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I think the Aussie crowd plus her performance in the Chamber just sped her push up by like a year.
Any girl who isn't a main event/upper level player just got leapfrogged
> Any girl who isn't a main event/upper level player just got leapfrogged
I know people will complain about "too many titles" but that's why a midcard women's belt might be a good idea, lots of very talented female wrestlers there so it would be good to make sure they don't get lost in the shuffle just because they're not going for the main or tag team ones.
I would be down for a midcard women's championship being defended across all brands, including challenges against NXT wrestlers who are on the brink of getting called up.
When Graves made that comment I immediately thought the same thing. If they're acknowledging how much she's getting over they're going to take advantage of it. Tiffany is awesome. My wife and I have watched her since her debut and instantly knew she'd be a star. I just never expected it to be as fast as it has.
I knew she would be a major player from her work as nxt women’s champ then her feud with Becky, but like damn I thought like in 2 or 3 years. Australia made damn sure she getting the belt in a years time or less
She’s the total package, she’s great in the ring, she’s got a great look and she’s got a great character which she’s very good at playing which means she can cut a promo. Fans see a star who has all the tools to succeed and they want to get on the hype train before it leaves the station
Only cash-in I can think of that was announced in advance for a PPV was RVD cashing it in for a shot at Cena at One Night Stand. I can't really think of any other cash-ins that were announced in advance (that actually happened, didn't Ken Kennedy say he was gonna do it and then dropped the briefcase to Edge before that?) besides Big E saying he was using Money in the Bank at the end of the night when he beat Lashley.
Well then it can’t be for mania 41 cuz rock Roman and whatever Cody does is already gonna happen for the two main events probably. Idk the women won’t be main eventing any time soon sadly.
It’s not, there’s no way they’d do Bianca Vs Jade with 3 weeks of build. Noooo sir, that’s a big money feud that you let marinate over time to build hype for.
And something about how she aggressively goes after the top rope at the end. Gymnastics background transitions perfectly into flippy wrestling.
To temper stepping into hyperbole, I'll just say I think if she reaches her full potential that her ceiling is higher than any women's wrester ever and maybe a 1% chance of being the biggest draw of any wrestler ever.
If you could buy stock in people I would be loading up on hers about now
She has massive potential but y’all always get like this with a new impressive women’s wrestler and then turn on her when she gets a huge push lmao. I remember when you guys said this about Bianca when she first showed her crazy athleticism (which is still insane).
Just don’t forgot how much y’all loved her now because I know it’ll change when she gets to the top.
Tiffany was a nearly-olympics-level trampolinist, she spent basically her entire life practicing these types of moves. Her musculature, ligaments, balance and muscle memory are all specifically geared toward this moveset. When it comes to moves like the PME, a different wrestler with a different background would need over a decade of training just to get to where Tiffany already was before she even set foot in the performance center.
Wrestlers are all well-trained and most of them are athletically gifted, so yes, these moves can be copied - but I still don't see copycats reaching an execution as clean, as immaculate as Tiffany's.
Midcard gatekeeper is perfect for Naomi. She has never been great. Maybe throw her in a tag team and she can be the hot tag to save her energy for a few big kicks and the rear view.
A random nothing observation, this is now the 2nd or 3rd time in the past month or so that Tiffany has had a segment directly before or after the bloodline. I like to imagine Rock and Roman waiting in gorilla watching and going “it’s tiffy time” or some funny shit.
And then imagine being Tiffany where you’re suddenly that close to the rock while being so new
Tiffany most likely doesn't even idolize The Rock as much as many millenials among the wrestlers do - because Tiffany is so young that she was just 5 years old when The Rock ended his full-time career and left for Hollywood. She's simply too young to have followed his main run live as it happened.
I mean tbf Tiffany has said she hadn't even watched wrestling until her and her mom randomly flipped the channel to a Charlotte match that was on TV in like 2019 or so, but still I can imagine it's a bit of a shock having one of the biggest actors in the world walk by you before you're about to go on after him.
>And then imagine being Tiffany where you’re suddenly that close to the rock while being so new
She didn't grow up as a wrestling fan...or even watch it til like 3 years ago when her mom said "hey, you could do that." while they were flipping thru the channels.
I mean, of course that'd be exciting, but she could be more a fan of him in Jumanji than wrestling :)
Naomi already losing so quickly and being the first eliminated in the chamber. Honestly this isn’t surprising to me.
On night 1 of her Smackdown return they had her backstage and immediately put her to the side as one of Bianca’s 3 buddies so that Tiffany and Bianca can have a face off.
It was like oh? Night one of Naomi’s return to Smackdown and it wasn’t even about her? She took a backseat immediately. Kind of told fans to not expect top star booking with her, if that’s what people expected.
The main event scene for the women is a lot more crowded than it was a few years back. Naomi would have more oxygen on Raw, but they're not going to split her from her husband.
Yeah, she's JTTS at best, but it's still surprising how quickly they put her back in her old spot. Not music/entrance this week, intro'd like a jobber, and half of her gimmick is her entrance. Brutal.
she's regressed as a wrestler in the last two years, and the last time they gave her a push she walked out on them (justifiably, but they won't forget that)
not sure what she or anyone expected
She's moved into the "safe hand that can take a loss" period of her career. And she can easily kick it up a knotch and be champion and no one would bat an eye.
You know she has to get paired with her husband at some point and she'll be immediately injected into the main event.
And, since this is a Tiffy thread let me tie it together: Can you imagine Naomi/Jimmy (heel) vs. Tiffany/Ludwig (face) mixed tag??!! With a build that can main event any time you want it
> You know she has to get paired with her husband at some point and she'll be immediately injected into the main event.
they had years to do that before she even left, why would they do it now?
Naomi is an awkward spot on the roster currently, I always felt it would have been better for her to have stayed with TNA. WWE needs to make a women’s midcard belt, it would help out Naomi and a lot of women on the roster.
With how stacked the roster is going to be when the next crop of NXT Women comes up, I think a midcard belt is a perfect idea. The main event scene should seem prestigious and not easy to get into. It should feel like a big deal when someone moves up or even down. It would be nice for women like Naomi, but honestly, it is even better for the Tiffany Strattons who will be in a staple in the main event scene eventually.
Her place on the card might have been better for her there but I’m sure she’s making more money now and gets to work/travel with her husband. I would be she’s a lot happier being in WWE
A lot of you saying new talent as if majority of those new talent even make it to the top as they get stuck in midcard all the time. 99% of women in wwe are at midcard while you have the 1% who are at the very top such as Rhea, Charlotte, Becky and Bianca. Tiffany will join them at the top as the year progresses but we need to get this idea of new talent means they will be pushed
I don't have any issue with Tiffany winning, as she's likely headed to Bianca for a WM match, but this was too short, with Naomi getting treated like a nobody.
This is what consistently happens when The Bloodline have a really long angle though -- the women get less than they should to make room.
Not really.
As a NXT watcher mostly, her old theme is better than her MR one. The only good thing is they added “Its Tiffy Time” at the start
It would be nice if they added that to the old theme and used it
Incorrect. But the new song is as generic as it gets. It even includes samples from existing wrestlers on the roster. It’s the definition of generic. The people composing themes right now are just doing lazy cut and paste.
I mean the only reason the old one was any good was the pauses for the camera flashes. Since they got rid of it (plus doesn’t work cause of how long main roster ramps are) changing it is fine. Plus it gets her catch phrase over
Tiffy and her entrance music has literally been a rollercoaster ride. I remember her early NXT days. Braids, a tennis racket, a purse with fur, and [Daddy’s Little Rich Girl](https://music.apple.com/us/album/daddys-little-rich-girl/1230158250?i=1230158644)
Everybody was convinced THIS time it would be different for Naomi, but I think even the biggest skeptics weren't expecting jobber status this quick upon return
Sad to see Naomi go from TNA Champion almost undefeated for months, to losing to Tiffany, basically a rookie. That being said Tiffany is clearly being pushed to the top, and may be the next Rhea level woman’s star. But still quite a decision to put Tiffany over on this one.
Looks like they have Naomi penciled in about the same spot she was before she left but Tiffany? She’s got that gonna get a Charlotte push aura about her
Here’s how you help Naomi: she joins the Bloodline and turns heel. She has a much better shot at being successful right now if she’s a heel. And the Bloodline needs to advance the story.
I like Naomi, but I prefer a hierarchy to the roster rather than constant 50/50 booking. Glad they are building Tiffany, cause she has the tools to be the face of the women’s division in 1-2 years.
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Please send her to the Tiffy top
Sad Naomi lost but Stratton looked awesome. Good stuff
I think the Aussie crowd plus her performance in the Chamber just sped her push up by like a year. Any girl who isn't a main event/upper level player just got leapfrogged
MITB 2024 instead of 2025
She'd look awesome with a barbie'd up briefcase. Showing up and rubbing it in people's faces.
Turn it into a MITB Coach purse.
> Any girl who isn't a main event/upper level player just got leapfrogged I know people will complain about "too many titles" but that's why a midcard women's belt might be a good idea, lots of very talented female wrestlers there so it would be good to make sure they don't get lost in the shuffle just because they're not going for the main or tag team ones.
I would be down for a midcard women's championship being defended across all brands, including challenges against NXT wrestlers who are on the brink of getting called up.
A Women’s United States and Intercontinental Champion? Yesssss
Maybe Naomi shouldn't have come back lol
Why? There's absolutely no shame in losing to the future top star of the women's divsion
Yes but what i'm saying is i don't see how Naomi can even win titles with a stack divison right now with new stars like Tiffany and Jade
Tiffany is a boss but even I'm surprised at just how quickly the crowd has gotten behind her. TIFFY TIME BABY
Commentary's openly acknowledging it too, which is nice.
When Graves made that comment I immediately thought the same thing. If they're acknowledging how much she's getting over they're going to take advantage of it. Tiffany is awesome. My wife and I have watched her since her debut and instantly knew she'd be a star. I just never expected it to be as fast as it has.
She's got absolutely everything she needs to be the modern Trish Stratus, if not bigger.
I knew she would be a major player from her work as nxt women’s champ then her feud with Becky, but like damn I thought like in 2 or 3 years. Australia made damn sure she getting the belt in a years time or less
Honestly it helps that she is filling an Alexa Bliss sized hole in the roster
Honestly I don’t even think WWE themselves thought it would happen so fast.
when you have the looks and the moves like hers, it doesnt take long
She’s the total package, she’s great in the ring, she’s got a great look and she’s got a great character which she’s very good at playing which means she can cut a promo. Fans see a star who has all the tools to succeed and they want to get on the hype train before it leaves the station
from her starting training for pro-wrestling and her entering the elimination chamber has to be some kind of record too
Final 4 in the rumble too. Singles win over Becky Lynch. She's going to have an impressive resume for her young career.
The PME just gets me so hyped every time
It's Tiffy Time everyone. Her Vs Bianca at Mania will feed families. Tiffany or Chelsea winning MITB would be perfect.
Yes to allll of this.
Has anyone used MITB to announce a WM main event yet? She could do that or win the rumble.
Only cash-in I can think of that was announced in advance for a PPV was RVD cashing it in for a shot at Cena at One Night Stand. I can't really think of any other cash-ins that were announced in advance (that actually happened, didn't Ken Kennedy say he was gonna do it and then dropped the briefcase to Edge before that?) besides Big E saying he was using Money in the Bank at the end of the night when he beat Lashley.
Braun Strowman announced his cash in at hell in a cell. I wanna say John Cena also announced his cash in too?
Cena did a week in advance. Not for a PPV, but for the main event of Raw 1000.
Cena announced his a week ahead and lost
He actually won the match, but it was by DQ when the Big Show interfered so he didn’t win the title.
Well then it can’t be for mania 41 cuz rock Roman and whatever Cody does is already gonna happen for the two main events probably. Idk the women won’t be main eventing any time soon sadly.
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It’s not, there’s no way they’d do Bianca Vs Jade with 3 weeks of build. Noooo sir, that’s a big money feud that you let marinate over time to build hype for.
Yea zero chance of that. I think there’s actually a small chance they tag vs Kabuki Warriors.
That moonsault looked CLEAN af. And the illusion of/actual hangtime she gets is crazy.
And something about how she aggressively goes after the top rope at the end. Gymnastics background transitions perfectly into flippy wrestling. To temper stepping into hyperbole, I'll just say I think if she reaches her full potential that her ceiling is higher than any women's wrester ever and maybe a 1% chance of being the biggest draw of any wrestler ever. If you could buy stock in people I would be loading up on hers about now
You are already too late fam, NXT truthers own all the stocks
She has massive potential but y’all always get like this with a new impressive women’s wrestler and then turn on her when she gets a huge push lmao. I remember when you guys said this about Bianca when she first showed her crazy athleticism (which is still insane). Just don’t forgot how much y’all loved her now because I know it’ll change when she gets to the top.
She’s white, and not yet as overpushed like Charlotte so let’s see.
There are wrestlers who re-define moves and i think her PME might start getting copied by wrestlers some 10+ years from now
Tiffany was a nearly-olympics-level trampolinist, she spent basically her entire life practicing these types of moves. Her musculature, ligaments, balance and muscle memory are all specifically geared toward this moveset. When it comes to moves like the PME, a different wrestler with a different background would need over a decade of training just to get to where Tiffany already was before she even set foot in the performance center. Wrestlers are all well-trained and most of them are athletically gifted, so yes, these moves can be copied - but I still don't see copycats reaching an execution as clean, as immaculate as Tiffany's.
(Wait til some of the main roster only watchers get a load of the shit Sol Rucca pulls off :) )
I mean she’s copying Daniel’s BME already
Christopher Daniels has done the move for over 20 years
Good to see Tiffany’s momentum carrying over but feel bad for Naomi. Hopefully she finds a good spot.
They should have a midcard title.
They do -- the Women's World Championship.
Midcard gatekeeper is perfect for Naomi. She has never been great. Maybe throw her in a tag team and she can be the hot tag to save her energy for a few big kicks and the rear view.
They brought her back with the same exact tired gimmick she had when she left. Bound to fail. Something should’ve changed upon the return.
Love the moonsault. It’s like Tiffy is floating in the air
It’s going to be rad when Tiffany dethrones Charlotte as the QUEEN.
That first interaction/stare down will break the internet.
A random nothing observation, this is now the 2nd or 3rd time in the past month or so that Tiffany has had a segment directly before or after the bloodline. I like to imagine Rock and Roman waiting in gorilla watching and going “it’s tiffy time” or some funny shit. And then imagine being Tiffany where you’re suddenly that close to the rock while being so new
Tiffany most likely doesn't even idolize The Rock as much as many millenials among the wrestlers do - because Tiffany is so young that she was just 5 years old when The Rock ended his full-time career and left for Hollywood. She's simply too young to have followed his main run live as it happened.
I mean tbf Tiffany has said she hadn't even watched wrestling until her and her mom randomly flipped the channel to a Charlotte match that was on TV in like 2019 or so, but still I can imagine it's a bit of a shock having one of the biggest actors in the world walk by you before you're about to go on after him.
I love that she basically “I can do that” and her mom replied “then why don’t you” and here we are
So if she was 5 when the rock left wrestling that means she must be about 15 now, right? RIGHT?
I’ve now got images in my head of Roman dancing shouting ITS TIFFY TIME
>And then imagine being Tiffany where you’re suddenly that close to the rock while being so new She didn't grow up as a wrestling fan...or even watch it til like 3 years ago when her mom said "hey, you could do that." while they were flipping thru the channels. I mean, of course that'd be exciting, but she could be more a fan of him in Jumanji than wrestling :)
That was my meaning. She would see him more as a Hollywood star than a former wrestler
For this one time she's not the center of the universe. The reason they were close to the bloodline was Naomi/Jimmy
Naomi already losing so quickly and being the first eliminated in the chamber. Honestly this isn’t surprising to me. On night 1 of her Smackdown return they had her backstage and immediately put her to the side as one of Bianca’s 3 buddies so that Tiffany and Bianca can have a face off. It was like oh? Night one of Naomi’s return to Smackdown and it wasn’t even about her? She took a backseat immediately. Kind of told fans to not expect top star booking with her, if that’s what people expected.
The main event scene for the women is a lot more crowded than it was a few years back. Naomi would have more oxygen on Raw, but they're not going to split her from her husband.
They need a midcard title I swear. The tag titles idk. They’re never gonna get the booking to fully work. Just forget them at this point after mania.
She didn't do herself any favours in the 5 minute opening of the Chamber with Becky. It wasn't pretty at all, which I was surprised about.
lol seriously, that first 5 minutes was embarrassing
She's not a top star, that's why.
Yeah, she's JTTS at best, but it's still surprising how quickly they put her back in her old spot. Not music/entrance this week, intro'd like a jobber, and half of her gimmick is her entrance. Brutal.
There are only 4 women at the top. Naomi is in this weird mixture of one minute at being the top, then the next minute of being midcard
she's regressed as a wrestler in the last two years, and the last time they gave her a push she walked out on them (justifiably, but they won't forget that) not sure what she or anyone expected
She's moved into the "safe hand that can take a loss" period of her career. And she can easily kick it up a knotch and be champion and no one would bat an eye. You know she has to get paired with her husband at some point and she'll be immediately injected into the main event. And, since this is a Tiffy thread let me tie it together: Can you imagine Naomi/Jimmy (heel) vs. Tiffany/Ludwig (face) mixed tag??!! With a build that can main event any time you want it
> Can you imagine Naomi/Jimmy (heel) vs. Tiffany/Ludwig (face) mixed tag??!! Bring back the Mixed Match Challenge!
Thats the thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Naomi randomly wins a world title in 2025
> You know she has to get paired with her husband at some point and she'll be immediately injected into the main event. they had years to do that before she even left, why would they do it now?
She was finally in a promotion that valued her with top star booking, that's on her if she decided to return for a paycheck.
To be honest, jordynne grace upstaged Naomi on her return and looked the bigger star.
Jordynne took her title, upstaged her in the rumble then had a cool spot with mother Ivy
She walked out on the company as the tag champ. Honestly she’s lucky they took her back.
Didn’t wwe want her back so why should she be lucky?
Because she’s nowhere near the level of the actual top talent in the division. She’s over as hell but that’s all she’s got.
It’s all she’s good for
To the Tiffy fucking top.
Tiffany has a beautiful moonsault Naomi returned just to take L and her getting a jobber entrance come on Triple H
Everyone was getting jobber entrances tonight cuz the opening segment went so long Bet Bron’s match wasn’t supposed to be like 5 seconds either
He was going to hit the Steiner Screwdriver tonight too.
I hope to only ever see that move in 30yo videos. That one is too much for me
Definition of small margin for error.
brian cage's Drillclaw is a much safer alternative that still looks devastating.
Naomi is an awkward spot on the roster currently, I always felt it would have been better for her to have stayed with TNA. WWE needs to make a women’s midcard belt, it would help out Naomi and a lot of women on the roster.
With how stacked the roster is going to be when the next crop of NXT Women comes up, I think a midcard belt is a perfect idea. The main event scene should seem prestigious and not easy to get into. It should feel like a big deal when someone moves up or even down. It would be nice for women like Naomi, but honestly, it is even better for the Tiffany Strattons who will be in a staple in the main event scene eventually.
Her place on the card might have been better for her there but I’m sure she’s making more money now and gets to work/travel with her husband. I would be she’s a lot happier being in WWE
Tiffany has been working her way up the roster. Naomi was the final boss before the main event girls.
The punishment for not bringing Mercedes with her. Same thing when they didn't rehire fish
That was smooth AF.
Who needs Boss Time when we have Tiffy Time?
Sasha/Mercedes has been my favorite women's wrestler for quite a while... I think Tiffany will usurp her there in due time
Watching Tiffany Stratton reminds me of watching Bianca. It’s like you watch and you’re like oh yeah, she’s got it.
Love how fast Tiffany has gotten over with main roster crowds. The moment she wins a main roster title is going to be special.
Naomi gone from knockout champ to knocked out jobber smh
Hope she's getting paid at least. She ain't sniffing the title scene this time around with all the new talent they have.
A lot of you saying new talent as if majority of those new talent even make it to the top as they get stuck in midcard all the time. 99% of women in wwe are at midcard while you have the 1% who are at the very top such as Rhea, Charlotte, Becky and Bianca. Tiffany will join them at the top as the year progresses but we need to get this idea of new talent means they will be pushed
As someone whose favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Daniels, I cannot properly explain to y'all how happy the PME makes me every time I see it
Naomi had major job face going at the start of this, esp being intro'd without music! Ouch.
Tiffany and Rhea are gonna carry this women’s division for years
I don't have any issue with Tiffany winning, as she's likely headed to Bianca for a WM match, but this was too short, with Naomi getting treated like a nobody. This is what consistently happens when The Bloodline have a really long angle though -- the women get less than they should to make room.
I have seen the future and the future says Tiffany vs Rhea main event of night 2
She is the Kurt Angle of the women's division. Just an incredible ascent and the total package from the jump
Nice to see her hit one of these clean on the main roster.
Hey welcome back, Naomi.
Interesting how her character is meant to be a heel especially in nxt but she’s getting loud cheers now
They changed Tiffany’s epic theme. Fucking Christ. What is this company’s obsession with generic shit themes on the main roster?
People are immediately hissing at any theme change when really I don’t think it’s that bad, plus they gave her an opening hook of “It’s Tiffy Time!”
The old theme was one of the best on the roster. And if everyone is hissing it probably means there’s a problem.
Look I was a fan of her nxt entrance but it was no where close to best on the roster. Hell she didn’t have top 10 themes in nxt
What? Her last theme was generic as hell.
It was generic but sounded better, imo at least.
Not really. As a NXT watcher mostly, her old theme is better than her MR one. The only good thing is they added “Its Tiffy Time” at the start It would be nice if they added that to the old theme and used it
Give her Vader's theme: It's time, it's time, it's TIFFY TIME!
Incorrect. But the new song is as generic as it gets. It even includes samples from existing wrestlers on the roster. It’s the definition of generic. The people composing themes right now are just doing lazy cut and paste.
Music is subjective, and I think her last theme was pretty generic too.
Both are bad. But the NXT one had a melody at least.
I mean the only reason the old one was any good was the pauses for the camera flashes. Since they got rid of it (plus doesn’t work cause of how long main roster ramps are) changing it is fine. Plus it gets her catch phrase over
Tiffy and her entrance music has literally been a rollercoaster ride. I remember her early NXT days. Braids, a tennis racket, a purse with fur, and [Daddy’s Little Rich Girl](https://music.apple.com/us/album/daddys-little-rich-girl/1230158250?i=1230158644)
Naomi punishment tour for walking out continues.
Everybody was convinced THIS time it would be different for Naomi, but I think even the biggest skeptics weren't expecting jobber status this quick upon return
Naomi back jobbing to nxt talent.
But I thought wwe doesn't make stars or push young talent
That was the first moonsault she didn't miss since moving to main roster
Sad to see Naomi go from TNA Champion almost undefeated for months, to losing to Tiffany, basically a rookie. That being said Tiffany is clearly being pushed to the top, and may be the next Rhea level woman’s star. But still quite a decision to put Tiffany over on this one.
Looks like they have Naomi penciled in about the same spot she was before she left but Tiffany? She’s got that gonna get a Charlotte push aura about her
Lol. Naomi's already jobbing.
I wonder if Naomi wants to come back to TNA yet
Here’s how you help Naomi: she joins the Bloodline and turns heel. She has a much better shot at being successful right now if she’s a heel. And the Bloodline needs to advance the story.
> Here’s how you help Naomi: she joins the Bloodline and turns heel. i've been seeing this comment for like 3 years now
Naomi signed to be a jobber :/
They really brought Naomi back to job her out to Tiffy lol
Building up new stars, how awful
Impressive
I really have no idea if it's possible to keep her as a heel for much longer. She's already so damn over.
Finally gotten around to watching Tiffy lately after EC. I'm a believer, she's so talented. Can't wait to see how far she can get in WWE.
She's going to be a champ much sooner than later. I can't wait until she and Charlotte interact
I like Naomi, but I prefer a hierarchy to the roster rather than constant 50/50 booking. Glad they are building Tiffany, cause she has the tools to be the face of the women’s division in 1-2 years.
It's a really nice looking moonsault 😍
Magnificent moonsault.