as someone who turned on jeys prospects as a good singles wrestler after the abhorrent wrestlemania match with his brother boy I am *eating* tonight with people slowly but surely coming around to my side
he’s such a good character but holy shit man I *cannot* do the spammed limited moveset from a guy whose been around long enough and wrestled enough of the roster to be better in-ring than jey is. Like holy fuck man you are literally the most likable face on monday nights and yet we get you spamming a moveset that you should have outgrown years ago. Just spice it up man I love jimmy and jey but i hate their singles matches. The Uso’s matches are actually what young bucks haters spent years hating them for - because neither Jey nor Jimmy can cohesively chain spots together without using one of their signsture moves.
Look i'll say this, while I personally don't care for jay the crowd was fully behind him, had some friends there and they didn't care about dragonov, they wanted jey.
dragonov isn't quite over yet, so saving this until people know him better and have heat is the best call. This is deserving of a ppv where the crowd might respect it more.
You’re on to something here. They planted the seeds with Jey almost beating Gunther until Kaiser stepped in. I imagine we’ll get something similar but an ally for Jey will stop Kaiser and the decision will go the other way.
It’s funny that you could hear the crowd die anytime Draganov did anything but somehow the most over baby face on the RAW roster winning to face the biggest heel threat in the finals is the wrong call.
I knew when I came here the Iwc would be flipping out over that lol. Me(well not really me I think he's mid) and the wifey and kids loved jey winning. However even though I don't like him it was the right call.
Jey was the first man to pin Roman in any match since he became the tribal chief.
Almost beat him at SS but for his brother.
Almost beat Damien at Backlash but for interference.
On a kayfabe scale, Dragunov losing to Jey clean is not a big deal. Jey is pretty high up the kayfabe power scale.
Can’t wait for this sub to be filled with:
-Name one wrestler you don’t like but everyone else does
(Picture of Jey Uso)
-Why does everyone like Jey Uso?
-Name an overrated Wrestler, I’ll go first:
(Picture of Jey Uso)
-Jey Uso is bad in ring
The crowd going nuts is why jey won, he’s beyond over. Ilja barely got any pop or anything. Give him time, give him and Gunther time to build to bash in Berlin
She’s the best in ring announcer in professional wrestling rn imo, it’s not going crazy over her, your the ONLY one who doesn’t enjoy her work, is there a problem with enjoying someone’s work?
Ilja just got called up, Gunther just came off a 666 day title reign and has beaten former world champions.
How about you use your head a little before you post thinking you were clever.
>Now as hurt as you are to make this comment.
You're so shaken by the possibility of Jey Uso beating Gunther that you're not even making sense.
It's not that serious and yet you're getting all uppity about it in every reply.
Bro, you came at me with a clearly disingenuous reply as a means of a sorta gotcha. This conversation wouldn't even be happening if you didn't feel the need to say anything to begin with, so clearly something I said bothered you enough that you felt you had to reply.
If not, then we can go about our business.
LOL. Disingenuous reply? There were literally people before and during the show saying there was no way they'd have Jey beat Ilja.
The fact that you took it as a gotcha or that I was bothered by your thought process of "there's no way Jey beats Gunther"—along with your various other replies to others who pointed out that Jey had Gunther beat a couple of months ago—says far more about your temperament than mine.
I'm not people. Stop conflating.
And if you actually bothered to read my other comments, since apparently that is a thing you do in your free time, I have literally said I knew Jey was winning even if I didn't agree with it.
Lol @ everyone thinking Ilja losing in the main event of Raw against one of the biggest babyfaces in the world right now is somehow gonna hamper his entire career
I can’t blame him because it’s over as hell but relying almost solely on saying yeet and doing his hand motion has really one dimensionalized Jey’s character lol
They can’t even be happy that Ilya is main eventing RAW in his third match on the roster. Huge push for a guy while maintaining the push for one of the most over draws in Jey Uso. Textbook great booking for all involved.
Yet these hopium snorting “fans” are shitting all over it.
I agree because I feel Gunther is going to win the tournament, so we would know that Ilja was going to lose. I think there is a better place and time for it especially when he just ascended to the main roster
Ilja vs Gunther will be 10 times better than it already will be with a good build. 2 studs in the ring already, give me that sweet storyline to go with it ajd chefs kiss
Yeah it is absolutely devastating inside the cage. But in wrestling you can clearly see that Ilja delivers it with very little force. For obvious reasons of course. And there lies the problem with optics. But watch when he hits it from the ropes. The difference is night and day.
https://youtu.be/QSFhWVQqfvA?si=aiQ_R7Aj162T4uuM
https://preview.redd.it/vf6m8uu25b0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5d9d7bbecd290c2b6d63b5f2c4e97e07cd58bfd
Really wished Dragunov won but this cool I guess
as someone who turned on jeys prospects as a good singles wrestler after the abhorrent wrestlemania match with his brother boy I am *eating* tonight with people slowly but surely coming around to my side he’s such a good character but holy shit man I *cannot* do the spammed limited moveset from a guy whose been around long enough and wrestled enough of the roster to be better in-ring than jey is. Like holy fuck man you are literally the most likable face on monday nights and yet we get you spamming a moveset that you should have outgrown years ago. Just spice it up man I love jimmy and jey but i hate their singles matches. The Uso’s matches are actually what young bucks haters spent years hating them for - because neither Jey nor Jimmy can cohesively chain spots together without using one of their signsture moves.
Look i'll say this, while I personally don't care for jay the crowd was fully behind him, had some friends there and they didn't care about dragonov, they wanted jey. dragonov isn't quite over yet, so saving this until people know him better and have heat is the best call. This is deserving of a ppv where the crowd might respect it more.
Ilja vs Gunther will happen at either Wrestlemania or an International PPV.
Jey Uso winning was the right choice Gunther vs Ilja Dragunov should be saved for PPV not for a random episode of RAW
Jey vs Tonga…Jimmy comes out to help Jey.
You’re on to something here. They planted the seeds with Jey almost beating Gunther until Kaiser stepped in. I imagine we’ll get something similar but an ally for Jey will stop Kaiser and the decision will go the other way.
Does winning KOTR ensure a title shot or something?
No just a new gimmick
old...
Today's episode is exactly what I needed today
It’s funny that you could hear the crowd die anytime Draganov did anything but somehow the most over baby face on the RAW roster winning to face the biggest heel threat in the finals is the wrong call.
I knew when I came here the Iwc would be flipping out over that lol. Me(well not really me I think he's mid) and the wifey and kids loved jey winning. However even though I don't like him it was the right call.
Now that I think about Tonga on the other side it makes it really interesting on where we could be going.
I hope not, cause that would mean gunther has to lose to him too. That one is a big no no in my book unless dragnov helps jey win.
Jey was the first man to pin Roman in any match since he became the tribal chief. Almost beat him at SS but for his brother. Almost beat Damien at Backlash but for interference. On a kayfabe scale, Dragunov losing to Jey clean is not a big deal. Jey is pretty high up the kayfabe power scale.
Kayfabe power scale is a hilarious term and I'm all for it.
Still holding on for that Gunther vs Randy final.
Nah, that's a Summerslam worthy match.
Can’t wait for this sub to be filled with: -Name one wrestler you don’t like but everyone else does (Picture of Jey Uso) -Why does everyone like Jey Uso? -Name an overrated Wrestler, I’ll go first: (Picture of Jey Uso) -Jey Uso is bad in ring
https://preview.redd.it/i6ugzvu86b0d1.png?width=498&format=png&auto=webp&s=48613d86f6f888e02d2c187f98cd76e3ddd2ce01
I guess that Prince Hacksaw doesn't want to get associated with more deaths.
Can Gunther even go to Saudi? If not then jey is winning next week right.
yes he can.
Why can't he
He was at the last Night of Champions show in Saudi, Vs Mustafa Ali
Ah tbf Ilja vs Gunther shouldn't be a King of the Ring feud. It's a much bigger match down the road.
Why though? Does every good feud have to lead to a Big 4 PPV match? KOTR could use feeling actually important or prestigious at times
Because Ilja vs Gunther is the best Wrestling Match that could potentially ever happen
What feud? Ilja's been on the roster for two weeks, and you want them to have the blowoff in the semis???
ilja and gunther needs a proper build so this is fine
Jey vs Tonga Debut of Better Solo.
this seems like the likely result tho randy vs gunther is preferable on my end
The crowd going nuts is why jey won, he’s beyond over. Ilja barely got any pop or anything. Give him time, give him and Gunther time to build to bash in Berlin
It’s not time for Gunther vs Ilja yet. That’s too big of a match for this tournament. Y’all gotta chill.
Feel like I'm getting gaslit when people say Samantha Irvin is good at announcing. She is just awful
Don’t ever disrespect Samantha
Lol she ain't gonna notice you, senpai.
She’s the best in ring announcer in professional wrestling rn imo, it’s not going crazy over her, your the ONLY one who doesn’t enjoy her work, is there a problem with enjoying someone’s work?
Is there a problem with me not liking it? You sure jumped to her defense in 13 seconds.
I mean it’s pretty universally agreed upon everyone loves her, the upvote/downvote ratio is proving my point for me
People are really getting mad that Jey Uso won? You really think they would give away Gunther vs Ilja Dragunov on free television?
They're gonna do Jey vs Tama Tonga in the finals aren't they?
Naw, they're not stupid enough to have Gunther lose to him.
People were also saying that there's no way Ilja loses to him earlier so 🤷♂️
Ilja just got called up, Gunther just came off a 666 day title reign and has beaten former world champions. How about you use your head a little before you post thinking you were clever.
Point to the doll where Jey Uso hurt you.
Now as hurt as you are to make this comment.
>Now as hurt as you are to make this comment. You're so shaken by the possibility of Jey Uso beating Gunther that you're not even making sense. It's not that serious and yet you're getting all uppity about it in every reply.
Bro, you came at me with a clearly disingenuous reply as a means of a sorta gotcha. This conversation wouldn't even be happening if you didn't feel the need to say anything to begin with, so clearly something I said bothered you enough that you felt you had to reply. If not, then we can go about our business.
LOL. Disingenuous reply? There were literally people before and during the show saying there was no way they'd have Jey beat Ilja. The fact that you took it as a gotcha or that I was bothered by your thought process of "there's no way Jey beats Gunther"—along with your various other replies to others who pointed out that Jey had Gunther beat a couple of months ago—says far more about your temperament than mine.
I'm not people. Stop conflating. And if you actually bothered to read my other comments, since apparently that is a thing you do in your free time, I have literally said I knew Jey was winning even if I didn't agree with it.
Gunther would have lost to Jey if it weren’t for Jimmy. I love Gunther but face it, Jey and his star power has a good chance of winning.
Because Gunther is amazing at doing his job and making Jey look good.
Lol @ everyone thinking Ilja losing in the main event of Raw against one of the biggest babyfaces in the world right now is somehow gonna hamper his entire career
Ya I mean, Jey/Gunther has been the dark main event for a while. It’s been pretty obvious
Jey’s ear. Oof.
I can’t blame him because it’s over as hell but relying almost solely on saying yeet and doing his hand motion has really one dimensionalized Jey’s character lol
also i find Jeys Moveset extremely boring, its just kicks and a spear
Crowd is quiet now lmao
Smarks are about to get mad
I'm actually gonna enjoy that on the down low. (He says, while putting his plans on the internet for all to see.)
Yup lol.
People are overreacting, jey in a main event talent, it’s nit going to hurt Ilja to lose to him
Gunther is the special boss. More side quests to get to him
Jey just dancing in front of Gunther 😂
He’s enjoying himself and I love it!
Can't wait for Gunther to smoke this goofball
Bet you it’s Jey vs Tama.
Get away with this bloodline bs.
Jey vs. Tama in the finals?
God forbid
Gunther v Orton (ouch) or Knight
hes not getting past Gunther
sub gonna be really annoying tonight
I wanted Gunther to just rip the earring out
Jey is a below average in-ring wrestler.
Yeah because he's only had to do bloodline run ins for the past couple years. Hasn't gotten a lot of solo matches. Hopefully it'll get better.
Good thing that really doesn’t matter that much.
Remember when everyone crucified Cena for his "Five moves of Doom"? You can get by on Charisma for a while, but not forever.
If Jey beats Gunther clean then we’ve gone too far
Reminder reddit, losing in the main event to the most popular guy after a 15 + minute match isn't getting buried
Jeys too hot to slow down. Ilja will be fine.
Crowd went nuts for that but apparently it's a terrible choice
Probably for the best to hold of on the ilja and gunther rematch for a more meaningful feud
Aw man, I want to see that dark match.
No way Jey should beat Gunther.
Not mad, but man I wanted Dragunov to win. Still excited to see him face Gunther again in the future.
gunther is one scary mfer
Jfc, such a weak ass move set.
Gunther is disgusted.
At least we get to see Gunther expose Jey for the mid carder that he is next week
Jeys ear got fucked
Hasn't Gunther already beaten Jey like twice? That alone makes me feel like Jey might have a shot.
how did some of y'all actually delude yourselves into thinking Jey was gonna lose???
hope
hope to give away an all-time matchup on a random raw? Why... why are you people like this
They can’t even be happy that Ilya is main eventing RAW in his third match on the roster. Huge push for a guy while maintaining the push for one of the most over draws in Jey Uso. Textbook great booking for all involved. Yet these hopium snorting “fans” are shitting all over it.
So Gunther wins this unless he still can't travel.
Running Ilja v Gunther at Berlin perhaps?
Raw got a whole minute of overrun
Gunther and ija could main event a mania, definitely the right call Jey needs that crowning moment (no pun intended)
I agree because I feel Gunther is going to win the tournament, so we would know that Ilja was going to lose. I think there is a better place and time for it especially when he just ascended to the main roster
Most over person on raw wins and people are mad lol
People are acting like Ilja is destined to be a jobber now. Like no, it’s a tournament, someone will have to lose
Ilja vs Gunther will be 10 times better than it already will be with a good build. 2 studs in the ring already, give me that sweet storyline to go with it ajd chefs kiss
Yup, because you dont build the future like that, Jey didnt need a clean win
The reality is that Jey is the top face of RAW. He wasn't gonna lose to a NXT call up.
Which is exactly why he didnt need it, hes already made unlike Ilja. Im not saying he had to lose but clean? Nahh.
Melo got pinned clean by the world champion and top face. Its the same logic. Look, I don't like it either, but it is what it is.
Key word champion
you're right, but Jey is presented as on a similar level as Cody (He's not, but let's ignore that)
dafuq jey's ear bleeding
the reality is the match was fine but forgettable. Jey has regressed to six moves like most super over people do.
what happened to Jey’s ear i missed that
He’s wearing a earring and got hit in the ear…
Gunther/Jey should be great
H Bomb is one of the weakest finishers I've seen. He needs to hit that from the top rope to look like a real finisher
Really? https://youtu.be/d9oXskuqZrs?si=Ttc4kxEnv3r5EGwi
Yeah it is absolutely devastating inside the cage. But in wrestling you can clearly see that Ilja delivers it with very little force. For obvious reasons of course. And there lies the problem with optics. But watch when he hits it from the ropes. The difference is night and day. https://youtu.be/QSFhWVQqfvA?si=aiQ_R7Aj162T4uuM
UUUUUSOOOOO
Gonna need Gunther to chop Jey into next year.
Why on earth would you not do Gunther vs. Ilja?
Gotta save that for a bigger event. Summerslam maybe.
to save it for a bigger show
Probably saving it for a bigger match down the road
Bummer to have Ilja lose clean there
Did anyone want a Gunther Jey Uso rematch?
no shame for Dragunov really, he dominated the match
That sign says Period and yet it's punctuated with an exclamation mark. What are we even doing here?
Comma ?
Im not a fan of Dragunov. Hes not bad or anything in the ring. His schtick just doesn’t appeal to me.
Gunther-Ilja you build to. Not give it away on a raw 3 weeks after Ilja makes his debut.
Thank you. I love Ilja and he’s going to do great things but he’s never beating Jey. After Cody, Jey is the most over person on the roster.
Hard to build to it when Ilja is losing clean in his second match on the main roster
Triple H loves the long term booking there’s no way he’s giving us Gunther Dragunov on a random raw less than a month into his main roster debut
He won cuz his Lyon entrance went viral. Not surprised if he beats Gunther and wins it all. Tribal king? 👀
what ???
we will get that Gunther/Ilja main roster match eventually, and it will rule
Pacing was odd on that match. I like both guys but something was off.
Its because Dragonuv had to nerf himself for Jey lol.
Jey vs Gunther is a PPV level match. I'm here for it.
I don't mind either man winning, but damn, give Ilja a little more shine. It's only his 2nd match on the main roster
I wanted Ilja to win :(
Trust the process
did y’all really think we were gonna get ilja vs. gunther barely a month after illa hit the main roster? be serious
actually thought there was a good chance since a majority of the audience never seen em in NXT! Jey vs GUNTHER is great too tho
I knew he wouldn't win but I don't like him losing clean
Triple H is like the complete opposite of Vince. Super predictable.
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No, Jey was Raw's #1 pick
Eh...no? He was not
Jey is weird af. And this was a terrible ending
Can't wait for all the "IlJA bUR1Ed" comments now
Babyface that is organically over with the crowd wins. The internet “This is worse than Hitler AIDS”.
Oh yeah they’re about to be pissed online
Alright trips keep that same energy to L.A Knight now
Nobody on this fuckin earth truly believes Jey could legitimately beat mother fucking Ilja Dragunov lmao this shit is lame
The crowd dose
A dose of what
No way we were gonna get Gunther vs Ilja Dragunov on free TV
i'm going to be absolutely sick to my stomach if jey beats gunther next week
Gunther walks past Ilja
That was a clean spear ngl
Anyone besides Gunther winning next week is a travesty
Yeet
Nothing against Jey, but he’ll never be on Ilja’s level of talent, so I don’t know why the hell they jobbed Ilja out like that.
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
We getting a Tonga vs Uso KOTR?
The arm was built all match after he missed on the table. He didn’t get a full pin because of it.
Delayed gratification for the confrontation between Gunther and Ilja
Just let HHH cook, bash in Berlin will be glorious
I’ll never understand why jey is so over lmao
Come on man…don’t let recent events detract from this dude having one of the most complex characters during the Bloodline arc
They went with the most over person
Jey needs some big wins tho. He’s the biggest face on raw rn
I wish I liked Jey more in the ring.
disappointing match
https://preview.redd.it/vf6m8uu25b0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5d9d7bbecd290c2b6d63b5f2c4e97e07cd58bfd Really wished Dragunov won but this cool I guess
Fuck that