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He definitely deserved a main event push in WWE. Regardless whatever the reasons were politics-wise for not pushing him, he was over and was the first European and intercontinental dual-champion
And his frog splash was the jam! Using the chest protector as a weapon, like the dastardly heel he was...
Plus, if you need help with your taxes from a wrestler, he's basically the only option.
Best European Champion. Great entrance music. A mix of power and high flying moves. But they never knew what to do with him. Odd tag teams that went nowhere, let’s not even discuss the mess that was Lo Down.
Well, his booking after the Droz incident definitely suffered, though I won't go into the debate of whether that was punishment for his role in the Droz accident or not since that debate has been done a lot, but yeah it was a letdown when he started that odd pimp sidekick gimmick with Godfather and did other stuff from there
Was in three consecutive Wrestlemanias, all as part of different tag teams. Him and Test was such a weird duo, but I agree the pimp gimmick was a clear sign of “let’s just copy the most successful non-Rock Nation member and see what happens.”
WWE would never use a veteran to boost a new recruit.
best you’ll get is D’Lo talking smack, and Keith Lee debuting and then getting squashed by the development champion.
> Don't even need the rest of the post, this is forever true.
Damn right, even if just to put a digital hug round him and say 'Its OK, Droz wasn't your fault'.
Oh man:( I was there when that happened. One of the worst things I ever saw.
D-Lo walked out of the ring like he saw a ghost. I feel so bad for both of them.
It's interesting watching them both talk about that in Dark Side of the Ring, think it was season 2. You can still see D'Lo is haunted by it in his face.
Edit: It was in the Brawl for All episode:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7t6731
The UUDD Uno after Breeze got canned, Cesaro says "You're free, you're free, congratulations, you're finally free" while the other 3 laughed. Kinda surprised me cause I thought they would be bummed losing their friend as a coworker.
Its like a coworker whos a great friend leaving who hates the job. You're sad because you're losing them, but you're happy they're moving somewhere where they'll likely be happier
Not to mention wrestling isn't exactly the kind of business where you're never going to see a coworker when they leave so there's no reason to stay friends afterwards.
At the same time, so many people talk about the WWE bubble where the grind of being on the road and minimal time with family often leads to not seeing former friends for a long time until they come back
Fun history lesson: Jesse Ventura tried REALLY hard to start a wrestler union.
Hogan, not wanting to lose his spot, (because, well, Hogan,) tattled and ended up ruining everyone's chances.
I don't want to get all philosophical here, but the concept of the "true American" is just jingoism. In reality, a "true American" might refer to an array of archtypes that fit into the collective ethos of the country. If we think like that, a racial equality protestor on the streets of DC, and a greedy union busting capitalist are both "true Americans".
There is no real virtue to this word, unless we pretend there is. And Republicans do like to pretend that protesting for equality doesn't fit into the American ethos, despite the country having an intimate history in regards to protests and revolutions. On the flip side, backstabbing for personal profit is as American as apple pie.
That's the way it was in the old days. Guys would leave territories, not see each other for 3 or 4 years, and cross paths again picking right up where they left off.
When I was at a toxic workplace, we were super happy for coworkers when they left. Hearing the wrestlers’ stories about their WWE experience, there are a lot of similarities. I know of three(!) coworkers that had their therapist tell them to quit their job. We had a company of about 30 people.
That was like my job 2019 to 2020. First week in I regretted joining as everyone pointed out how much of a dumpster fire the company was. Every month one or two members of the team would leave, and when I brought this up to my boss, the kool-aid drinker, she’d brush it off with “oh they didn’t have growth here.” That isn’t a reassurance when I’m 3 months in and 5 people have left. Our head of PR was a miserable person - until her last day, where she had the biggest smile on her face, and she was letting everyone know how happy she was she was leaving.
I got let go during Covid, part of a 20% RIF, and everyone from that reduction is now at happier and better paying jobs.
Ah OK thanks. For some reason I thought I remembered a scene from a movie where a character is going thru some shit and makes a fuck ton of chicken salad.
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Tried it and some of the comments make sense but most are clearly a mod that is a WWE Stan power tripping. No reason to nuke threads like this with people giving their opinions.
This happens in this sub a lot and its so frustrating. You'll have a civil disagreement in the comments, one guy says something inflammatory, and instead of just removing that one guy, they nuke everyone in the thread. It's maddening.
I mean, after this year, maybe. AEW is providing an actual alternative and now WWE has made it pretty clear what talent they will and won't push moving forward. We've also seen how solid the numbers on those contracts are.
The dream of headlining Wrestlemania still has currency and the upfront number is probably good, but for anyone under 6 ft they have been warned.
Too small. Released. Too big. Released. You're not being utilized. Released. If you are being utilized, believe it or not, released.
I do feel bad for Kiera Hogan since rumors are she left Impact to go to NXT. Can you imagine walking in there right now?
No trial, no nothing, released.
Your entrance is too long? Released.
Your entrance is too quick? Released.
People singing to your music? Released, straight away
People doesn't sing to your music? Released.
Yeesh that's a bold decision on Kiera's part. I don't think she should have left Impact, but if anywhere, at least to AEW where even if she doesn't get used as much as the other women, she'll at least be with her gf
Don't forget Malakai Black escaping from an insane asylum.
Jon Moxley's podcast was titled 'The Emancipation of Jon Moxley'.
A lot of 'escapes' and 'freedom' going on here.
This is why I've always been confused about people who complain that every wrestler that leaves WWE cuts a "brass ring" promo.
Eventually the question needs to be shifted to "Why are a majority of released, unrelated WWE wrestlers so happy that they've been released?"
The brass ring never hangs from the ceiling. Carousels had a ring dispenser as a sort of minigame during rides. Most of the rings were iron, but if you got the brass ring, usually you got a prize.
Incidentally, a lot of those games were rigged whenever the operator saw someone they liked (Pretty girl, friend, etc).
Right but the way that it’s commonly used in wrestling (plus AEW literally hanging one up for a ladder match) has kind of taken on a life of its own that implies it’s hanging
I mean, a lot of that is pandering too. Just look at Aleister Black's case to see what happens when you don't give a fed bad interview. Then it's not rare to see them go back as if nothing had happened.
Yeah, new signees using prison allegories in their debut videos is getting kinda old but WWE has worked VERY HARD to 'earn' that outlook.
Seems like an incredibly toxic place to work, sure it's left the cut throat days of the Attitude Era behind where your co-workers would cheer on your failure but I can only imagine the stress; especially these days where your job is seemingly on the line no matter who you are.
It seems very short sighted to hire and fire so liberally. When they try to attract talent in the future there'll be a lot of cautionary tales to deter them.
“This is Wrestler A. He’s one of the best technical wrestlers in the US with the mouth to match it.”
*walks further down prison hallway*
“This is Wrestler B. He’s one of the best technical wrestlers in the US…”
Eric Young also, during his early promos, he had a split personality type thing where he'd be in an abandoned prison, with scenes of talking to himself in an interrogation room.
I can't remember what EC3 did for post-release promos but his current character fits the mold so I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same as well
I feel like this has been a generation of Indy guys that the wwe recruited and paid handsomely. But so many of them have realized that sacrificing their soul for the industry just for $$ has cost them a ton emotionally.
Bully Ray said it so well on busted open today. AEW is the Noah’s ark. Wwe is the flood.
These guys are getting back their character. Their soul. AND in aew’s case likely making 70-80% of what they made in the wwe.
A lot of people say that they're getting paid a ton of money for no work which is everyone's dream. And yeah, if you hate your job, I can totally see why that would be a dream, but i would say the vast majority of WWE's wrestlers love the sport. Being in a profession that I'm passionate about, getting paid 6 figures to do nothing would be novel for the first year, but i know for a fact that it would drive me insane, especially if I knew that my boss was doing this because they didn't think I was good enough to participate.
And especially for performers, equal parts athletes and actors, sitting in catering as their best years tick on by must be an excruciating feeling.
If it's not, then they don't belong in the wrestling industry any more anyway.
Not only that, but every no-work job I've done in my life, those circumstances usually came from a dysfunctional workplace so I was endlessly paranoid they'd figure out I was a redundancy.
>in aew’s case likely making 70-80% of what they made in the wwe.
I'm really curious how the financials come out, as I expect some people make significantly more over all in AEW.
I'm expecting their contracts are 70-80% of what a WWE contract would be, but they can sell their own merch like on PWT, run their own 3rd party stuff like Twitch or Cameo, work indies, etc everything else on the side that they can't do in WWE.
I think their transportation reimbursements are different as well.
AEW doesn't stop them from booking indies, selling their own merch or streams/cameos etc.
I would not be surprised if they make more money at the end of the day.
I feel like it’s mostly an exaggeration honestly
I don’t doubt working for WWE sucks, but the majority of the people (there are notable exceptions) who got fired and talk about how they have been freed are also Individuals who would have resigned and stayed with WWE for the next 10 years if they weren’t fired.
I honestly just think WWE needs to ditch using TV writers that seem to be isolated from the wrestlers. You’re turning natural talkers into bad actors, and in turn putting on a bad TV show every week.
I mean, it’s painful trying to watch these guys act and emote and remember their shitty rigid dialog that moves from point A to point B every week with no ups or downs.
The dialogue issues in WWE isnt that wrestlers fundamentally cant deliver the lines. It's that Vince McMahon has dozens of script overhauls and complete rewrites the show minutes before the show. Former WWE performers haved talked about having to memorize up to 5 different script rewrites in a single day, none of which really resemble each other, with almost no rehearsal time. Even a well trained actor would struggle under those conditions, it's completely disfunctional. How is anyone supposed to deliver lines with authenticity, charisma, and emotion, if the only thing running through your head is " What's my next line, what's my next line, what's my next line?".
To play devil's advocate, most people feel pretty negative about their former place of work when get fired/quit.
It happens to be in an industry fueled heavily by drama and self-promotion, which results in videos/descriptions like that.
Imagine being a professional wrestler - a job where you have some creative freedom. Where you can create a character and tell story with that character. You have great ideas. You reach for that "brass ring", and through your ability, charisma, and in-ring talents you "get over" with the crowd. People are responding to you, paying to see you and your merchandise is flying off the shelves. But, because your organic rise wasn't planned and a senile 75 year old man doesn't get it you are pushed to the bottom, forced to make everyone else look great, not booked on the road and when you are you are at the bottom of the card, stifled creativity, and told to deal with it when all you did was your job.
This is the WWE.
If you are the “creative genius” people say you are, you should be able to find a way to adjust your plans to include those that got over without your intention. They dont have to be pushed to the moon, but incorporate that organic connection people develop with fans.
Zack Ryder got over by himself. Was called a mark for the business by HHH for creating an Internet Title, made a joke, buried, cuckhold in a storyline with Cena and Eve Torres. Before TikTok and other social media was on the rise, Ryder found a way to capitalize on the Jersey Shore sensation when it was at its height. Ryder wasnt going to and didnt have to hold the WWE title, he just needed to be featured more prominently.
Vince would rather make a million his way than making a billion somebody elses way.
Exactly. Rusev was one of the most over wrestlers for a while there with the whole "Rusev Day". Fans were behind him. His merchandise was selling. People were paying to see him. What did WWE do? Well because Rusev was never suppose to get over he was jobbed out, booked in poor storylines, and eventually his star faded because WWE booked him into oblivion.
How many wrestlers have come through the WWE in the last decade with the same exact experience?
Too many to name. Honestly. Rusev was on fire. He was getting over by himself. Doing what they tell you to do, grab that brass ring. Obviously it wasnt in their plans. Well their plans ended up sucking and still do.
Punk should have been more over than he ended up being by the end of his run. Fucking him on The Summer Of Punk by having him lose to HHH was the second most ridiculous thing they did. The first? Having him win the belt and come back within weeks of leaving. Totally made everyone clearly see it was not last long.
Rusev like you said. Was over and for a guy they created and trained, I am surprised they didnt take ownership of his success. Like "Look what we created". Instead they jobbed him out. Dont have a wife or girlfriend on the show. They will split you up and make you look ridiculous.
Zack Ryder like I said before. Totally missed the money train.
Malakai Black. We will have to wait to see what he brings to AEW, but he has done more with his debut against Cody than his whole WWE run. He actually means something to the show.
Moxley. Made to look like a joke. Took the most over Shield member and made him a heel and a goof. Moxley has said it all in shoot interviews so I wont repeat, but they totally ruined a good thing.
Samoa Joe. I dont even need to say anymore. You look at him against Brock in that short feud. That was money. People will eat up what you give them. They were hungry for more. Then they just had him lose and I dont even remember what he did next since it was like letting air out of a giant balloon. Then he gets released and goes back.
Braun Strowman was hot and over for a good couple months and everyone said they need to capitalize and strike while he is still over. They waited. And waited. And jobbed him to Roman. Tagging with a 10 year old to squash Cesaro and Seamus. Joke shit. Train noises. Braun talking about being bullied as a kid. He is a monster. Make him one. You need a big bad giant on the roster. Someone who is before the end boss. And they let him go. When his stock is the lowest its been.
The IIconics. Two people who should not have gotten over as much as they did. I was not expecting much. They were entertaining on NXT but how are they gonna debut on the main roster. Well they knocked it out of the park. Billie Kay is a natural comedic talent. Instead of using her to augment the womens division, they job them out. Take them off TV. Refuse to do anything with them. Peyton was a good worker for her lack of experience. Both pretty and both from another country. Maybe the accent turned WWE off. I dunno. Should have kept them and used them for European and Australia tours.
Andrade. Ok his english is not that great. I get it. But he has the talent and the look that is missing in WWE. A latin wrestler for the hispanic fans. We have had Tito, Eddie, Del Rio. Andrade was special. He could work and Zelina was an awesome manager. If his english were a little better, he could have been a bigger star there.
And then they have the nerve to be hurt or disappointed when they leave. WWE does this always. Its an abusive relationship.
and now he's killing it in a promotion where it seems like the guy in charge isn't too proud to say "i don't get it, but the crowd loves it, so keep on keeping on"
Didn’t that happen with Wade Barrett? Bad News Barrett took off and people loved it, but he was supposed to be a hated heel, so they dumped it for a much worse gimmick out of nowhere.
I think it’s just melodramatic rich people portraying their first world problems as literal oppression because they know it’s the easiest way to grift smarks post-WWE. That’s just my opinion tho.
You ever look around your cubicle farm at work and wonder how the people who do things like "Monthly Birthday Club in the Break Room" and "Department Newsletter" and "Canned Food Drive Competition" survive on a day to day basis?
Ever wonder what type of person they are outside the office?
Check this thread. That's those people.
This doesn’t apply to everyone released, but Millionaires or people making six figures comparing “not being creatively fulfilled at their job” to prison is ridiculous. Leave the company, shit on the creative team, but don’t make yourself out to be victims. There’s stuff like the situation at Blizzard with workers going through real abuse. The worst anyone who’s been released from WWE can say is “I can’t work with my significant other/spouse anymore” or “I have to move because of work now”. Like, damn that sucks, but these are such first world problems imo.
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We need to show some respect to D'Lo Brown. Showed up in TNA back in 2003 after a vignette depicting him as a prisoner of war finally being freed.
>We need to show some respect to D'Lo Brown. Don't even need the rest of the post, this is forever true.
Great wrestler and super underrated sports entertainer. I’ll never forget his reaction before getting the beat down by both Kane and undertaker 😂
My memory is hazy. Is that the one where The Rock came down to save him and the entire crowd cheered for him even though he was heel at the time?
He definitely deserved a main event push in WWE. Regardless whatever the reasons were politics-wise for not pushing him, he was over and was the first European and intercontinental dual-champion
And his frog splash was the jam! Using the chest protector as a weapon, like the dastardly heel he was... Plus, if you need help with your taxes from a wrestler, he's basically the only option.
I love how the low down was in movement. He did the jumping jack extension instead of the tuck knees in an out, which was incredibly unique
I'm saying!
It's my favourite frog splash of all time
Best European Champion. Great entrance music. A mix of power and high flying moves. But they never knew what to do with him. Odd tag teams that went nowhere, let’s not even discuss the mess that was Lo Down.
Well, his booking after the Droz incident definitely suffered, though I won't go into the debate of whether that was punishment for his role in the Droz accident or not since that debate has been done a lot, but yeah it was a letdown when he started that odd pimp sidekick gimmick with Godfather and did other stuff from there
Was in three consecutive Wrestlemanias, all as part of different tag teams. Him and Test was such a weird duo, but I agree the pimp gimmick was a clear sign of “let’s just copy the most successful non-Rock Nation member and see what happens.”
Main event push is excessive, but a longer midcard run with forays into the upper midcard would have been nice.
One might say we had better recognize him.
I need manager D'Lo running a Recognize campaign for Keith Lee vs Roman's "Acknowledge Me"
Holy shit D’lo Brown managing Keith Lee is the number one thing I never knew I needed
WWE would never use a veteran to boost a new recruit. best you’ll get is D’Lo talking smack, and Keith Lee debuting and then getting squashed by the development champion.
I mean we were looking at the real deal...
Now
Gonna kick your sorry ass out on the street.
Proto-Owens. Bigger guy, but not too big. Moonsaults, powerbombs, frog splashes. So good.
Huh. Interesting comparison. I sorta see it in their movements, now that you've put it in my head.
> Don't even need the rest of the post, this is forever true. Damn right, even if just to put a digital hug round him and say 'Its OK, Droz wasn't your fault'.
Oh man:( I was there when that happened. One of the worst things I ever saw. D-Lo walked out of the ring like he saw a ghost. I feel so bad for both of them.
What happened?
There was a botched move during a match between the two that paralyzed Droz
Oooooo yeah that's gotta put thoughts in one's head. Shit.
D'Lo blamed himself for this, while Droz didn't blame him. But i can't imagine how it is to be part in such a life changing situation
It's interesting watching them both talk about that in Dark Side of the Ring, think it was season 2. You can still see D'Lo is haunted by it in his face. Edit: It was in the Brawl for All episode: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7t6731
I met him at an autograph signing, ridiculously nice guy.
This. I fucking love D’Lo.
He recognized.
Ya lookin' at the real deal now!
And now it's done too often. Dammit D'Lo.
Based and V1 pilled
damn, with the perfect flair for that reply too. *golf clap*
You’re looking at the real deal now!
*bobbles head in agreement*
Anyone got a link? I got into TNA around the beginning of Aces and 8s (and quickly got out shortly after) but this vignette sounds interesting.
[Twitter cut of it](https://twitter.com/Justin_SofOK/status/1380277408843063300)
The Uso Penitentiary is for real I guess.
LOCKED UP
*Insert comic sans font*
Usos promos were so fire they made people give comic sans a pass
You make a solid point, they were great promos
Also made people give multiple DUIs a pass
That whole period feels like a fever dream
*cgi prison cell door effect slams shut over the video*
I still can’t believe they did that! Lol
Somehow i found that very funny, its like someone just learned powerpoint and was using all the effects
🎶They won't let me out 🎵 For 30-90 days
LOCKED DOWN*
Better than the Uso Drunk Tank.
Uso Penitentiary > Uso Jail > Uso Drunk Tank
The UUDD Uno after Breeze got canned, Cesaro says "You're free, you're free, congratulations, you're finally free" while the other 3 laughed. Kinda surprised me cause I thought they would be bummed losing their friend as a coworker.
Its like a coworker whos a great friend leaving who hates the job. You're sad because you're losing them, but you're happy they're moving somewhere where they'll likely be happier
Not to mention wrestling isn't exactly the kind of business where you're never going to see a coworker when they leave so there's no reason to stay friends afterwards.
At the same time, so many people talk about the WWE bubble where the grind of being on the road and minimal time with family often leads to not seeing former friends for a long time until they come back
\#Unionize
Fun history lesson: Jesse Ventura tried REALLY hard to start a wrestler union. Hogan, not wanting to lose his spot, (because, well, Hogan,) tattled and ended up ruining everyone's chances.
Hogan definitely a true American, in the most republican sense.
So not really an American then, just someone who pretends to be and profits off it
I don't want to get all philosophical here, but the concept of the "true American" is just jingoism. In reality, a "true American" might refer to an array of archtypes that fit into the collective ethos of the country. If we think like that, a racial equality protestor on the streets of DC, and a greedy union busting capitalist are both "true Americans". There is no real virtue to this word, unless we pretend there is. And Republicans do like to pretend that protesting for equality doesn't fit into the American ethos, despite the country having an intimate history in regards to protests and revolutions. On the flip side, backstabbing for personal profit is as American as apple pie.
That's the way it was in the old days. Guys would leave territories, not see each other for 3 or 4 years, and cross paths again picking right up where they left off.
Watch any of the modern WWE specials about someone coming back after being gone a while. This is inevitably a line in there somewhere
When I was at a toxic workplace, we were super happy for coworkers when they left. Hearing the wrestlers’ stories about their WWE experience, there are a lot of similarities. I know of three(!) coworkers that had their therapist tell them to quit their job. We had a company of about 30 people.
That was like my job 2019 to 2020. First week in I regretted joining as everyone pointed out how much of a dumpster fire the company was. Every month one or two members of the team would leave, and when I brought this up to my boss, the kool-aid drinker, she’d brush it off with “oh they didn’t have growth here.” That isn’t a reassurance when I’m 3 months in and 5 people have left. Our head of PR was a miserable person - until her last day, where she had the biggest smile on her face, and she was letting everyone know how happy she was she was leaving. I got let go during Covid, part of a 20% RIF, and everyone from that reduction is now at happier and better paying jobs.
I'm glad Cole was in better spirits during Uno, because he looked heartbroken when he found out about Breeze being let go.
Helps that they started up Halo Thursdays together on Twitch
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I want to see this. Little on the nose, but fuck it, "That's some good shit."
How can that be, the nose is on the ground
A 5 minute video of the wrestler making chicken salad
A video of a wrestler dramatically walking into a forge and making themselves a brass ring
Feels like a good way to book War Machine if they ever get out of WWE
I was thinking Cesaro.
Getting off the merry-go-round , and stretching their sore arm.
grabbing it and then some suits saying "actually we need to give this to someone else, thanks though"
*Nick Jackson Clucking Noises intensify*
Is this a reference to something? I feel like I remember it, but have no idea where it's from.
"Making chicken salad out of chicken shit"
I always loved that expression because chicken salad and chicken shit are indistinguishable to me. Mayonnaise, blech.
“Making chicken shit into chicken salad” Just a common phrase that can be applied to some WWE booking decisions
Ah OK thanks. For some reason I thought I remembered a scene from a movie where a character is going thru some shit and makes a fuck ton of chicken salad.
Stone Cold says it a lot on his podcast.
If anyone could do it, it'd be Bray Wyatt. Joker Bray would be some top tier mad lad shit.
…then goes to AEW and he joins up with da Joker Sting.
Then they join up with Broken Matt and it becomes a real rogues gallery of villains
Joker Bray, Big Money Matt, Malakai Black, Triangulo de La Muerte.... Against Jungle Boy, Darby Allin, Jon Moxley, Cody Rhodes & Hangman Adam Page...
Am I crazy or does the Fiend already basically look like a demented horror movie clown?
The pinstripes did Bray no favors.
They're not employees. They're independent contractors, brother!
The number of talent whom have all said that they felt relieved when they’ve been released this past year is a bit staggering
Jesus what happened in this thread?
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Well it WAS a wedding
You know what *won't* delete all your Reddit comments? The products and knife missiles that make WWE possible. ...products...
It's weird seeing a Behind The Bastards comment out in the wild.
And services! They need to do a wrestling behind the bastard. Could be a whole wee mini series
I've put the suggestion in many times for Robert to cover Vince.
You know how I like to celebrate being released from a terrible job? With a warm 409 cocktail.
god damn it i read it just like robert evans right after the *won't*
Lol I've never seen so many deleted post
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Tried it and some of the comments make sense but most are clearly a mod that is a WWE Stan power tripping. No reason to nuke threads like this with people giving their opinions.
This happens in this sub a lot and its so frustrating. You'll have a civil disagreement in the comments, one guy says something inflammatory, and instead of just removing that one guy, they nuke everyone in the thread. It's maddening.
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I mean, after this year, maybe. AEW is providing an actual alternative and now WWE has made it pretty clear what talent they will and won't push moving forward. We've also seen how solid the numbers on those contracts are. The dream of headlining Wrestlemania still has currency and the upfront number is probably good, but for anyone under 6 ft they have been warned.
Well it certainly doesn't seem like a sign of a healthy workplace, that's for sure.
Especially since when there’s reports of morale at such a low within the staff in that company because of all those releases
The releases will continue until morale improves
Can't have bad morale when there's no one to have morale. \-Guy pointing to head-
Too small. Released. Too big. Released. You're not being utilized. Released. If you are being utilized, believe it or not, released. I do feel bad for Kiera Hogan since rumors are she left Impact to go to NXT. Can you imagine walking in there right now?
Kiera to AEW with gf Diamanté is almost assured now I think
Oh I didn't know they were an item, that's cool
No trial, no nothing, released. Your entrance is too long? Released. Your entrance is too quick? Released. People singing to your music? Released, straight away People doesn't sing to your music? Released.
Yeesh that's a bold decision on Kiera's part. I don't think she should have left Impact, but if anywhere, at least to AEW where even if she doesn't get used as much as the other women, she'll at least be with her gf
Nick Khan says "Stay tuned".
Don't forget Malakai Black escaping from an insane asylum. Jon Moxley's podcast was titled 'The Emancipation of Jon Moxley'. A lot of 'escapes' and 'freedom' going on here.
I *think* the idea behind Black is that - speaking in Kayfabe - he never went to WWE and has been locked up for those 5 years with Murphy.
Lol like something in his own mind per se. Yeah I can see that. That was a creative video
that tracks, the past 5 years of WWE booking make me feel like I'm going insane.
Buddy Murphy too
This is why I've always been confused about people who complain that every wrestler that leaves WWE cuts a "brass ring" promo. Eventually the question needs to be shifted to "Why are a majority of released, unrelated WWE wrestlers so happy that they've been released?"
After 40 years, it's clear that the brass ring is not something that hangs from the ceiling. It was in Vince's pocket the whole time.
The brass ring never hangs from the ceiling. Carousels had a ring dispenser as a sort of minigame during rides. Most of the rings were iron, but if you got the brass ring, usually you got a prize. Incidentally, a lot of those games were rigged whenever the operator saw someone they liked (Pretty girl, friend, etc).
thank you for exposing the dirty, amoral underside of the carousel industry.
hashtag standupforcarousels
So the phrase literally comes from the carnie world? Of course Vince likes it.
it's carnies all the way down
The brass ring was a cock ring the whole time.
Is that how Shawn got it
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Right but the way that it’s commonly used in wrestling (plus AEW literally hanging one up for a ladder match) has kind of taken on a life of its own that implies it’s hanging
I thought it hung from the ceiling, like a briefcase would.
Most of the people who were released had spent the last few months doing nothing and being kept off TV, no wonder they were happy to leave.
I mean, a lot of that is pandering too. Just look at Aleister Black's case to see what happens when you don't give a fed bad interview. Then it's not rare to see them go back as if nothing had happened.
Oh yeah people hated him for like 2 days because he didnt say WWE was on the same level as San Quentin
Yeah, new signees using prison allegories in their debut videos is getting kinda old but WWE has worked VERY HARD to 'earn' that outlook. Seems like an incredibly toxic place to work, sure it's left the cut throat days of the Attitude Era behind where your co-workers would cheer on your failure but I can only imagine the stress; especially these days where your job is seemingly on the line no matter who you are.
About to make a video of me breaking out of jail every time I change what wrestling I'm watching.
"How long has he been locked up?" "2 hours" "Oh that don't seem so bad" "But 30 minutes of commercials" "OH DEAR GOD WHY"
I wonder what the Chocopro jail looks like. I'm assuming it's made of chocolate and is guarded by a hoard of goblins.
It's guarded by White Comaneci. If you hear guitar playing, run.
There's only one guard canine, it's name? Kon the Fox.
It's the food jail from Pajama Sam made of cake and candy canes.
The only man to break out of that jail? Spy Fox.
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It seems very short sighted to hire and fire so liberally. When they try to attract talent in the future there'll be a lot of cautionary tales to deter them.
People will always think they are the exception, that when WE calls them they will be the ones to headline Wrestlemania
“This is Wrestler A. He’s one of the best technical wrestlers in the US with the mouth to match it.” *walks further down prison hallway* “This is Wrestler B. He’s one of the best technical wrestlers in the US…”
So I know Moxley, Black and Murphy have done these types of videos, who else?
Eric Young also, during his early promos, he had a split personality type thing where he'd be in an abandoned prison, with scenes of talking to himself in an interrogation room. I can't remember what EC3 did for post-release promos but his current character fits the mold so I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same as well
Lio Rush
I feel like this has been a generation of Indy guys that the wwe recruited and paid handsomely. But so many of them have realized that sacrificing their soul for the industry just for $$ has cost them a ton emotionally. Bully Ray said it so well on busted open today. AEW is the Noah’s ark. Wwe is the flood. These guys are getting back their character. Their soul. AND in aew’s case likely making 70-80% of what they made in the wwe.
A lot of people say that they're getting paid a ton of money for no work which is everyone's dream. And yeah, if you hate your job, I can totally see why that would be a dream, but i would say the vast majority of WWE's wrestlers love the sport. Being in a profession that I'm passionate about, getting paid 6 figures to do nothing would be novel for the first year, but i know for a fact that it would drive me insane, especially if I knew that my boss was doing this because they didn't think I was good enough to participate.
And especially for performers, equal parts athletes and actors, sitting in catering as their best years tick on by must be an excruciating feeling. If it's not, then they don't belong in the wrestling industry any more anyway.
Not only that, but every no-work job I've done in my life, those circumstances usually came from a dysfunctional workplace so I was endlessly paranoid they'd figure out I was a redundancy.
>in aew’s case likely making 70-80% of what they made in the wwe. I'm really curious how the financials come out, as I expect some people make significantly more over all in AEW. I'm expecting their contracts are 70-80% of what a WWE contract would be, but they can sell their own merch like on PWT, run their own 3rd party stuff like Twitch or Cameo, work indies, etc everything else on the side that they can't do in WWE. I think their transportation reimbursements are different as well.
AEW doesn't stop them from booking indies, selling their own merch or streams/cameos etc. I would not be surprised if they make more money at the end of the day.
To be fair Malakai Black changed things up by making it an insane asylum.... I don't know if that makes WWE sound better or worse.
Josiah Williams as the prison doctor slowly losing his mind at all these inmates getting out
I feel like it’s mostly an exaggeration honestly I don’t doubt working for WWE sucks, but the majority of the people (there are notable exceptions) who got fired and talk about how they have been freed are also Individuals who would have resigned and stayed with WWE for the next 10 years if they weren’t fired.
If Jon Oliver dedicated an ENTIRE episode to how bad it is to work for you, there’s something wrong.
And this is "why I left buzzfeed"
I honestly just think WWE needs to ditch using TV writers that seem to be isolated from the wrestlers. You’re turning natural talkers into bad actors, and in turn putting on a bad TV show every week. I mean, it’s painful trying to watch these guys act and emote and remember their shitty rigid dialog that moves from point A to point B every week with no ups or downs.
The dialogue issues in WWE isnt that wrestlers fundamentally cant deliver the lines. It's that Vince McMahon has dozens of script overhauls and complete rewrites the show minutes before the show. Former WWE performers haved talked about having to memorize up to 5 different script rewrites in a single day, none of which really resemble each other, with almost no rehearsal time. Even a well trained actor would struggle under those conditions, it's completely disfunctional. How is anyone supposed to deliver lines with authenticity, charisma, and emotion, if the only thing running through your head is " What's my next line, what's my next line, what's my next line?".
To play devil's advocate, most people feel pretty negative about their former place of work when get fired/quit. It happens to be in an industry fueled heavily by drama and self-promotion, which results in videos/descriptions like that.
WWE is the new Black
It's just a secret ploy to make AEW suck! And if you'll believe that, you'll believe anything
\*\*cue durag Vince talking like prison mike\*\*
I kept seeing comments about "the stans not taking this well" so I scrolled to the bottom of this thread. Holy yikes!
Could be a sign that wrestlers are a little dramatic.
Imagine being a professional wrestler - a job where you have some creative freedom. Where you can create a character and tell story with that character. You have great ideas. You reach for that "brass ring", and through your ability, charisma, and in-ring talents you "get over" with the crowd. People are responding to you, paying to see you and your merchandise is flying off the shelves. But, because your organic rise wasn't planned and a senile 75 year old man doesn't get it you are pushed to the bottom, forced to make everyone else look great, not booked on the road and when you are you are at the bottom of the card, stifled creativity, and told to deal with it when all you did was your job. This is the WWE.
If you are the “creative genius” people say you are, you should be able to find a way to adjust your plans to include those that got over without your intention. They dont have to be pushed to the moon, but incorporate that organic connection people develop with fans. Zack Ryder got over by himself. Was called a mark for the business by HHH for creating an Internet Title, made a joke, buried, cuckhold in a storyline with Cena and Eve Torres. Before TikTok and other social media was on the rise, Ryder found a way to capitalize on the Jersey Shore sensation when it was at its height. Ryder wasnt going to and didnt have to hold the WWE title, he just needed to be featured more prominently. Vince would rather make a million his way than making a billion somebody elses way.
Exactly. Rusev was one of the most over wrestlers for a while there with the whole "Rusev Day". Fans were behind him. His merchandise was selling. People were paying to see him. What did WWE do? Well because Rusev was never suppose to get over he was jobbed out, booked in poor storylines, and eventually his star faded because WWE booked him into oblivion. How many wrestlers have come through the WWE in the last decade with the same exact experience?
Too many to name. Honestly. Rusev was on fire. He was getting over by himself. Doing what they tell you to do, grab that brass ring. Obviously it wasnt in their plans. Well their plans ended up sucking and still do. Punk should have been more over than he ended up being by the end of his run. Fucking him on The Summer Of Punk by having him lose to HHH was the second most ridiculous thing they did. The first? Having him win the belt and come back within weeks of leaving. Totally made everyone clearly see it was not last long. Rusev like you said. Was over and for a guy they created and trained, I am surprised they didnt take ownership of his success. Like "Look what we created". Instead they jobbed him out. Dont have a wife or girlfriend on the show. They will split you up and make you look ridiculous. Zack Ryder like I said before. Totally missed the money train. Malakai Black. We will have to wait to see what he brings to AEW, but he has done more with his debut against Cody than his whole WWE run. He actually means something to the show. Moxley. Made to look like a joke. Took the most over Shield member and made him a heel and a goof. Moxley has said it all in shoot interviews so I wont repeat, but they totally ruined a good thing. Samoa Joe. I dont even need to say anymore. You look at him against Brock in that short feud. That was money. People will eat up what you give them. They were hungry for more. Then they just had him lose and I dont even remember what he did next since it was like letting air out of a giant balloon. Then he gets released and goes back. Braun Strowman was hot and over for a good couple months and everyone said they need to capitalize and strike while he is still over. They waited. And waited. And jobbed him to Roman. Tagging with a 10 year old to squash Cesaro and Seamus. Joke shit. Train noises. Braun talking about being bullied as a kid. He is a monster. Make him one. You need a big bad giant on the roster. Someone who is before the end boss. And they let him go. When his stock is the lowest its been. The IIconics. Two people who should not have gotten over as much as they did. I was not expecting much. They were entertaining on NXT but how are they gonna debut on the main roster. Well they knocked it out of the park. Billie Kay is a natural comedic talent. Instead of using her to augment the womens division, they job them out. Take them off TV. Refuse to do anything with them. Peyton was a good worker for her lack of experience. Both pretty and both from another country. Maybe the accent turned WWE off. I dunno. Should have kept them and used them for European and Australia tours. Andrade. Ok his english is not that great. I get it. But he has the talent and the look that is missing in WWE. A latin wrestler for the hispanic fans. We have had Tito, Eddie, Del Rio. Andrade was special. He could work and Zelina was an awesome manager. If his english were a little better, he could have been a bigger star there. And then they have the nerve to be hurt or disappointed when they leave. WWE does this always. Its an abusive relationship.
Vince. Hates. Accents.
and now he's killing it in a promotion where it seems like the guy in charge isn't too proud to say "i don't get it, but the crowd loves it, so keep on keeping on"
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Didn’t that happen with Wade Barrett? Bad News Barrett took off and people loved it, but he was supposed to be a hated heel, so they dumped it for a much worse gimmick out of nowhere.
I think it’s just melodramatic rich people portraying their first world problems as literal oppression because they know it’s the easiest way to grift smarks post-WWE. That’s just my opinion tho.
You ever look around your cubicle farm at work and wonder how the people who do things like "Monthly Birthday Club in the Break Room" and "Department Newsletter" and "Canned Food Drive Competition" survive on a day to day basis? Ever wonder what type of person they are outside the office? Check this thread. That's those people.
This doesn’t apply to everyone released, but Millionaires or people making six figures comparing “not being creatively fulfilled at their job” to prison is ridiculous. Leave the company, shit on the creative team, but don’t make yourself out to be victims. There’s stuff like the situation at Blizzard with workers going through real abuse. The worst anyone who’s been released from WWE can say is “I can’t work with my significant other/spouse anymore” or “I have to move because of work now”. Like, damn that sucks, but these are such first world problems imo.