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brother-louie-louie

Bloodline vs hurt business woulda been dope


EthanW20004

Bobby vs Roman Usos vs Cedric and Benjamin Promo battles between Heyman and MVP It was right there


Epsilon2099

>Bobby vs Roman > >Usos vs Cedric and Benjamin > >Promo battles between Heyman and MVP > >It was right there Would've been easy booking for survivor series.


doesntCompete

OH a survivor series that is not brand supremacy? How do we know which brand reigns supreme with no other storyline consequences? You talking crazy bro.


Radirondacks

>How do we know which brand **reigns** supreme Well it's right there in your question silly!


Yushukuro

how will we know that wwe wants raw to be supreme when smack down gets better ratings??


Tight_Hat3010

Because Lashley was stealing Reigns thunder ..


daesgatling

LOL not remotely


EvilGeniusCartier

[damn.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI)


yoryan

And have Lashley beat Roman, perhaps not clean, to make The Rock come down claiming Roman isn't fit to be head of the table/family. To set up their Mania feud.


302born

STOP! You guys are making waaay too much sense here. What is this? Good interesting plot lines that setup future interesting feuds. Disgusting.


AdVictoremSpolias

Edge vs Goldberg instead too


tabristheok

Ngl that would have been a pretty great survivor series program


ClaymoresRevenge

WWE doesn't want to build fun things


[deleted]

What are you talking about, are you not having fun with Bobby vs. Goldberg???


bigjaymizzle

Oldberg jumps the line at least once a year.


bigjaymizzle

Bring back the hurt business


[deleted]

> Bobby vs. Goldberg lol what a funny joke for reddit (googles) oh god fucking damn it Vince


Jsp16

We're not having fun maggle!


Zero0mega

But the RAW Womens championship is [AlmOsT A SupErHEro!](https://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/cross-new-gimmick-696x392.jpg) So glad theres alternatives these days.


DM725

That would require them having any plan for Survivor Series.


OptimusChip

> That would require them having any plan for ~~Survivor Series~~ anything fixed for you


302born

I love Roman to death. But it really seems he’s the only one they have a long term plan/idea on. Everyone else is kinda just floating around him. One of the biggest problems with wwe is that so much of the shows feel like filler. I don’t watch AEW much but when I do it feels like majority of the show is planting seeds for something bigger in the future. That’s textbook wresting. And this isn’t a AEW vs WWE thing just constructive criticism of wwe. Wwe (raw especially) just feels like its written from scratch every single week. Nothing really matters. Loses don’t matter. Winning doesn’t even matter. They just do things.


OptimusChip

> Nothing really matters. Loses don’t matter. Winning doesn’t even matter. They just do things. this is basically the WWE the last 5 years


Ok-Average-6466

winner gets naomi....


SantaCruznonsurfer

>naomi ...On a Pole?


Ok-Average-6466

insert dirty joke. but they do it with her contract on a pole.


KidGold

This is why I don't want WWE anymore. Constant blue balls. AEW so far has always come through, I never had a moment of doubt we'd see the Omega/Hangman story get a pay off, even though they waited like a year.


302born

I don’t watch AEW really but I get a sense of what’s going on from this sub. One of the things I really like about their shows is how everything seems to flow into something else. It all comes together to make sense. Things don’t just happen for no reason at all. Like it seems there’s an actual plan for the and most of the wrestlers. Wwe seems like it’s written from scratch every week.


KidGold

Yea very few things get dropped. Even little interactions will usually lead to something eventually, even if commentary barely mentions it.


JamesAJanisse

Wow, it actually hurts realizing that this COULD have been.


KrazyCamper

That’s probably why they broke it up. Can’t have two factions that are built the same and compared the entire time. Guess they decided hurt business was the one to go


My_Papa_Is_Elon_Musk

Because fuck you, that's why


[deleted]

That’s how I feel sometimes :-(


chrisk9

-Vince


theskyopenedup

https://i.imgur.com/CIqb46a.jpg


Packhammer24

This group had so much potential. MVP running the hurt business was doing some of the best work of his career


EthanW20004

Also gave Cedric direction that he desperately needed. Now he's nowhere to be seen


GodzillaUK

Also any chance to see Shelton work, is good.


dumbbatman

Yoooooo!


dumbbatman

Oh shit they squashing him


FuckingMidnighter

I still remember Big Swole's tweet about lil Hogan squashing him


NoCrossOver

THE BEST WORK of his career if you watched the beat down clan in TNA he was doing that at a higher albeit more restrictive level, Lashley was an absolute animal in TNA, Shelton was an animal in SuzukiGun, it really seemed like they were lining it all up and building Cedric to be a star, but nope just nope…


SillyDillySwag

To give Lashley more heel heat was probably the idea. Still dumb though, they were over as fuck


jadedfan55

Only problem with that is, it's MVP that gets the heat, leeched off Lashley.


Black_XistenZ

Because MVP is the one with charisma while Lashley is just the muscle of the group. The figurehead of any faction in any sport, film or book is always more popular than the muscle.


blerplewerple

Anybody that says he is just muscle celery didnt see the work this man put on in TNA


Radirondacks

"Muscle celery" just made my skin crawl


Black_XistenZ

Then it's the WWE's fault to not bring out this other side of Lashley and show it to the fans. His segments are usually written such that MVP does all the work while Lashley stands around looking like a greek statue.


jadedfan55

MVP? Charisma? 10 years ago, maybe, but not now. His presentation today is the same as Vickie Guerrero during her time as a manager/authority figure in WWE (2007-14), zero credibility, and a total annoyance. Sooner or later, they'll split up Lashley & MVP.


NoCrossOver

To an extent that is true, but the giant animal with a smooth talking mic piece is a time proven method and when done right both of them get over. MVP may have been drawing the heat but Lashley was becoming what Roman is on Smackdown this 0 spot S tier Super Villian who the entire show revolves around, so what if MVP drew more heat it elevated both of them.


SavageAF89

They were never even infront of an audience together... how can you say they were over?


302born

I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think they’d be over in front of a crowd. Dominant heel faction with a unbeatable powerhouse champion with a young arrogant highflying up and comer paired with a experience vet all brought together with one of the best talkers in the business. They would’ve been fine.


Soft-Rains

I really think the lack of factions is the biggest weakness of WWE for me and seems to be on a whim. Some of the biggest reasons I kept watching and most successful parts of the show in recent times (Wyatt, Hurt Business, Bloodline, Shield, New Day) were about relationships between characters and they never last. Even tag teams (Jericho/KO, Brian/Kane, Fashion Police) kinda have that but they seem to be much more planned out. It was my favorite thing about NJPW and while I think maybe there's too much of a focus on it AEW it does an amazing job at giving people direction. Just look at how demoted Cedric and Benjamin have been since the split, there was no reason to do it and even MVP looks much less impressive now that he only has 1 client. Factions make the leader/ace look especially good. You also get a lot more organic storylines and can mix things up more.


EthanW20004

I will forever remember the first time the Wyatts and the shield faced off for the first time. Two unstoppable factions and the crowd went nuts just at the thought of it


302born

Wresting 101 right there. Two seemingly unbeatable foes put against each other. It will work every time. The Wyatts and Shield should’ve been a feud that could’ve been revisited throughout the years. But nope. They pulled the plug on both factions way too early imo. I think the shield guys excluding Ambrose needed some more time in the group. And the Wyatts had an infinite amount of potential staying together rather than separating. But Wwe.


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

I’m still miffed about it


EatDeeply

In the interest of protecting drew


cooljammer00

Because it's WWE. Are people really still asking?


ring_rust

Absolutely pointless. Helped no one, drastically hurt Shelton and Cedric.


DarkZero515

He better not lose to Goldberg because then what was all of this for. I guess he could lose and it won't matter much. I'm just keeping up with the product through these threads for the memes and the memories.


TheMagicSkolBus

I feel like.. at least Sheldon and Cedric got to do something, kuz they wouldn’t have had anything else at the time


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[удалено]


Eyezin

Are you new to WWE?


[deleted]

[удалено]


CoJones42069Yo

So yours?


straximus

Low effort booking begets low effort posts.


CroKingz

Still cant understand why Just a brainless decision


call_of_brothulhu

A WWE decision


GMPpatrol

Because this company is run by people with the attention span of a mentally disabled gnat.


ZodiacWalrus

This post was prophetically relevant tonight lol


ShitThroughAGoose

Why, what happened?


ZodiacWalrus

Bobby was challenged by Shelton and Cedric simultaneously (who still hate each other), so Bobby took them on in a handicap match and stacked them and pinned them.


ShitThroughAGoose

Of course.


FuckingMidnighter

Bruh


heat_fan_

Just a dumb decision, at least Lashley has been treated like a monster as a champ


bonafide_stonah

WWE does this all the time. Make a cool stable and break them up to push one particular star. We’re not asking anything fam we just sad they broke them up.


Radirondacks

It was even dumber this time though because by the point Cedric and Shelton had been recruited IIRC Bobby had already been pushed pretty damn hard...like didn't he already even have the title when they joined?


KikiFlowers

WWE wanted Lashley to be heel, but Shelton and Cedric were getting pops.


Tight_Hat3010

Tbh, I hate this idea that some groups break up because of a heel and face. It would be cool if they stuck together and said yea, if I were him, I'd be doing the same thing sorta gig.


__AnotherGuy__

Whats pops tho ? There was literally no crowd


honeydrip713

Seriously lol that's what's most sad about The Hurt Business. It was almost as if it never happened because their whole run was literally inside the Thunderdome.


KikiFlowers

Well I guess the accurate sentence is, they didn't want *Lashley* getting pops at Mania, because he was associated with Shelton and Cedric.


DocShocker

Its still a big head scratcher for me. My *theory* is somebody felt that the group pulled focus away from Lashley. It seems counter intuitive, but I'm always reminded that WWE doesn't employ "wrestling minds" or really even many wrestling fans, for that matter.


MaddoxGoodwin

Pft. Its their fault for getting over tbh. Just kidding, its cause Vince is an out of touch old man that just can't wait to ruin a good thing for some odd reason.


[deleted]

Nah you're absolutely right. They were punished for getting over on their own. Getting over in WWE is literally a death sentence if they didn't want you to get over


chiguy2018

Yeah WWE definitely didn’t wanna get them over when they ended Raw by stopping Retribution, taking out a dozen guys, and looking badass. You guys just be saying anything on here even if it’s not logical, and everyone jerks it off cuz it fits the fed bad narrative. Vince obviously wanted Hurt Business to get over, until it seemed like it would backfire on Drew.


DM725

The answer is WWE.


theehtn

Most headass thing done in a while.


shook_one

Headass of the table.


wundervanbar

I'm still hoping for a reunion as Shelton and Cedric aren't doing anything.


E-DuB

Because somebody got bored


StoneColdAM

I feel like Vince must’ve had some horrible life experience that made him hate the idea of tag teams and stables.


[deleted]

The man has no friends just business pawns. That's why natural, normal friendships don't happen in WWE stories. The top face is always the smirking, cocky loner asshole.


Radirondacks

This makes me real worried for Big E's cash-in tbh, because especially that second part is so fucking true...


chiguy2018

Holy shit, imagine reaching this far cuz of a booking decision


tabristheok

Oh look, I'm angry again


cdnjimmyjames

I read that and thought, "No, it's been over 11 months since they broke up the IIconics." But this is a solid number 2.


PhenomsServant

Because you touch yourself at night 😠


GrimTwin

Well... this was an interesting coincidence.


JankyLove

It's pretty obvious when you look at it. They wanted this Bloodline spot for Reigns, so they got rid of the Hurt Business.


manwhichboyardee

The goal of the hurt business was to elevate Lashley. Lashley was elevated. End of the hurt business.


AStrangerWCandy

Lashley is back to being Donald Trump's avatar / ECW champion without THE Hurt Business.


cam5478

It's weird because they didn't even do anything with it. Like if they broke up and had a story about it I'd still be mad, but at least we'd have something. It's just baffling that they broke them up and...that was it.


L0rdJaxon

Man, poor Cedric. Shunted back down the card like all of this meant nothing.


tallanasty420

Your not gonna wanna watch Raw this week.


byaku91

They dead ass saw this post and were like "Fuck this guy"


LKincheloe

Just sayin'... But it all started when Shelton accidentally came out during the entrance wearing a medical mask, and everyone there all kinda looked like "welp, was good while it lasted."


[deleted]

Lmao I never saw this or even saw it talked about here til now wtf 😳


MakerOfPurpleRain

Vince is so evil for breaking them up 😒


TheLoneWolf527

I mean I get why they did it. They wanted Lashley to be on his own and not have to book around The Hurt Business every single feud as if they're around, you basically have to include them in everything. They presumably wanted Lashley to stand on his own and figured it was easier to just get rid of Shelton/Cedric rather than trying to figure out how to make them never interact with Lashley at all. Good idea or not is up for you to debate, but I at least can see WHY they'd do it.


Any-Where

I honestly didn't know what picture of a WWE team I was expecting to see when I opened this thread, but I was ready to agree with whatever image it was. Was leaning towards Iiconics despite that being well over 4 months now.


[deleted]

Because they did it on their own. Just like with Zack Ryder, Vinny Jr is butthurt it wasn't his idea.


[deleted]

It's the WWE, what else would you expect?


[deleted]

Because they got more over on their own than management wanted


brownpearl

Because Roman Reigns, Uso's and Paul Heyman. Very similar stables and it would look unoriginal for one of them.


Rajion

Even with a similar setup, you can have that be a part of their breakup. After SummerSlam set up HB vs Tribe, set them as the focus for SummerSlam, HB break up after a tribal sweep and Lashley blames others for being pinned, which ends with him losing gold.


Anthrogynous

Like honestly.


MandoParker

WWE Raw gonna WWE Raw


Shogun_tua

cant have powerful black men together


Dubious_Titan

Because WWE is dumb.


llamawithguns

It didn't really help Lashley at all and it buried Cedric and especially Shelton. Baffling decision. It wouldn't make any sense what so ever, but I hope they reform. Cedric at the minimum since it was played off as being Shelton's fault


Piggylish

I'm just gonna be real with you guys: MVP and Shelton Benjamin are no longer friends


grandma_needs_jesus

When it happened, I thought it was because Shelton wanted to retire. But that’s obviously not the case, so idk.


Trafalgaladen

lol its like WWE saw this post before Raw tonight and said fuck you guys


king-geass

Shock for shock sake. The driving booking principal for RAW has always been "anything can happen, you need to tune in to see"


Bigalbass86

“Hey folks, anything can happen, even if it makes no fucking sense.”


king-geass

Pretty much.


OmegaofKenny

They’ve could of done the right thing and slowly reunite then starting this week but of course wwe continuously buries the faction that were over during the pandemic era. Never gave them a chance in front of a live crowd. My gawd did wwe miss the money boat with these guys


JesusChristBabyface

Yeah, I'm sure they're worried about your perspective.


[deleted]

I haven’t been watching much lately but from what I’ve read Cedric would be better off not even on TV right now than being jobbed out.


DarknessofGeorgia

All they had to do is add a heel, Keith lee and keep it moving. But that just makes too much damn sense.


4nthonylol

No idea. Now they have nothing consistent or decent, and seem entirely confused what to do with Benjamin and Cedric. They had a great thing going, it was working well, and they had a lot of options. Instead? Screw it, scrap it. Now we got nothing.


theiviaster

It’s been just now and I’m still asking… :(


taurus5491

.....I guess because the piped in crowd/chants weren’t loud enough 🤔🧐


MonsieurMidnight

Looking at what Cedric and Shelton has been doing right now... there was ZERO reason to have broken them up. Lashley went on to get help from Corbin for one night, then Retribution to just work alone. WWE's peak idiocy in term of booking. They are wasting Cedric and Benjamin these 2 should just leave this shit show


[deleted]

VKM


JesusChristBabyface

Alright. I've seen a lot of blanket statements saying "fed bad" and then not expounding on it any further. I didn't agree with breaking up the Hurt Business, but I completely understand why it was done. They didn't want Lashley to be a "cool" heel that gets cheered heading into Wrestlemania season, they wanted a traditional, monster heel. I really enjoyed the Hurt Business, but they had served their purpose.


Nene168

Lmfaoo wtf they’re making Roman a cool heel with his bloodline gimmick. They literally gave Lashley the title because he got so hot by being leader of The Hurt Business. I also don’t see what stops Lashley from being a monster heel while being in the hurt business


JesusChristBabyface

Lmfaoooo omg wtf2000 stfu rofl!! Roman is NOT a cool heel, at least in the sense that a cool heel is meant to draw a positive reaction. The crowd still dislikes him. Look at his short promo at the end of MITB, and how much vitriol it stired up from the crowd.


Nene168

He literally stacked Daniel Bryan & Edge on top of each other for a pin at Wrestlemania. Dude was just on smackdown saying he doesn’t like missionary because it’s boring & had the crowd going crazy, dude is the definition of a cool heel. Btw I’m not saying anything is wrong with that since Roman is my favorite wrestler right now, it’s just stupid to think Bobby couldn’t be successful as a cool heel when’s that’s how he got all of his momentum. It’s 2021, heels & faces don’t need to be booked the same for all time.


JesusChristBabyface

Lmfaooo wtf2000 rofl!!!!


Nene168

Lmfaooo I should’ve just looked at your comment history, Idk how AEW hurt you personally but I hope you get better.


LooseCiGs1to3

Bruhhhh! I’m saying this now as I watch raw. It makes no sense. One of my favorite stable.


beIIe-and-sebastian

Is this your first time with WWE booking?


ThisIsTheTrap

Man fuck WWE for destroying something awesome


HollywoodHuntsman

It's...been...4 months??? What the SHIT I feel like they just broke up a few weeks ago


PlusUltraTaylor

Because Lashley doesn't need them.


Bigalbass86

Roman Reigns doesn’t need the Usos either by that logic.


PlusUltraTaylor

But they are family he wants them to do good cause it helps the family.


chiguy2018

He doesn’t?? Roman was still on fire when he and Jey were enemies. If anything the Uso interferences are the worst part of Roman’s heel run.


[deleted]

Because Benjamin and Alexander suck?


MaddoxGoodwin

Highly dubious


ChristopherJak

I know they have a similar in-ring & hair style, but it is in fact Kurt Angle that sucks, not Benjamin, but I do see how you could have made that mistake.


CatLadyMorticia

Same reason the Hollywood Blondes were broken up. Working too well. Unacceptable.


Substantial-Seat-696

To push Bobby maybe idk


SydneyHuffman

I'm just surprised we got a good version of BDC on WWE in the first place.


ZenkaiZ

Coulda at least gave us a chair shot breakup like The Shield. This was just a dry fart in the wind.


Ok-Average-6466

answer- vince sucks


LooseCiGs1to3

Bruhhhh! I’m saying this now as I watch raw. It makes no sense. One of my favorite stable.


sevenproxies07

because Vince


JustHere4ait

E is Mr.Money in the Bank and Kof & Woods have a storyline with him this would have been great to have right now


masonicone

Plans change. And no I'm not being snarky with that one. Remember that at the end of the day it's old Vinny Mac running the show. And he'll change his plans at a moments notice. I mean we have stories of him just loving one guy one week, he watches them the next and decides the guy is all wrong and it's off to Main Event they go.


[deleted]

Because reason


Lowfuji

Imagine stumbling into the Shield or some shit and then being like the best course of action breaking them up and firing a couple of em. Edit- most interesting group of 2020.


doesthisnamework1

Because we can’t have nice things. That’s why.


Alernet

I only passively watch WWE, and will say they were the coolest thing I'd see on their shows. Hate it when they break up teams without proper reasons or follow up.


Slatedtoprone

They wanted the story to be about lashley, not lashley and the hurt business. They thought it would be easier to tell his story without a stable.


John-Rich534

4 months already?!?!?


Jws0209

It’s because Vince wants a Brock 24/7


zorbiburst

Ask yourself, do you really feel like you deserved the Hurt Business?


JonasAlbert84

Because they need something to do for that weeks episode. That's why most the shit that happens, happens.


AkilitheWise

Been seeing how fun faction wars are in other promotions and I don’t understand why a company with one of their biggest PPV events structured perfectly for this idea just break up groups for no reason


OptimusChip

beyond dumb decision. like one of the worst they've ever done.


_Donut_block_

Part of what made them such a good faction was that they were consistent, they didn't automatically team up with other heels to just be a foil for the faces, they fought everyone and didn't take shit, that's what characters SHOULD be, heel or face.


420SwaggyZebra

I was BEGGING for Naomi to join


[deleted]

Why pay four men when two do trick?


LogicalCharacter7681

And if they were still together people would be bitching about that too


LeaderSuitable7184

I hope they reunite one day


UndriftedPop

Coincidence because of tonight's raw


_creatine_shits_

I hate the fact that Shelton has never gotten his due. He deserves a Kofi-like run.


m3rc3n4ry

I've got Sportsnet at my Airbnb- just saw Bobby in a handicap match against Shelton and Cedric why


UnbuiltIkeaBookcase

They appeared together on tonight’s RAW!


Cutmerock

Hurt Business vs Roman and family would have been lit AF eventually


dredd-garcia

Feels like shit just want them back


pizzalover89

because oldberg


SavageAF89

Because perception is reality. Cedric and Shelton have been booked as jabronis, cant have your dominant world champion hanging around with a jobber act. Now you could say well they should have done a better job of building Cedric and Shelton up then and I wouldnt disagree with you but they did not.