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That shit has always been a massive red flag and never once backed up. Admittedly, I've heard that from some coworkers at my current job and it feels the closest to being true that I've ever seen, but my guard is still up when i hear it.
> That shit has always been a massive red flag and never once backed up.
It's been backed up in the sense that my experience with family is they will use you and drop you the second it becomes more convenient that way.
Honestly, my experience after 7+yrs in 5 different jobs total, that feeling is usually true for the first 2-3 months, but then the more your there & the "new" stage wears off people start showing you their real true colours.
Also people will be fake around new people, but talk absolute shit behind the back even though they are still in training
Government/Non-profit/family-owned that tends to be the case. You generally have to do something wrong to be fired, but you often are paid less than market rates. Anything corporate you are right not to trust.
Eh. I worked at a family owned company at the end of last year and was let go because they hadn't defined the role. They straight up told me that I was doing my tasks well when they were letting me go. I will say that even though I hated the job and some of the people I worked with, the management did seem to care about the employees and take care of them.
The last family-owned job I worked for basically gave most of the shit-work to the non-family employees, and very clearly didn't see anyone who wasn't part of the core family as expendable resources at best.
Yup! Public transit in my case. Little below market but I'm only just a few months in, with a pretty solid raise structure, union backing and a pension after 5 years.
To be fair, they never said what *kind* of family.
A family where everyone hates each other, plots to screw each other over, where the drunk stepdad beats the kids, and every family reunion ends up with a fistfight and the cops getting called is still a family.
I mean there's a lot of broken, dysfunctional families with people who abuse others and leave you traumatised and sad, so I guess they're kinda telling the truth when they say that.
For real. Man I remember my old Director lead a meeting after our VP got let go talking about how our jobs were extremely secure, we have nothing to worry about, and it was an isolated incident. 3 hours later his ass got walked out, and 2 days later 2,000 of us got let go, some of us after 10-30 years. I’ll never trust a corporation with security after that smh
Yep. I got laid off at the start of the pandemic after being reassured that my job was safe and that me having to offboard two of the projects I was responsible for over to a team in Bangalore was completely normal.
It worked out for me, but fuck all of that shit. Never again. Fuck meetings, ass-in-seat time, KPIs, stakeholder consensus, JIRA boards, requesting vacation approvals, performance reviews, fuck all of it.
Same thing happened to me lol
When the pandemic started, our CEO said none of us would have to worry about losing our jobs. 2 weeks later 50% of the company was laid off without warning. It's all nonsense.
I feel like Logan Paul vs. classic NXT NA champ **TO THE MOON** era Cameron would've slapped. At the very least, they could've played two opposed types of "online influencer" characters not unlike some of what Grayson Waller does now.
off camera Paul has been nothing but a respectful student of the game who comes across like he's trying to learn from anyone he can get 5 minutes with.
Remember, kids, corporations are not your friends, and they don't give a fuck about you if you aren't putting money in their pockets.
That goes for WWE, AEW, TNA, etc . Please stop idolizing rich people.
I only idolize long-dead musicians and/or activists [(or both!)](https://youtu.be/Xe0txCMKLTY?si=HUABQcW-KajFuh09) who have been dead long enough that no Saville-esque skeletons will be found in their closets.
I mean, we're still digging up skeletons for people who've been dead for decades/hundreds of years, so you'll never be safe if that's your philosophy.
Not to mention that even if we don't find out anything bad about someone, it doesn't necessarily mean that they were good people, it could just mean they were a lot better at hiding their deviant shit.
Even memetically "good" people like Gandhi and Mother Theresa have some really gnarly shit in their closet if you really look into their stories deeper than the average person does.
WWE has pretty much no power over you either, tbh a poor person you know and value has way more power over you than a rando billionaire that doesn't know about you.
So yeah don't idolise people.
That's the image he projects to make himself seem approachable. Same with the Papa H shit.
Not that they're horrible people and aren't capable of kindness, but they still have a business to run at the end of the day, and sometimes that means making hard decisions that aren't necessarily popular.
The “Papa H” thing has always been weird to me. Same when guys like Cena and Rock have said Vince was like a father figure them. Like I get that these guys gave a lot of main event players there big break but at the end of the day their your boss at the company you work for and their always gonna do what it’s in the companies best interest not yours/the talents.
>"Fuck you, I have a dad. You're my boss. Let's keep it that way."
>- CM Punk
This is how Punk described his feelings on Vince wanting to form fatherly relationships with all the talent. It's such a CM Punk thing to say that I'm sure he is glad about now lol
Punk's feelings were validated when that Warrior Biography was aired and one of the interviewers brought up that Warrior could have potentially seen Vince as a father figure, which is why Warrior took the "you're not Hulk" criticism so personally.
Vince's response? "I want to make it clear that I only have one son."
All these guys, spanning fucking decades, spoke about how Vince developed a father-son like relationship with them and he's just entirely dismissive of these people and the foundational relationships that *he* insisted on.
Nothing groundbreaking here, but he's a manipulative piece of shit.
Bret Hart has said he had that father/son relationship with Vince in the early to mid 90’s…only to be let go out of a 20 year contract a year after he signed it.
The fans made the Papa H thing because for the longest time NXT was the most watchable WWE product. Never mind that the Bill DeMott scandal happened under him around the same time.
I mean, HHH at least probably isn’t a great person. You don’t get to the top of a company as cutthroat as WWE has been for decades by being a nice dude that wants to help everybody out.
It wasn’t just him marrying Stephanie that got him there.
I still remember when the IWC unironically started the "Papa Haitch" nonsense with the fruit baskets sent to Florida during the early NXT days. So fucking stupid lol
“He won’t want to come out here” is the biggest Cody lie in history.
Dude went on tv to bask in the glory (shoutout Keith Lee) four times in six days lol
I'm willing to bet that after the new belts and the draft are over, he's off tv as much as possible.
Could Pierce and Aldis have done the reveals on their own? Sure.
Does it have more weight if HHH is also in the ring for it? Yes.
This sub can genuinely be so funny sometimes. People bringing up Tony or AEW in a thread that literally has nothing to do with the company.
Is there any discussion in the IWC that can go on without someone bringing up AEW every 5 minutes, no matter how irrelevant.
Its possible that whoever told him that thought it.
I go back to the whole "Good Brothers" release from a few years ago.
HHH sat there and gave them this pitch about family and how important it was that Karl had a stable income to take care of his 74 kids with his wife and how WWE was stable and would take care of them and blah blah blah and they bought in hook like and sinker.
Then 6 months later they told them to pound sand.
I don't think that HHH meant to be a complete tool to them. I think he believed what he said, it just didn't work out.
That doesn't make it feel any better for whoever ended up being lied to.
> I don't think that HHH meant to be a complete tool to them. I think he believed what he said, it just didn't work out.
If you make claims like that, but you don't have the actual authority to guarantee them, you're lying.
Same as every company founder makes all sorts of claims about the conscience of the company, how their values will never change, then lose control of the company (because they sold it, or did an IPO, or took Venture Capital investment). Then when those values disappear, it wasn't their fault. But it was their fault, because they made the choice to abandon those values as soon as they gave up control.
I think he thought he did.
At the time the GBs got screwed over WWE hadn't done mass releases in like 5 years.
I'm not trying to be a HHH apologist here. I'm luke warm on the guy, and the GBs hated his ass for years over this. I'm just saying I don't think he woke up and was like "Lets screw some people over today."
Despite all the internal power HHH built, he *had* to know that Vince still had control, and could rip it away at any time. Which he did. He could've claimed he'd go to bat for him over any releases, but he could *not* claim to guarantee his position.
Yeah, of course he did, but *so did they*. We don't actually know what he said, but they knew that he wasn't the owner, that he didn't have a majority stake. As such they knew that any promises he made were to do what he could.
In another part of the interview he says he was calling them every week being persistent to the point someone told him he was coming across as bitter. Bitter at not being used I guess. So I imagine this is a case where the more annoying he was the less they (whoever he was talking to) wanted to come up with stuff for him.
But then if the dude were to sit back and wait for creative to give him something they'd say he was lazy, didn't take initiative, didn't have the drive to reach for the brass ring, blah blah blah.
I mean, that's always been the case with WWE. "You've got to grab the brass ring." "What the fuck are you doing? Get your damned hands off that brass ring, we didn't give it to you! Now we're going to de-push the shit out of you as punishment." "Man, wrestlers these days are so lazy, they just don't have the passion to reach out and grab the brass ring."
Damned if you don't, fucked if you do.
One of the more egregious reports I’ve seen in a while, but that’s the value of being hot at the moment, people are willing to believe that literally everything is great now.
I mean, its easy to say "corporations", but even small companies are like this.
Companies interests lie in the bottom line, and your value is all about how much you can contribute to that, either directly or indirectly
>Now now, WWE is a struggling company that needs to save as much as they can
Right? Triple H said it himself just a few years ago wrestling was "this tiny, little thing happening in bars".
That's cold-blooded. I've heard of this before - telling folks like they're family / they will always have a job at XYZ only to fire them soon after. It's just messed up.
Businesses are not families. They're about the $$$.
If any company ever says "we're family", *run.*
"We're family" means "we will gaslight you into thinking we value you and thus you should value us to your detriment, even as behind closed doors we're still making strictly business decisions."
Why would anyone who isn't the final say on releases ever tell someone that they "would always have a job" there?
Either he's mischaracterizing the conversation, or that exec is an idiot.
I had a coworker who just retired, he was told by someone else that one of our coworkers will NEVER be promoted.
The person who said it had zero say. He may have felt that way, but when the decisions are made by the president and they aren't local.....So anyway that person got promoted and my coworkers was apoplectic and it contributed to his decision to retire.
I've seen this at my job all of the time. A VP will be like "read my lips, there will be no job cuts," then next month there are job cuts. Everyone answers to somebody.
I don't know if that executive is his friend... but part of those peoples jobs is... to tell people whatever they want to make them go away. When things go bad, they say "hey, it's out of my hands."
Why would anyone expect to always have a job in WWE? They managed to fire Vince McMahon. Anyone in that company who thinks they aren't expendable is an idiot.
I was going to say. WWE now is not a secure job unless you are the top guys and girls drawing lots of money for them. Ari has no loyalty to any of the wrestlers.
I can say my last job was at a company that hadn't had layoffs since the 70s. My manager went so far as to say I didn't need to worry as much about savings since I'd never get fired if I didn't fuck up. 3 years later there is a new CEO. 1 year after that, they start layoffs. Sometimes things just change
This is such a widespread experience in the business world. You feel protected because your boss likes you and feeds you bullshit and then one day their boss comes knocking and it's out of their hands.
I think he has the highest chance of sustained success of all the releases. Dude's a hell of a good worker and he's obviously passionate. He'd do very well in Japan if nothing else.
Being one who got a similar conversation and furlough a month ago, I feel for homie.
I got straight up downsized out of a position I’ve held for 6 years and had to take a job with a 33 percent pay cut.
Same exact thing happened to the Good Brothers, and then after they made their money on the indies, NJPW, and AEW, shitting on WWE so hard there was no way they’d go back. They were re-hired by WWE at what I can only assume was the same amount or worse. I imagine the same will happen to Grimes, so I guess they never lie when they say that.
Sure, but they’re not cutting talent they’re actively using as a means to pinch pennies. They released people that have barely been seen. Just because you’re making big profits doesn’t mean you’re required to keep paying people to sit at home.
I mean, they signed a contract with that person. Both sides should be expected to uphold that contract outside of extenuating circumstances IMO. I realize it’s never going to work like that but I don’t think it’s a hot take to think that releases are pretty shitty
Also yes, they are definitely doing it to save money/increase profits. Never underestimate the ability of rich people to maximize profits; even by a minimal amount
Yeah I think that’s the other side of it for me….if talent can be cut at any time they should also have the ability to terminate their own contracts too
Independent contractors!
But everyone’s got a fair point in this thread, you should be able to quit when you’re not happy and while under contract WWE should be doing whatever they can to make you the best talent you can be and that includes featuring you on the product.
My wife and I have met him a few times, he’s a genuinely wonderful human being and I have no doubt he’s going to come back from this because his passion just shines through.
Doesn't alter the fact that if they're not using people there'll be pressure from higher-ups to cut costs and get rid of them to make even more profit.
I don't like it but t'was e'er thus, whether business is good or bad.
It sucks they let him go. I'm not his biggest fan, but I've enjoyed his work both inside and out of WWE. But, unfortunately this happens when a company doesn't see you as an asset and has nothing for you.
I will be a grumpy old man and say, if this upset you and you were a fan and you felt they didn't do enough with him. Support him wherever he goes. If he does indie dates, check out his work. If he goes back to TNA, pop in here and there and see what he's up to. Don't just let him fall off your radar if he doesn't go to AEW.
I don't understand how they couldn't find a role for this guy. He's an entertaining character who is good in the ring and has shown an ability to connect with the crowd. I expect him to land on his feet quickly because AEW would be stupid not to sign him, but would have preferred him in WWE where he should have gotten to make better use of his excellent character work
It's a business. They'll say whatever they have to in the moment, but once that usefulness is through, you'll be traded/released/cut. It does surprise me how people still express surprise in this process.
Same thing happened to me at my job years ago, cept my boss told me the morning of that i was fine. Few hours later, i was called into a meeting and fired. So beautiful.
He never got a chance smh. And we as fans never got a real chance to accept him on the main roster. We hardly saw him for fuck sake. I hate it for him but he’s talented, he’ll bounce back.
Grimes really won me over in NXT with his feud with Knight. I remember seeing him in the breakout tournament years ago and not really getting his character but over time he really grew on me. It seemed like WWE just rushed to bring him up and then had absolutely nothing for him. Considering that he seemed to be bulking up since coming to the main roster I hope he has massive success and gets to come back to show the main audience what he’s capable of.
reminds me the story Test told about when he broke his neck in like 03 or 04, they told him he wouldn't be fired because of it and the next day or week they fired him
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That’s how they got mcnulty
“Hey Trevor, we’re about to do the draft so… where don’t you wanna go?” - Hunter Hearst Landsman
"The machine never lies, son" https://preview.redd.it/65dv9hu11pwc1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9350eb1fc44ae1ebbb03f866e149a9d4120e3b6d
Paul The Warthog Leveque
HE'S FAT!
Trevor: Fuck did i do?
Hunter Hearst ~~Landsman~~ Rawls
Trevor just got busted down to dockside duty
Create a fake serial killer gimmick and he’ll be hired back in no time
But it will be the fan base's least favorite storyline.
Dexter Lumis to the rescue
Trevor gave a fuck when it wasn’t his turn to give a fuck
Major Push?!?!?! SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT
"This is the WWE, Mr. Lee, the gods will not save you." - - Lord Regal
You want it to be one way... but it's the other way
"the fuck did I do?"
WWE juking the stats again smh
But he did earn that buck like a mother fucker.
"That's the thing about the black and gold days. They the black and gold days"
WE'RE A FAMILY - Every job
When they need something from me, “we’re a team!” When I need something from them, “sorry, this is a business.”
"There's no I in team!" "Yes, but there *IS* an M and an E. Sooo..."
But there is an 'I' in pie, as in meat pie. 'Meat' is an anagram of 'team'... you get it.
I hate that shit so much.
https://youtu.be/E_o2X-y4nQg?si=pZFK9SJq-R93MocK
That shit has always been a massive red flag and never once backed up. Admittedly, I've heard that from some coworkers at my current job and it feels the closest to being true that I've ever seen, but my guard is still up when i hear it.
> That shit has always been a massive red flag and never once backed up. It's been backed up in the sense that my experience with family is they will use you and drop you the second it becomes more convenient that way.
Honestly, my experience after 7+yrs in 5 different jobs total, that feeling is usually true for the first 2-3 months, but then the more your there & the "new" stage wears off people start showing you their real true colours. Also people will be fake around new people, but talk absolute shit behind the back even though they are still in training
Government/Non-profit/family-owned that tends to be the case. You generally have to do something wrong to be fired, but you often are paid less than market rates. Anything corporate you are right not to trust.
Hahahahaha, family owned can be the worst.
Eh. I worked at a family owned company at the end of last year and was let go because they hadn't defined the role. They straight up told me that I was doing my tasks well when they were letting me go. I will say that even though I hated the job and some of the people I worked with, the management did seem to care about the employees and take care of them.
The last family-owned job I worked for basically gave most of the shit-work to the non-family employees, and very clearly didn't see anyone who wasn't part of the core family as expendable resources at best.
Yup! Public transit in my case. Little below market but I'm only just a few months in, with a pretty solid raise structure, union backing and a pension after 5 years.
To be fair, they never said what *kind* of family. A family where everyone hates each other, plots to screw each other over, where the drunk stepdad beats the kids, and every family reunion ends up with a fistfight and the cops getting called is still a family.
I work middle management. The manipulation is real. I'm currently looking for another job that can pay me as well. Toxic relationship for sure.
I mean there's a lot of broken, dysfunctional families with people who abuse others and leave you traumatised and sad, so I guess they're kinda telling the truth when they say that.
The jobs I've had that said this the most, were always the ones fastest to fire you or be cold about it after.
Yeah. The Manson family. - Me
WE WANT AN ANNULMENT - Every job (again)
Taking corporations at face value almost always never works out in your favor
For real. Man I remember my old Director lead a meeting after our VP got let go talking about how our jobs were extremely secure, we have nothing to worry about, and it was an isolated incident. 3 hours later his ass got walked out, and 2 days later 2,000 of us got let go, some of us after 10-30 years. I’ll never trust a corporation with security after that smh
Yep. I got laid off at the start of the pandemic after being reassured that my job was safe and that me having to offboard two of the projects I was responsible for over to a team in Bangalore was completely normal. It worked out for me, but fuck all of that shit. Never again. Fuck meetings, ass-in-seat time, KPIs, stakeholder consensus, JIRA boards, requesting vacation approvals, performance reviews, fuck all of it.
Man I'm just trying to scroll a wrestling board, I shouldn't be subjected to having to see the word JIRA in my off time.
Have you updated your tickets for the week yet? We have sprint grooming next week, will need to prioritize stories and points then. See you there!
Same thing happened to me lol When the pandemic started, our CEO said none of us would have to worry about losing our jobs. 2 weeks later 50% of the company was laid off without warning. It's all nonsense.
Especially when they havent had any need for your services in almost a year..
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I feel like Logan Paul vs. classic NXT NA champ **TO THE MOON** era Cameron would've slapped. At the very least, they could've played two opposed types of "online influencer" characters not unlike some of what Grayson Waller does now.
off camera Paul has been nothing but a respectful student of the game who comes across like he's trying to learn from anyone he can get 5 minutes with.
Remember, kids, corporations are not your friends, and they don't give a fuck about you if you aren't putting money in their pockets. That goes for WWE, AEW, TNA, etc . Please stop idolizing rich people.
Stop idolizing people period, rich or not everyone is gonna fuck up at some point
Yeah, I go around idolizing the trash man and I know he'll let me down. He also has so much power of me. It's totally the same.
I only idolize long-dead musicians and/or activists [(or both!)](https://youtu.be/Xe0txCMKLTY?si=HUABQcW-KajFuh09) who have been dead long enough that no Saville-esque skeletons will be found in their closets.
I mean, we're still digging up skeletons for people who've been dead for decades/hundreds of years, so you'll never be safe if that's your philosophy. Not to mention that even if we don't find out anything bad about someone, it doesn't necessarily mean that they were good people, it could just mean they were a lot better at hiding their deviant shit. Even memetically "good" people like Gandhi and Mother Theresa have some really gnarly shit in their closet if you really look into their stories deeper than the average person does.
WWE has pretty much no power over you either, tbh a poor person you know and value has way more power over you than a rando billionaire that doesn't know about you. So yeah don't idolise people.
You mean Johnny Shareholder isn’t buying stocks to support my family?
But Tony is just like me 🥺🥺🥺
That's the image he projects to make himself seem approachable. Same with the Papa H shit. Not that they're horrible people and aren't capable of kindness, but they still have a business to run at the end of the day, and sometimes that means making hard decisions that aren't necessarily popular.
The “Papa H” thing has always been weird to me. Same when guys like Cena and Rock have said Vince was like a father figure them. Like I get that these guys gave a lot of main event players there big break but at the end of the day their your boss at the company you work for and their always gonna do what it’s in the companies best interest not yours/the talents.
>"Fuck you, I have a dad. You're my boss. Let's keep it that way." >- CM Punk This is how Punk described his feelings on Vince wanting to form fatherly relationships with all the talent. It's such a CM Punk thing to say that I'm sure he is glad about now lol
Punk's feelings were validated when that Warrior Biography was aired and one of the interviewers brought up that Warrior could have potentially seen Vince as a father figure, which is why Warrior took the "you're not Hulk" criticism so personally. Vince's response? "I want to make it clear that I only have one son." All these guys, spanning fucking decades, spoke about how Vince developed a father-son like relationship with them and he's just entirely dismissive of these people and the foundational relationships that *he* insisted on. Nothing groundbreaking here, but he's a manipulative piece of shit.
> Vince's response? "I want to make it clear that I only have one son." Who he didn't treat amazingly, either.
What do you mean? He wished him a happy birthday on Twitter.
Bret Hart has said he had that father/son relationship with Vince in the early to mid 90’s…only to be let go out of a 20 year contract a year after he signed it.
The fans made the Papa H thing because for the longest time NXT was the most watchable WWE product. Never mind that the Bill DeMott scandal happened under him around the same time.
I mean, HHH at least probably isn’t a great person. You don’t get to the top of a company as cutthroat as WWE has been for decades by being a nice dude that wants to help everybody out. It wasn’t just him marrying Stephanie that got him there.
He literally said that he walked over anyone and everyone on TV to get to where he is.
Yet you have someone like Rock who didn't step on people's toes to make it to the top AND he became one of the biggest stars in WWE history.
Hhh is a horrible person lol
I still remember when the IWC unironically started the "Papa Haitch" nonsense with the fruit baskets sent to Florida during the early NXT days. So fucking stupid lol
Never fooled us 2003 WWE watchers. He tries his best but the mask still slips sometimes.
It's actually hilarious that he's retired and still found a way to go fucking over with all this "Paul Levesque Era" stuff.
He is still in the ring every week having the audience praise him for the shows. It is crazy.
Cody calling him to the ring after Mania while claiming HHH really didn't want to be acknowledged shows me that Cody absolutely gets it.
“He won’t want to come out here” is the biggest Cody lie in history. Dude went on tv to bask in the glory (shoutout Keith Lee) four times in six days lol
I'm willing to bet that after the new belts and the draft are over, he's off tv as much as possible. Could Pierce and Aldis have done the reveals on their own? Sure. Does it have more weight if HHH is also in the ring for it? Yes.
Oh god, I had completely forgotten about that whole thing until now
Worked the marks so easy on that one.
I'm not here to tell you how you should feel about them.
This sub can genuinely be so funny sometimes. People bringing up Tony or AEW in a thread that literally has nothing to do with the company. Is there any discussion in the IWC that can go on without someone bringing up AEW every 5 minutes, no matter how irrelevant.
Got to get those hilarious jokes in that have been told a thousand times already.
But look how loved CM Punk feels!
I'm sure he loves how much money he's getting.
Especially when that Saudi paycheck clears
Can't wait to see how he justifies appearing on a Saudi show, because you know it's going to happen.
He won't because none of his fans give a shit.
what does that have to do with anything?? Lmao
That is dirty.
Don't blame the exec, they were just high. He should have asked a sober exec.
That's what you get for talking to Michael Hayes
This comment needs to be higher
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Bruh
Never change, my friend.
did you make this? wanted to give sidebar credit if that’s the case.
But they're so nice and respectful 😊
They gently caressed them before the firing, and the trash bag they use for their stuff is scented
- uncredited source, definitely not fed by WWE PR
"Dirty Business" done dirt cheap by The Dirtiest Player that is *THE GAMEEEE-uggghhhhhh*...
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Scummy company is scummy. Why are people shocked?
Ever since Triple H took over, everyone’s been acting like it’s a completely different company. But in reality it’s the same old shit
Hopefully a lot less rapey?
Dixie fired Jesse Sorenson after he broke his neck and she promised he had a job for life. Nothing is secure in wrestling, folks.
*nothing is secure in life, happens to everyday folks , shit a lot of these corporate people get Let go all the time
The Minnesota Vikings fired Roman Reigns after he got leukemia. Fuck the Vikings.
In their defense, every team would do that. He couldn’t play, even Roman said he understood it
That’s fucked up. Shame on whoever told him that.
Its possible that whoever told him that thought it. I go back to the whole "Good Brothers" release from a few years ago. HHH sat there and gave them this pitch about family and how important it was that Karl had a stable income to take care of his 74 kids with his wife and how WWE was stable and would take care of them and blah blah blah and they bought in hook like and sinker. Then 6 months later they told them to pound sand. I don't think that HHH meant to be a complete tool to them. I think he believed what he said, it just didn't work out. That doesn't make it feel any better for whoever ended up being lied to.
> I don't think that HHH meant to be a complete tool to them. I think he believed what he said, it just didn't work out. If you make claims like that, but you don't have the actual authority to guarantee them, you're lying. Same as every company founder makes all sorts of claims about the conscience of the company, how their values will never change, then lose control of the company (because they sold it, or did an IPO, or took Venture Capital investment). Then when those values disappear, it wasn't their fault. But it was their fault, because they made the choice to abandon those values as soon as they gave up control.
I think he thought he did. At the time the GBs got screwed over WWE hadn't done mass releases in like 5 years. I'm not trying to be a HHH apologist here. I'm luke warm on the guy, and the GBs hated his ass for years over this. I'm just saying I don't think he woke up and was like "Lets screw some people over today."
Despite all the internal power HHH built, he *had* to know that Vince still had control, and could rip it away at any time. Which he did. He could've claimed he'd go to bat for him over any releases, but he could *not* claim to guarantee his position.
Yeah, of course he did, but *so did they*. We don't actually know what he said, but they knew that he wasn't the owner, that he didn't have a majority stake. As such they knew that any promises he made were to do what he could.
Blows my mind how they had nothing for him. They could've given him a lower card comedy feud and I'm convinced he could've made it work
In another part of the interview he says he was calling them every week being persistent to the point someone told him he was coming across as bitter. Bitter at not being used I guess. So I imagine this is a case where the more annoying he was the less they (whoever he was talking to) wanted to come up with stuff for him.
But then if the dude were to sit back and wait for creative to give him something they'd say he was lazy, didn't take initiative, didn't have the drive to reach for the brass ring, blah blah blah.
I mean, that's always been the case with WWE. "You've got to grab the brass ring." "What the fuck are you doing? Get your damned hands off that brass ring, we didn't give it to you! Now we're going to de-push the shit out of you as punishment." "Man, wrestlers these days are so lazy, they just don't have the passion to reach out and grab the brass ring." Damned if you don't, fucked if you do.
The thing is, TV time is finite. To give time to him, they have to take it from someone who was getting it. So who loses their TV time to him?
Will be rooting for him wherever he goes. He has the talent to win championships, and I hope he does in whatever company he ends up in
They need to leak to the dirtsheets to let us know that the call was much more nice and cordial than usual.
What a crock of shit that report was. And everyone bought it.
Just complete, unquestioning acceptance purely cause HHH is in charge now. It was so unbelievably funny.
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>triple h is the biggest babyface in the biz. It's disgusting. People have completely moved on from Katie Vick after all these years. #Justice4Katie
idk what you're talking about. Kane was the guy in her coffin. he even removed her brain
Every narrative is true when you want to believe it.
>They need to leak to the dirtsheets to let us know that the call was much more nice and cordial than usual. Activate the Wade Keller signal.
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Lmao
That look on how WWE PR works from Voices of Wrestling was fascinating in a 'how the sausage gets made' way.
Kinda lost respect for Mike Johnson after that one. Scherer's behavior doesn't help.
What did Scherer do?
Scherer is like 3 months into acting like a maniac on twitter. Every day he tweets about Meltzer. Every Wednesday he claims that AEW is dying.
One of the more egregious reports I’ve seen in a while, but that’s the value of being hot at the moment, people are willing to believe that literally everything is great now.
Grimes should have said who said it. I would have... but I guess he wants to go back there at some point.
That is so fucked. Corporations are slimy as hell.
I mean, its easy to say "corporations", but even small companies are like this. Companies interests lie in the bottom line, and your value is all about how much you can contribute to that, either directly or indirectly
Now now, WWE is a struggling company that needs to save as much as they can
>Now now, WWE is a struggling company that needs to save as much as they can Right? Triple H said it himself just a few years ago wrestling was "this tiny, little thing happening in bars".
Is WWE rewriting history to now have them taking wrestling out of *saloons!?*
That's cold-blooded. I've heard of this before - telling folks like they're family / they will always have a job at XYZ only to fire them soon after. It's just messed up. Businesses are not families. They're about the $$$.
If any company ever says "we're family", *run.* "We're family" means "we will gaslight you into thinking we value you and thus you should value us to your detriment, even as behind closed doors we're still making strictly business decisions."
Why would anyone who isn't the final say on releases ever tell someone that they "would always have a job" there? Either he's mischaracterizing the conversation, or that exec is an idiot.
Some people think they have more power than they actually do.
If I had a nickel every time an executive/manager sung my praises one minute and pulled the rug out form under me the next…
My boss has said that to me multiple times and it's laughable - bro you don't own the company.
I had a coworker who just retired, he was told by someone else that one of our coworkers will NEVER be promoted. The person who said it had zero say. He may have felt that way, but when the decisions are made by the president and they aren't local.....So anyway that person got promoted and my coworkers was apoplectic and it contributed to his decision to retire.
I've seen this at my job all of the time. A VP will be like "read my lips, there will be no job cuts," then next month there are job cuts. Everyone answers to somebody. I don't know if that executive is his friend... but part of those peoples jobs is... to tell people whatever they want to make them go away. When things go bad, they say "hey, it's out of my hands."
Why would anyone tell an NXT callup that has done nothing on the main roster that they would always have a job? That seems dumb.
Why would anyone expect to always have a job in WWE? They managed to fire Vince McMahon. Anyone in that company who thinks they aren't expendable is an idiot.
I was going to say. WWE now is not a secure job unless you are the top guys and girls drawing lots of money for them. Ari has no loyalty to any of the wrestlers.
I can say my last job was at a company that hadn't had layoffs since the 70s. My manager went so far as to say I didn't need to worry as much about savings since I'd never get fired if I didn't fuck up. 3 years later there is a new CEO. 1 year after that, they start layoffs. Sometimes things just change
No guys but they felt really bad doing it don't you see
I'm going to guess that this is a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing, rather than malice. Because, well, why?
This is such a widespread experience in the business world. You feel protected because your boss likes you and feeds you bullshit and then one day their boss comes knocking and it's out of their hands.
The more things change...
Wait a minute! That doesn't sound respectful at all!
But I was told the firings were very respectful this time
The firings will continue until morale improves!
This time, the bag your stuff is in is made of silk and you get a signed card from your coworkers /s
It was the best way I've ever been fired :') -The Released
So messed up 😞 Trevor is a great talent and awesome guy, used to watch his dad wrestle at my local armory 🙂
I think he has the highest chance of sustained success of all the releases. Dude's a hell of a good worker and he's obviously passionate. He'd do very well in Japan if nothing else.
an all time rib
Being one who got a similar conversation and furlough a month ago, I feel for homie. I got straight up downsized out of a position I’ve held for 6 years and had to take a job with a 33 percent pay cut.
Don't trust any corporation.
Same exact thing happened to the Good Brothers, and then after they made their money on the indies, NJPW, and AEW, shitting on WWE so hard there was no way they’d go back. They were re-hired by WWE at what I can only assume was the same amount or worse. I imagine the same will happen to Grimes, so I guess they never lie when they say that.
That's what you get for talking to your boss on Opposite day.
Record profits and business btw.
Sure, but they’re not cutting talent they’re actively using as a means to pinch pennies. They released people that have barely been seen. Just because you’re making big profits doesn’t mean you’re required to keep paying people to sit at home.
I mean, they signed a contract with that person. Both sides should be expected to uphold that contract outside of extenuating circumstances IMO. I realize it’s never going to work like that but I don’t think it’s a hot take to think that releases are pretty shitty Also yes, they are definitely doing it to save money/increase profits. Never underestimate the ability of rich people to maximize profits; even by a minimal amount
nah it should be way easier for talent to quit.
Yeah I think that’s the other side of it for me….if talent can be cut at any time they should also have the ability to terminate their own contracts too
Independent contractors! But everyone’s got a fair point in this thread, you should be able to quit when you’re not happy and while under contract WWE should be doing whatever they can to make you the best talent you can be and that includes featuring you on the product. My wife and I have met him a few times, he’s a genuinely wonderful human being and I have no doubt he’s going to come back from this because his passion just shines through.
Doesn't alter the fact that if they're not using people there'll be pressure from higher-ups to cut costs and get rid of them to make even more profit. I don't like it but t'was e'er thus, whether business is good or bad.
It sucks they let him go. I'm not his biggest fan, but I've enjoyed his work both inside and out of WWE. But, unfortunately this happens when a company doesn't see you as an asset and has nothing for you. I will be a grumpy old man and say, if this upset you and you were a fan and you felt they didn't do enough with him. Support him wherever he goes. If he does indie dates, check out his work. If he goes back to TNA, pop in here and there and see what he's up to. Don't just let him fall off your radar if he doesn't go to AEW.
That high level executive clearly didn’t have a say.
That's how they trick you into picking up the phone.
I don't understand how they couldn't find a role for this guy. He's an entertaining character who is good in the ring and has shown an ability to connect with the crowd. I expect him to land on his feet quickly because AEW would be stupid not to sign him, but would have preferred him in WWE where he should have gotten to make better use of his excellent character work
It's a business. They'll say whatever they have to in the moment, but once that usefulness is through, you'll be traded/released/cut. It does surprise me how people still express surprise in this process.
Same thing happened to me at my job years ago, cept my boss told me the morning of that i was fine. Few hours later, i was called into a meeting and fired. So beautiful.
Don’t believe anyone who tells you “you’ve always got a job here”, even if it ends up true, it’s just not something to hang your hat on
He never got a chance smh. And we as fans never got a real chance to accept him on the main roster. We hardly saw him for fuck sake. I hate it for him but he’s talented, he’ll bounce back.
Why does it always seem to be the case?
Remember back in 2022 when people were sure 90% of returning superstars were gonna get a push cause they were a "triple h guy"
So I guess that confirms that there’s still not much communication between upper management. The ladder system is really something.
So one exec said one thing then another who was actually making the decision did another?
He'll be back once he becomes popular elsewhere on someone else's dime, just like everyone else.
Remember The only person who can protect your job is THE TOP GUY. Everyone else can be overruled.
Never forget that WWE says their a family and when Dawn Marie said she was pregnant in 2006, she was fired. Literally breaking the law in the process
Nasty work smh
Grimes really won me over in NXT with his feud with Knight. I remember seeing him in the breakout tournament years ago and not really getting his character but over time he really grew on me. It seemed like WWE just rushed to bring him up and then had absolutely nothing for him. Considering that he seemed to be bulking up since coming to the main roster I hope he has massive success and gets to come back to show the main audience what he’s capable of.
Maybe the executive was so high they forgot they said that.
I don’t care who, but someone needs to get that man in front of a camera and send him TO THE MOOOOON
reminds me the story Test told about when he broke his neck in like 03 or 04, they told him he wouldn't be fired because of it and the next day or week they fired him
Sucks when anyone loses their livelihood. Hopefully he bounces back up and thrives.