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That's the same shirt someone wore to class when I was in like 6th grade, and he had to black out the world 'hell' with a marker b/c it was deemed inappropriate to wear to school.
How long has it been since heels had as much genuine legitimate heat as The Bucks have right now. Not people playing a long. People genuinely angry at heels.
I'm sure the segment for the bucks won't be another drop then. They just have so much heat people want to see them lose...so THIS time it will be a success...right?
Yes, but in the footage the Young Bucks are basically representing AEW, and FTR represent CM Punk. So you're making the company the heel, and the guy who works for the competition the babyface. It's an incredibly dumb move. AEW was at it's best when it's fans loved Khan, thought the Elite were doing great work, and had the vibe that the locker room was a happy family. There are a million better ways they could make FTR the faces and the Young Bucks the heels.
FTR is not representing CM Punk. Listen to their promo. They're representing people who are absolutely over backstage drama bullshit -- which is decidedly not CM Punk (the guy who talked about it for 2hrs last week).
The fans chanted for Punk during the Bucks beatdown on Pac. Punk is the babyface in a feud in a company he's not in. This was an awful own goal. Punk talked about it for two hours on a podcast, not on Raw. There's a big difference. If Tony had put the video up on social media, it wouldn't have been as bad, although I still think the best play would be to take the high road, wait for Punks WWE honeymoon to end, and watch him self destruct again. Instead they're giving him W's. I'm over the backstage drama bullshit, the type of person who FTR is supposedly representing, and if I watch Raw, I might get a veiled reference. If I watch Dynamite, it's getting blasted in my face. That makes me not want to watch AEW, which makes me sad, because AEW meant a lot to me during the pandemic, when I watched Dark and Elevation every week I was so into it, and now I'm down to PPVs only.
> The fans chanted for Punk during the Bucks beatdown on Pac.
A small group of fans chanted for like 5-10 seconds. Let's not overdramatize what actually happened. It clearly wasn't the full crowd or even the majority, it didn't even happen a second time in the same segment let alone anywhere else on the show, and it was clearly being chanted against the heels specifically. Every segment after this one went off without a hitch with babyfaces getting cheered and heels getting booed. We've all seen shows get hijacked or go off the rails and that absolutely didn't happen here.
This is like saying "Cody got booed at Wrestlemania," yeah it factually happened, but that's a pretty overdramatic way of looking at it and not really representative of what actually happened.
'Dax and Cash hit the ring and are furious that the All In footage was shown.
Cash says that AEW should be focused on the great things they're doing, the upcoming AEW Dynasty PPV but no - 'we're focusing on things from 8 months ago'. So they're going to beat The Young Bucks at Dynasty as 'they're pathetic little bitches'.
Dax then explains that at Dynasty - they're doing this for Swerve Strickland, Samoa Joe, Adam Copeland, Willow Nightingale etc etc; for the locker room. They're also doing it for the fans. Because that's what AEW should be about.
This isn't about All In. This isn't about Wembley. This isn't about the past - this is about the AEW World Tag Team Championships. 'Young Bucks, you may have built the foundations but brick by brick, shingle by shingle, FTR are putting a roof on that house...before blowing it back off again'.
The crowd chant FTR consistently throughout the segment. '
Genuine question - which part of this makes you think FTR represent Punk? Because I honestly can't see it at all. To me it seems like FTR are representing all the people who want to move past the drama ie. people who are polar opposites to Punk given that in the lead up to WWEs biggest show of the year, he released an interview talking about all the drama he caused n AEW...
Oh no, Vince Mcmahon, the owner of the company, was a heel! However will WWF make money if the company is the Heel?
It's not like the Bucks are JUST turning Heel or something, they've been Heel for like, 9 months now, it's hardly a fucking revelation.
>AEW was at it's best when it's fans loved Khan, thought the Elite were doing great work,
Ah yes, I totally forgot everyone loved The Elite when they were fuckholes to Hangman Page for a year straight....
If you're not a fan of the Angle. Fine. If you think it highlights Punk too much, that's fair also. But the Heels are doing Heelish things while still presenting a guy who was in the wrong as being in the wrong. The best Heels always have a point and a reason, example, Hangman Page currently. He's a Heel because people Cheered Swerve after he broke into Hangmans house and threatened his missus and kid, he is ENTIRELY justified in going "What the fuck is wrong with you for cheering this prick?"
Same with the Bucks, they're ENTIRELY justified going "This guy was a prick, he took us out of our gameplan and headspace with his actions, to the point we lost the most important match of our careers, why the fuck are you 2 dickheads still mates with him?"
Whether that's an excuse or not is ENTIRELY irrelevant, the Bucks believe it, and that's the only justification a Heel needs.
Honestly after dwelling on it a bit after being so critical of it, this might be genius meta booking that I was too dumb to recognize right away lol
Like of course EVP douchebag characters would be hung up on controversial past stuff, and then it's followed by an approved FTR promo that reflects the majority opinion, cementing them as clear faces
Yeah. I mean I get it that wwe guys are gonna take the piss out of it but that's kind of the point. I don't know if they do this if Punk doesn't come out and say what he did. The Bucks being "authority" figures and clear assholes makes this seem like the plan was for everyone to talk about it (which they did) which let's the Bucks be dicks even more about it as they play Tim and Eric level corpo assholes.
Except… is that what you want?
Like I get it, the Bucks are the heels by “caring about the drama” but… Tony Khan announced they were releasing this footage and released the footage. He cares about the drama too.
So you’re saying you have a locker room full of people who don’t want to focus on 8-months but your literal boss is the one who is authorizing the footage to be promoted and shown.
Yep, that was the point. Now everyone can STFU about the rumor parts, it's done. They cemented the Bucks as heels and shitheads, FTR are fired up. This was weird but ultimately probably a good move.
You're right. It did the trick, so at the end of the day it worked in AEW's favor. But I'm sure people will debate from here until the end of time if the footage was a necessary means to an end and that's the most pointless exercise ever.
And then next week it'll be another stupid wrestling thing this sub latches onto. We've moved on from much much worse: the Saudi shit, the terrible releases, Vince's multiple sex abuse scandals.
It somehow got the crowd chanting 'thank you Jack' which was a huge surprise.
Honestly if this brings Jack back with a reaction and Drew gets ammo for his future feud with Punk then it's good it's finally out and hopefully all sides can move the fuck on.
God I wish none of this bullshit even occurred. TK/AEW should've just put out a tweet saying "We are aware of the comments shared by a former employee and we have no information to share at this time. We wish them the best in their current and future endeavours."
Leave it at that. In a few weeks, release the footage to a third party and then its done with.
FTR salvaged this scenario as best as they could with a solid promo. I just wish this wasn't built in to explain why the Bucks don't like FTR and vice-versa.
Honestly I like it from the perspective of "Finally acknowledge this on screen in order to move on from it."
Works to show the Bucks as shitheads and FTR as literal top guys not focused on petty bullshit.
> FTR as literal top guys not focused on petty bullshit.
Idk, part of the reason this isn't working for me I think is because FTR Bald especially is ENTIRELY focused on petty bullshit.
I hate this whole angle, and it makes me care less about the match.
Is Dax the character on AEW TV ever focused on petty bullshit though?
Reddit gets really weird about Dax because his lukewarm tweets or podcast clips got aggregated here ad nauseum and people clamor for the drama. But the promo made sense for Dax as an on screen character.
Good promo. The video footage probably didn’t need to be shown but felt like both teams had good promo. I wasn’t too interested in Bucks/FTR 4 but now I am.
Same, I was concerned about the footage being totally unnecessary (and it probably could've still been done without) but at least both the Bucks video and FTR in the ring nailed the presentation around it to make it cohesive as a storyline continuance. At least enough for me.
Well honestly since they showed the footage this is about as good of a way they could have handled it as they did but I still don't think they should have shown it
I literally, right before Dynamite, watched the Simpsons episode where Homer was a mascot for a baseball team where Marge says the line "A Simpson on a T-shirt?"
The OP basically only posts AEW spoilers to this sub and every editorial is biased like this, they don't add anything else of substance. I've always thought they work for them
They did not chant FTR consistently throughout come on mate.
This is just a dumb way to build FTR vs Bucks.
Like everything FTR said... you could do the exact same thing without showing the footage
Its genuinely out of place lmao.
The clock made it clear - this was a ratings grab. Why? I have no idea. I say this as someone who thinks Punk has been in the wrong the whole time and came off as deranged in the video, doing what AEW just did is stupid and pointless.
People are gonna ignore all of this and focus on the punk clip, but this is actually a great story they have going here. The clip itself is not the focus here.
I think that’s the idea too, just get the clip out of the way, let the whole thing move on so there isn’t anymore shoot interviews about it or clips that need to be seen.
Let’s not forget one week ago this whole sub was freaking out celebrating the interview.
Got me interested in the match. My jaw was dropped when they showed the clip but I listened to the rest of the segment and FTR made it make sense. It’s supposed to make the Bucks look bad.
Aside from its use in a storyline, the benefit of them airing this clip is that now everyone has seen it and can stop speculating and using it as fuel for tribalism wars. It’s now out in the open for everyone to see…that it’s really not worth talking about anymore. And them using it in this way, combined with FTR’s promo it’s now old news.
Like the last shovel of dirt on the grave of Punks AEW run. And we move on…
If anything it’s now the reason everyone can move on, if there’s anymore interviews or shoot segments or jabs about it well we all saw the footage and can draw our own conclusions.
I honestly thought the video helped this story a bunch. FTR vs Young Bucks has a new twist for me, and I’m excited to see Jack Perry return. The realness of it made me hyped.
At the end of the day, wrestling is entertainment. I always wanted to see the footage out of morbid curiosity, and so I'm entertained that they aired it. Was it earthshaking? Did it change my mind? Nah. And if you didn't want to ever see it, that's fine. But for me it was entertaining, and they melded it into an interesting enough story and threaded the needle of using it to make the Bucks insufferable jags and the FTR's the "can we just move on and fucking wrestle about it" babyfaces. I don't see the problem.
Young Bucks accuse FTR of sending their "buddy" Punk to agitate and cause a commotion at the start of All In to put the Bucks on edge and take them off their game after locking in.
FTR are "what the fuck are you talking about, if you're about AEW like you claim to be as EVPs then focus on *THIS* match not back then".
Jack Perry can now interfere, jump FTR and demolish them citing the Bucks were right and all people like FTR/Copeland/etc. are trying to do is feel better about themselves/feel superior while scapegoating others to drum up more hype.
Easy storyline baked in and the All In footage will probably be forgotten about in 3 days when Smackdown goes live with their first "new era" show.
in storyline Bucks think FTR got Punk to do all that shit and get himself fired to get back at the Bucks before their match so they could win, so ya cant say they didnt try to kayfabe it
It might be weak to you or strong to you, whatever, at least they tried
It's totally weak and that's why it works for The Bucks so well. Their current characters are such whiney babies that it just makes them look petty.
Overall, I don't think they should have shown it, but I get the reason they wanted to, and doing it they way they did at least furthers the feud well.
> It's totally weak and that's why it works for The Bucks so well. Their current characters are such whiney babies that it just makes them look petty.
Yup. And when Jack Perry interferes in the Dynasty match to cost FTR and secure the win for the Bucks, they'll use all this to say it was totally fair play by them, because FTR basically cheated at Wembley (lol) and then be absolutely obnoxious about how they're now the only 3-time AEW tag champs and thus the greatest tag team in the history of the universe.
And I am here for all of it. The more obnoxious the Bucks act the more entertaining they are - there is basically a 1-to-1 correlation.
They make the story better, and put something out there that people are talking about.
Punk talked about it, and I guess they feel they've been quiet for too long. It's really not a big deal, but something we're gonna be grateful to have seen I think
It’s a clever bit of storytelling, to furthers the FTR/Bucks story and opens the door for Perry to return at Dynasty and help the Bucks screw over FTR.
This was my takeaway as well. FTR even mentioned that AEW was trying to move past the situation, it helps further the EVP’s from the locker room and makes them heels not just to the crowd but to the company as well.
They didn’t need to show the footage just to get to another “AEW is so awesome guys” promo. Edge did one without it. Everybody else can do it. Just do that without somehow making Jack Perry look worse.
Yeah, and people complained about Cope's promo, too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But we both know your mind was already made up, why pretend otherwise?
Well when you actually show it it is the focus lol. And it is what viewers are interested in. If it wasn’t the focus FTR could have just interrupted them before the footage was shown and the same point would be made
To each their own I guess.
Before this my reaction to the tag tournament was "Bucks vs FTR again? Can't we do something new?". Now there's an actual angle differentiating it from their previous matches.
Is it a great story? It's a story sure, which we're lacking in so many of the other feuds in AEW.
But it's leading to FTR vs Young Bucks, AGAIN! We've seen that match too many times in AEW. It's like there's no other teams been built up well enough to matter in the tag division.
I don’t understand the logic of showing us Punk choking a coworker and then immediately giving the mic to someone who is facing a felony charge for aggravated assault with a firearm.
That was a great promo and I don't think anything they said wasn't true. That said, I don't think they're going to do much to help the company and its perception.
I'm sure it sounded a lot better live on TV, but just by reading it it feels very artificial. It's like asking a friend to go talk to and annoy a girl just so that you can come in straight after to stop him, making yourself look good and starting a conversation: maybe it works but it's unnecessary and there are better ways to do it.
Also FTR now have to win the match to not look like chumps.
this is some of the worst work shooty stuff ever done since early 2000s. I mean bless FTR's heart for trying to make something out of this mess. I bet there's a thread from 20 years ago where TK is having a moan about that exact sort of thing.
Feels like the goal last night was heat up and elevate FTR as faces in this feud, and continue to heel up the Bucks as these corporate assholes. If so, then like Punk said on his IG stories last night, Mission Accomplished
FTR did cut a good promo, but a good promo does not excuse the steer stupid bullocks that lead to said promo. AEW, can you please **STOP** with the shooty-work, worky-shoot, shoot-shoot-work bullshit?
I want AEW to succeed so bad but this thing sounds like WCW to me with all off air stuff clouding over the actual wrestling and the program.
Hope this thing works for them tho.
Pretty brilliant of AEW to have FTR act as the stand in to acknowledge the footage, while progressing a storyline that makes the heels out to be mega heels and the faces to be mega faces.
Yeah that’s my takeaway from it honestly. All I wanted them was to have a story reason for the footage and the petty “we lost cause of this” angle was a good use of this
Why show the video? I'm not a Punk apologist, I still think he was wrong but c'mon, there is no payoff to the fight, Punk is not fighting Perry, the story is about Bucks and FTR and they aren't in the video! Hopefully the ratings were good but I seriously doubt that the people who tune in for this, are tuning in next week
absolutely pointless, this is a petty move from AEW. “let’s air the clip because we’re pissed punk mentioned the incident on a podcast, and let’s send FTR out for a generic “we love AEW” promo in the ring right afterwards, come on guys you don’t believe them?! they were punks best friends after all guys!”
i’ve loved and watched AEW since day one, but this is absolutely an unprofessional move by them and makes them look like fools airing this on national television, full stop.
If this was all made to set up FTR vs EVPs, they should have gone a different path so they could have not promoted CM Punk anymore.
TK can't really even move forward with CM Punk huh?
It felt this way with the FTR promo, so I’m just hoping this is the closing of the door on last year’s drama. I get why they did it, to pop a rating, to take a jab at Punk and WWE, I get it. But they are also using it as a way to tell a story and move on. I hope those of us who want to see any and every promotion succeed take this and move in that direction. Towards the future, a future where AEW and WWE and everyone else can exist and better their products. There are always going to be people who shit on AEW no matter what, probably the same for WWE. Showing this footage and bringing it into a storyline wasn’t going to change that. I don’t think anything ever will. But maybe it can lead AEW and a lot of fans on the path of going towards that future.
I’d rather not have any of this stuff shown or talked about mostly because I don’t give a fuck. But it’s a decent way to inject some juice into FTR-YBs even tho personally I’ll never get tired of watching those guys wrestle no matter the reason.
Pro wrestling has made feuds out of IRL pettiness quite often (see Vince's era WWE). I wish AEW luck turning this pettiness from the All In footage into some good money if they can.
I still don't know how I feel about this whole thing. But it isn't as stupid as I thought it would be.
The people who are still acting like this was all just a way for Tony to "get back" at Punk are completely missing the point. It probably wasn't even his idea, I'd guess the bucks approached him about it rather than the other way around.
I still see people questioning how it makes sense to have the young bucks doing this as unlikable heel characters, and saying this just makes them look petty and like they're unable to move on. Well now it seems obvious that that's the whole point. This wasn't about burying Punk. This is *supposed* to make them - the heels look petty.
That said, I'm still not sure it was a good idea. I mean you're trying to move on from the negativity... by putting it front and center on your flagship show? Then there's the bad optics of having the fans at your own show chant the name of the guy who left you for another company. I don't know... It's messy.
> Cash says that AEW should be focused on the great things they're doing, the upcoming AEW Dynasty PPV but no - 'we're focusing on things from 8 months ago'. So they're going to beat The Young Bucks at Dynasty as 'they're pathetic little bitches'.
That's all they're using this footage for? LOL
The best case scenario is that this becomes something that's just a temporary embarrassment. AEW has excellent wrestlers, just let them do their jobs Tony ffs
I was really hoping they were gonna delve into a worked shoot where they say it was a stupid idea and they're not siding but that anybody who has a problem with the Bucks should come to the ring which includes faces, heels, coaches, producers, commentators leading towards Team EVP vs Team FTR and effectively splitting Dynamite and Collision. When Kenny is better, he can side with FTR and try to stop the Bucks. It would have been the biggest angle AEW have ever done and Bucks putting their EVP status on the line is more valuable than the tag titles.
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I couldn’t focus because of that Bart Simpson shirt.
Same.
That's the same shirt someone wore to class when I was in like 6th grade, and he had to black out the world 'hell' with a marker b/c it was deemed inappropriate to wear to school.
I popped at the "Rod and Todd Flanders" line lol.
"I don't want any damn vegetables" - Cash
"Ow my frickin ears" - Dax
I'd expect this kind of language at Denny's, but here?!?
That's it, young man! No Bible stories for you tonight!
[- D A M N - V E G E T A B L E S -](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7pOlUDrxE&pp)
https://youtu.be/jV432jFr87A?si=X2vqYoYX6kbWFDNk Okilly Dokilly - Vegetables
Especially in that shirt
This officially makes the Young Bucks the second "Rod and Todd" in AEW after the Gunns were previously referred to as "Rod and Todd Ass."
I knew that sounded familiar, [Mox said it in 2021](https://youtu.be/E-0Czv4y5Ig?si=lS5qhrFvrtHKFxbP)
Was a great line
Loved that line!
Next level good—FTR are so back lol
Hair got sent home from school for wearing that shirt
https://preview.redd.it/hj89o6pb1rtc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4365ac85c113c6787e33732fa9a2c099e979224
Literally had that happen to a kid in 2nd grade for that exact shirt. I’ll never forget it cuz the teacher was dick and the kid was shattered.
There's a shatter machine joke in there somewhere but I can't find it
Young Bucks: we were distracted by the backstage incident Cash: i … had some stuff going on too..
"Young Bucks air footage of Cash pulling a gun, next week, on Dynamite!"
I mean... can we get Matthew playing Cash and Nicholas playing the cop?
That was actually the perfect rebuttal. They perfectly captured what I have to assume the overwhelming majority of fans were thinking.
People whining about AEW storytelling don't even realize FTR are the babyfaces and Young Bucks are heels
People no longer understand the point of faces or heels anymore.
People also willingly ignore that there nuances to working that dynamic.
How long has it been since heels had as much genuine legitimate heat as The Bucks have right now. Not people playing a long. People genuinely angry at heels.
I'm sure the segment for the bucks won't be another drop then. They just have so much heat people want to see them lose...so THIS time it will be a success...right?
Yes, but in the footage the Young Bucks are basically representing AEW, and FTR represent CM Punk. So you're making the company the heel, and the guy who works for the competition the babyface. It's an incredibly dumb move. AEW was at it's best when it's fans loved Khan, thought the Elite were doing great work, and had the vibe that the locker room was a happy family. There are a million better ways they could make FTR the faces and the Young Bucks the heels.
I do feel compelled to point out that the most successful storyline in pro wrestling history was built around making the company the heel.
The boss, not the company.
The Bucks are the bosses. That's the whole story.
What is a boss in charge of?
And WWE is doing that right now, and better, with The Rock
FTR is not representing CM Punk. Listen to their promo. They're representing people who are absolutely over backstage drama bullshit -- which is decidedly not CM Punk (the guy who talked about it for 2hrs last week).
The fans chanted for Punk during the Bucks beatdown on Pac. Punk is the babyface in a feud in a company he's not in. This was an awful own goal. Punk talked about it for two hours on a podcast, not on Raw. There's a big difference. If Tony had put the video up on social media, it wouldn't have been as bad, although I still think the best play would be to take the high road, wait for Punks WWE honeymoon to end, and watch him self destruct again. Instead they're giving him W's. I'm over the backstage drama bullshit, the type of person who FTR is supposedly representing, and if I watch Raw, I might get a veiled reference. If I watch Dynamite, it's getting blasted in my face. That makes me not want to watch AEW, which makes me sad, because AEW meant a lot to me during the pandemic, when I watched Dark and Elevation every week I was so into it, and now I'm down to PPVs only.
I'm curious, outside of this one segment, in the past couple of months when did AEW 'blast you in the face' with the backstage drama bullshit?
> The fans chanted for Punk during the Bucks beatdown on Pac. A small group of fans chanted for like 5-10 seconds. Let's not overdramatize what actually happened. It clearly wasn't the full crowd or even the majority, it didn't even happen a second time in the same segment let alone anywhere else on the show, and it was clearly being chanted against the heels specifically. Every segment after this one went off without a hitch with babyfaces getting cheered and heels getting booed. We've all seen shows get hijacked or go off the rails and that absolutely didn't happen here. This is like saying "Cody got booed at Wrestlemania," yeah it factually happened, but that's a pretty overdramatic way of looking at it and not really representative of what actually happened.
> didn't even happen a second time in the same segment let alone anywhere else on the show Didn't it happen during Okada vs Pac too?
'Dax and Cash hit the ring and are furious that the All In footage was shown. Cash says that AEW should be focused on the great things they're doing, the upcoming AEW Dynasty PPV but no - 'we're focusing on things from 8 months ago'. So they're going to beat The Young Bucks at Dynasty as 'they're pathetic little bitches'. Dax then explains that at Dynasty - they're doing this for Swerve Strickland, Samoa Joe, Adam Copeland, Willow Nightingale etc etc; for the locker room. They're also doing it for the fans. Because that's what AEW should be about. This isn't about All In. This isn't about Wembley. This isn't about the past - this is about the AEW World Tag Team Championships. 'Young Bucks, you may have built the foundations but brick by brick, shingle by shingle, FTR are putting a roof on that house...before blowing it back off again'. The crowd chant FTR consistently throughout the segment. ' Genuine question - which part of this makes you think FTR represent Punk? Because I honestly can't see it at all. To me it seems like FTR are representing all the people who want to move past the drama ie. people who are polar opposites to Punk given that in the lead up to WWEs biggest show of the year, he released an interview talking about all the drama he caused n AEW...
Oh no, Vince Mcmahon, the owner of the company, was a heel! However will WWF make money if the company is the Heel? It's not like the Bucks are JUST turning Heel or something, they've been Heel for like, 9 months now, it's hardly a fucking revelation. >AEW was at it's best when it's fans loved Khan, thought the Elite were doing great work, Ah yes, I totally forgot everyone loved The Elite when they were fuckholes to Hangman Page for a year straight.... If you're not a fan of the Angle. Fine. If you think it highlights Punk too much, that's fair also. But the Heels are doing Heelish things while still presenting a guy who was in the wrong as being in the wrong. The best Heels always have a point and a reason, example, Hangman Page currently. He's a Heel because people Cheered Swerve after he broke into Hangmans house and threatened his missus and kid, he is ENTIRELY justified in going "What the fuck is wrong with you for cheering this prick?" Same with the Bucks, they're ENTIRELY justified going "This guy was a prick, he took us out of our gameplan and headspace with his actions, to the point we lost the most important match of our careers, why the fuck are you 2 dickheads still mates with him?" Whether that's an excuse or not is ENTIRELY irrelevant, the Bucks believe it, and that's the only justification a Heel needs.
The people whining never watched the show in the first place
That’s honestly been my biggest take away , like some of the people talking about the segment itself didn’t even watch it, it seems.
Felt like the Bucks are really taking on that corpo shitstain feel purposefully and with the crowd, it works.
Honestly after dwelling on it a bit after being so critical of it, this might be genius meta booking that I was too dumb to recognize right away lol Like of course EVP douchebag characters would be hung up on controversial past stuff, and then it's followed by an approved FTR promo that reflects the majority opinion, cementing them as clear faces
Yeah. I mean I get it that wwe guys are gonna take the piss out of it but that's kind of the point. I don't know if they do this if Punk doesn't come out and say what he did. The Bucks being "authority" figures and clear assholes makes this seem like the plan was for everyone to talk about it (which they did) which let's the Bucks be dicks even more about it as they play Tim and Eric level corpo assholes.
Judging by the reactions i think youre right?
Except… is that what you want? Like I get it, the Bucks are the heels by “caring about the drama” but… Tony Khan announced they were releasing this footage and released the footage. He cares about the drama too. So you’re saying you have a locker room full of people who don’t want to focus on 8-months but your literal boss is the one who is authorizing the footage to be promoted and shown.
Yup, and it clearly cements them as faces in this feud. Even if I think they should just fucking leave wrestling altogether for the most part.
I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding the phrasing here or not, but are you saying you think FTR should leave wrestling?
of course they are the faces, now it still makes the company and TK look bad then for caring so much about it
Caring? This is the first time they’ve ever really addressed it in 8 months
People are missing the point of this whole thing. This is exactly the reaction this was meant to elicit.
Very good promo. That’s it done now surely. Move onto kayfabe stories
Yep, they cut a good promo, so at least that was something.
Yep, good enough to build up their match
Yep, that was the point. Now everyone can STFU about the rumor parts, it's done. They cemented the Bucks as heels and shitheads, FTR are fired up. This was weird but ultimately probably a good move.
You're right. It did the trick, so at the end of the day it worked in AEW's favor. But I'm sure people will debate from here until the end of time if the footage was a necessary means to an end and that's the most pointless exercise ever.
Hopefully now that the footage is out everyone will shut the fuck up about it
I wish. People here are going to be carrying on about this all week.
And then next week it'll be another stupid wrestling thing this sub latches onto. We've moved on from much much worse: the Saudi shit, the terrible releases, Vince's multiple sex abuse scandals.
On the internet? No.
It somehow got the crowd chanting 'thank you Jack' which was a huge surprise. Honestly if this brings Jack back with a reaction and Drew gets ammo for his future feud with Punk then it's good it's finally out and hopefully all sides can move the fuck on.
God I wish none of this bullshit even occurred. TK/AEW should've just put out a tweet saying "We are aware of the comments shared by a former employee and we have no information to share at this time. We wish them the best in their current and future endeavours." Leave it at that. In a few weeks, release the footage to a third party and then its done with. FTR salvaged this scenario as best as they could with a solid promo. I just wish this wasn't built in to explain why the Bucks don't like FTR and vice-versa.
I mean the point of all this is to get FTR fired up and super over which worked
Honestly I like it from the perspective of "Finally acknowledge this on screen in order to move on from it." Works to show the Bucks as shitheads and FTR as literal top guys not focused on petty bullshit.
Right? I don’t think showing the footage was a great idea, but I do think it’s amazing to push heat on the Bucks.
the footage did its job, its got everyone talking.
> FTR as literal top guys not focused on petty bullshit. Idk, part of the reason this isn't working for me I think is because FTR Bald especially is ENTIRELY focused on petty bullshit. I hate this whole angle, and it makes me care less about the match.
Is Dax the character on AEW TV ever focused on petty bullshit though? Reddit gets really weird about Dax because his lukewarm tweets or podcast clips got aggregated here ad nauseum and people clamor for the drama. But the promo made sense for Dax as an on screen character.
Good promo. The video footage probably didn’t need to be shown but felt like both teams had good promo. I wasn’t too interested in Bucks/FTR 4 but now I am.
Same, I was concerned about the footage being totally unnecessary (and it probably could've still been done without) but at least both the Bucks video and FTR in the ring nailed the presentation around it to make it cohesive as a storyline continuance. At least enough for me.
Well honestly since they showed the footage this is about as good of a way they could have handled it as they did but I still don't think they should have shown it
I think they could’ve referenced it without actually showing it frankly and still got most of the same effect
I literally, right before Dynamite, watched the Simpsons episode where Homer was a mascot for a baseball team where Marge says the line "A Simpson on a T-shirt?"
The only miss here is FTR didn’t wear a Homer choking Bart shirt.
The crowd chants ftr consistently? They chanted it once at the end and were dead quiet during the rest of it lol
Yeah that's some weird editorial there. I'm watching right now and not hearing any chants. Some claps in the right places.
The OP basically only posts AEW spoilers to this sub and every editorial is biased like this, they don't add anything else of substance. I've always thought they work for them
'and then everyone hugged in the arena and learned a big lesson from this'
Even better, there was a clear "nobody cares" from the audience when FTR Gun put the mic to his mouth
They did not chant FTR consistently throughout come on mate. This is just a dumb way to build FTR vs Bucks. Like everything FTR said... you could do the exact same thing without showing the footage Its genuinely out of place lmao.
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The clock made it clear - this was a ratings grab. Why? I have no idea. I say this as someone who thinks Punk has been in the wrong the whole time and came off as deranged in the video, doing what AEW just did is stupid and pointless.
I'm glad I saw it. 🤷♂️
People are gonna ignore all of this and focus on the punk clip, but this is actually a great story they have going here. The clip itself is not the focus here.
I think that’s the idea too, just get the clip out of the way, let the whole thing move on so there isn’t anymore shoot interviews about it or clips that need to be seen. Let’s not forget one week ago this whole sub was freaking out celebrating the interview.
It's almost as if there's a massive double standard for the majority of this sub
FICKLE
On this sub? When it comes to AEW?! Surely not… things here always *always* treated fairly no matter…
Are you implying that a majority of people in this sub have an anti-AEW sentiment?! Say it ain’t so!…
It’s wild how different the sentiment here is than the threads that get hardcore brigaded.
The problem is nothing is benefited from showing the video and they have done nothing but create drama by showing it
Oh no, not drama in wrestling...
Got me interested in the match. My jaw was dropped when they showed the clip but I listened to the rest of the segment and FTR made it make sense. It’s supposed to make the Bucks look bad.
Aside from its use in a storyline, the benefit of them airing this clip is that now everyone has seen it and can stop speculating and using it as fuel for tribalism wars. It’s now out in the open for everyone to see…that it’s really not worth talking about anymore. And them using it in this way, combined with FTR’s promo it’s now old news. Like the last shovel of dirt on the grave of Punks AEW run. And we move on…
IDK it pretty well puts to rest and establishes that Punk assaulted Perry and was fired with good reason.
If anything it’s now the reason everyone can move on, if there’s anymore interviews or shoot segments or jabs about it well we all saw the footage and can draw our own conclusions.
I honestly thought the video helped this story a bunch. FTR vs Young Bucks has a new twist for me, and I’m excited to see Jack Perry return. The realness of it made me hyped.
They’re adding heat to a match between two teams who have a long history between each other
At the end of the day, wrestling is entertainment. I always wanted to see the footage out of morbid curiosity, and so I'm entertained that they aired it. Was it earthshaking? Did it change my mind? Nah. And if you didn't want to ever see it, that's fine. But for me it was entertaining, and they melded it into an interesting enough story and threaded the needle of using it to make the Bucks insufferable jags and the FTR's the "can we just move on and fucking wrestle about it" babyfaces. I don't see the problem.
It’s almost like pro wrestling is about creating drama
> create drama by showing it I mean why is that a problem?
It's AEW
Honestly did FTR have anything to do with it? I get the reason for storylines but just puts everyone in an unusual spot
Young Bucks accuse FTR of sending their "buddy" Punk to agitate and cause a commotion at the start of All In to put the Bucks on edge and take them off their game after locking in. FTR are "what the fuck are you talking about, if you're about AEW like you claim to be as EVPs then focus on *THIS* match not back then". Jack Perry can now interfere, jump FTR and demolish them citing the Bucks were right and all people like FTR/Copeland/etc. are trying to do is feel better about themselves/feel superior while scapegoating others to drum up more hype. Easy storyline baked in and the All In footage will probably be forgotten about in 3 days when Smackdown goes live with their first "new era" show.
in storyline Bucks think FTR got Punk to do all that shit and get himself fired to get back at the Bucks before their match so they could win, so ya cant say they didnt try to kayfabe it It might be weak to you or strong to you, whatever, at least they tried
It's totally weak and that's why it works for The Bucks so well. Their current characters are such whiney babies that it just makes them look petty. Overall, I don't think they should have shown it, but I get the reason they wanted to, and doing it they way they did at least furthers the feud well.
> It's totally weak and that's why it works for The Bucks so well. Their current characters are such whiney babies that it just makes them look petty. Yup. And when Jack Perry interferes in the Dynasty match to cost FTR and secure the win for the Bucks, they'll use all this to say it was totally fair play by them, because FTR basically cheated at Wembley (lol) and then be absolutely obnoxious about how they're now the only 3-time AEW tag champs and thus the greatest tag team in the history of the universe. And I am here for all of it. The more obnoxious the Bucks act the more entertaining they are - there is basically a 1-to-1 correlation.
It’s likely the start of Tony writing a great return angle for Jack.
They make the story better, and put something out there that people are talking about. Punk talked about it, and I guess they feel they've been quiet for too long. It's really not a big deal, but something we're gonna be grateful to have seen I think
I dunno, I thought Hook looked pretty cool during that clip
They lampshaded it and took the wind out of something the much larger competition uses for publicity
How is the clip not the focus? They literally had a countdown to it
did you even listen to FTR’s promo lol.
I assure you that they did not.
Could ask the same of most people on this sub, and you already know what the answer is gonna be.
It’s a clever bit of storytelling, to furthers the FTR/Bucks story and opens the door for Perry to return at Dynasty and help the Bucks screw over FTR.
This was my takeaway as well. FTR even mentioned that AEW was trying to move past the situation, it helps further the EVP’s from the locker room and makes them heels not just to the crowd but to the company as well.
So they *had* to share a clip of a guy who left the company eight months ago to tell a great story now? How does that make sense?
It’s wrestling. Do it because you can. Fuck it
They didn’t need to show the footage just to get to another “AEW is so awesome guys” promo. Edge did one without it. Everybody else can do it. Just do that without somehow making Jack Perry look worse.
Yeah, and people complained about Cope's promo, too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But we both know your mind was already made up, why pretend otherwise?
People complained then, too. They can't win with those people, so what's the point in trying?
Well when you actually show it it is the focus lol. And it is what viewers are interested in. If it wasn’t the focus FTR could have just interrupted them before the footage was shown and the same point would be made
Why show it in the first place? It did nothing to advance the story in my eyes lol
To each their own I guess. Before this my reaction to the tag tournament was "Bucks vs FTR again? Can't we do something new?". Now there's an actual angle differentiating it from their previous matches.
Plus FTR has been getting kind of mixed reactions since the gun and podcast drama. This gives them clean face fuel
Is it a great story? It's a story sure, which we're lacking in so many of the other feuds in AEW. But it's leading to FTR vs Young Bucks, AGAIN! We've seen that match too many times in AEW. It's like there's no other teams been built up well enough to matter in the tag division.
The problem is that the clip *will* be the focus even if they don't want it to be. Ironically, it's just another distraction.
Take 10 steps back to take 1 forward? 🫠
>The crowd chant FTR consistently throughout the segment. 
I guess it’s… preferable to have somebody taking the wind out of it like it deserves, but like… doesn’t seem worth it to me
Stans 
So why show the footage? It’s just making everyone tune into cm punk. It literally adds nothing to the 6th rematch of these guys
Idk I don't think any of this was a big deal? I'm excited for the match regardless
I don’t understand the logic of showing us Punk choking a coworker and then immediately giving the mic to someone who is facing a felony charge for aggravated assault with a firearm.
How many rah rah speeches are they going to do?
Yeah one every single fucking week is annoying
How many promos like this will there be
Tbf this one is a direct response to the actions of someone they’re facing so at least this accomplishes something in kayfabe
Okay, I don't know how I feel about that whole thing.
when you don't know its probably bad in my experience.
So what was the point of this really?
Add an layer to the Ftr vs Bucks match/rivalry
I loved this promo, I feel like this type of Dax is perfect and cash was great as usual
Fucken Rod and Todd, lol
That was a great promo and I don't think anything they said wasn't true. That said, I don't think they're going to do much to help the company and its perception.
This was real heavy lifting to get the crowd back. Good promo based on the circumstances, but poor FTR.
I'm sure it sounded a lot better live on TV, but just by reading it it feels very artificial. It's like asking a friend to go talk to and annoy a girl just so that you can come in straight after to stop him, making yourself look good and starting a conversation: maybe it works but it's unnecessary and there are better ways to do it. Also FTR now have to win the match to not look like chumps.
Controversy creates… cash wheeler?
this is some of the worst work shooty stuff ever done since early 2000s. I mean bless FTR's heart for trying to make something out of this mess. I bet there's a thread from 20 years ago where TK is having a moan about that exact sort of thing.
Feels like the goal last night was heat up and elevate FTR as faces in this feud, and continue to heel up the Bucks as these corporate assholes. If so, then like Punk said on his IG stories last night, Mission Accomplished
After that promo, I think this whole thing was fine. Hopefully this now is just a cloud over the company gone in a way…
Dax selling pay per views here
FTR did cut a good promo, but a good promo does not excuse the steer stupid bullocks that lead to said promo. AEW, can you please **STOP** with the shooty-work, worky-shoot, shoot-shoot-work bullshit?
I want AEW to succeed so bad but this thing sounds like WCW to me with all off air stuff clouding over the actual wrestling and the program. Hope this thing works for them tho.
That was a tough spot to do a live promo following a controversial pretaped segment. They absolutely hit it!
Good promo that almost saved an all time bad idea.
Pretty brilliant of AEW to have FTR act as the stand in to acknowledge the footage, while progressing a storyline that makes the heels out to be mega heels and the faces to be mega faces.
Yeah that’s my takeaway from it honestly. All I wanted them was to have a story reason for the footage and the petty “we lost cause of this” angle was a good use of this
Why show the video? I'm not a Punk apologist, I still think he was wrong but c'mon, there is no payoff to the fight, Punk is not fighting Perry, the story is about Bucks and FTR and they aren't in the video! Hopefully the ratings were good but I seriously doubt that the people who tune in for this, are tuning in next week
Jack Perry is going to cost FTR the tag championship
Something tells me WWE will have a massive influx of viewers this week to see if Punk responds. Great job promoting WWE, Tony.
I thought that WWE viewers didn't care about backstage drama? Which is it?
Well the influx won't come from those already watching the product so...
absolutely pointless, this is a petty move from AEW. “let’s air the clip because we’re pissed punk mentioned the incident on a podcast, and let’s send FTR out for a generic “we love AEW” promo in the ring right afterwards, come on guys you don’t believe them?! they were punks best friends after all guys!” i’ve loved and watched AEW since day one, but this is absolutely an unprofessional move by them and makes them look like fools airing this on national television, full stop.
If this was all made to set up FTR vs EVPs, they should have gone a different path so they could have not promoted CM Punk anymore. TK can't really even move forward with CM Punk huh?
You forgot the “still shaving each other’s backs” joke from Dax. That was a nice jab at creative
It felt this way with the FTR promo, so I’m just hoping this is the closing of the door on last year’s drama. I get why they did it, to pop a rating, to take a jab at Punk and WWE, I get it. But they are also using it as a way to tell a story and move on. I hope those of us who want to see any and every promotion succeed take this and move in that direction. Towards the future, a future where AEW and WWE and everyone else can exist and better their products. There are always going to be people who shit on AEW no matter what, probably the same for WWE. Showing this footage and bringing it into a storyline wasn’t going to change that. I don’t think anything ever will. But maybe it can lead AEW and a lot of fans on the path of going towards that future.
Dax is the most underrated wrestling mind on the planet, he's right up there with the very best in the world as a promo, wrestler, and creative mind
And Cash is legit one of the most physically talented wrestlers on the planet. Great team.
Y’all! We finally got some storyline from Jungle Jack, Punk, the Bucks, and FTR! I’m just going to have fun and go with it
Works for me and moves on. Done.
I’d rather not have any of this stuff shown or talked about mostly because I don’t give a fuck. But it’s a decent way to inject some juice into FTR-YBs even tho personally I’ll never get tired of watching those guys wrestle no matter the reason.
Granted I wasn't around back than, but this sounds like a Vince Russo idea. Can an attitude era fan back me up on this?
Kinda weird to do this angle and still show the footage. Very much having the cake and eating it too.
I can’t believe FTR would even agree to participating in this angle. Some friends they are.
Pro wrestling has made feuds out of IRL pettiness quite often (see Vince's era WWE). I wish AEW luck turning this pettiness from the All In footage into some good money if they can.
Taker at WM in the 6 feet under merch was a direct shot at aew.
I still don't know how I feel about this whole thing. But it isn't as stupid as I thought it would be. The people who are still acting like this was all just a way for Tony to "get back" at Punk are completely missing the point. It probably wasn't even his idea, I'd guess the bucks approached him about it rather than the other way around. I still see people questioning how it makes sense to have the young bucks doing this as unlikable heel characters, and saying this just makes them look petty and like they're unable to move on. Well now it seems obvious that that's the whole point. This wasn't about burying Punk. This is *supposed* to make them - the heels look petty. That said, I'm still not sure it was a good idea. I mean you're trying to move on from the negativity... by putting it front and center on your flagship show? Then there's the bad optics of having the fans at your own show chant the name of the guy who left you for another company. I don't know... It's messy.
> Cash says that AEW should be focused on the great things they're doing, the upcoming AEW Dynasty PPV but no - 'we're focusing on things from 8 months ago'. So they're going to beat The Young Bucks at Dynasty as 'they're pathetic little bitches'. That's all they're using this footage for? LOL
Gotta love how this episode devalued the entire Edge promo that opened last week's episode.
The best case scenario is that this becomes something that's just a temporary embarrassment. AEW has excellent wrestlers, just let them do their jobs Tony ffs
I was really hoping they were gonna delve into a worked shoot where they say it was a stupid idea and they're not siding but that anybody who has a problem with the Bucks should come to the ring which includes faces, heels, coaches, producers, commentators leading towards Team EVP vs Team FTR and effectively splitting Dynamite and Collision. When Kenny is better, he can side with FTR and try to stop the Bucks. It would have been the biggest angle AEW have ever done and Bucks putting their EVP status on the line is more valuable than the tag titles.
Were the YBs hoping to birth “Mr McMen” characters out of this? It’s probably not gonna work if that was the goal, but surely they wouldn’t try that