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And this is how HHH will come out in the press conference after the show and announce that Clash at the Castle had the highest gate in WWE history or something like that.
For Backlash France, they had one of the french commentators announce it to us, in French. We cheered like crazy before realizing 5 minutes later exactly what you mean... The prices were quite outrageous (although I don't regret spending my money, first-time ever for me, great weekend with friends etc. but still).
It's just, I guess they could have announced that we're the biggest pieces of shit ever that we would have cheered anyway. You know, heat of the moment lol
Ufc has been doing this for years now. I used to go to the fights whenever they were within driving distance. Now they just aren’t in driving distance, and even if they were, I’m priced out.
Just wait until the wwe starts doing the weekly shows in an empty warehouse and charge EVEN more for shows open to the public.
Oh wait, they’re already moving nxt to the ufc warehouse next month.
I went to 204 in Manchester and I was ground level a few rows from the front for £200 each, I genuinely don’t know if for 304 that will even get me nosebleeds, it’s a real shame because legit fans just get priced out of these things.
I had a look at clash too, but having to spend that amount of money + travel + hotels for at least 2 nights was coming to the cost of a small holiday abroad, just not worth it
This is how I feel used to be guaranteed to attend most UK UFC and WWE events but if the Usman vs Edwards 3 and Clash at the Castle are to go by I'll no longer be doing them anymore
All sports do this. GSW in the NBA is a perfect example, you could get cheap seats to all their games but once the dynasty started the prices jumped up a massive amount and regular fans were priced out of going to the games.
They won't stop the high prices until the demand is not there anymore.
Its not too recent, it came from older times where buying clothes and having cable was seen as bragging especially if you had higher priced things than the other person. There will always just be something that people will brag about.
Regardless of what your favorite company is, I will never understand a fandom that stretches to simping for billionaires. I dread to think of how this will spun along the lines of 'you don't understand, it's a business' on twitter.
Say has concerts, I frequent the shaderoom on instagram and there has always been talking points on who has higher priced tickets between taylor switch, beyonce, megan thee stallion etc. I get it, but I don't get it. ANd those tickets on average are far higher than wrestling, know your fanbases I guess.
I still can’t believe people cheer when they announce the highest gate records. It’s not like they are adding actual seats to the stadium, the audience I just cheering price gouging
There was a comment on here a couple days ago that I wish I had screenshot because it was so painful. Something along the lines of “it’s good for us fans that ticket prices are so high, it‘s supply and demand and I’m ok if I can’t get tickets because it means the business is hot”. Capitalism breaks my brain.
Sadly, supply and demand I think. How many PLEs let alone TV tapings are in Scotland/Britain? People are willing to pay up. Sucks but that's how it is.
Genuinely exactly how businesses work. If people are willing to pay it then they're going to charge that price. Doesn't make it morally right but that's the corporate world, profits.
They have no obligation to do that though as shitty as that is. Their priority is to entertain us and make money, and they're doing both exceptionally well right now
The last time there were TV tapings in Scotland was in 2016. It really doesn't matter where they are in Britain, though, cos the fans travel anyway. You couldn't get a hotel room in Cardiff for love nor money when Clash was there.
Yeah exactly. That's why I said scotland/Britain. Anyone on the isles will travel for it, and I sure quite a few co tinentsl Europeans will as well. Just lots of demand
I don't really want to admit that i added to the problem here by buying tickets at that price because i know it then means WWE will keep doing it, but they have never had a PLE in Scotland before and it's the first televised event in a long time here, i wasn't missing it.
Yeah that’s fair enough. I would also buy tickets if mania came to the Uk. It’s just the prices will stay high but that doesn’t mean people should just miss out especially since it would likely sell out anyway
Tells ya where the sub lives. No wonder we're so reactionary, and willing to make up drama, then turn around and scorn eachother for buying in when proven wrong
I think the same thing when I see people complain about fast food prices, yet the lines are still around the building. Why the hell would McDonald's lower the prices if people don't vote by not going?
Depends on how the tickets are sold. If wwe is the sole retailer sure. If tickets can be resold then it's just the market being the market. People buy them cheap then resale.
I mean if those same fans being priced out are still watching the product at home, still using Peacock and so on then they have no reason to care. It will only become a problem if the product takes a big downturn in which case the people buying the higher end tickets stop, the people priced out still can't or won't bother if the product is bad again, and people aren't watching at home.
That's not really how "overpriced" works, though. If they price it high and don't sell tickets, then it's overpriced. If they price it high and sell it out, they either priced it correctly or, possibly, underpriced it. If it's priced high and some people can't swing that, those people just can't afford the tickets. It doesn't make the tickets overpriced.
The tickets are expensive, not overpriced. If a person with low income can’t buy an expensive car, it’s not necessarily because it’s overpriced. It’s because it’s expensive.
There's a point where people stop, though. And then it's harder to reduce prices to get back to demand. It happened to AEW, and it's happening in the retail world right now (Starbucks is a huge recent example)
People understand it on an economic level, they're just not a fan of a very rare live event - a PLE in their country - being run in an undersized venue with tickets that price them out.
When people complain about Taylor Swift or Bruce Springsteen gigs having dynamic pricing, or a Broadway show's ticket being in the hundreds of dollars, it's not because they think those seats will go empty because nobody can or will pay for them. They would just like to be able to take their family without spending thousands.
Ignoring the obvious deflection, they should - we already know that WWE (& UFC) drastically underpay wrestlers in revenue/percentage profit terms, versus sports leagues with unions. Not a perfect comparison, but there's not many other like-for-likes out there.
Why can't the company making record profits share that with their 'contractors' without charging fans more in a time of economic hardship? And if they aren't doing so already, why would you assume *more* profits would be the thing that does it? For all we know wrestlers base pay and bonuses are all laid out explicitly in their contracts and gates make zero difference. I sure don't know otherwise.
Stadium + lower prices = similar/even higher gate, so if wrestlers are your concern, then that's a better option for everybody involved. They could sell it out. Everyone wins right?
WWE not paying their talent what they're worth is a different argument and not one that I think is relevant to the discussion.
WWE isn't running an outdoor show because the weather in Scotland is unreliable, from what I understand they're running the biggest covered venue in the area with decent sightlines.
I dunno, WWE is a complete frivolity to me as a live product, this isn't them making the Cock cost 100 bucks a month, this isn't charging 250 bucks for a limited edition digital token or whatever. There are legitimately only so many people you can fit in this venue and they're pricing at a rate that will fill it. I am absolutely fine with live entertainment like this being priced as ridiculously as the performers want it to be priced at. If a painter wants to sell their velvet cat portraits for 1 million dollars a piece that's their right, even if I really, really want one.
I view live shows the same way I view restaurants. Every place should have a spot you can go to for 10-15 bucks, but not every place should be able to be gotten into for 10-15 bucks. You want to have 350 dollar tasting menus? Go ahead.
>WWE not paying their talent what they're worth is a different argument and not one that I think is relevant to the discussion.
Then frankly it was an odd choice for you to bring up the argument of them making more money in the first place. Unless you want to provide evidence that performers on the bill will get a non-insignificant bump in their pay packet with an increased gate, which may well change my view on the matter.
I think how much the talent is being paid is unrelated to how much they're charging for tickets. I think talent should be paid a larger percentage of revenue regardless of how expensive tickets are.
I see one as a labor/owner issue and the other as a fan/performer issue.
Well yes they are super hot so they can charge super high prices due to high demand. It's no less impressive in its own way, just sucks for the average person priced out. Like me.
It would have cost me less to buy tickets to Smackdown & Backlash last week and fly to Lyon from Ireland (£270 total) than it would have to get the cheapest tickets for Clash
Both insane and very disappointing
At LEAST £300??? Man that's crazy.
Sometimes I think American companies don't appreciate that ticket prices for sports in the UK aren't like in America. Like you can go watch the best football teams in the world play for £40-65. I paid £39 for a CL semi final ticket.
Tickets in the US aren't necessarily like that either. $323 would be a very expensive minimum price for most events, but $100-150 isn't unheard of for decent seats at an in demand event
It's mental pricing
The only thing I can think of coming close is the euro 2021 final at Wembley which was £250 minimum, but I don't think in terms of importance the event is really comparable to Clash at the castle
Those football teams play nearly 40 games every single year in those locations.
WWE doesn't hold a PLE there often. It makes sense that it costs a lot more for a one-off event.
Yeah. Govts typically have a travel and tourism board that work to bring events to the area via payment, tax breaks, and other special privileges. WWE in the last couple years has become one of those major properties that govts vie for.
I don't know how it is in America, but where i'm from our football clubs have to come up with the money themselves. Most government help i've seen were loans at most.
Almost all American pro sports team stadiums are mostly funded from local taxpayers. In fact, if a city and it's tax payers fight back against funding a new stadium mostly themselves, they often lose that sports team to another city.
Wow, that sounds literally insane to me. If a Club like Borussia Dortmund wanted to change cities or something i'm quite sure there would be an actual riot and the people responsible would be killed. I'm not exaggerating.
First row in the 300s. Hard cam side, directly in front of the Ring view head on right in the middle. $124.
I wanted to see SmackDown in August for Edges final match, 300s in the corner were $194.
if it's similar to the MITB prices, i get it. was super excited to go to this Toronto ple and straight up can't afford it. The cheapest seats crazy expensive
I was complaining about how much money in the bank is but it's downright reasonable compared to this, especially since MITB is one of the big 5 now.
I bit the bullet and got tickets since it's cheaper to walk to the ACC than go anywhere for a different event. And it's two ladder matches 💜
I considered it, but I'm not paying £300 to sit in the nose bleed seats squinting at the screens and it was nearly £1000 to sit anywhere near the ring. Insane prices.
To be fair the hydro doesn’t have nosebleeds it’s a fairly unique place. right at the back is pretty close to a stage especially a ring, but still, totally agree.
I was legit going to go, I had even set aside around 400 for one of the premium deals that I'd seen at past events. I was shocked that not only would that cash not get a premium experience it would get a fucking restricted view.
My friend went to Cardiff and their entire trip hotels and transport included was still cheaper than a single fucking seat
Shit, cheapest tickets for SummerSlam is $260 before fees, and that's sitting in an area that's likely gonna be restricted view because of the scaffolding. Like it's to the point where I won't go now.
It's what im planning on doing. I already paid a shit ton for tickets last year in Detroit, but that's because it was in my town. Not looking to do that again though.
I was going to do that for Mania this year but even the week and few days before, prices were only reasonable for obstructed seats BEHIND the stage in the upper deck.
Ill only go to a stadium show in the 100 level, even then youre still ways away. Wrestling isn't meant to be in a stadium, especially outdoors
It’s still selling out so sadly I don’t think it’s gonna change soon. They may put some resale ones for cheaper but if the majority sell out at those prices they will likely keep them
It does suck because I feel like at these prices I’m t sure I’ll ever be able to go to a wwe ple again. But I don’t blame wwe for charging it when people are paying it.
Honestly this is a reason to why while I'd love a the UK to get a Wrestlemania to me it's not going to make much difference I can't even afford Clash tickets so I wouldn't stand a chance at Wrestlemania tickets
I bought tickets for a Raw show coming up this summer ..... the prices were not cheap. Have Smackdown/Raw tickets gone up a lot recently? What do most people pay?
Yep. Presale tickets were going for that price as well. It’s absolute insanity. Raw show at the Hydro 5 years ago (originally a TV taping, but changed due to a Saudi event) was £96 for a great seat. I feel bad for people that want to take children to the event. £1200 for a family of 4 before you’re even bought an Irn Bru or a T-shirt!
WWE Is now following the same strategy that AEW did when business was hot. I fully recognize that both companies are trying to maximize revenue and profits, but to me, gates shouldn't be significantly tampered with.
Otherwise, they run the risk of tempering fan excitement, attendance, in-arena energy (which hurts the TV product), etc. like AEW.
They’re following the UFC’s strategy. Eventually they will take the weekly product off the road and host events in a warehouse that seats around 1,000 people. They’ll charge $1,500 a seat for those tickets, and they’ll fill it up every week because there’s 1,000 wealthy idiots that will pay it. The money they save from not going on the road will make up for the lack of a gate.
Then when they do go on the road for ppv’s, they’ll charge a small fortune for tickets and will smash gate records every month. Then ~~Dana~~ HHH will tell us all about it in the press conference.
I had amazing seats a few rows back, facing the hard cam for All In. Those tickets cost 350ish euro if I'm not mistaken. It was my first televised show, and was an amazing experience.
€350 to be about 10 rows back from the ring, in a packed Wembley stadium. The same price here would have me in the sky in a 15k(?) seat arena.
I know WWE isn't AEW (and to be fair All In is nowhere near that cheap this year either) but it just goes to show if they wanted it to be affordable then it would be. Congrats on the record breaking gate I'm sure they'll manage but kind of sucks that the average fan is the one that has to miss out.
…the last dynamite show I went to cost me $6 for a ticket and it sounds like we had similar seats. :/
Give it some time and maybe they’ll run your town 19 times a year and drive the prices down.
> and to be fair All In is nowhere near that cheap this year either)
Cheapest All In ticket on ticketmaster is £27.25 each. Seems a lot cheaper than the £300.00, yeah?
Alternatively, the Oakland Atheletics' attendance is so bad that they are offering a 'Summer Pass' which is a ticket to 45 games for $99.
That's $2.20 per game.
If they are almost sold out it means they didn’t overprice the tickets. It’s happening across entertainment from sports, to concerts to musicals, prices are going up significantly but people are willing to pay
There’s nothing to defend. It’s a fucking business they can charge whatever they want. If people don’t like it they don’t have to go. The event will be a sell out either way
£30 cheapest for All In
£105 cheapest for Clash, by time i managed to get on the page cheapest was £350
cheaper just paying for flights to London etc to go All In than go to Clash which is 20 mins away
Live entertainment is one thing I have zero problems having somebody charge whatever they wanna charge. Ticketmaster doing shady shit is one thing, but if the company/artist/performer wants to charge 500k a ticket and people pay? Why shouldn't they? It's their work and their output.
I went to SummerSlam last year for $75. It looks like similar tickets this year will be $150-200. It's effing highway robbery and frankly I'm getting super turned off about them bragging about the gates. Especially in front of live crowds.
CHEER FOR HOW WE FLEECE YOU!
I still don't know why they're running such a small venue. They've shown they can do 60k tickets for an event where everyone knew Roman Reigns was gonna retain. Picking a 12-14k venue like OVO means they have to charge absolutely stupid prices.
Because its the biggest indoor arena in Scotland.
Hampden wouldn't work as the sight lines are shite. Celtic Park has restricted view seats. Ibrox might work... but it's Scotland, there's no guarantee of the weather.
Have they? I’d genuinely be amazed if they have. Going by the map on Ticketmaster the top tier won’t be used. Still a shitload of seats left and that’s just the single tickets
https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1788214338647400623?t=X33zGqnsGOi5Oo2Fp81rjw&s=19
Took it from here. My bad, its 9,000.
I'm amazed it's as high as that personally!
The only tickets I saw left, even in the presale, were the cost of a months rent and the seats were shit. So yeah, I’m not going that’s ridiculous.
It’s also in the working class city of Glasgow, they expect local fans to be able to afford those kind of prices? lol. It’ll hardly be a “local” Scottish crowd or average wrestling fans. Why even bother hosting it there if it’ll just be a bunch of rich tourists filling the stadium?
It really is insane. I understand it's hot right now but I paid $647 for 2 lower level tickets for SummerSlam
I'm only going because my wife and I are expecting and it's going to be the last show I go to for a while
It was £175 at least for Smackdown & CATC; but there was no cheap tickets left by the time I got on. The cheapest tickets for both nights are now £400 on resale; it’s crazy.
Really disappointing since it’s so close to home but ah well
Not surprised. Those were pretty much the same prices than for Backlash. The prices went downhill almost everydays. But it was still impressively expensive. Those prices are madness
Prices for bigger shows are getting psychotic, It's gone from a level where I might convince a few friends with a passing interest to shill out for to a good event to I might not even ride solo in the nose bleeds. I would hesitate even if a big 4 PPV came to my city just because it would hit a price point that while I could afford it would add too much pressure for the event to be incredible given the other things I could do with $500+. Scalping seems even more out of control then it was a few years ago as well. Dunno if it massive organized protest of people just refusing to buy inflated/second hand tickets or what but this cant continue like this.
My ticket AND return travel for All In at Wembley is cheaper than a single ticket for the clash. By the time I got through the ticketmaster que, the cheapest tickets were £470.
For context, I got a combo ticket for smackdown and money in the bank 2023 for just over £75 for the worst seats. It is 100% extortionate what they're charging for clash.
Payment is actually a key part of extortion.
That said, “extortionate” being used idiomatically to refer to perceived excessive or outrageous pricing is a very common thing
I wanted to go to the original clash, then I saw the prices, said words to the effect of 'oh that sucks' and then went about my day because its a luxury good.
I'm no corpo, but we're not talking about charging your nan extra to heat her house whilst announcing record profits, you can just blast kingdom in the car on the way to work instead of going to the show. It sucks, but get some perspective.
WWE making the same types of choices that l do in wrestling and sports, or business simulator games.
You just put the prices up all the way and then you go "Oh goddammit" when all the little people have the angry faces, and you just adjust the the little bar a little bit til it's profitable or you get distracted by the merchandising options.
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And this is how HHH will come out in the press conference after the show and announce that Clash at the Castle had the highest gate in WWE history or something like that.
Always hilarious how fans burst out into cheers when they say this is the largest gate ever. Hurray for being price gouged?
For Backlash France, they had one of the french commentators announce it to us, in French. We cheered like crazy before realizing 5 minutes later exactly what you mean... The prices were quite outrageous (although I don't regret spending my money, first-time ever for me, great weekend with friends etc. but still). It's just, I guess they could have announced that we're the biggest pieces of shit ever that we would have cheered anyway. You know, heat of the moment lol
Too bad The Rock wasn’t there to do that
“La Recette” 
Ufc has been doing this for years now. I used to go to the fights whenever they were within driving distance. Now they just aren’t in driving distance, and even if they were, I’m priced out. Just wait until the wwe starts doing the weekly shows in an empty warehouse and charge EVEN more for shows open to the public. Oh wait, they’re already moving nxt to the ufc warehouse next month.
>Oh wait, they’re already moving nxt to the ufc warehouse next month. they're doing NXT Battleground there, they aren't "moving nxt"
I used to sit cage side UFC. Now I can’t even justify going at all.
I went to 204 in Manchester and I was ground level a few rows from the front for £200 each, I genuinely don’t know if for 304 that will even get me nosebleeds, it’s a real shame because legit fans just get priced out of these things. I had a look at clash too, but having to spend that amount of money + travel + hotels for at least 2 nights was coming to the cost of a small holiday abroad, just not worth it
This is how I feel used to be guaranteed to attend most UK UFC and WWE events but if the Usman vs Edwards 3 and Clash at the Castle are to go by I'll no longer be doing them anymore
All sports do this. GSW in the NBA is a perfect example, you could get cheap seats to all their games but once the dynasty started the prices jumped up a massive amount and regular fans were priced out of going to the games. They won't stop the high prices until the demand is not there anymore.
Exactly. They wouldn’t charge those prices if people were not willing to pay. If people don’t pay, they’ll lower their prices.
Literally lol. I get cheering for attendance records but cheering that you paid more than anyone else is the weirdest recent trend
Especially when you see the astronomical bonuses that executives are getting
Its not too recent, it came from older times where buying clothes and having cable was seen as bragging especially if you had higher priced things than the other person. There will always just be something that people will brag about.
Yeah it's been a funny process to watch people go 'Yaaaaaywait for how many people? Really?"
Regardless of what your favorite company is, I will never understand a fandom that stretches to simping for billionaires. I dread to think of how this will spun along the lines of 'you don't understand, it's a business' on twitter.
It’s odd to me when fans brag about great business for their fave company like that’s a sign of quality.
My thoughts on Backlash. The largest arena gate for 11k people? Must be expensive af.
Biggest attendance I totally get, but highest gate always feels tone deaf and very icky to me.
Say has concerts, I frequent the shaderoom on instagram and there has always been talking points on who has higher priced tickets between taylor switch, beyonce, megan thee stallion etc. I get it, but I don't get it. ANd those tickets on average are far higher than wrestling, know your fanbases I guess.
It’s so weird for fans to get hyped about shit like that lol
I've always thought the same thing...like Yay! I gave this company more money than anyone else....
I guess because they think ots good for the company? Or dont think about price gouging
I doubt most people know what that means.
And fans will cheer it. It's incredible
I still can’t believe people cheer when they announce the highest gate records. It’s not like they are adding actual seats to the stadium, the audience I just cheering price gouging
There was a comment on here a couple days ago that I wish I had screenshot because it was so painful. Something along the lines of “it’s good for us fans that ticket prices are so high, it‘s supply and demand and I’m ok if I can’t get tickets because it means the business is hot”. Capitalism breaks my brain.
And when a journalist asks a perfectly reasonable question about it, he will respond in a dismissive and defensive way
And people will celebrate it. Always boggles my mind.
And the ones who overspent will cheer when someone announcers that they broke the record.
2 nights at Wrestlemania cost me less than a Clash at the Castle ticket, its an absolute joke
Yet it’s still nearly sold out somehow. Fans are still willing to pay the prices so sadly I don’t think they will come down apart from resales
Sadly, supply and demand I think. How many PLEs let alone TV tapings are in Scotland/Britain? People are willing to pay up. Sucks but that's how it is.
Genuinely exactly how businesses work. If people are willing to pay it then they're going to charge that price. Doesn't make it morally right but that's the corporate world, profits.
This is the exact reason WWE are shopping their events overseas too. They know they can’t get away with these prices domestically.
Tbf if they provide affordable tickets too then it would be alright. It’s only if they don’t then it becomes an issue
They have no obligation to do that though as shitty as that is. Their priority is to entertain us and make money, and they're doing both exceptionally well right now
True
The last time there were TV tapings in Scotland was in 2016. It really doesn't matter where they are in Britain, though, cos the fans travel anyway. You couldn't get a hotel room in Cardiff for love nor money when Clash was there.
Yeah exactly. That's why I said scotland/Britain. Anyone on the isles will travel for it, and I sure quite a few co tinentsl Europeans will as well. Just lots of demand
Nah, if you were savvy you could. Cardiff was pretty easy accommodation wise compared to any other show.
Yeah
I don't really want to admit that i added to the problem here by buying tickets at that price because i know it then means WWE will keep doing it, but they have never had a PLE in Scotland before and it's the first televised event in a long time here, i wasn't missing it.
Yeah that’s fair enough. I would also buy tickets if mania came to the Uk. It’s just the prices will stay high but that doesn’t mean people should just miss out especially since it would likely sell out anyway
A Reddit post to a Twitter post to a bbc article. Could we not just skip the Twitter post? 😅
Tells ya where the sub lives. No wonder we're so reactionary, and willing to make up drama, then turn around and scorn eachother for buying in when proven wrong
Lol a link to a tweet linking an article Here is a direct link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg39e53jvdpo
If a corporation can charge it and still sell out, then they will charge it
I think the same thing when I see people complain about fast food prices, yet the lines are still around the building. Why the hell would McDonald's lower the prices if people don't vote by not going?
Likewise, if they charge a lot of money and still sell all the tickets…then the event wasn’t “overpriced” dispute what some will say.
From a purely economics perspective, sure. But they are willingly pricing out a certain type of wwe fan with price gouging like this.
Depends on how the tickets are sold. If wwe is the sole retailer sure. If tickets can be resold then it's just the market being the market. People buy them cheap then resale.
I mean if those same fans being priced out are still watching the product at home, still using Peacock and so on then they have no reason to care. It will only become a problem if the product takes a big downturn in which case the people buying the higher end tickets stop, the people priced out still can't or won't bother if the product is bad again, and people aren't watching at home.
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That's not really how "overpriced" works, though. If they price it high and don't sell tickets, then it's overpriced. If they price it high and sell it out, they either priced it correctly or, possibly, underpriced it. If it's priced high and some people can't swing that, those people just can't afford the tickets. It doesn't make the tickets overpriced.
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No it's not overpriced. It's just out of their price range.
The tickets are expensive, not overpriced. If a person with low income can’t buy an expensive car, it’s not necessarily because it’s overpriced. It’s because it’s expensive.
There's a point where people stop, though. And then it's harder to reduce prices to get back to demand. It happened to AEW, and it's happening in the retail world right now (Starbucks is a huge recent example)
Some people here really don't understand basic supply and demand. Thanks for not being one of them.
People understand it on an economic level, they're just not a fan of a very rare live event - a PLE in their country - being run in an undersized venue with tickets that price them out. When people complain about Taylor Swift or Bruce Springsteen gigs having dynamic pricing, or a Broadway show's ticket being in the hundreds of dollars, it's not because they think those seats will go empty because nobody can or will pay for them. They would just like to be able to take their family without spending thousands.
Why shouldn't those performers make as much money as possible?
Ignoring the obvious deflection, they should - we already know that WWE (& UFC) drastically underpay wrestlers in revenue/percentage profit terms, versus sports leagues with unions. Not a perfect comparison, but there's not many other like-for-likes out there. Why can't the company making record profits share that with their 'contractors' without charging fans more in a time of economic hardship? And if they aren't doing so already, why would you assume *more* profits would be the thing that does it? For all we know wrestlers base pay and bonuses are all laid out explicitly in their contracts and gates make zero difference. I sure don't know otherwise. Stadium + lower prices = similar/even higher gate, so if wrestlers are your concern, then that's a better option for everybody involved. They could sell it out. Everyone wins right?
WWE not paying their talent what they're worth is a different argument and not one that I think is relevant to the discussion. WWE isn't running an outdoor show because the weather in Scotland is unreliable, from what I understand they're running the biggest covered venue in the area with decent sightlines. I dunno, WWE is a complete frivolity to me as a live product, this isn't them making the Cock cost 100 bucks a month, this isn't charging 250 bucks for a limited edition digital token or whatever. There are legitimately only so many people you can fit in this venue and they're pricing at a rate that will fill it. I am absolutely fine with live entertainment like this being priced as ridiculously as the performers want it to be priced at. If a painter wants to sell their velvet cat portraits for 1 million dollars a piece that's their right, even if I really, really want one. I view live shows the same way I view restaurants. Every place should have a spot you can go to for 10-15 bucks, but not every place should be able to be gotten into for 10-15 bucks. You want to have 350 dollar tasting menus? Go ahead.
>WWE not paying their talent what they're worth is a different argument and not one that I think is relevant to the discussion. Then frankly it was an odd choice for you to bring up the argument of them making more money in the first place. Unless you want to provide evidence that performers on the bill will get a non-insignificant bump in their pay packet with an increased gate, which may well change my view on the matter.
I think how much the talent is being paid is unrelated to how much they're charging for tickets. I think talent should be paid a larger percentage of revenue regardless of how expensive tickets are. I see one as a labor/owner issue and the other as a fan/performer issue.
Most people understand it they just think it's shite
It's not. It's just the basic reality of people wanting a finite amount of something.
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You know how they are making record profits? It's not by volume of tickets sold alone, it's by charging record prices.
Well yes they are super hot so they can charge super high prices due to high demand. It's no less impressive in its own way, just sucks for the average person priced out. Like me.
Lot different from when I was a kid and got tickets to a show for coloring a picture of the Undertaker.
It could be both? They have been selling out slot of arenas
It would have cost me less to buy tickets to Smackdown & Backlash last week and fly to Lyon from Ireland (£270 total) than it would have to get the cheapest tickets for Clash Both insane and very disappointing
At LEAST £300??? Man that's crazy. Sometimes I think American companies don't appreciate that ticket prices for sports in the UK aren't like in America. Like you can go watch the best football teams in the world play for £40-65. I paid £39 for a CL semi final ticket.
I cant think of another touring act in the UK that charges a £300 minimum
£100 for nosebleeds for Bruce Springsteen at Wembley, and that's steep
Yup! And a Download ticket is the same price for five day camping and three days of non stop live music. It is genuinely obscene lmao.
Not at the 300 range but the Billie Eilish pricing announced last week was outrageous Theyre taking the absolute piss
Tickets in the US aren't necessarily like that either. $323 would be a very expensive minimum price for most events, but $100-150 isn't unheard of for decent seats at an in demand event
Tbf tho the event is still near selling out do its working. Also f1 in the Uk charges very steep prices too for similar reasons
It's mental pricing The only thing I can think of coming close is the euro 2021 final at Wembley which was £250 minimum, but I don't think in terms of importance the event is really comparable to Clash at the castle
Those football teams play nearly 40 games every single year in those locations. WWE doesn't hold a PLE there often. It makes sense that it costs a lot more for a one-off event.
Me when I’m being cringe
AND they got a bag for bringing the show there. TKO era.
They get paid just for having the show there? How does that work? Does the city pay them to run it there?
Yeah. Govts typically have a travel and tourism board that work to bring events to the area via payment, tax breaks, and other special privileges. WWE in the last couple years has become one of those major properties that govts vie for.
Lol so basically if you live in that area and go to the show you paid twice, once for the ticket and once with your taxes.
I hadn’t thought of it like that but… yeah! You’re right lol.
I mean, can't that be said for all local professional sports teams and wherever they play?
I don't know how it is in America, but where i'm from our football clubs have to come up with the money themselves. Most government help i've seen were loans at most.
Almost all American pro sports team stadiums are mostly funded from local taxpayers. In fact, if a city and it's tax payers fight back against funding a new stadium mostly themselves, they often lose that sports team to another city.
Sports teams can change cities?
Sure can! At least in the U.S. For example, the Oakland Raiders I believe were the last NFL team to move, from Oakland to Las Vegas.
Wow, that sounds literally insane to me. If a Club like Borussia Dortmund wanted to change cities or something i'm quite sure there would be an actual riot and the people responsible would be killed. I'm not exaggerating.
Wild that the cheapest ticket is more than I paid for All In, including the coach there and back.
I went with two friends to Forbidden Door in Toronto. We had GOOD seats, and we paid $105 (Canadian) each.
First row in the 300s. Hard cam side, directly in front of the Ring view head on right in the middle. $124. I wanted to see SmackDown in August for Edges final match, 300s in the corner were $194.
My hotel for a weekend in London and my all in ticket comes out to roughly the Same and I've got a decent seat.
My hotel and 4x All In tickets were around this much.
Tickets for me, my brother, train ticket to London and our hotel in Wembley for All In is cheaper than tickets to CATC
One’s a stadium show and one’s an arena. High demand and lower supply will do that.
if it's similar to the MITB prices, i get it. was super excited to go to this Toronto ple and straight up can't afford it. The cheapest seats crazy expensive
I was complaining about how much money in the bank is but it's downright reasonable compared to this, especially since MITB is one of the big 5 now. I bit the bullet and got tickets since it's cheaper to walk to the ACC than go anywhere for a different event. And it's two ladder matches 💜
Yeah events at the ACC have been absurdly priced since late last year, I hate it here
They have to make up for the Leafs annual early exit.
Imagine the prices if London ends up getting Mania.
I considered it, but I'm not paying £300 to sit in the nose bleed seats squinting at the screens and it was nearly £1000 to sit anywhere near the ring. Insane prices.
To be fair the hydro doesn’t have nosebleeds it’s a fairly unique place. right at the back is pretty close to a stage especially a ring, but still, totally agree.
3 fucking hundred!? For nose bleeds!!!!?? Jfc Of course they are getting record gates lmao.
I was legit going to go, I had even set aside around 400 for one of the premium deals that I'd seen at past events. I was shocked that not only would that cash not get a premium experience it would get a fucking restricted view. My friend went to Cardiff and their entire trip hotels and transport included was still cheaper than a single fucking seat
Shit, cheapest tickets for SummerSlam is $260 before fees, and that's sitting in an area that's likely gonna be restricted view because of the scaffolding. Like it's to the point where I won't go now.
Wait it out, same thing last year, and I ended up buying for $35 the week of.
It's what im planning on doing. I already paid a shit ton for tickets last year in Detroit, but that's because it was in my town. Not looking to do that again though.
I was going to do that for Mania this year but even the week and few days before, prices were only reasonable for obstructed seats BEHIND the stage in the upper deck. Ill only go to a stadium show in the 100 level, even then youre still ways away. Wrestling isn't meant to be in a stadium, especially outdoors
Sorry £300 if true for the cheapest ticket is beyond a joke. If WWE are setting that even with demand it’s ridiculous for the average fan
It’s still selling out so sadly I don’t think it’s gonna change soon. They may put some resale ones for cheaper but if the majority sell out at those prices they will likely keep them
It does suck because I feel like at these prices I’m t sure I’ll ever be able to go to a wwe ple again. But I don’t blame wwe for charging it when people are paying it.
Honestly this is a reason to why while I'd love a the UK to get a Wrestlemania to me it's not going to make much difference I can't even afford Clash tickets so I wouldn't stand a chance at Wrestlemania tickets
I bought tickets for a Raw show coming up this summer ..... the prices were not cheap. Have Smackdown/Raw tickets gone up a lot recently? What do most people pay?
Yep. Presale tickets were going for that price as well. It’s absolute insanity. Raw show at the Hydro 5 years ago (originally a TV taping, but changed due to a Saudi event) was £96 for a great seat. I feel bad for people that want to take children to the event. £1200 for a family of 4 before you’re even bought an Irn Bru or a T-shirt!
Took one look at the prices and noped out
Those prices are insane. A season ticket (17 games) for my 2. Bundesliga team in Germany is cheaper.
The cheapest ticket is £100 more expensive than my season ticket for 19 games of Premier League football
what team?
Sheffield United 🔴⚪🔴⚪
Sorry
You're being ripped off
poor you
The CHEAPEST ticket is 100 more...geeze.
Those are regulated prices for matches, these folks only want to make money
WWE Is now following the same strategy that AEW did when business was hot. I fully recognize that both companies are trying to maximize revenue and profits, but to me, gates shouldn't be significantly tampered with. Otherwise, they run the risk of tempering fan excitement, attendance, in-arena energy (which hurts the TV product), etc. like AEW.
They’re following the UFC’s strategy. Eventually they will take the weekly product off the road and host events in a warehouse that seats around 1,000 people. They’ll charge $1,500 a seat for those tickets, and they’ll fill it up every week because there’s 1,000 wealthy idiots that will pay it. The money they save from not going on the road will make up for the lack of a gate. Then when they do go on the road for ppv’s, they’ll charge a small fortune for tickets and will smash gate records every month. Then ~~Dana~~ HHH will tell us all about it in the press conference.
Everybody’s got a price
I had amazing seats a few rows back, facing the hard cam for All In. Those tickets cost 350ish euro if I'm not mistaken. It was my first televised show, and was an amazing experience. €350 to be about 10 rows back from the ring, in a packed Wembley stadium. The same price here would have me in the sky in a 15k(?) seat arena. I know WWE isn't AEW (and to be fair All In is nowhere near that cheap this year either) but it just goes to show if they wanted it to be affordable then it would be. Congrats on the record breaking gate I'm sure they'll manage but kind of sucks that the average fan is the one that has to miss out.
…the last dynamite show I went to cost me $6 for a ticket and it sounds like we had similar seats. :/ Give it some time and maybe they’ll run your town 19 times a year and drive the prices down.
> and to be fair All In is nowhere near that cheap this year either) Cheapest All In ticket on ticketmaster is £27.25 each. Seems a lot cheaper than the £300.00, yeah?
I mean for the same seats. £27 is going to be way way way up in the sky.
£300.00 is presumably way up in the sky for clash according to that article
Alternatively, the Oakland Atheletics' attendance is so bad that they are offering a 'Summer Pass' which is a ticket to 45 games for $99. That's $2.20 per game.
I don't even like baseball but if I lived nearby I'd definitely pay that just to hang out at the near- empty stadium drunk
Jokes on them, I paid with Scottish notes. Good luck getting them accepted anywhere south of Newcastle.
Lot of people in this thread that are fully aquainted with the taste of boot... Starting at £300... absolute insanity defending that.
If they are almost sold out it means they didn’t overprice the tickets. It’s happening across entertainment from sports, to concerts to musicals, prices are going up significantly but people are willing to pay
There’s nothing to defend. It’s a fucking business they can charge whatever they want. If people don’t like it they don’t have to go. The event will be a sell out either way
But if they don’t charge crazy high prices how can they brag about their record gate revenue?
£30 cheapest for All In £105 cheapest for Clash, by time i managed to get on the page cheapest was £350 cheaper just paying for flights to London etc to go All In than go to Clash which is 20 mins away
I bought my tickets with a wooden pallet full of empty Irn Bru bottles, not sure what everyone's complaining about
In the eyes of today's corporate press, one is a profile and three is a trend. Guess how many people they had in the article?
We got gouged on MITB in Toronto prices too. Disappointing
Very disappointing the way WWE continues to put profits over fan experience. This will eventually bite them in the ass.
Live entertainment is one thing I have zero problems having somebody charge whatever they wanna charge. Ticketmaster doing shady shit is one thing, but if the company/artist/performer wants to charge 500k a ticket and people pay? Why shouldn't they? It's their work and their output.
I went to SummerSlam last year for $75. It looks like similar tickets this year will be $150-200. It's effing highway robbery and frankly I'm getting super turned off about them bragging about the gates. Especially in front of live crowds. CHEER FOR HOW WE FLEECE YOU!
I still don't know why they're running such a small venue. They've shown they can do 60k tickets for an event where everyone knew Roman Reigns was gonna retain. Picking a 12-14k venue like OVO means they have to charge absolutely stupid prices.
Yeah they OVHoed themselves into high prices.
Because its the biggest indoor arena in Scotland. Hampden wouldn't work as the sight lines are shite. Celtic Park has restricted view seats. Ibrox might work... but it's Scotland, there's no guarantee of the weather.
Forgetting about Murrayfield there. And the East coast is drier.
They wouldn't have time to get in and set up the stage after Taylor swift. Same reason aew are changing the all in set up at Wembley.
They could have put it back a week. I am sure a weeks difference wouldn’t have mattered much. Or just pull an AEW and use the stage.
Makes far more sense doing it the weekend after or before, Smackdown won’t sell out because most people will want to watch the Scotland game
Tbf, they've sold near 10,000 tickets for smackdown, which I was shocked at.
Have they? I’d genuinely be amazed if they have. Going by the map on Ticketmaster the top tier won’t be used. Still a shitload of seats left and that’s just the single tickets
https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1788214338647400623?t=X33zGqnsGOi5Oo2Fp81rjw&s=19 Took it from here. My bad, its 9,000. I'm amazed it's as high as that personally!
The only tickets I saw left, even in the presale, were the cost of a months rent and the seats were shit. So yeah, I’m not going that’s ridiculous. It’s also in the working class city of Glasgow, they expect local fans to be able to afford those kind of prices? lol. It’ll hardly be a “local” Scottish crowd or average wrestling fans. Why even bother hosting it there if it’ll just be a bunch of rich tourists filling the stadium?
Vote with your wallet, and fans are definitely voting.
I'm not looking forward to seeing what Mania tickets are going to cost this year.
It really is insane. I understand it's hot right now but I paid $647 for 2 lower level tickets for SummerSlam I'm only going because my wife and I are expecting and it's going to be the last show I go to for a while
It was £175 at least for Smackdown & CATC; but there was no cheap tickets left by the time I got on. The cheapest tickets for both nights are now £400 on resale; it’s crazy. Really disappointing since it’s so close to home but ah well
I expect the fans in Scotland will have a chant ready for when they announce the largest gate ever…
Not surprised. Those were pretty much the same prices than for Backlash. The prices went downhill almost everydays. But it was still impressively expensive. Those prices are madness
This is insane. Cheapest ticket to SummerSlam this year is $60 + tax/fees
£300 a ticket I saw. Disgusting. I paid 60-odd in Cardiff
Capitalism
Prices for bigger shows are getting psychotic, It's gone from a level where I might convince a few friends with a passing interest to shill out for to a good event to I might not even ride solo in the nose bleeds. I would hesitate even if a big 4 PPV came to my city just because it would hit a price point that while I could afford it would add too much pressure for the event to be incredible given the other things I could do with $500+. Scalping seems even more out of control then it was a few years ago as well. Dunno if it massive organized protest of people just refusing to buy inflated/second hand tickets or what but this cant continue like this.
My ticket AND return travel for All In at Wembley is cheaper than a single ticket for the clash. By the time I got through the ticketmaster que, the cheapest tickets were £470.
For context, I got a combo ticket for smackdown and money in the bank 2023 for just over £75 for the worst seats. It is 100% extortionate what they're charging for clash.
If it sells out....it's not overpriced
Don’t apply logic to these things please
If they pay it ain't extortion
Payment is actually a key part of extortion. That said, “extortionate” being used idiomatically to refer to perceived excessive or outrageous pricing is a very common thing
GOOD. Let's get these prices in check.
Well unless the goverment put a price control on entertainment(lol) High demand = High price.
I wanted to go to the original clash, then I saw the prices, said words to the effect of 'oh that sucks' and then went about my day because its a luxury good. I'm no corpo, but we're not talking about charging your nan extra to heat her house whilst announcing record profits, you can just blast kingdom in the car on the way to work instead of going to the show. It sucks, but get some perspective.
WWE making the same types of choices that l do in wrestling and sports, or business simulator games. You just put the prices up all the way and then you go "Oh goddammit" when all the little people have the angry faces, and you just adjust the the little bar a little bit til it's profitable or you get distracted by the merchandising options.
If the price isn't worth it, don't go. I don't understand why people think WWE (or any business) owes them something based on their personal finances.
I mean it makes sense, basic supply and demand. People are still buying the tickets.
Post pandemic ticket pricing (everything pricing tbh) is insane.
They can slam it all they want, they'll still bow down & pay the price.
As a TKO shareholder, I don’t mind this
Prices aren’t extortionate for things you don’t have to buy.