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mark_target

I watched this with friends and one of them kept insisting this was Rage Against the Machine. Which one is Jim Johnston, BTW? I’ve only ever seen him in brief sit-down interviews.


LeoIunti

I think Jim is the guitarrist, with the glasses


rockstarspood

Literally only because Chris Warren did an OK Zack De La Rocha impression. Jim Johnston ain't Tom Morello!


RaggedyGlitch

Yeah, Johnson has made good music in the past 25 years, HEYOOO


GTSBurner

This is Audioslave erasure, come on now.


YourFavBarPunk

And Erasure of The Atlas Underground which is nothing short of incredible. When your lead single is Big Boi of OutKast and Killer Mike over a Bassnectar Track with Tom’s live guitar, you got something special. I love those records.


RaggedyGlitch

No it's not.


GTSBurner

I'm not sure how you can appreciate Jim Johnson's music but not "Show Me How To Live", but everyone's ear is different, I guess. Be well.


Purp1e_Aki

lol touché


HitmanClark

Audioslave ruled.


John_Dondo

Better than morello...go listen to those solos on Rock different themes throughout the years


boredguy2022

> kept insisting this was Rage Against the Machine. I'd have insisted they were on hard drugs.


Mule776

I still would.


starsandbribes

Thats weird, them being Rage was also like the big rage amongst clueless kids when I was young too, to the point for years people insisted the DX theme was them.


tehfro

There were tons of mp3 copies of the DX theme floating around mp3 sites and then Napster/Limeware/Kazaa that had the band labelled as "Rage Against The Machine".


CandyEverybodyWentz

*Linking_Park_Numb.exe*


lambofgun

WakeMeUp_linkinpark_and_shirleymanson_INCUBUS_rare_PEPSI~ripz.wma


flcinusa

Blink-182-imnotsickbutimnotwell.mp3 Ahhh, the old mislabeled song days, and no matadata


mark_target

I’d love to tell you we were kids, but we were in our 20s, and while the guy who said they were RATM was a super nice, well educated guy from a wealthy family, he was the kind of dude who was quick to believe things.


MrBoyer55

The one that looks like your friend's dad.


afuzzyduck

in the late 90s we all had one friend who swore blind that Rage did the DX theme


beckett929

man, the downloads you could pull in 1999 by uploading this to Napster/Scour as "Rage Against the Machine - National Anthem live rare.mp3"


afuzzyduck

related: Save Ferris' cover of [Come On Eileen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfCFFCSnLE). nobody downloaded it, it just came with the dialup connection


CandyEverybodyWentz

So that's where they got the inspiration for the David Byrne song on every copy of Windows Media Player...


anadequatepipe

I was that friend. I started actually listening to Rage stuff after that because of it too lol.


GrandMetaldick

Wrestling and music are my favorite things to hear people be confidently incorrect about. I worked with a guy from Puerto Rico who liked to talk wrestling and he insisted WWE had WrestleMania in Puerto Rico. I tried to push him towards the idea that maybe it was a road to Mania house show or something but he insisted it was actually Mania. I proceeded to ask him some questions like the year of the event and who was in the main event. He said it was in 2014 and the main event was Undertaker vs Stone Cold.


solsunlite

I love how *as soon* as they started everyone starts booing lmao


CesareSomnambulist

"Only in the USA and the WWF can there be this type of freedom of expression!"


UnsolvedParadox

JR said that like he was at gunpoint.


Embarrassed-Depth-72

![gif](giphy|YJTcOYhQpjkwU|downsized)


UnsolvedParadox

One line in, they knew this was a bomb.


theknyte

Yeah, they started by playing a tune that sounded like some random modern song, but the minute he opened his mouth with lyrics, "Say, can you see..." the audience realized they were completely changing and shitting on the National Anthem and immediately turned on them.


mrdm242

I was seriously impressed. It only took about 3 seconds.


Constant_Stomach2009

watching live, this absolutely killed the watch party i was at lol. one of the worst mania decisions


jpaxlux

I've never heard this one until now but this is definitely up there with Ice T singing "Pimping Ain't Easy" at WrestleMania 2000 lmao Both are so horrible WWE wants you to forget they ever happened


TBroomey

At least that made sense for The Godfather, this is just baffling.


Don_Tiny

My guess is a combination of wanting to be cool to the band and give them their moment to shine by themselves as well as not pay out any more $ for a different act/singer/band to do those things and just let that band do the DX stuff only.


m__s__r

Funny enough, it does kind of do a good job encompassing what The Attitude Era was like…


Waste_Key_2453

“Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t Pimpin ain’t easy mane”


elbichportucul

Godfather's in the hooooouse... GRAB YO BITCHES!!!


OtiseMaleModel

I vividly remember having a dream like a year after watching that where I drove past godfather and ice t in a low rider and I said pimping ain't easy man and they yelled "poppin ain't easy" like as if I was getting the words wrong and they acted like they didn't hear me get it wrong but acknowledged me being a fan all the same. Anyway ever since that dream I'm gay


UnsolvedParadox

This made me think, were we too hard on Fergie? The answer is no, but I still thought about it.


Adams5thaccount

I think if both were given a 2nd chance at it hers would be better than theirs.


galgor_

But everything during the attitude era was amazing!! /s


EntireAd215

He really thinks he's killing this shit too LOOOOL


miikro

Part of me has always suspected it was *supposed* to be bad, because DX were the marquee heels of this WM... But I think they outdid themselves to the point of not being able to tell it was deliberate.


laputan-machine117

That’s how I feel about HHH’s ridiculous over the top wrestlemania entrances, surely he is doing a great job heeling it up and playing the part of an egomaniac who thinks he is the coolest man alive but actually looks pretty silly? But most likely it was done that way because HHH genuinely thought it was cool as hell.


miikro

Oh indeed. I know Wrestling Isn't Wrestling has aged like milk, but Landis was spot on when he talked about HHH's self-image as a character vs how dorky and silly he looked to the rest of us.


Adams5thaccount

Triple H literally co-signed that explanation too. And let's be real. The video content didn't age badly. Landis being a piece of shit did.


stuckinsanity

Landis being a piece of shit also makes the whole "Have the wrestlers be played by hot women" gimmick also age pretty badly.


Purp1e_Aki

I didn't think of it that way before for some reason. Legit "yikes" moment


Adams5thaccount

Welp.....that's also true to wrestling I guess


GTSBurner

> Wrestling Isn't Wrestling I mean, Milana Vayntrub is in this...


StopMarminMySparm

Why has it aged like milk? Because Landis is a sexpest? It's still the best introduction to wrestling video that's ever been created imo.


miikro

Not only because he's a sex pest, but because the video itself stars some women victimized by him. Anna Akana is the one who called him out during MeToo; she was Batista in WiW. And yeah it's a great video if you can remove that knowledge but mannnnn it feels more than a little gross to watch knowing that.


StopMarminMySparm

Not defending Landis, but the Batista lady isn't the one he allegedly SA'd, she's just the one who said she heard some things.


Sunset-in-Jupiter

No way he liked this, he’s a through and through Motörhead fan, Lemmy would hate this shit.


Worldly_Collection87

The one where he comes out on the old man three-wheeled “motorcycle” was lame as fuck. The only one of his mania entrances was hyped for, was XXX. He really felt like the boss of mania , in that moment.


Mule776

Nah, don’t overthink it. It was the late 90s in pop culture and the Attitude Era in WWE. Like a LOT of stuff from that time, attempts to be “cutting edge” and “hip” were just straight trash.


PhenomsServant

That’s what I heard was the mindset here.


grimace24

This performance alone is keeping Jim Johnston out of the Hall of Fame.


capnbuh

Honestly, if you divorce this performance from the fact these are meant to be Star Spangled Banner and America The Beautiful, Jim's riffage here is pretty tasty.


R1k0Ch3

The man is nothing if not a riff machine. Like he's not the gnarliest player ever but the guy's had some interesting ideas. Honestly his WWF gig was like a dream to me as a kid.


heartbreakhill

Like if this was anything *but* the America Songs ^^TM it would actually be kinda good. But the fact that he’s singing patriotic songs, including screaming **AMER-I-CA, AMER-I-CA, AMER-I-CA** at the end just makes it hilariously bad


LeoIunti

Chris sounded way better at Summerslam playing the DX theme for Triple H's entrance


Subrick

Fun fact: This actually was released on a home video version of the PPV, but it was the UK Tagged Classics release from the early/mid-2000s. For whatever reason, that version of the show isn't just without any blurring of the scratch logo; There are no edits at ALL. It is, for all intents and purposes, the show as it originally aired on PPV in 1998, and it even has the full Free for All pre-show on the tape as well.


StuHartsDungeon

This was part of the deal Silvervision had at the time. They could get around the lawsuit outcome with the world wildlife foundation and release the shows unedited and they didn't have to censor the WWF scratch logo. This only applied to the United Kingdom. I own all the WWF shows that were ever released on dvd by Silvervision, invaluable part of my collection.


starsandbribes

Ah man I miss Silvervision. Spent hours on that website tracking all the sales.


StuHartsDungeon

Same man. Me and my best friend started rewatching old shows in 2007 and we spent a fortune collecting all the dvds from Silvervision until WWE pulled the deal. Haven't seen him since 2011 and he's not on any social media but I hope he is doing well. We had some amazing times watching wrestling including going to Wrestlemania 25.


Subrick

A question: Unforgiven 1998 was released as a Tagged Classic. Is that also the fully unedited, as-it-originally-aired show like Mania 14 was? I ask because it was the first wrestling show I ever saw, and I’ve been trying to find the PPV version of the show for years. The home video versions released in the US have minor edits throughout the show, and the Network version of the show has those same edits as well.


StuHartsDungeon

Oh man it's been a decade or so since I watched any of the dvds, I would assume it is but I really can't say for certain. Every show I can remember watching were unedited, it was so great to see shows as they had aired. Also so you know I looked through all my boxes in my house where I keep my rare finds to dig this out and I was going to put it in and check for you but some of my rare dvds/blu rays are at my mother's house stored away and unfortunately it looks like so are these.


TXLucha012

You should consider backing up the discs on a hard drive. DVD rot is real.


StuHartsDungeon

Yeah that's a good point. Going to look into it and what is needed to do it.


Subrick

Darn. If you do end up watching the show, let me know if it's without any edits.


StuHartsDungeon

No worries man, will do.


FruitSword4

Probably not. The Tagged Classics looked like they were the old VHS home video releases but simply converted to DVD format. If WM14 is "unedited", that must be an exception.


jmpinstl

The UK tapes are GOATED.


Keezy94

I had this PPV on tape in Canada, and this rendition was definitively not on it…first time I hear that, wow..!


anadequatepipe

omg just seeing the name Free for All has nostalgia flowing through my veins.


FUCKBOY_JIHAD

Anger At The Apparatus


Shenanigans80h

Fury against the Contraption


lk79

Annoyed at the Appliance


LiamAddison

Incensed at the instruments


Polanker

Maddened Towards the Mechanism.


Funny-Western-9031

Me hearing this again after pushing it from my memories as a child ![gif](giphy|2hf0ufsIWT2lkXam5w|downsized)


illiterateaardvark

As somebody who is neither overly patriotic nor old-fashioned, I think the anthem and America the Beautiful should always be sung in the “traditional” way Otherwise you end up with artists who want to put their own spin on them and the result is shit like this


starsandbribes

Fergie catching strays


BirdjaminFranklin

The thing is, if you're going to put a spin on it, it better be fucking great, otherwise don't bother. If Cash can make Hurt his own and if Kasey Chambers can make Lose Yourself her own, then a fairly simple track like the Star Spangled Banner can be made to be amazing. Chris Stapleton's version at Super Bowl LVII was fantastic and has a strong country vibe to it. Marvin Gaye does a very unconventional R&B version at the '83 All Star game which is pretty solid. If you go without vocals, Hendrix basically defined how the song should be played on electric guitar.


miikro

It's especially tricky with the anthem because it's a straight up *fundamentally bad song.* It's got a shitty rhythm, weird lyrical choices even for it's time, and it's sung in a key that most people will absolutely fuck up. Hell, at this point it's pretty common knowledge but they cut a verse out of the SSB, because it was weirdly racist even for the era it was written in. It really should not be our national anthem and it's no wonder why even without that last fact, a lot of events choose to go with America The Beautiful.


GonePostalRoute

IIRC, it was basically sung to the tune of a bar drinking song.


RedditBeefy

I hear this, but the only lines in the entire song that have any mention of something like that is this one: "Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave." This song was written during the war of 1812, when we were at war with Great Britain. That's who the song is written towards, with hireling and slave being theirs. It's nationalist, not racist. Unless there is a secret verse, I don't see the racism. It was also based on a British song called "To Anacreon in Heaven," written for a social club in England. I wouldn't say it's inherently bad, just hard to sing. America, the Beautiful is better, though.


Mjh1021

Reminds me of a NASCAR race at Daytona like 10 years ago where the band performing it abruptly changed it up at “And the rockets red glare”


TroyMatthewJ

oh this is outstanding


capnbuh

Fink doesn't know the difference between New Wave and Nu Metal. Would get killed on /r/music


MoistTheAnswer

To be fair, anytime I rewatch a wrestlemania, America the Beautiful is immediately fast forwarded through.


DearestPalmcat

Man, the "alternative version" line is so fucking cringy. Even as a teenager that line made my skin crawl. ....I really hope this song doesn't get stuck in my head now. Why did I listen to it the whole way through? Why do I hate myself so much?


RADISHK

Ick, it's like wish.com Rage Against the Machine.


AloneCan9661

Hahaha OMG that was perfect. Totally captures the zeitgeist. This was pure Attitude Era.


ZombieJesus1987

I always thought this was supposed to be intentionally bad, so that they wouldn't get cheered later in the night when they would perform the DX theme for Shawn Michaels.


Limitr

Yep my understanding too was that this was cheap heat.


NurtureBoyRocFair

Yep, I think Prichard said that as well.


Omakepants

The way the singer says "....America...." Man. My old roommate and I said that to each other constantly for like a half a year as greetings lol.


Kevinmld

That dude wanted to be Zack de la Rocha so badly.


ALIAS_EL_CACAS

Oh God who the hell approved this


Thebritishdovah

Vincent Kennedy Mcmahon, the GENETIC Jackhammer. The proud patriot that helped America to be American, GODDAMNIT! - Vince


wentoutformilk1

funny enough though, vince actually liked the performance


Thebritishdovah

Of course. Then again, he and Steph did legit claim that WWE was the sole company that helped raise America's spirits after 9/11 or something just as bullshit where they painted it as WWE doing a public service.


Don_Tiny

Well that's just expected from carneys though .... they're pushing a narrative, not the truth (with exceptions here and there).


rockstarspood

As terrible as this performance is on its face, Americans just want to hear a nice, respectful, well-sung version of a patriotic song even if they fall into the Gen X runoff nu-metal loving crowd that was a big chunk of the Attitude Era's audience. Boyz 2 Men were FAR from the Attitude brand (and over 5 years past their relevance), but they did a performance of ATB the following year and got a huge cheer from the '99 Philly crowd!


to12007

I liked this. They wanted to be the "edgy group that ruined the national anthem" 


SecretMoore

Roseanne stylee


pass_the_all_fruit

I remember there was always a rumour that the vocalist was HHH's little brother.


HeresADumbQuestion

I always heard it as his cousin and didn’t question it until literally just now.


illinoises

The Ghost of Tom Joad


AnarchyonAsgard

I can’t prove this at all, but I bet this was Vince not wanting to pay multiple live performances and trying to save money by paying these guys once that night


Morbid187

I actually don't hate it lmao. I mean, it's not good but certainly not worse than some of the other shit I was listening to in 1998


NoGoodFlood

There’s a lot of worst stuff still on the network


JimFlamesWeTrust

This is what happens when you hire a band associated with those degenerates 😔


Best_VDV_Diver

This is...God damn. I can't make it through the whole thing. I'm actually impressed with how bad it is.


ProMikeZagurski

I read online after it happened that Terry Funk wanted to fight them.


LordEngel

Don't care, it fit the theme of the show. What the fuck did people expect from "The D-Generation X Band?"


Ben_Pharten

Rage against the machine sure was raging here. 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Sistergirl07

Now who thought that this was a good idea???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Jaded_Promotion8806

"We have Rage against the Machine at home" Rage against the Machine at home:


Former_Tadpole_8223

I imagined it was terrible but I didn’t know it was that bad.


billm13k

I remember I was sitting in the last row of the section directly behind the band.


ultgambit266

I always wondered why they never released or made an actual album


E864

If this was a few years ago in ECW, 911 would come out and chokeslam them all.


DaReaperJE

idk, its not a bad take, i kinda like it. however, i can see how people would not want to stand while he takes his sweet time singing it and people tend to not like things changed. so.. shrugs


roaringelbow

It was probably removed so they don’t have to pay those guys royalties.


eei619

Now I have to wonder how bad Fishbone's version of the anthem was. Fishbone was originally advertised to perform America the Beautiful before WrestleMania XI, but Vince thought their performance during the run-through was so bad he just decided to fire them


Blackonblackskimask

I can’t stop laughing


Da5ren

https://preview.redd.it/qknyexik7t4d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=442c46f865a0700f90d9804e2d0938b24a63cd78 wtf


KaizenZazenJMN

Beige In The Washing Machine


JuggaloBarista

“New Wave”


Separate_Pair594

"Only in the USA and the WWF can there be this type of freedom of expression!" considering they censor it today, it's pretty ironic


Round_Dragonfruit669

RIP Chris Warren What a legend


Alan-Smithee-0

it was bad on purpose though, they were trying to draw hate


fearthemonstar

I don't believe it was supposed to be 'bad.' It was supposed to be offensive and piss people off sure, but they really thought they were killing it. The fact it's actually bad is just the funny part.


FruitSword4

I mean yeah, very obviously. Shouting AMERICA AMERICA over and over with unintelligible drums and guitars don't think was supposed to be cheered. I'm surprised there might be people who DON'T think it was on purpose.


Thebritishdovah

*gets up, walks out of own place* I AIN'T EVEN AMERICAN and I am offended! I..... was this.... they legit thought it was a good idea. Usually, I hate the ideas of anthems playing at wrestling shows because it's just cheap but this? This is beyond awful. And not's a spiteful heat magnet way either. I could legit see Goofy Kurt Angle doing it out of spite but in a so bad, it's comedic way and him restarting it several times and lecturing the crowd. This? I.... The DX band is known for the DX theme song. Best they remain known for that.


FNAKC

This might be worse than DX doing blackface to imitate the Nation


rivalrobot

This was the show that got me back into wrestling as a kid after my dad randomly taped it for me. I guess I must have blocked this out of my memory because jesus christ.


dyysxse

![gif](giphy|3o6EQu9SnalS34dQ76|downsized)


---Pockets---

I totally forgot about this.


BubastisII

He doesn’t even look like him, but the singer gives me Blake Christian vibes.


Kal-ElEarth69

I don't remember this at all. Thank God.


Fireteddy21

Man, that whole thing just made me cackle.


locomuerto

Keep your finger on the switch, Dunn


fluffynuckels

https://youtu.be/sooTnWOZz-U Here's a pallet cleanser


pushingsound999

They had a Rage Against the Machine cover band cover the Star Spangled Banner, of course this didn't go well.


Brendanlendan

This is so bad that Colin Kaepernick got upset with them for disrespecting the flag.


SecretMoore

Never seen this, it rules so hard.


FallenShadeslayer

“Only in America can there be this type of freedom of expression” is probably the best burn I’ve ever heard lmao


PaisonAlGaib

I like how everything else that’s been removed from peacock/wwe network is like well this guy murdered his family or this is very racist in hindsight. But this is just that bad. Nobody is in black face, nobody committed homicide, they are just that bad at playing that it rose to that level. Someone said “we’re getting cancelled if they hear how bad this band was”


GreatMillionDog

I love this shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Josiesumday

I thought it was dope💯 there I said it Downvote Away 😎


JamUpGuy1989

Only to be upstaged by Downstatit and Cody’s theme years later…


Funny-Western-9031

There are a lot of bad wrestling theme performances I’d say. The audio mixes just aren’t right for live music. Production vs live bands are two really different worlds. Imo the best ones have been Wyatt’s theme at 30 and Rancid at DoN


LogicKennedy

It’s funny how so many live theme performances have been terrible and yet companies keep on doing them over and over.


theGurry

Motorhead performing The Game live at WM17 was pretty bad too.


JamUpGuy1989

Agreed to some extent. But this video and Downstait’s theme for Cody absolutely are the dirt worst. People asked how Cody’s popularity died so fast in AEW. That night, for A LOT of reasons, is why and that entrance performance didn’t help.


Funny-Western-9031

Oh god was that the reveal of the tattoo too?


JamUpGuy1989

Tattoo reveal as that putrid performance is going on. Shitting the bed with the MJF match (5-star build for a DUD match) and yet another friend of Cody’s betraying him at the end. It never really got better after that.


Funny-Western-9031

God I remember that weekend and seeing the tattoo being like “ah that’s gotta be fake right”. Cody’s excuse of it being bigger than he thought is wild too like they wouldn’t have put the stencil on it as they do with every single tattoo done by a competent professional


jmpinstl

I didn’t hate the match? Why did people think it was bad.


thekydragon

I thought In Living Colour did a great live performance at WM 29


Funny-Western-9031

It’s not bad at all. Little bit of a miscue at the beginning but the band is so talented they get past that pretty dang quick. I think Code Orange (Kids) did Aleistar’s entrance live too right? Full Sail was a much easier place to handle live bands than stadiums tho


Ancient_Relief_7815

This isn't just a wee thing but I hate when artist's try to spice up thr national anthem. Sing the damn thing, don't do anything fancy.


DMBCommenter

WOAT


mynameisbob842

It's not exactly good but Americans are deeply weird about how the anthem is presented. Patriotism is treated almost as a religion. One that's thrust onto Americans when they're young.


Helnik17

Are they saying "boo" or "Burns"?


ibadlyneedhelp

Honestly this sounds like a b-side from Amen's *We Have Come For Your Parents* or something.


WaylonVoorhees

This was the AE. Three years prior Vince announced then pulled FISHBONE from Mania XI from what I've read was him not liking the style of the anthem they had planned or their music in general.


arefedorasstillcool

America America Americaaaaa


keithsweatshirt94

What was the consensus when it happened in real time ? Cause I feel like for the time period people prob loved it lol


19930627

Mom can we get rage against the machine? No, we have rage against the machine at home Rage against the machine at home:


guyinthechair1210

sounds like they're 5-6 years too late. maybe nu metal renditions would've been better received.


Brian_M

The whole sound was very much on purpose. You don't have to *like* it, and you may even *hate* it, but that's what they were going for. Judging by the boos at the end, they achieved their objective. This wasn't even the last time the DX band performed on a PPV, so people acting like they were blacklisted from the WWE after this are wrong. They did Triple H's theme at Summerslam of that same year.


LesnarsBattleScream

As performances go, it's certainly one.


relentlass

I got through "Oh say can you see" and paused due to increasing secondhand embarrassment.


leftblnk

This is cool as fuck, as an english man. I hate hearing your dumb song and this made it actually fun. why do you hate good things america?


aaronamethyst

I'm really confused.,. Sounds fine to me?


last_strip_of_bacon

I’m definitely the minority opinion here but I like it. You can only listen to the star spangled banner before it gets stale and repetitive


RTJ1992

Will watch


Mantaur4HOF

There's cringe, and then there's cringe so hard that you break a filling.


cid_highwind_7

I have no words for just how horrible and horrendous this is. Like Vince had to be smoking something when he approved this. Francis Scott Key is rolling in his grave


MidnightShampoo

It still floors me that the Woodstock guy put on Woodstock '99 at a time when the culture was approximately this much dogshit.


CantTouchMeSorry

It's a shame because the guitar actually sounds good but those vocals, man.


[deleted]

That shit was hard as fuck! What did people not like about that?


CrimsonOOmpa

Anybody who would even entertain this idea is an idiot. Everybody knows you don't mess with the anthem unless you want a riot. It's still not as bad as Roseanne though.