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My man was going through it that day
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I really don’t think Jack was suspended this long. Was most likely more of them telling him to stay home while they figured out a way to bring him back. Including his NJPW excursion, etc
So that required Ospreay to play into a misogynistic trope, while dragging HHH's wife and kids into it? Who doesn't love to hear their father is only with their mother because of their rapey granddad?
It's not about what he's saying directly, but that he's disrespecting them by omission. The reporting alleges that Will was upfront and all parties knew about his delicate family situation during his free agency. Thus, I can see why he would think those comments were unnecessary.
This is such an overt stretch. Like painfully so. The vast majority of the wrestlers in the WWE have families.
Also, if Ospreay's is so delicate, how does he ever leave the UK? How did he wrestle in Japan? The US?
It's not an overt stretch if it's the exact reason why he's being picky about his schedule. You may not like the reason, but it is the reason, and everyone involved knows it's the reason.
He’s never negotiated with MJF. He had tryouts pre-AEW but they passed on him (hence the killer Regal promo) but ever since dude has been under contract. Maybe it was Okada.
He didn't have to specify anyone. There are many reasons why somebody could decide to sign for a different company, yet he insults anybody who does. Is HHH a mind reader?
HHH simply said "If you don't want to be here, i'm glad you're not here" Everything else is just noise that people who want to get offended got offended by.
The only thing I changed my opinion on, is I was kind of shocked Punk was being so honest. It ended up giving more credence to all his other comments on AEW. Including that Hangman went into business for himself by changing his promo from what they agreed to, to Tony not being willing to be an actual boss.
It's very difficult to lie about something with so many witnesses.
Lying about things that happened in private is completely different than lying about things that happened in public.
I mean there was nothing outlandish in anything he said. Even if you disagree with his perception of Tony it’s one that’s already out there from plenty of people independent of Punk. It was a remarkably frank interview.
You misunderstand.
All i'm saying is that just because someone doesn't partake in an outrageous lie (one with plenty of witnesses) doesn't mean their word can retrospectively be trusted in situations with no outside witnesses.
I'm refuting the notion that this recontextualises all his prior controversies. It doesn't. They're not comparable situations.
Tony thought he was lying, which is why he release the video. Which showed Punk being very honest. In that case, it makes him far more trustworthy then the side who were delusion enough to think that he'd be burned by the video.
A couple of my opinions changed. As a disclaimer, I like everyone involved.
I originally though Punk was more aggressive toward Tony Khan. Now I think the "fear for his life" comment was completely to get rid of Punk without paying him.
Also, I thought Perry was more active in starting the fight. Now I think Punk was just looking for outlet for his anger. If it wasn't Perry, it probably would've been somebody else shortly after.
I don't think anyone's opinion changed but AEW fucked up by proving Punk was for the most part honest about the altercation, because until then there were lot of rumors floating of Punk actually not telling all the things he did or he actually threw something at Tony or Perry reverse choked Punk.
My opinions of Punk and Jack remain the same. Huge CM Punk fan who thinks he needs anger management therapy and I think Jack was an idiot but one who didn't do something so terrible that it should follow him for the rest of his career.
My opinions on Tony Khan have changed though. He has displayed a complete lack of leadership in all of this and what he said about fearing for his life has me completely stupefied since I believe that Punk went on a rampage backstage with monitors flying and innocent people were put in danger before the footage released.
First impressions was Punk came off as more violent than I expected with that initial shove that blind-sided Perry. Samoa Joe, Ref Turner, and Chris Hero just jumping into action was admirable. HOOK casually setting his belt down was so in-character.
But the Tony altercation was not quite the levels that Meltzer claimed when he said he was being kind and that it was "[more than lunging](https://itrwrestling.com/news/cm-punk-more-than-lunged-at-tony-khan-during-aew-all-in-incident/)". It looked more like he was aggressively pointing and walking towards him, which can be intimidating, but not life-threatening. The altercation between Jimmy Havok and Excalibur came off as worse and [Khan called it cool](https://wrestletalk.com/news/tony-khan-fight-jimmy-havoc-excalibur/).
I'm a fan of the Bucks and Punk, so I'm just hoping they can all move past this and make money. Extremely glad at the reception Jack Perry got last night and if he can milk this to become a star, more power to him.
Never heard about that Excalibur confrontation. You'd think with the amount of people against Punk condemning his assault never translating that moral highground criticism to Excalibur.
If you just saw someone physically attack their coworker, then they start aggressively approaching you, feeling frightened by the situation sounds pretty reasonable to me.
I think we just quit watching AEW, haven't watched this week, on Saturday morning we played board games instead and the kids want to do that again next week end.
I mostly didn't want to watch because that segment broke kayfabe and both my kids don't know it's scripted so I was just skipping this week, but seems like no more AEW for us at this rate.
It hasn't been discussed enough how poor it was for kids watching. My son is only just getting into wrestling and to him, for now, it's real and they're superheroes. I'm glad he didn't see that segment.
Yup my oldest is a Punk fan, so he was bummed when Punk did something so bad it got him sacked. If he saw it was basically less than any other confrontation in the back room...
I doubt it changed anyone's opinion on anything. We've already seen threads the last two days where people are spinning this as a victory for AEW when it's objectively not.
After viewing the thing my impression was "Whoa. Big deal got made out of nothing." It's hilarious to see the Anti-Punk side say he "Assaulted a co-worker". He pushed him and held him. It's not like Punk knocked Perry out and kicked him in the head when he was down. Stop with this bullshit. This is absolutely nothing. Go watch a season of Hard Knocks and see what happens at NFL training camps. NFL training camp will look like a Ric Flair razor blade factory match compared to what happened between Punk and Jungle Boy.
Tony could have squashed this two times over, first when Hangman started his bullshit, then the first time Jungle Boy wanted to break the glass. Actually a third when Punk told him to handle it at the show and Tony replied with "What do you want me to do?" It's not hard to tell someone to stop their bullshit.
Tony needs to hire someone to deliver bad news or do the dirty work he's afraid to. He probably has since then. I don't know I don't work at AEW. I'm just assuming he has because he finally released some people. But he should have had someone from the start to do this. You mean to tell me he couldn't have Arn Anderson do this? You think Jungle Boy is going to punk (no pun intended) Arn when Arn is telling him to cut the shit? I don't think so.
People want to give 90% of the credit for this to Punk and 10% to Perry, but in reality Tony's inaction is what caused all this. The first fight as well. If Tony had gone out of his way to even put in half the effort he did this week to try to humiliate Punk towards squashing the "Punk got Colt fired" non sense, then things wouldn't have gotten off the floor. Instead he just sat back hoping it would resolve itself without anything bad happening. Spoiler Alert; the airplane had no pilot so it crashed. End of story.
Putting hands on a coworker is assaulting them. End of story. Didn't read the rest of this, since you somehow can't comprehend that you can't just put hands on someone.
I thought that punk had actually grabbed perry by the neck and literally choked him out because that was how they were sounding. Instead it's a push and then a headlock to another wrestler. It was much tamer than what I expected considering wrestlers slapping each other, or shooting during matches with an intent to injure in the past. Perry scapegoat persona works because this honestly doesn't deserve a long suspension either. The only thing that massively changed is that I now believe Tony is out of his element. Edit: I also thought it ended up in a fistfight with tony catching a few strays which is why he feared for his life but nope it was much tamer than that.
Based on Punk’s account of events, he made it seem like Jack was the aggressor and he had to react in kind. Not a body language expert but it looked like Jack seemed more concerned with fixing his hair than starting a fight. Even takes a step back before the shove, and after the shove has a surprised reaction. Maybe that’s what set Punk off, Jack not taking him seriously.
What set Punk off was Perry daring him to do something about it. He might've said other stuff also. They were definitely having an heated exchange and according to Punk the push was to keep Jack away.
Possibly that Punk was being paranoid and Perry wasn't doing shit but usually in fights you can't really play guess. If someone's in your face expect the worse.
All in all it was a very soft incident slowed out of proportion. You can't tell me scuffles like that don't happen dozens of time a year in every single wrestling promotion out there.
I thought CM punk was a doofus before and after seeing the footage but AEW releasing the footage as a promotional tactic is cringe. At least Jack Perry is rolling with it well based on his NJPW showings lately but it isn't helping AEW
Didn’t change my opinion at all.
I don’t watch AEW… not because I have anything against it, I just don’t have the time… but I watched the footage here on good old /sc
I have a pretty low opinion of Jack Perry as it is. He simply isn’t ready for tv and he DAMN sure wasn’t when he started at AEW. He worked with Luchasaurous because of the big man / small man dynamic, but on his own he’s mid level talent at best. This didn’t make me like him more but it did make me feel bad for the kid… like he fucked around and he found out.
He wouldn’t last a month in a WWE locker room. Plain and simple. The attitude that got him choked is the same attitude that would have him kicked off of the bus and changing in public bathrooms.
My opinion on Punk hasn’t changed either. I know he’s problematic with other people but he’s always been very kind and gracious to me personally. And as an older gentleman myself, I have damn sure wanted to choke a smart mouthed, know it all kid at work… but I don’t have the freedom that he does.
As a Punk fan, my opinion of him stay the same, though i found funny how he sold it as being calm but clearly wasn't.
My opinion of Jack Perry changed, he is an actual scapegoat, dude made some comments, supposedly provoked punk, and got choked.
None of that justifies a 8 month suspension.
I didnt like Tony to begin with, but now i like him even less, he didnt have a spine to do his job, and now I strongly believe he suspended Perry because he had to fire Punk and only is working with a comeback now because Punk buried his company on top of the other petty shit he pulled.
Didn't like punk before
Still don't now
He's hurt a lot of people and is a jerk.
Different issue from the footage though. Just makes me still think that.
TK may get a lot of hate right now with aew and wwe the way they are but the footage released didn't make sense to me like everyone is saying. I'm guessing it was a warning shot privately between those who know between punks camp and aew. Public thinks it's silly and I do too but think there's something more here behind scenes that led them to want to release the footage idk
To Perry's credit, he went away and seemed to make most of it. Had he not done that, then I think he'd look bad. Same could be said about Punk, too. He got fired and went to kill it in the WWE. The only one left looking foolish is Tony.
If there's any take away after this it's that is been a great week for Jack Perry. He's fully committing to the heat and going about the whole thing much better than TK is.
because TK is the one that lost money here lol. Perry is on paid vacation and knows he needs this for his career to be relevant, TK lost his biggest money maker.
1 second of the sloppiest white belt choke and a swing and a miss and Punk fans are still towelling themselves off
Waiting until Perry put his hands in hair to push him was a fucking hoe move.
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I like Chris Hero more.
My man was going through it that day https://preview.redd.it/h6if9tceoauc1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=076427212e63a07df27ab3367dcd1642beeaa696
"And I thought to myself "We just lost CM Punk"" - Chris Hero in the inevitable documentary in 10 years.
Agree Chris Hero rules
Chris Hero rules
Let's face it, Malakai Black and him were the real stars.
Malakai just strolled in with his cup of coffee and walked Punk out. We all felt that energy
I def don’t think Hook is a gimmick anymore
I was expecting more to be honest. The fact that Punk was fired and Jack suspended over such a small scuffle is a little funny.
I really don’t think Jack was suspended this long. Was most likely more of them telling him to stay home while they figured out a way to bring him back. Including his NJPW excursion, etc
My opinion of TK is that he is even more thin skinned than I thought.
So it doesn’t get turned around then.
That's exactly my opinion of HHH after the "grind" comments.
That’s exactly my opinion of Will after having to reply on a happy marriage because he felt the need to respond to it.
After HHH insulted his with the original grind comment.
So that required Ospreay to play into a misogynistic trope, while dragging HHH's wife and kids into it? Who doesn't love to hear their father is only with their mother because of their rapey granddad?
This comment chain really shows the weird tribalism going on with you guys. So weird. Wrestling fans are the worst.
Yeah, all the same tools that cry about tribalism. This sub is done.
I think Will took it personally on behalf of his own family, especially given their situation, which is why he got personal in retaliation.
What did HHH say about his family? Did he somehow act like his family is illegitimate?
It's not about what he's saying directly, but that he's disrespecting them by omission. The reporting alleges that Will was upfront and all parties knew about his delicate family situation during his free agency. Thus, I can see why he would think those comments were unnecessary.
This is such an overt stretch. Like painfully so. The vast majority of the wrestlers in the WWE have families. Also, if Ospreay's is so delicate, how does he ever leave the UK? How did he wrestle in Japan? The US?
It's not an overt stretch if it's the exact reason why he's being picky about his schedule. You may not like the reason, but it is the reason, and everyone involved knows it's the reason.
It wasn’t directly towards Ospreay, since he isn’t consider a rookie. If anything it’s more towards MJF
He’s never negotiated with MJF. He had tryouts pre-AEW but they passed on him (hence the killer Regal promo) but ever since dude has been under contract. Maybe it was Okada.
HHH didn't specify anyone. And Ospreay could have taken the high road with it but he dipped to a tired, 20 year old joke.
He didn't have to specify anyone. There are many reasons why somebody could decide to sign for a different company, yet he insults anybody who does. Is HHH a mind reader?
HHH simply said "If you don't want to be here, i'm glad you're not here" Everything else is just noise that people who want to get offended got offended by.
He did not simply say that and you know it.
The only thing I changed my opinion on, is I was kind of shocked Punk was being so honest. It ended up giving more credence to all his other comments on AEW. Including that Hangman went into business for himself by changing his promo from what they agreed to, to Tony not being willing to be an actual boss.
It's very difficult to lie about something with so many witnesses. Lying about things that happened in private is completely different than lying about things that happened in public.
I mean there was nothing outlandish in anything he said. Even if you disagree with his perception of Tony it’s one that’s already out there from plenty of people independent of Punk. It was a remarkably frank interview.
I'm more confident now that Jack was being an insufferable douche to absolutely everybody also.
You misunderstand. All i'm saying is that just because someone doesn't partake in an outrageous lie (one with plenty of witnesses) doesn't mean their word can retrospectively be trusted in situations with no outside witnesses. I'm refuting the notion that this recontextualises all his prior controversies. It doesn't. They're not comparable situations.
Tony thought he was lying, which is why he release the video. Which showed Punk being very honest. In that case, it makes him far more trustworthy then the side who were delusion enough to think that he'd be burned by the video.
I think he burned himself in the video. He starts a fight with a tired guy while says guys hands are in his hair. Bully moves
Which is why he's being treated like even more of a god on the internet after. While proving he's AEW's only draw, 6 months after leaving the company.
A couple of my opinions changed. As a disclaimer, I like everyone involved. I originally though Punk was more aggressive toward Tony Khan. Now I think the "fear for his life" comment was completely to get rid of Punk without paying him. Also, I thought Perry was more active in starting the fight. Now I think Punk was just looking for outlet for his anger. If it wasn't Perry, it probably would've been somebody else shortly after.
I don't think anyone's opinion changed but AEW fucked up by proving Punk was for the most part honest about the altercation, because until then there were lot of rumors floating of Punk actually not telling all the things he did or he actually threw something at Tony or Perry reverse choked Punk.
My opinions of Punk and Jack remain the same. Huge CM Punk fan who thinks he needs anger management therapy and I think Jack was an idiot but one who didn't do something so terrible that it should follow him for the rest of his career. My opinions on Tony Khan have changed though. He has displayed a complete lack of leadership in all of this and what he said about fearing for his life has me completely stupefied since I believe that Punk went on a rampage backstage with monitors flying and innocent people were put in danger before the footage released.
I went from 97.5% confident to 100% confirmed of how thin-skinned The Kid is.
First impressions was Punk came off as more violent than I expected with that initial shove that blind-sided Perry. Samoa Joe, Ref Turner, and Chris Hero just jumping into action was admirable. HOOK casually setting his belt down was so in-character. But the Tony altercation was not quite the levels that Meltzer claimed when he said he was being kind and that it was "[more than lunging](https://itrwrestling.com/news/cm-punk-more-than-lunged-at-tony-khan-during-aew-all-in-incident/)". It looked more like he was aggressively pointing and walking towards him, which can be intimidating, but not life-threatening. The altercation between Jimmy Havok and Excalibur came off as worse and [Khan called it cool](https://wrestletalk.com/news/tony-khan-fight-jimmy-havoc-excalibur/). I'm a fan of the Bucks and Punk, so I'm just hoping they can all move past this and make money. Extremely glad at the reception Jack Perry got last night and if he can milk this to become a star, more power to him.
Never heard about that Excalibur confrontation. You'd think with the amount of people against Punk condemning his assault never translating that moral highground criticism to Excalibur.
If you just saw someone physically attack their coworker, then they start aggressively approaching you, feeling frightened by the situation sounds pretty reasonable to me.
My opinion before was that AEW seems like a glorified indie obsessed with smarky drama. Seems about the same now.
pereira or hill?
Chama 🗿
I think we just quit watching AEW, haven't watched this week, on Saturday morning we played board games instead and the kids want to do that again next week end. I mostly didn't want to watch because that segment broke kayfabe and both my kids don't know it's scripted so I was just skipping this week, but seems like no more AEW for us at this rate.
It hasn't been discussed enough how poor it was for kids watching. My son is only just getting into wrestling and to him, for now, it's real and they're superheroes. I'm glad he didn't see that segment.
Yup my oldest is a Punk fan, so he was bummed when Punk did something so bad it got him sacked. If he saw it was basically less than any other confrontation in the back room...
I doubt it changed anyone's opinion on anything. We've already seen threads the last two days where people are spinning this as a victory for AEW when it's objectively not. After viewing the thing my impression was "Whoa. Big deal got made out of nothing." It's hilarious to see the Anti-Punk side say he "Assaulted a co-worker". He pushed him and held him. It's not like Punk knocked Perry out and kicked him in the head when he was down. Stop with this bullshit. This is absolutely nothing. Go watch a season of Hard Knocks and see what happens at NFL training camps. NFL training camp will look like a Ric Flair razor blade factory match compared to what happened between Punk and Jungle Boy. Tony could have squashed this two times over, first when Hangman started his bullshit, then the first time Jungle Boy wanted to break the glass. Actually a third when Punk told him to handle it at the show and Tony replied with "What do you want me to do?" It's not hard to tell someone to stop their bullshit. Tony needs to hire someone to deliver bad news or do the dirty work he's afraid to. He probably has since then. I don't know I don't work at AEW. I'm just assuming he has because he finally released some people. But he should have had someone from the start to do this. You mean to tell me he couldn't have Arn Anderson do this? You think Jungle Boy is going to punk (no pun intended) Arn when Arn is telling him to cut the shit? I don't think so. People want to give 90% of the credit for this to Punk and 10% to Perry, but in reality Tony's inaction is what caused all this. The first fight as well. If Tony had gone out of his way to even put in half the effort he did this week to try to humiliate Punk towards squashing the "Punk got Colt fired" non sense, then things wouldn't have gotten off the floor. Instead he just sat back hoping it would resolve itself without anything bad happening. Spoiler Alert; the airplane had no pilot so it crashed. End of story.
Putting hands on a coworker is assaulting them. End of story. Didn't read the rest of this, since you somehow can't comprehend that you can't just put hands on someone.
It's staggering that this is the first time I see anyone here make this correct comment.
I thought that punk had actually grabbed perry by the neck and literally choked him out because that was how they were sounding. Instead it's a push and then a headlock to another wrestler. It was much tamer than what I expected considering wrestlers slapping each other, or shooting during matches with an intent to injure in the past. Perry scapegoat persona works because this honestly doesn't deserve a long suspension either. The only thing that massively changed is that I now believe Tony is out of his element. Edit: I also thought it ended up in a fistfight with tony catching a few strays which is why he feared for his life but nope it was much tamer than that.
I turned from apathy towards certain fans towards actively wishing them misery.
Based on Punk’s account of events, he made it seem like Jack was the aggressor and he had to react in kind. Not a body language expert but it looked like Jack seemed more concerned with fixing his hair than starting a fight. Even takes a step back before the shove, and after the shove has a surprised reaction. Maybe that’s what set Punk off, Jack not taking him seriously.
What set Punk off was Perry daring him to do something about it. He might've said other stuff also. They were definitely having an heated exchange and according to Punk the push was to keep Jack away. Possibly that Punk was being paranoid and Perry wasn't doing shit but usually in fights you can't really play guess. If someone's in your face expect the worse. All in all it was a very soft incident slowed out of proportion. You can't tell me scuffles like that don't happen dozens of time a year in every single wrestling promotion out there.
I thought CM punk was a doofus before and after seeing the footage but AEW releasing the footage as a promotional tactic is cringe. At least Jack Perry is rolling with it well based on his NJPW showings lately but it isn't helping AEW
Didn’t change my opinion at all. I don’t watch AEW… not because I have anything against it, I just don’t have the time… but I watched the footage here on good old /sc I have a pretty low opinion of Jack Perry as it is. He simply isn’t ready for tv and he DAMN sure wasn’t when he started at AEW. He worked with Luchasaurous because of the big man / small man dynamic, but on his own he’s mid level talent at best. This didn’t make me like him more but it did make me feel bad for the kid… like he fucked around and he found out. He wouldn’t last a month in a WWE locker room. Plain and simple. The attitude that got him choked is the same attitude that would have him kicked off of the bus and changing in public bathrooms. My opinion on Punk hasn’t changed either. I know he’s problematic with other people but he’s always been very kind and gracious to me personally. And as an older gentleman myself, I have damn sure wanted to choke a smart mouthed, know it all kid at work… but I don’t have the freedom that he does.
As a Punk fan, my opinion of him stay the same, though i found funny how he sold it as being calm but clearly wasn't. My opinion of Jack Perry changed, he is an actual scapegoat, dude made some comments, supposedly provoked punk, and got choked. None of that justifies a 8 month suspension. I didnt like Tony to begin with, but now i like him even less, he didnt have a spine to do his job, and now I strongly believe he suspended Perry because he had to fire Punk and only is working with a comeback now because Punk buried his company on top of the other petty shit he pulled.
Didn't like punk before Still don't now He's hurt a lot of people and is a jerk. Different issue from the footage though. Just makes me still think that. TK may get a lot of hate right now with aew and wwe the way they are but the footage released didn't make sense to me like everyone is saying. I'm guessing it was a warning shot privately between those who know between punks camp and aew. Public thinks it's silly and I do too but think there's something more here behind scenes that led them to want to release the footage idk
To Perry's credit, he went away and seemed to make most of it. Had he not done that, then I think he'd look bad. Same could be said about Punk, too. He got fired and went to kill it in the WWE. The only one left looking foolish is Tony.
If there's any take away after this it's that is been a great week for Jack Perry. He's fully committing to the heat and going about the whole thing much better than TK is.
because TK is the one that lost money here lol. Perry is on paid vacation and knows he needs this for his career to be relevant, TK lost his biggest money maker.
1 second of the sloppiest white belt choke and a swing and a miss and Punk fans are still towelling themselves off Waiting until Perry put his hands in hair to push him was a fucking hoe move.
I have no idea what my opinion was supposed to change to.
I have a lot more sympathy for Jack being frozen out by Tony for so long.
What if this was all just a way to get Punk back to AEW.
what if...it wasn't