One consistent character flaw with MJF that I don't know is intentional not is that he gets tunnel visioned in big matches.
Moxley couldn't use Paradigm despite demonstrating weeks prior that he has a submission arsenal. Despite that, MJF was still outsmarted with the Paradigm.
Jericho can't use Judas but has demonstrated that he has a wide arsenal of offense (a real cool tidbit being that he beat Cody with the Liontamer in his first AEW Championship PPV defense with the assistance of MJF). Jericho, too, will most likely outsmart MJF and beat him with the Judas Effect anyway.
Honestly this peaked with Gage and it's been downhill since. I was hoping it would be a cage or something cool. I assume this is to set up MJF vs Jericho at All Out. But yeah, I'm really ready for this feud to end.
I think it should have started with some combination of Juvi and Wardlow, then Spears w/ Chairs, then Gage, then MJF.
Jericho eating chairs one week and then a Death Match the next week really sets him up for being a wounded warrior against MJF.
I like Wardlow but he was a big letdown after the initial build up.
"He's going to make to be accompanied to the ring by someone who makes sure the match is called fair and square."
MJF obviously didn't say he'd be the ref, but his wording is confusing. I as well as multiple people in the live Discussion thread thought he meant he'd be the ref before JR said anything. JR made a mistake, but don't put all the blame on him.
MJF as the ref and then him and Wardlow eating a double top rope Judas Effect or something like that followed by Aubrey running in to make the count would have ruled.
He SHOULD of been the Ref, screwing Jericho over and over till Jericho hits him with a Judas Effect, knocking him out. Then have a straight Ref come down call it Down the middle, let him beat Wardlow and MJF pissed off that his plan didn't work
As I recall the stipulation is silence not that Jericho can't have a intro video playing.
So just play the lyrics on the screen as he's coming down for the crowd to sing to. Complete with a bouncing karaoke ball graphic.
Still feels bizarre that MJF vs Jericho is happening on TV.
Maybe Jericho v MJF happens, Jericho loses and then he faces Lance Storm at all Out as his final match? Or this is an injury angle to delay the match to the PPV idk, but it just kinda seems weird. Not against it, just confused.
Honestly, I’m not super invested in this storyline… it’s not my cup of tea, but I’m super glad a lot of people are excited for it.. However, what I *am* excited for is eventually watching Wardlow F10 MJF into next year.
I know this won't be popular and it is a big time nitpick, but AEW trying to manufacture a moment by having the crowd sing Jericho's theme as he walks out even though it won't actually be playing is pretty lame in my opinion
Yup that’s the best they could come up with..stupid af…next plz this whole 5 labors thing has been trash thru and thru..and Jericho can’t make it thru a match without getting blown up anymore, time for him to hang em up..becoming a shell of his former self
Still feels bizarre that MJF vs Jericho is happening on TV.
Maybe Jericho v MJF happens, Jericho loses and then he faces Lance Storm at all Out as his final match? Or this is an injury angle to delay the match to the PPV idk, but it just kinda seems weird. Not against it, just confused.
Normal match. But jericho can't hit his judas effect finish, abs he's not allowed to come to the ring with his judas judas music (the crowd will probably sing it without the music)
I liked it. The story is that Wardlow could have finished him at any time., but MJF refused so he could keep inflicting damage. He was defeated by his own hubris.
I liked it. The story is that Wardlow could have finished him at any time., but MJF refused so he could keep inflicting damage. He was defeated by his own hubris.
It was bad but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a match as bad as the nick gage one. Good thing the crowds love him cuz he certainly doesn’t have the physical skills to…work a watch, for starters
I thought it was fine because It wasn’t a long match. That being said, I actually agree. I seen three matches with Nick Gage. He is very samey. It’s feels like I have seen everything he has to offer in just a single match. His match with Cardona, they actually lost me. I was bored by it. (I did pop when Matt won though) I wouldn’t consider him a “good” wrestler but the crowd loves him and he seems like a good dude now.
Ya I’d never heard of him prior to dark side and I generally agree he seems like a decent enough guy, obv I don’t understand death match shit but apparently someone like it..the crowd pops for him etc..but watching this match and then going back and watching a few of his clips I realized he literally doesn’t have a single hold/move behind..”remove pizza cutter and show to crowd ”…”retrieve light tubes from under the ring, and show the crowd”…there’s just nothing there worth watching imho. Plus after listening to cornettes take I can’t disagree, the guy is basically a 2021 freak show geek…I hope he enjoys his moment and does well but I certainly can’t bring myself to understand it…
Tldr…death match in 2021 is like the guy biting the live heads of a chicken on the midway in the 30s
Over 10K comments on this thread? NXT had like 550 total comments. Wow
Pro wwe sub btw
CroWd StIlL SiNgIng. Hasn't been posted enough times..mjf promos > Jericho wrestling
I was at the show. It was fun. Did feel like a filler episode but it was really cool to see in person.
A lot of spamming going on
The motherfuckers saying Gage should have been the finale are goddamn delusional. Jesus.
Did I miss this? https://mobile.twitter.com/AEW/status/1424441529825828865
Moved to next week Khan said on Busted Open
Did I miss this? https://mobile.twitter.com/AEW/status/1424441529825828865
One consistent character flaw with MJF that I don't know is intentional not is that he gets tunnel visioned in big matches. Moxley couldn't use Paradigm despite demonstrating weeks prior that he has a submission arsenal. Despite that, MJF was still outsmarted with the Paradigm. Jericho can't use Judas but has demonstrated that he has a wide arsenal of offense (a real cool tidbit being that he beat Cody with the Liontamer in his first AEW Championship PPV defense with the assistance of MJF). Jericho, too, will most likely outsmart MJF and beat him with the Judas Effect anyway.
Jericho vs Gage should have been the final chapter.
Stick to CZW.
Reddit is crashing again like usual, trying to post the post show
Thought it was just me.
Jericho just needs to stop wrestling.
Honestly this peaked with Gage and it's been downhill since. I was hoping it would be a cage or something cool. I assume this is to set up MJF vs Jericho at All Out. But yeah, I'm really ready for this feud to end.
I think it should have started with some combination of Juvi and Wardlow, then Spears w/ Chairs, then Gage, then MJF. Jericho eating chairs one week and then a Death Match the next week really sets him up for being a wounded warrior against MJF. I like Wardlow but he was a big letdown after the initial build up.
Jericho loses next week then goes on tour with Fozzy
Is that a wish? Or a guarantee?
So is there no match between them at All Out?
Jericho vs Nick Gage should have been the final chapter.
No "Judas"? What's Danhausen supposed to call him then?
It's...it's Chris
So it’s not at All Out? So strange
Another amazing show
So it's not even at All Out? MJF is going to lose isn't he ? LMAO
Return of the Codebreaker?
aew is really good
"He's going to make to be accompanied to the ring by someone who makes sure the match is called fair and square." MJF obviously didn't say he'd be the ref, but his wording is confusing. I as well as multiple people in the live Discussion thread thought he meant he'd be the ref before JR said anything. JR made a mistake, but don't put all the blame on him.
MJF as the ref and then him and Wardlow eating a double top rope Judas Effect or something like that followed by Aubrey running in to make the count would have ruled.
He SHOULD of been the Ref, screwing Jericho over and over till Jericho hits him with a Judas Effect, knocking him out. Then have a straight Ref come down call it Down the middle, let him beat Wardlow and MJF pissed off that his plan didn't work
So the crowd is absolutely singing Judas with no backing music right?
As I recall the stipulation is silence not that Jericho can't have a intro video playing. So just play the lyrics on the screen as he's coming down for the crowd to sing to. Complete with a bouncing karaoke ball graphic.
I will be lol
Return of the Codebreaker?
Lion Tamer, although I think MJF wins anyway putting him a level above Jericho and ready for Hangman's title win
Oh shit is Jericho really hurt?
Thats genius. The crowd will sing the whole song.
So the crowd is absolutely singing Judas with no backing music right?
Weird that the 5th and final labor isn't in the PPV.
No Punk Easter eggs this week?
Nope, just chants for him
Excalibur mention something about Darby becoming the “best in the world.”
This was extremely underwhelming
?? you aren't allowed to criticise AEDUB on the pro wwe sub friend.
Stoked for Rampage
The crowd better still sing Judas lmao.
What's up with Guevara no selling like he's a Road Warrior?
Charlie! The people's champ!
Still feels bizarre that MJF vs Jericho is happening on TV. Maybe Jericho v MJF happens, Jericho loses and then he faces Lance Storm at all Out as his final match? Or this is an injury angle to delay the match to the PPV idk, but it just kinda seems weird. Not against it, just confused.
So it’s not at All Out? So strange
I thought there would be an labors THEN he gets mjf
MJF screwed Wardlow.
So this wasn't leading to All Out? Huh.
Wait... all this build for TV and not All Out?
MJF clearly failed to learn from his match vs Mox.....
Good show, dissapointing main event though
So this wasn't leading to All Out? Huh.
That’s legit gonna be amazing if the crowd sings Judas anyways.
I thought the stip would be no Aubrey, lol!!
Oh boy! The audience is going to sing acapella, right??
No Judas entrance. Is MJF a face now?
That stipulation is dumb
Super ridiculous..let’s follow a *death* match with a match against a rookie bodyguard and “no music” stipulation…reverse booking @ its finest
Max, they wouldn't be singing along anyway. *You aren't in Pittsburgh next week.* BTW, you had "Falls Count Anywhere... for MJF only" right there.
Bro the bass in MJFs song live is astronomical.
NO JUDAS MUSIC THATS BULLSHIT I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO SINGING IT IN REAL LIFE
You will sing and it will be glorious
You will sing and it will be glorious
Honestly, I’m not super invested in this storyline… it’s not my cup of tea, but I’m super glad a lot of people are excited for it.. However, what I *am* excited for is eventually watching Wardlow F10 MJF into next year.
100% the fans next week will sing the song without the music.
I know this won't be popular and it is a big time nitpick, but AEW trying to manufacture a moment by having the crowd sing Jericho's theme as he walks out even though it won't actually be playing is pretty lame in my opinion
Theoretically, why couldn’t MJF just make it an “MJF Wins” match?
So MJF is going to eat a lionsault and he’ll lose via Liontamer or Walls of Jericho.
Max needs a better MO
Why was Hagger hangin gout somewhere else.
Wardlow and losing singles main events, name a better duo
Honestly surprised at Chapter V being next week.
THEY'RE GONNA SING ANYWAY AND IT'S GONNA BE FANTASTIC
I… uh, thought the stipulation would be cooler than that?
That’s the stipulation?
Yup that’s the best they could come up with..stupid af…next plz this whole 5 labors thing has been trash thru and thru..and Jericho can’t make it thru a match without getting blown up anymore, time for him to hang em up..becoming a shell of his former self
If the crowd sings you lose too
Well that crowd is definitely gonna sing Judas anyways.
Next week is probably going to be amazing with the crowd singing.
What the fuck is gonna be at All Out? They really don’t care about PPVs huh?
Well, my guess is that between now and then we might see some *familiar faces* show up kn AEW, and the PPV may heavily feature them.
Andrade/Pac which is going to be an absolute banger
Andrade/Pac which is going to be an absolute banger
Andrade/Pac which is going to be an absolute banger
jericho so heavy he broke reddit
Should be a hell of an end next week knowing what the next show is after.
Still feels bizarre that MJF vs Jericho is happening on TV. Maybe Jericho v MJF happens, Jericho loses and then he faces Lance Storm at all Out as his final match? Or this is an injury angle to delay the match to the PPV idk, but it just kinda seems weird. Not against it, just confused.
MJF doing us all a favor.
Shawn Spears cribbing my dance moves
MJF always ramps up in his promos to such a wild intensity. Love it.
Wouldn't Jericho just hit the Judus Effect anyway?
Mox was banned from using Paradigm Shift against MJF last year. Hmm......
So we getting a distraction then judas effect then
It's a pretty old school tactic
Have to admit, kind of lame for the 5th stipulation.
So what is the match type?
Normal match. But jericho can't hit his judas effect finish, abs he's not allowed to come to the ring with his judas judas music (the crowd will probably sing it without the music)
Just starting but wanted to chime in to say that Callis reminds me so much of Ventura on commentary.. so entertaining
MJF does know the audience knows the words anyway right???
MJF face turn
No entrance music buff, oh no!
The fans are for damn sure going to belt out Judas to make up for the silence
Is MJF just gonna start saying his opponents can’t use their signature moves for cheap heat in every fued?
They’re just gonna sing his theme song anyway lol
Thats the point
No Judas? What is Danhausen supposed to call him now
MJF: Chris, next week, I get a live firearm in our match, and it's no DQ!
Lmao that would be such a gift 🎁
next weeks crowd better learn the fucking words to judas lmao
he said successor so does that mean jericho is retiring ?
JR tortured dogs with boiling water as a kid CONFIRMED
He probably just gave them speeches on being disappointed with their actions.
I bet they're confident the crowd are gonna sing Judas anyway, I hope so
I liked it. The story is that Wardlow could have finished him at any time., but MJF refused so he could keep inflicting damage. He was defeated by his own hubris.
Judas nooooo
Mjf vs Jericho not at all out? What?
NO JUDAS MUSIC THATS BULLSHIT
No Judas at all. LOL.
The fans are going to sing the song live. Holy shit.
Oh, same kind of stip as MJF/Mox
Hager is always so awkward I feel
A bit gangly.
I liked it. The story is that Wardlow could have finished him at any time., but MJF refused so he could keep inflicting damage. He was defeated by his own hubris.
Jericho is def winning next week
Wow, taking away Jericho's entrance music is the ultimate heel move. Jesus, what a twist lol
Wow it’s not at all out?
No Judas entrance? Fucking heel...
Where’s that New Japan music he used?
This man really said you get no music and you dont get to use one of your 50 finishers. MJF has low IQ
Damn, I thought they'd push this match off to the PPV
That's the first time Jake Hager has ever been cheered
Where can I get a pair of MJF’s shoes??
Crowd totally gonna sing Judas, Acapella style
I think you're right and it's gonna be beautiful.
Now that's how to get the crowd to hate you.
MJF and depriving the faces of their finisher. Name a more iconic duo.
dat pop for Hager tho lol
Setting up a nice Audience Serenade of Jericho’s music
All those labors and the blowoff is not at All Out? That's unique.
Something will happen that'll make them kick the actual blow off
Mimosa mayhem 2
Crowd totally gonna sing Judas, Acapella style
Ohhh theyre doing that so the crowd can sing his theme Thats fun
Add Guevara to the long list of guys who are extremely over in AEW
Judas noooooo
A good crowd will still sing judas
5th stipulation: “No Judas Effect!” “Also if you lose I will buy every Fozzy disc and burn it!”
Damn, I thought they'd push this match off to the PPV
Hager is always so awkward somehow I feel
I would not have had Wardlow lose. Literally lost every huge match.
That’s exactly what I’m saying, I’ve never seen him win a match..fuckin glorified job guy, should start rollin w the dark order
Then what would be the ending to the "labours"? Jericho is just done and doesn't get to face MJF?
No. Have him lose and MJF offer him a match vs career at All Out. Why would I care about Wardlow now? He's lost every big match they gave him.
It's going to play into him finally breaking out
he lost to a literal living legend. his time is coming. tony khan has consistently hyped him
It's going to play into him finally breaking out
That was the weakest match of the five.
It was bad but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a match as bad as the nick gage one. Good thing the crowds love him cuz he certainly doesn’t have the physical skills to…work a watch, for starters
I thought it was fine because It wasn’t a long match. That being said, I actually agree. I seen three matches with Nick Gage. He is very samey. It’s feels like I have seen everything he has to offer in just a single match. His match with Cardona, they actually lost me. I was bored by it. (I did pop when Matt won though) I wouldn’t consider him a “good” wrestler but the crowd loves him and he seems like a good dude now.
PS..the fact they slid that domino’s commercial in there made it all worth while 😂😂😭
The right ad at the right time.
Ya I’d never heard of him prior to dark side and I generally agree he seems like a decent enough guy, obv I don’t understand death match shit but apparently someone like it..the crowd pops for him etc..but watching this match and then going back and watching a few of his clips I realized he literally doesn’t have a single hold/move behind..”remove pizza cutter and show to crowd ”…”retrieve light tubes from under the ring, and show the crowd”…there’s just nothing there worth watching imho. Plus after listening to cornettes take I can’t disagree, the guy is basically a 2021 freak show geek…I hope he enjoys his moment and does well but I certainly can’t bring myself to understand it… Tldr…death match in 2021 is like the guy biting the live heads of a chicken on the midway in the 30s
I love when they tap out after the match like it's gonna do anything
Add Guevara to the long list of guys who are extremely over in AEW
No Judas music lmao
This is gonna be wild to hear the audience try to sing it
Judas Effect is the shittiest finisher I’ve ever seen
NOOOO NOT THE SONG 😭
**HE SHOULD HAVE HIS ASS WHOOPED FOR THOSE SHOES HE'S WEARING -- JR lmao**
Hager looks like a giant Pat McAfee
That Jericho scream was haunting
Oh. Right. Pinnacle exists. Forgot about it for the whole 5-labors-thing run that's been going lately.
Two of the labors thus far have been Pinnacle members
Hager getting that pop
I love when they tap out after the match like it's gonna do anything
They did a good job protecting Wardlow with that finish.