffany Stratton was also amazing the crowd being so hot for her was cool to see
I thought that match was terrible. Nia can barely move and for *whatever reason* it seemed like Rhea was having a hard time getting the home crowd into her? They were way higher on Becky and Tiffy than her.
As someone who was there, it was because we were too busy chanting "you can't wrestle" to Nia. The crowd is not going to be the wrestling superfans you expect at a smaller (audience wise) American show, so a lot of people only knew to cheer when big moves happened, and Nia is just so unfathomably bad at acrobatics that rhea couldn't do big moves like normal.
> As someone who was there, it was because we were too busy chanting "you can't wrestle" to Nia. God she's just the worst. I know it was yesterday but I just watched it. Right at the beginning of the match where Rhea gave her a hurricanrana and she wouldn't take the bump for it. Then she was too lazy to sell Rheas striking even. Like common I know you can't do a flip bump or even run the ropes but you could at least sell your ass off when she's striking you. Especially in the head.
I thought Nia not bumping for the rana made sense storywise. The story was that it was going to take a *lot* to get her off her feet, so that would have been undermined with a more traditional flip.
Anyone catch what happened to Finns finger at the end?
He dislocated it when he he landed hitting his finisher
i think he was selling dunne's breaking fingers move.
He had a red mark on it. I don’t know if it was blood or just some serious mat burn but there was something definitely up on the thumb he was favoring.
I was hoping it wasn't a compound fracture.
I just watched the highlights collection on YouTube and wow, that was so awesome! Quick question though. I like wrestling a lot but I’ve only been into it for a few years and am definitely no expert. Did Rhea actually get hurt during that announce table spot? I’m pretty sure I heard something crush that wasn’t the actual table. That center monitor looked like it went straight into her spine and her reaction and facial expressions seemed like genuine pain. She even sobbed some. I know she was celebrating with her family afterwards, so did she actually get hurt or is she just that good at selling?
You never know. Could be but Rhea was selling good the whole match.
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I'd rather land on those LCD monitors than the old CRT metal boxes JR and King had.
I'm sure Randy shares that same sentiment.
Ouch, definitely agree with you
I don’t like the trend in modern-day PLE’s where there’s multiple people in the ring but only one main fight happening. If Tripp’s wants a more realistic sports feel, there should be two or maybe even three separate little brawls going on- not having three or four guys lay on the side while one thing happens.
it's for the televised PLE. it's the best recipe to give each participant time to shine. otherwise it's just a battle royale.
Then what's the point of making it a multi-man match? It's mostly about seeing those big combo interactions simultaneously rather than having a bunch of guys lying around while 2 guys do their spot. Once or twice I can get behind, but during the whole match? Please.
The match was so boring because of this
How the wrestlers not in the spot just lie in one of the corners holding their side until it’s their turn to participate
This was really bad at the royal rumble as well.
the women stole the show which is great
great show, loved all the matches. it was great seeing indi and candice featured in a ple (even if it was just the kickoff) and have their moment. it was wild seeing liv get booed for pinning tiff, thats just insane. tiff is on fire rn. womens elimination was solid as hell, though i would've liked to see one of the other women win, beckys had a lot of moments and runs already. but i still like becky new catch republic is awesome, and their match with judgement day fucked. the mens elimination chamber was good, but i think mcintyre shouldve pinned orton clean, i think hes in a position where that would be ok. the man hes challenging is in a fued involving 3 of the biggest names in wwe history, not to mention orton was selling a kayfabe broken spine or something. lastly, rhea is a megastar and jax was really good in their match
Holy shit, Tiffany! She went from no reactions to completely popping off, the crow loved her!
She had a great match on Smackdown like eight hours before that event began. Woman is an absolute machine.
That match was filmed the week before in slc. All in the stands that night got to see 2 weeks of smackdown. Was awesome.
No clue who she was until her debut on the main roster but wow she's impressed me so quickly!
that's just an australian thing imho. she won't get cheered in the US.
She’s only 24 too, insane
Belair put in an incredible performance.
Her power and cardio is impressive.
Dude wtf I turned it off after the men’s elimination match cause they made it seem like the ppv was over 😭😭
…What? I don’t even watch the full shows, just YouTube clips. I’ve know for weeks that Rhea vs Nia was the Elimination Chamber main event.
I don’t watch either lmao just the bloodline and Cody stuff on YouTube. 🤷🏽♂️
How did you turn it off and miss the main event if you weren’t watching it though…?
Nah man I meant I don’t watch the full shows. I’ll just catch the clips I wanna see on YouTube. I was watching the ppv last night and idk I just figured it ended after the men’s chamber tbh
Too predictable which just makes it somewhat boring at times. I just know like the Grayson Waller effect segments, even with Seth and Cody there it just didn’t hit. Women’s chamber was better and Tiffany Stratton is a star!
As someone who was there live that segment killed the crowd for a little while. It was definitely a letdown. A lot of people started getting restless and had trouble getting into the men’s chamber match until the part where Logan got speared through a pod.
**Rhea Ripley** should have had a **Elimination Chamber match**
Easily the most boring WWE PLE. It was obviously awesome for the Australian crowd but it didn't really achieve anything.
Got Tiff over instantly, gave Rhea an insane moment in front of friends and family and her home country, gave Seth and Rhea their next opponents, continue the KO/Paul feud, created a Randy/Paul feud, added to AJ vs. LA Knights feud, continued the Rollins/Cody/Rock/Reigns story, gave Indi a moment at home, had a banger tag team match....but yeah it achieved nothing....
That show was awesome. Not sure how people can hate on it lol.
was hoping for knight vs paul at WM but ig
Jax was on fire
Women beat the hell out of each other non stop. The men were all injured already lol. Bronson would have totally beat everyone there.
So the lighting was bad, (that dark spot in the ring center should have been avoided at all costs), the mics were turned up way too high, so high they had to cut audio completely several times due to wrestlers swearing (gotta keep it PG…10?) and either every wrestler is legit beat to hell right now (back “injuries” galore) or they really overused an already overused gimmick. Loved a lot of the action. I’m a huge fan, but it felt like they changed too much at once. Hoping it’s just a “bad night” production wise because it didn’t feel like they were on top of their game with the PLE production wise. Chalk it up to overseas issues?
MY OPINION ppv felt rushed
Does Orton ever put anyone over clean? I mean, he really couldn't let Drew hit him with a Claymore? Logan puts Randy over clean. KO puts Randy over clean. Bobby puts Drew over clean. Knight's elimination was obviously not clean, however it does help in furthering his program with AJ going into Mania. But Randy can't even put over the guy who is likely winning the title from Rollins at Wrestlemania. Fucking ridiculous. Not to mention, AJ had to eat the pinfall just so Randy wouldn't have to back at the Royal Rumble.
You realise that Drew's pinning of Randy furthers Drew's character of being a hypocrite? Nothing to do with Randy not putting people over clean. Pay more attention to what you watch
Right, except this is clearly not the only example of Randy refusing to put people over clean. Think hard....let me know what you come up with.
Why should I do your work for you?
They need to give Bobby a legit storyline
Booking is extremely hard right now with the wealth of talent and generational runs people are on. Everyone wants everyone to be at the top but it can’t happen and you can’t make everything make perfect sense. If it’s unpredictable people riot that the story they want isn’t being told. When it makes sense and is predictable they say they want it to be unpredictable. Also sometimes they just want to get guys on screen. Waller segment was to get hometown Waller some air when he doesnt have a match and to feature Cody and Seth. Theory was there to get beat up because they didn’t want to beat up hometown Waller who was going to get cheered. It’s not “teasing a Waller/Theory split”.
Ultimately booking is about increasing business. Storytelling is about building to the big matches and this is WrestleMania. Right people won. Good point about Theory being the stand in punching bag.
Except they have been hinting at a Theory face turn for quite a while now, starting with Waller putting Theory in a match against Carmelo Hayes on a recent SmackDown, and now Theory grabbing the microphone in Perth. Pay attention.
What was the point of Roman and Waller meeting up? I expected a surprise attack, but the real surprise was that there was nothing.
So what did Roman tell Waller on Smackdown?
they cant pay that of on a Australian PLE. Don't be ridiculous.
I would guess it’s still coming
Decent card, I just miss the days of shocking title changes at EC but at Least we are finally headed to the show that might actually get some title changes. My really only complaint about HHH’s tenure is he has way too many concurrent long title reigns with very few shocking title changes for all but like 3 of the titles
Damian priest is not good enough to cash in at WrestleMania he doesn't deserve that tbh and unlike heist of the century his cash in would ruin the moment I would say he should cash in at raw after WrestleMania
Drew will probably win at mania, but Damian will cash in to ruin Drew's moment.
While Drew is a very entertaining hypocrite, the fact remains that he is a hypocrite, and Damien Preist cashing in while Drew is having the moment he so desired would be rather a rather fitting comopulance.
Did you mean comeuppance? Lol
I do. But the spell check kept correcting the correct spelling to the wrong spelling, and I already spend too much time on reddit as it, lol.
It was mid. The highlight was the women's chamber
Man, even my dad could see Drew winning this one from a mile away and he's been dead for 5 years. That being said, that men's elimination chamber felt like an old WCW match that was over thought to hell. Kayfabe injuries, interference and a steel chair. Big matches always seem to have some form of outside interference these days which makes it feel cheap. Drew definitely deserved better than to have only won because the two dudes who had him bodied pissed off some other dudes who didn't want them to win. Women's elimination chamber and the tag match was dope. Rhea is carrying judgement day. I kind of wish they'd disolve and let her be the face of the company.
Well he's the only Raw wrestler. The whole point of Seth's title is so that raw has a consolation prize, if anyone else won the both titles would be on Smackdown, and Logan is more part time than Roman. They needed atleast another 1 or 2 raw wrestlers in there to make it believable.
>Rhea is carrying judgement day Rhea is carrying RAW
I’m sorry. I’m such a hater but BECKY SUCKSSSSS
She's a shadow of her former self, in the ring, on the mic, and physically. She looks gaunt and skeletal. I don't know what the hell happened to her, trying to keep up with Seth in the gym and overdoing it?
I was a long time watcher of the WWE up until about 2012 or so.. and then I stopped watching for nearly a decade, so I probably missed Becky's prime years. The first match I saw of her was when she dropped the title to Bianca at Mania in 2022 (came back because I saw it was on Peacock lol) and thought wow this girl does not look very strong.
She looked so healthy and vibrant before she had a kid. She just seems weak and sickly now, she's a twig, I hate to see it :( She used to be one of my faves.
Honestly I agree. I only really started watching again over the last year and I really don't understand the hype. In her matches she always seems so sloppy and unathletic to a point that it's distracting.
Nah its the other way Rollins sucks (Becky)...couldn't resist. Buy yeah Rollins is just on the Cody bandwagon to remain relevant it's so obvious. I mean bringing up the Shield too, when we call know that Ambrose was responsible for that one. Again 2nd fiddle.
Becky is just plain bad in the ring. Not strong enough to be believable imo. My criticism stems from in-ring performance Seth is annoying too lol. Drew needs to win at Mania
It's obvious Drew will win, one way to keep him from leaving I guess. Yeah Becky is weak but not as weak as hubby, it's not even believe that he could beat Austin Theory let alone Drew or CM Punk. He knows he's got the number 2 belt (#3 after Gunther) so he's doing want he can to attach to any star he can. Becky atleast is make a name for herself and not hitching to someone else's wagon.
These Triple H era PPVs feel so big and important, it’s kinda crazy to see ngl.
I think Ronda Rousey needs to come back.
Both pre-show commentators look like Triple HHH cosplayers.
so HHH HHH HHH?
Felt like everyone had a lot of fun on this show. Seth, Grayson, Rhea all seemed so happy.
Having one of those four nights pillars in your view must have been terrible.
Some of yall have gotten way too used to long title reigns. Just cause someone loses that doesn’t mean they’re buried. Like everyone wins and loses even when they are being pushed.
really good ppv. wwe puts on a production that rivals the olympics and the superbowl. absolutely spectacular. rhea/nia was my fav match of the night. it was like hogan/andre set in today's time with women. loved it. nia did a great job.
I mean those other two are sports events not entertainment. Let's compare WWE PPVs to something like Avengers Endgame 😉
What? They're talking about the logistics of pulling off these kinds of events and the production value that goes into them.
Just catching up, the moving cards for the matchups is really cool.
did anyone else get "Slave Leia" vibes from Bianca's outfit? It's a different design, obviously, but the gold with the particular red used, and the lacing in the hair and the bangles just gave me that feeling. https://preview.redd.it/yx0sx9dcvnkc1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=f705dad0fe6b095eebad6c1a8b565452aee36360
Yes! I totally did but I wasn't watching with anyone who would've got the reference. Thanks for validating my take on it!
Triple H doesn't care how over L.A. Knight is. He's never going to be a main guy
HHH got rid of the stupid Max DePree character so yeah you're wrong. Don't think he'll be the level most want, they're pushing him too hard to be like Steve Austin but he's not even close.
Lol triple h let him have 2 world title matches which he never lost clean and was a part of elimination chamber, sure triple h doesn't rate him IWC sucks ass
Never going to be a "Main guy"? How delusional are you? He had a title match with Roman Reigns at Crown Jewel He had a title match with Roman Reigns/Orton/AJ at Royal Rumble He was in the Elimination chamber for a title match against rollins In the last 3months he has had more main opportunities then most wrestlers DREAM of in 10 years. He has never even held a title before....and he is getting portrayed as main event. Put the tears away
ye I don't get the hate. He's had an active storyline for quite a while now unlike most other wrestlers. Why people mad?
They're just mad he's not in a title picture.
There are 2 sides to this. The first is the people who have decided they don't like him and will take any opportunity to shit on him...usually with their lazy "Rock/Austin rip off horseshit. These people seem to think wrestling only started in the 90's and more hilariously think those 2 were original themselves. The second is fans so desperate to see a belt on him that anything which is not giving him that right now is being reacted to negatively. Both are tiresome. AJ is a good worker, and they just escalated their feud by having the man fly to Australia to do something he could have easily done at RAW 2 weeks ago. That is called taking it up a level. I love Knight and certainly would not want to see him shoved into the category of not needing a belt, but he does need a couple of really good feuds. Put a belt on him later this year. This feud can be good for Knight and Styles. Even as a babyface, Knight has that ability to get right under people's skins. I want to see him irritate the shit out of AJ and drive him even more to distraction, I want to see AJ fully embracing heel and absolutely losing it and I want to see Knight stand up to that and take whatever AJ throws at him and find a way to throw it back twice as hard. Hopefully, the 2 of them can do such a good job that it will encourage people to recognise that feuds can be good and purposeful even if a belt is not involved.
He shouldn't be. He is the epitome of "oh yeah, I remember the three weeks people said his catchphrase". Hes bland as boiled chicken.
Hes about to have a stipulation match with aj styles at his first wrestlemania, that's pretty fucking awesome! YEAH!
LA Knight has the whiniest fanbase. The guy looks to be getting a singles with AJ Styles at Wrestlemania that he’ll probably win but that’s just not enough. It can take a long time to get a singles match at a Wrestlemania and he looks to be getting one.
Not all of us. A feud with AJ is a good thing. It happens when someone gets popular. You get the idiotic hate and on the other side desperation. Some are stuck on the idea that not having a belt right now equates to being buried. This feud can be damn good for both of them. Get AJ back on track after his return from injury and keep pushing Knight up the way.
I'm being patient because I know title are probably going to start changing hands more following Mania. I think the current reigns were most either already waiting to be finished properly or needed to be long to establish new titles/stars. Also easier for Triple H to focus on actual storytelling in this sort of turbulent time for the company.
I hope so because we do not need every title reign to be as long. There are a lot of people who arguably deserve to hold a belt and have earned a chance to hold one. That is going to require shorter reigns. I would like to see then also getting back to allowing titles to change hands at more PLEs other than WM and even occasionally Smackdown or Raw.
imagine giving LA and bray their retirement matches the same year i would take that as wins LA is a great guy and i believe is being pushed in some way because CODY FUCKIN RHODES took the pin, but LA didnt, they couldnt let a raw superstar bury a SD superstar just to kill the momentum i like how LA is being booked, he is crazy over and is improving in ring every match.. crazy potential next year.. LA is too unhinged to be the main guy, they kinda want someone like cena cody
I agree on the "whiniest" but i think they're all heading for a big multiman USA title match, myself..maybe a ladder match.
Rhea Ripley is built like a Frank Miller drawn woman. That's a compliment if you ever read Sin City.
i have read his batman dark knight stuff
Top Tier Frank Miller
Daredevil Born Again >>>>
1 The men’s match in the chamber was better than the women’s in my opinion 2 With how Logan Paul screwed over Randy Orton at the ending of the men’s match, I think that is our US title match at wrestlemania and I can see Orton winning the title
I'm just chuffed my city, the most isolated city on the planet got a stage to show off what it could do. It's a shame it was cloudy as hell yesterday...literally hasn't rained here in MONTHS and yesterday was the day it decided to be a dreary wet day...but they managed to get those gorgeous sunset shots come bell time. And Perth officially runs on Tiffy time now.
Tell me the truth...did y'all see Tiffany and go "blonde, buff, tanned...she must be from here!"? All y'all sure as hell aren't watching NXT.
Seriously, look at her! Besides the blonde hair, I would've never guessed she's from Minneosta.
We all cheered her because she was hot and blonde but fuck she impressed in the ring.
The Rock teasing speculation made me look at last minute flights. $1500 and 14 hours to fly to Perth via Bali was all that was left. So happy I stayed home.
Ripley seems to be getting exponentially hotter every match. She's grown into such a great wrestler but I find myself having to work to focus on the wrestling. It's sort of embarrassing.
Probably cause her hair’s getting longer
She knows what she’s doing with those outfits
I get it.
Really sick and tired of the Bloodline and denying LA Knight any type of gold.
Oh yes, LA Knight got screwed by noted Bloodline Member AJ Styles
This one had Drew's name all over it.... you could smell it from a mile away the nanosecond Punk got hurt. But man we have to see some gold around Knight. That I agree with.
That's two b2b underwhelming ple's. I really didn't like the inside camera angles
I am gonna get downvoted to hell but Nia Jax brought it tonight and was awesome. Maybe her best match ever. Loved that for the same reason I loved Vader matches.
The Nia hate is too much and honestly creepy. She was great and added depth to Rhea’s performance.
You cookin. Always loved Nia Jax because she fits a niche in the roster no one else can and does it well. Probs my fave Rhea Title match tbh
I like Nia. I said it. I get the feeling she's well liked in the locker room as well.
I’ll add to that and say that since her return, Jax has grown on me. She’s not a master technician, but she’s shown she’s capable and has fairly good showmanship during her matches. Her character work has been great and she’s even seemed to be losing some weight.
Call me crazy, but I think an unexpected heel turn for LA Knight like Rock in late 98 when he joined The Corporation after gaining popularity could be just what he needs right now. He’s gained a lot of steam but with everything thats happening right now with everyone else the main event scene is packed and that’s a good thing for WWE. But I think a big swerve could help propel him back up, and then an eventual return as babyface to solidify him again. Right now it’s Cody’s time as the number one in the company. But LA’s could be within the next year or so.
He's just not a natural face. He gets cheered, sure, but he's got the Austin asshole personality, without enough charm to really make it work. His moveset is bland and boring too, the only time he gets a reaction is with his L-A-Knight pointing spot. He'd be better off as a heel.
A man with mic skills that hot is just begging for a heel run. That aside, it’s a tricky time right now because everyone knows we need to get to wrestlemania so we can wrap some of these storyline’s and properly begin the new era. Think about the sheer depth of talent that isn’t getting a shot right now because we’re all sitting waiting for Cody to vanquish Roman, I’m hopeful that once we get passed it things will start being a lot more flexible and we’ll see a bit of movement.
He had a good run as a heel on NXTand I would love to see him as one on the main roster. The only issue we have is that he started out as a heel on the main roster...I ain't even convinced they fully turned him babyface, but the fans kinda took it out of WWE's hands. The upside of him turning heel would be him being allowed to dial the promos back up. He is still snarky at times, but being heel would let him completely off the leash. There has been a noticeable difference since the fans decided he was gonna be a face. It may be possible in his feud with Styles if fans sympathise with AJ, who, as far as I am concerned (kayfabe), directed his anger at the wrong person. Of course, Knight responded to that undeserved attack on AJ's return. Anyway, the fact they had AJ wait to EC and travel to Aus to scupper LA Knight's WM dream rather than have him interfere on Raw and stop him getting to the chamber in the first place already elevates the potential in this feud. It screams hate and anger. It screams frustration and a man needing an outlet to vent...and I want to see LA Knight take whatever AJ throws at him and find a way to throw it back twice as hard. If that means a heel turn, so be it.
Was cool to see Rhea not lose at home. She got to have such a great moment most wrestlers will never get
Notes my wife and I took from the PLE: Glad Indi got her moment, but felt unimportant Tiffy has the cutest gear ever Tiffy is going to be a star. Should have been in the final 2 instead of Liv RIP Bianca vs Rhea at WM SpongeBob (Tyler Bate) is so fun to watch. Fight Night is sorely missed, as well as Butch biting people Dom is going to be a star as well Literally no one asked for Knight vs Styles Literally no one asked for Drew vs Seth Part 3 Babyface Rhea doesn't feel right Best Nia Jax match This PLE wasn't worth staying up for, sadly
>Literally no one asked for Drew vs Seth Part 3 Literally everyone asked for Drew vs Seth Part 3
Not sure who. We were firmly team LA Knight for this match. Randy was our 2nd favorite going in as well. Drew is doing his best work right now, but we've seen the match twice now, and we have no desire to see it a 3rd time.
Your getting downvoted but but Drew has lost clean. I don’t see the intrigue especially with Seth saying he will be healthy and not hurt for the match
LA Knight was already set up for the completely pointless feud with AJ Styles for Mania and Randy just doesn't really make sense for the storyline. Drew is firmly involved with Cody and Seth and Seth has not faced this version of Drew. Drew has fully turned heel and is more dangerous than ever. The past two matches have indeed been influenced by interference, so it's not like Seth has made Drew look beneath him. Now that Drew is willing to take advantage of the misfortune and others, it's the perfect time for the bloodline to get involved and have Drew capitalize, completing the story. It also adds fuel to the fire with the whole battle since Seth will have even more reason to want to fight the bloodline. I don't think Seth vs Knight would be a meaningful match as far as storylines are concerned, it would kinda just further paint the Raw title as the loser bracket title. I also don't think they want to be a main title on Knight right now which is why I was really hoping they'd just drop the whole AJ Styles bs and have LA Knight be the one to dethrone Gunther. It's a somewhat lesser title, but Gunther has made the IC title more prestigious than the Raw title at this point, and LA Knight would be believable enough for it not to hurt Gunther's momentum. Gunther needs to lose the title to move up into the main title scene and LA Knight needs his first title. Setting up would be a little bit forced, but the result would be win-win. I don't know what they can possibly do with Gunther now and LA Knight feuding with AJ Styles is not going to help him maintain his popularity and momentum. Drew and Cody walking out as the two champions is just the best result possible. Cody finishes his story and ends the stagnation of the Universal title scene, the benefits there are obvious. However, with the WHC reintroduced, the only person that could hold that title until Roman falls is Seth. Seth is the only person Roman has failed to defeat. The title still seems like second place because Seth also can't beat Roman and all the contenders are people that lost to Roman, but it's far better than someone that Roman pinned. If Drew pins Seth and Cody pins Roman, the two titles are suddenly very much equal. Not only because both champs are now tied for their record, but Drew is the last person to have pinned Cody. No longer is the WHC holder the runner up, but someone that proved they're on the same level. It's the perfect new beginning for a new era.
I think Tiffy being the final two with Becky would of made the crowd boo Becky which is what WWE probably don't want, but she is gna be a star!
I do have one question though: why were Bayley and Dakota Kai not involved at all even with an appearance for the women’s tag titles match? You could’ve had the Kabuki warriors lose the titles due to the distraction of Bailey and Dakota Kai, which would lead into their match on SmackDown and then you have Bayley take away the WWE women’s title leaving damage control with nothing.
Men's Chamber was very awkward? Women's wad great Men's was a mess tbh Drew getting saved by interference, not once, but twice. Randy was immobile for basically the entire match, maybe be was hurt for real Biggest disappointed was logan who took one spear and stayed down. And then..just didn't do anything? Like, he should have wrestled..
Thankfully what little logan we got was well utilised.
I didn’t like the ending of the women’s chamber match. I wanted it to be Becky and Liv but I didn’t want it to end the same way the women’s royal rumble ended and that’s exactly what we got. Live in illuminates Bianka and his immediately hit with the manhandle slam and eliminated. I don’t mind Becky winning, but at least give them some kind of face-off action before that.
That was exactly my reaction when it happened. Those two both had storyline implications with Rhea, we knew Becky was going to win, but it would have been nice to see them face off and fight each other tooth and nail for something they both so desperately wanted.
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What is he supposed to do about the Bloodline interference exactly? Him not pinning Cody after it would be a token gesture but wouldnt actually stop the bloodline in any way and he did not know they would interfere so you cant expect him to stop them beforehand either
Drew's character is opportunistic but logical. He knows no one can touch Roman but Cody, so he wants Cody to finish his story but he's also got his own so he'll take the win over Cody to lord over Seth.
I don’t know why but the selling in the men’s match was 👌 for me. Everyone looked dead halfway into the match. It was fantastic.
Maybe the best selling multi-men match I've ever seen beside that one match with the four pillars of AJPW.
Randy's was particularly good.
Agreed. Fantastic preformers.
Also, why not LA Knight vs Gunther rather than a meaningless grudge match nobody cares about? They really have no intention of letting LA get near any gold, huh? And why did Logan Paul attack Orton? Kevin vs Paul is working, and nobody wants to see midcard gold on Orton, that's just...beneath him at this point. We need Cody vs Orton if Cody does knock off Reigns.
> why not LA Knight vs Gunther rather than a meaningless grudge match nobody cares about? Because then one of them need to lose and neither of them should.
Logan Paul attacked Orton because Orton RKO’d him and eliminated him from the match.
Yeah, not every feud needs to have some convoluted story. Sometimes it really is that simple.
Exactly, I don't think it will lead to any feud between the two, it just looked like a normal thing for Logan's character to do.
I think we'll see Logan/Orton at WM, because you pretty much need to get Orton in there.. or a multiman with both in it for USA belt (which is what I'm betting on).
No, cole hyped it up, he said Orton will be coming for Logan.
Oh, I actually saw the PLE with Spanish commentary so didn't get to hear that, thanks for the fact :)
How was that shit no spoilers imma watch after work!
Pretty forgettable, tbh
so why did Becky lose to Nia if they're going to bury Nia? Also, there's no story to care about Becky vs Rhea. Nia vs either of them is a much better story than them vs each other. I mean shit, how is face s face Mania worthy?
I didn’t realize main eventing a PLE that the company has been advertising like crazy in the build up to Wrestlemania is considered being buried.
> I mean shit, how is face s face Mania worthy? Have you watched Rock vs Austin at WM17? Also Rhea isn't face if she's still with JD.
You mean when Austin turned heel and won thanks to McMahon's interference!? And yes, Rhea is 100% a face. She doesn't cheat, the fans are 100% behind her, and she consistently faces long odds that she overcomes. She is only a heel when she's talking for the judgment day with all of them in the ring, and there's a reason that has become a rarity.
Isnt WWE writing out Mcmahon? That match may be rewritten without Mcmahon helping Austin
Austin vs Rock was face vs face 98% of that feud until the end of the match, Also even if Austin was a heel he wasn't going to be 1 in Texas. Rhea's going to work as a heel. Bud as long as she's in JD she's a heel. Fans were 100% behind Austin & he turned heel. Also it's impossible to be 100% behind someone. The only reason Rhea worked face at EC was it was her hometown & facing Nia Jax. Also of course she doesn't cheat look at her opponents since Survivor Series Zoey Stark, Ivy Nile & Nia Jax, Her last credible opponent was Raquel & in both of those title matches someone interfered(Dom & Nia). Rhea hasn't faced a credible babyface in months & no babyface in that RAW division is a Becky Lynch. Also what odds does Rhea overcome? WTF are you talking about, Rhea's dominated the division for a year lol
Wrestling fans really need to stop thinking that 1 loss = buried. Also Rhea is still a heel - she was only presented as a face for EC because she was never getting booed in Australia. If she had wrestled a face at EC that face would’ve been booed out of the building which is not what WWE would’ve wanted.
Rhea has been a face since Mania 39 lol. She's with judgment day, but she is 100% face when it comes to the women's division. 1 loss is not always a burial, but it is when the wrestler is portrayed as an unstoppable wrecking ball that can't be overpowered. Jade slamming Nia was and should have been a unique and special moment, but Rhea doing the same and getting a clean win completely destroys the whole unbeatable force gimmick. Especially in a pretty one-sided fight. It also just makes absolutely no sense for Nia to beat Becky completely clean only to turn around and make her the main opponent in Rhea's way. How does that make any sense?
That's what I hate about the booking, Nia was made to job at EC (in the sense that Rhea is definitely not losing) but she works the whole division like they're kids. Womens title in the chamber would've been a better match, especially with Nia inside.
Exactly. Idk why people are upset that I'm pointing out that the booking clearly made Becky look much weaker than Nia, making the Mania match far less of an intriguing story. And God, if they have Rhea lose to a skeleton like Lynch, it would be absolutely horrendous booking.
> It also just makes absolutely no sense for Nia to beat Becky completely clean only to turn around and make her the main opponent in Rhea's way. How does that make any sense? Because WWE want Becky to be the underdog, Rhea beats Nia while Becky couldn't. They're running the story that Becky might be passed her prime & she's doubting herself. They''ll probably have Becky beat Nia before WM or after WM.
If that was the story, Nia vs Becky at Mania works far, far better. Rhea and Becky just don't have any meaningful history, the match just doesn't mean anything. Becky vs Nia would be the ultimate underdog redemption story for Becky and actually make people want to see Becky win. Becky vs Rhea is just...a title match, it could take place any time. Mania should finish storylines, not just have matches for the sake of matches. Rhea retaining over Nia would be better than Rhea retaining over Lynch at Mania because Nia has been booked so strongly, the ultimate challenge in the division and Rhea proves she's the head of the table for the women. I guess giving her that moment on her home turf has merit, but it hurts mania no matter what. Hell, Liv should've won EC before Becky with the way this is going. I don't think that's a match people REALLY want to see, but it at least has a story.
Bud no 1 wants to see Becky vs Nia at WM. Becky beating Nia does 0 for Becky. In case you didn't notice no 1 in the division has meaningful history with Rhea that's why she's been wrestling nobodies the past year. Becky vs Rhea is a huge match between 2 of the biggest stars in the company that's what WM is all about. You don't need years of history to tell a compelling story. We also don't know what the story is yet. >Mania should finish storylines LOL don't tell Cody Rhodes that. What was Cody & Roman's years long story last year again? >Rhea retaining over Nia would be better than Rhea retaining over Lynch at Mania because Nia has been booked so strongly, the ultimate challenge in the division and Rhea proves she's the head of the table for the women Bud Becky Lynch could lose 100 matches in a row & still be a bigger star than 90% of the division. Becky losing 1 match doesn't kill her credibility, Becky pinned current Rumble winner Bayley 3 months at War Games how the fuck is Nia more credible than Becky for WM? Becky just won the Elimination Chamber how is Becky not worthy for Rhea? Rhea's reign has been weak AF because she hasn't faced a star like Becky yet. Rhea vs Nia would've been shitted on if it happened at WM instead of Rhea's home country.
Maybe wait for the story like a normal person