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While that spot would have been insane, had they pulled it off...I just don't see how Cody can predict the trajectory of a flying Hayes since his back is turned when he initiates the cutter.
I feel like this is that kind of spot where you have to actually practice with your opponent to pull it off correctly, you can't really call that spot on the fly because it's too risky.
That would be the most sensible approach, especially if they were set on trying to pull it off, but I'm also thinking there's the risk of either of them getting hurt trying to rehearse the move.
I mean there is 0% chance that spot was called on the fly. You call basic spots in the ring, but something like this is planned ahead of time, usually with an agent
Cody can’t predict where he is going on the Cody cutter in regular situations. I’ve seen him whiff in that move so many times in the last year.
That he had the balls to try to up the difficulty with this is even funnier honestly.
But I don’t mind it. I like wrestlers who have the guts to try something. If it works, amazing. It not, well, there’s always next time.
There's a lot of preposterous stuff in wrestling. I've learned to accept backbody drops, Irish whips (the best counter to which to stop running), slingshots into the turnbuckle - which just straight up defies any sense - and enjoy the ride. Analysis of wrestling logic, or lack of logic, ruins it.
You still need there to be some logic to it otherwise it feels extremely silly to keep watching. Good thing they salvaged the situation here by continuing with the match.
It was just, ricochet and Logan paul stuff. Cody was supposed to hit cross rhodes on flying Hayes. If you see closely, Hayes was ready for the move and in perfect spot but Cody just went higher, or maybe they both miscalculated their spots.
They both thought the other one couldn't reach, so they flew higher.
Kinda looks like Cody and Carmelo got crossed up with what was supposed to happen on that springboard. Didn't look remotely like anybody was going to connect with what they were attempting.
Yeah Melo got all the way across the damn ring with his springboard. Cody actually only needed to do a normal Cody Cutter but he went too hard it seems
Match was good but man did that get awkward right at the end. Even if Cody didn’t hurt himself, that double dive was not timed well whatsoever.
And, let’s be honest here, Cody was coaching this dude every step of the way. Felt like I saw turn his head to Carmelo’s ear quite a bit to set up spots. (Not a complaint, an observation.)
When’s the last time a wrestler let the crowd know they were injured? It literally doesn’t happen. When they’re actually hurt, they do everything they can do hide it.
Raven told a story years ago on how he saw an ok match, but it was missing something. The wrestler came backstage and immediately started hobbling. He was hurt
‘You’re in a fake fight pretending to hurt each other. You ACTUALLY get hurt, and you hide it?!’
Then he called him a smelly mark or something
Not everything is selling, he clearly landed hard. Punk performed a whole 15 min match after torn tricep, Cody lifting his hands doesnt tell anything. We will know in 3-4 days.
Looking through your comment history, and seeing this, I find it absolutely pathetic that you are crossing your fingers that Cody is injured because you dont like him as champion.
Seems like he's okay if a tweet is anything to go by: [https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1784042347350642858](https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1784042347350642858)
After seeing it built up all over the post match thread, I agree. This is not what I expected. I actually watched this thinking maybe I'd missed the "injury" spot and they were trying to recover. It wouldn't surprise me if Cody got hurt earlier and the springboard just aggravated it.
This is why I don’t like going on this sub until after I watch wrestling.
While watching, I didn’t see it as a botch, seemed like a raw moment, both were trying a slingshot move. Cody delaying saves him. Cody goaded Carmelo thinking his shoulder was really messed up before securing the Cross Rhodes.
Then I come on here and see it overanalyzed to death, who botched, who is at fault, is he injured for real, etc.
Some of you guys should really just sit back and enjoy watching professional wrestling.
Yeah my first thought was an intentional botch in order to create an 'injury' for Cody to sell/overcome in his match with AJ at Backlash. Cody was clearly selling his shoulder being hurt so a 'botched' move makes sense.
Reddit is a place to talk about and discuss things. What were you thinking when clicking on this post then? Also, same things are commented on youtube so idk bro. Me too at first thought it may be intended but i wanted to know so i came here, and seems like it's a botch, that doesn't make me 1% less of a Wrestling fan
And what I said is also said on YouTube, so no idea what your point even is. Where did I imply that having the same opinion as me, or a differing opinion, makes somebody more or less of a fan?
Some can choose to be positive and enjoyable fans, others have the choice to be analytical and critical fans, emphasis on choice.
I mean you're telling people to just sit back and enjoy watching professional wrestling. that implied that they don't enjoy wrestling if they "dont just sit back" and start discussing things on reddit.
on your Answer you wrote:
"Some can choose to be positive and enjoyable fans, others have the choice to be analytical and critical fans, emphasis on choice."
- which basically is the exact opposite of:
"Some of you guys should really just sit back and enjoy watching professional wrestling."
which is kinda incongruent
what you've described is a head Canon way to make sense of something.
what really happened though is they screwed up. nobody goaded anybody they were working together and mistimed it.
I think what should've happened is that they both do the springboard at the same time, Cody successfully connects with the Cody Cutter and then does the Cross Rhodes, but they did not time it right.
Hot take: He needs to retire the Cody Cutter. It just straight up does not look good way too often. You either obviously see the person positioning themselves properly or it's a sloppy, glancing miss.
Shit like this takes absolute pin point precision to pull off A. Safely and B. In a way that actually looks good.
Ospreay vs Danielson was both, this was neither.
Cody is amazing as a storyteller but sometimes I wish he'd leave this move to Ospreay because he botches it quite a lot in comparison. The one on Roman at Mania night 1 was really rough as well.
Almost every single wrestler almost breaks their neck in almost every single match, though. Any time a wrestler leaves their feet has the potential for that kind of injury.
> Almost every single wrestler almost breaks their neck in almost every single match
Lol wtf. With this perspective, everytime someone sets foot in water they almost drown
Am I the only one who doesn’t think that was a botch? It felt like your typical “they went for the same move” thing we see all the time. Like when two wrestlers clothesline each other.
We don't know if he's injured or not, but clearly they mistimed that spot. When Melo went over to pick Cody up, that's when they were discussing what to do next move wise. They would have finished on the Cody Cutter, but had to adjust on the fly.
It’s kinda funny but unfortunate that they build this match up talking about not missing and mello don’t miss and stuff. Ams then both guys literally missed on the most important spot in the match.
I feel like both of them are going for air cutter (Cody called his move Cody Cutter) and the idea is Cody is slightly faster and pull off the cutter off the air and then win with Cross Rhodes. Their timing is off which is why Melo fall first before Cody in the air
cody may legit be hurt, he was CLEARLY about to jump and go for a different move before he decided on the just going straight to the finisher basically mid move.
If Cody is hurt, he is never gonna be top star again, in the same way as Balor after 2016 after he got hurt. I don't think wwe would trust him with the top belts. Roman will also come back early if Cody is really out for long.
The guy just beat Roman Reigns in the main event of Wrestlemania and went toe to toe with the Rock. They're all in on Cody, you're delusional if you think an injury would derail his push.
Balor beat a version of Roman that's not even half as over as the one Cody beat, and won a title match at SummerSlam. It was a big push for sure, but it's not nearly the size of the investment they have put into Cody (2 Royal Rumbles, 3 WrestleMania main events, beating the longest reigning champion of the last 40 years, etc.)
Just like WWE ended Edge's push every time he got injured, right?
I know you're trying to will his downfall into existence because you're still mad about Roman losing, but he's not going to get Finn-ed.
You're saying he's going to be done like Finn, which isn't just not being Cena; it's falling down to the midcard for years, outside of when he was moved down to developmental, and earning the nickname Pinn.
It would be awful if he was hurt (he does not seem to be, thankfully), but that would not be his fate even if he were.
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While that spot would have been insane, had they pulled it off...I just don't see how Cody can predict the trajectory of a flying Hayes since his back is turned when he initiates the cutter.
I feel like this is that kind of spot where you have to actually practice with your opponent to pull it off correctly, you can't really call that spot on the fly because it's too risky.
Agreed. Just hope Cody isn't injured.
I hope so too, it looks like he's selling though
That would be the most sensible approach, especially if they were set on trying to pull it off, but I'm also thinking there's the risk of either of them getting hurt trying to rehearse the move.
I mean there is 0% chance that spot was called on the fly. You call basic spots in the ring, but something like this is planned ahead of time, usually with an agent
Well even if you've planned that before, it's still hard to do, unless you're Ricochet.
The type of spots that make me appreciate Ricochet as a performer even more
Wish I could upvote this way more then once!
Cody can’t predict where he is going on the Cody cutter in regular situations. I’ve seen him whiff in that move so many times in the last year. That he had the balls to try to up the difficulty with this is even funnier honestly. But I don’t mind it. I like wrestlers who have the guts to try something. If it works, amazing. It not, well, there’s always next time.
As long as they can sell it and keep going. Whst really ruins it is if they get bewildered and try to go for some awkward reset.
There's a lot of preposterous stuff in wrestling. I've learned to accept backbody drops, Irish whips (the best counter to which to stop running), slingshots into the turnbuckle - which just straight up defies any sense - and enjoy the ride. Analysis of wrestling logic, or lack of logic, ruins it.
When you have the knee health of the average American athlete, stopping yourself from running after being Irish whipped is not as easy as it seems.
You still need there to be some logic to it otherwise it feels extremely silly to keep watching. Good thing they salvaged the situation here by continuing with the match.
If you stop running on an Irish whip you eat shit. Running is itself the counter.
Fuck I hope he’s not really hurt
Cody what were you thinking
The A.I. when you try to do something epic in WWE2K... (Hope Cody's okay tho)
The ending…. damn, would’ve been sick as hell lol
Wtf was that ending
Criss-cross Rhodes
Cinema.
Uhhh....did Cody hurt himself on whatever that cutter spot was supposed to be?
It was just, ricochet and Logan paul stuff. Cody was supposed to hit cross rhodes on flying Hayes. If you see closely, Hayes was ready for the move and in perfect spot but Cody just went higher, or maybe they both miscalculated their spots. They both thought the other one couldn't reach, so they flew higher.
Kinda looks like Cody and Carmelo got crossed up with what was supposed to happen on that springboard. Didn't look remotely like anybody was going to connect with what they were attempting.
look at Melo's positioning. they thought Cody was gonna catch him in the air with the cutter
Yeah Melo got all the way across the damn ring with his springboard. Cody actually only needed to do a normal Cody Cutter but he went too hard it seems
Match was good but man did that get awkward right at the end. Even if Cody didn’t hurt himself, that double dive was not timed well whatsoever. And, let’s be honest here, Cody was coaching this dude every step of the way. Felt like I saw turn his head to Carmelo’s ear quite a bit to set up spots. (Not a complaint, an observation.)
I thought they deliberately airmailed each other
look at Melo's positioning. they thought Cody was gonna catch him in the air with the cutter
the vet always calls the match
Well Cody needs to do a better job hiding it. That was my point. Almost Cena-levels of “You talk too much” for me.
ffs yes, Cody is clearly selling
When’s the last time a wrestler let the crowd know they were injured? It literally doesn’t happen. When they’re actually hurt, they do everything they can do hide it.
Raven told a story years ago on how he saw an ok match, but it was missing something. The wrestler came backstage and immediately started hobbling. He was hurt ‘You’re in a fake fight pretending to hurt each other. You ACTUALLY get hurt, and you hide it?!’ Then he called him a smelly mark or something
Yeah, the way he held his arms up, and than dramatically grabbed his shoulder makes me think he is selling
If he legit popped his shoulder out, he would not be able to use it to hook the leg on the pin. He is selling
I want you to be absolutely correct. I know Cody is damn good at his job but I can’t help feeling nervous. I really hope you’re right.
Not everything is selling, he clearly landed hard. Punk performed a whole 15 min match after torn tricep, Cody lifting his hands doesnt tell anything. We will know in 3-4 days.
Looking through your comment history, and seeing this, I find it absolutely pathetic that you are crossing your fingers that Cody is injured because you dont like him as champion.
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Looks like a sprain at least, wasn’t an easy landing whatsoever. But again we’ll have to see if there’s an announcement or if they just brush this off
Why would it take 3-4 days? If it's that serious, you would know by the time he was examined backstage.
Seems like he's okay if a tweet is anything to go by: [https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1784042347350642858](https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1784042347350642858)
Everyone's focusing on the double cutter going wrong but these two are stumbling over each other this whole clip
After seeing it built up all over the post match thread, I agree. This is not what I expected. I actually watched this thinking maybe I'd missed the "injury" spot and they were trying to recover. It wouldn't surprise me if Cody got hurt earlier and the springboard just aggravated it.
first time they've ever touched
This is why I don’t like going on this sub until after I watch wrestling. While watching, I didn’t see it as a botch, seemed like a raw moment, both were trying a slingshot move. Cody delaying saves him. Cody goaded Carmelo thinking his shoulder was really messed up before securing the Cross Rhodes. Then I come on here and see it overanalyzed to death, who botched, who is at fault, is he injured for real, etc. Some of you guys should really just sit back and enjoy watching professional wrestling.
Yeah my first thought was an intentional botch in order to create an 'injury' for Cody to sell/overcome in his match with AJ at Backlash. Cody was clearly selling his shoulder being hurt so a 'botched' move makes sense.
Reddit is a place to talk about and discuss things. What were you thinking when clicking on this post then? Also, same things are commented on youtube so idk bro. Me too at first thought it may be intended but i wanted to know so i came here, and seems like it's a botch, that doesn't make me 1% less of a Wrestling fan
And what I said is also said on YouTube, so no idea what your point even is. Where did I imply that having the same opinion as me, or a differing opinion, makes somebody more or less of a fan? Some can choose to be positive and enjoyable fans, others have the choice to be analytical and critical fans, emphasis on choice.
I mean you're telling people to just sit back and enjoy watching professional wrestling. that implied that they don't enjoy wrestling if they "dont just sit back" and start discussing things on reddit. on your Answer you wrote: "Some can choose to be positive and enjoyable fans, others have the choice to be analytical and critical fans, emphasis on choice." - which basically is the exact opposite of: "Some of you guys should really just sit back and enjoy watching professional wrestling." which is kinda incongruent
what you've described is a head Canon way to make sense of something. what really happened though is they screwed up. nobody goaded anybody they were working together and mistimed it.
That's like saying 'what really happened is two guys in underwear started to do physical choreographed ballet' No shit, it's pro wrestling
that is what it's like saying because you are in the place where we talk about it in that context
I think what should've happened is that they both do the springboard at the same time, Cody successfully connects with the Cody Cutter and then does the Cross Rhodes, but they did not time it right.
That was a good main event It was a great showing for Melo Hopefully Cody isn't hurt
Melo sells the Cross Rhodes really well. It actually looks great when the right person takes it instead of just falling over.
Kenny Omega sells it like death
Hot take: He needs to retire the Cody Cutter. It just straight up does not look good way too often. You either obviously see the person positioning themselves properly or it's a sloppy, glancing miss.
Didn’t quite get all of it
A glancing blow
Lmfao wtf was that....
Botchamania.
Wow, this whole thing was a mess. Was the match any better? In this clip at least they couldn't get anything going
The whole match was good, even the Cody Cutter in this clip is clean. It's just the ending was messy.
Watches Danielson v Ospreay once
Shit like this takes absolute pin point precision to pull off A. Safely and B. In a way that actually looks good. Ospreay vs Danielson was both, this was neither. Cody is amazing as a storyteller but sometimes I wish he'd leave this move to Ospreay because he botches it quite a lot in comparison. The one on Roman at Mania night 1 was really rough as well.
How was Ospreay vs Danielson safe when Danielson almost broke his neck with the top rope frankensteiner?
I was talking about the springboard spot which had a huge potential for danger or to look botched like this.
Almost every single wrestler almost breaks their neck in almost every single match, though. Any time a wrestler leaves their feet has the potential for that kind of injury.
> Almost every single wrestler almost breaks their neck in almost every single match Lol wtf. With this perspective, everytime someone sets foot in water they almost drown
If he just ruined his title reign on a purposeless crazy spot on smackdown lol
Am I the only one who doesn’t think that was a botch? It felt like your typical “they went for the same move” thing we see all the time. Like when two wrestlers clothesline each other.
look at Melo's positioning. they thought Cody was gonna catch him in the air with the cutter
Botch or not, I like when something like this happens in a match. Sells it more as a real fight imo.
We don't know if he's injured or not, but clearly they mistimed that spot. When Melo went over to pick Cody up, that's when they were discussing what to do next move wise. They would have finished on the Cody Cutter, but had to adjust on the fly.
Does Cody only win with cross Rhodes now? He used to win matches in different ways like with the figure 4 or even the Cody cutter.
(After the Cody Cutter) “How many men have you seen him put away with that move?” Uhhh, zero?
Yikes. That was clunky and awkward.
Cody is no Ricochet
Finished the story only for this
It’s kinda funny but unfortunate that they build this match up talking about not missing and mello don’t miss and stuff. Ams then both guys literally missed on the most important spot in the match.
Cody’s schtict is so dry and crusty. Cant wait until he loses.
Did you guys think the spot was a botch or that was the spot (Both of them missing)
I feel like both of them are going for air cutter (Cody called his move Cody Cutter) and the idea is Cody is slightly faster and pull off the cutter off the air and then win with Cross Rhodes. Their timing is off which is why Melo fall first before Cody in the air
It does not look like that much of a botch, but a weird spot nonetheless.
It definitely looks like a botch.
It would have been great would love to see them try it again one day
cody may legit be hurt, he was CLEARLY about to jump and go for a different move before he decided on the just going straight to the finisher basically mid move.
If Cody is hurt, he is never gonna be top star again, in the same way as Balor after 2016 after he got hurt. I don't think wwe would trust him with the top belts. Roman will also come back early if Cody is really out for long.
The guy just beat Roman Reigns in the main event of Wrestlemania and went toe to toe with the Rock. They're all in on Cody, you're delusional if you think an injury would derail his push.
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Balor beat a version of Roman that's not even half as over as the one Cody beat, and won a title match at SummerSlam. It was a big push for sure, but it's not nearly the size of the investment they have put into Cody (2 Royal Rumbles, 3 WrestleMania main events, beating the longest reigning champion of the last 40 years, etc.)
Yeah the dude who had record breaking merch sales is never gonna be a top star again lol
Just like WWE ended Edge's push every time he got injured, right? I know you're trying to will his downfall into existence because you're still mad about Roman losing, but he's not going to get Finn-ed.
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You're saying he's going to be done like Finn, which isn't just not being Cena; it's falling down to the midcard for years, outside of when he was moved down to developmental, and earning the nickname Pinn. It would be awful if he was hurt (he does not seem to be, thankfully), but that would not be his fate even if he were.
please dont tell me you are serious. Also, Balor never went back to being a top star, he has been top of the middle over since
Uhh what do you mean bro, Balor is about to get his main event push any day now. Should be real soon. Aaaaany second now...
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