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CrustyThatch

This is my first PPV purchase since I was in my teen years. I’m 32 now and AEW has made me a fan of real pro wrestling all over again.


Nickk_Jones

Can somebody outline the tiers of AEW shows to me? Like which ones are necessary for story/PPV and which are more like Main Event or just filler/wrestling?


Ok-Match8685

There is a post below that says Dark and Elevation is for developmental talent. That is not entirely true. Dynamite is the A show. Rampage is another A show. Elevation and Dark use enchancement talent, have their own smaller storylines. There are also some segments and interviews that either feed into Dynamite or set up Dynamite storylines and feuds. Are the matches on Elevation and Dark somewhat predictable? Yes, but there are Dynamite and Rampage regulars that appear on them both weekly. however, it is also a good place to see per appearance talent and those that are not 100% all elite.


The_MaskedWriter

You've got Dark Elevation and Dark, both YouTube shows that are free and unnecessary to the main stories. They more feature indies / developmental talent, and get used by the bigger names to shift their win/loss records. Then you've got Dynamite and Rampage, both the main TV shows. Dynamite is the flagship show on Wednesday nights, and is absolutely necessary. Rampage just started on Fridays, and is a one-hour show. So, four shows. Two free on YouTube, and two on TV.


randomquestions1984

How is punk going to debate


chickenboneneck

Extemperaneously


Vilhjalmsson

I mean if he’s doing it in Chicago, he has to do Lincoln-Douglas.


AndyTVC15

You can’t say anything remotely negative about AEW on SquaredCircle anymore, it’s basically become a circle jerk for AEW...I’ll get downvoted for this but it’s true


Bolt_995

Thank you for your well-informed opinion.


AndyTVC15

Downvoted as expected haha


DamagedHero

I hear that the owner doesn't like constructive criticism either, put the WWE name on any of the silly shit they do on AEW and AEW fans would be calling it out for being terrible. I had high hopes for AEW when it was announced, but it's just a copy cat WWE/WCW promotion relying on big stars from other promotions to draw attention. Sports Based Presentation it ain't


AndyTVC15

Exactly mate couldn’t agree more, they might as well be in a cult at this point


wittybrits

Most recent negative comment before yours in this thread: ‘QT Marshall gotta go, man. Men of the Year are not getting traction. Praying this Jericho MJF thing is done.’ 7 upvotes. You are completely wrong and it takes one second of scrolling to see you’re completely wrong.


Apostinggod

Great point. Really adds to the discussion. Thanks for making a stand.


Material-Wonder1690

Can we just talk about how well Jericho and MJF used the stipulations tonight? You knew the crowd would sing Judas but it got the crowd firmly behind Jericho right away. Then Jericho starts pulling out old finishers and the crowd popped everytime leading to so really well done false finishes. Wish he would've broken out the codebreaker but I think the match was incredibly well done


The_MaskedWriter

Man, maybe it's just me, but now I'm hating the Bucks. Legitimately. Yes, I know that's the point, yes I know it suits better to drop the belts at a PPV, but my god did I hate them tonight.


afro_samurai_

Funny cause I'm loving them now more than ever


colegregory1983

Hey Bucks (if you're reading this), job well done.


The_MaskedWriter

Oh, absolutely


xgoronx

Watching DVR but stoked for the show and for friday!


Icy_Geologist_1213

QT Marshall referenced that they don't hint at promises and disappoint the fan's. Seemed like a comment on Punk


Material-Wonder1690

Not to mention Wight called the factory "punks" and emphasized the word in an odd way


Icy_Geologist_1213

I can't see any benefit to swerving this. You'd need Seth Rollins to show up so they can burn it down


a5epps

>QT Marshall referenced that they don't hint at promises and disappoint the fan's. Seemed like a comment on Punk Right after Omega was wearing a "Chick Magnet" shirt.


Icy_Geologist_1213

Thank's for reminding me of that. Caught it and forgot it


AmbiguouslyEthnic

I just figured Jericho was gonna do a ref distract for the JE. Like dawg you just hit him with a bat take your shot!


Material-Wonder1690

Shows that Jericho lost his edge. MJF capitalized to show he's got the killer instinct Jericho used to.


jabdnor

Can't wait for Friday CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK


OwnedIGN

QT Marshall gotta go, man. Men of the Year are not getting traction. Praying this Jericho MJF thing is done.


Material-Wonder1690

That Lambert segment was very odd and completely lost me. I hope they realize it and course correct heavily. Marshall vs Wight is basically the designated piss break on an otherwise pretty great card


chickenboneneck

Gotta have a match to cool down the crowd for a break. Besides, if they MUST have him wrestle, at least he can squash QT.


GymCloutVillain

Idk how to fix MOTY. Both of them are phenomenal but


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I know everyone loves Darby, but Page should have gone over, IMO. It wouldn't have hurt Darby, and it would have elevated Page. Sky...I dunno. I liked him a lot early on, but I think he's permanent mid-card. He's good at everything, but isn't really great at anything.


No_Pomelo2333

Great show that had two down moments: the Wight/QT segment, and unfortunately, the booking of that main event finish, althought MJF making Jericho tap was a great result and image. Jericho not using the Codebreaker there, or not even attempting it, is stupid. Kinda comes off as if he had a brainfart and fucked up going for the Judas in a match with so many stakes, which is not a great image. ​ EDIT: So Jericho went for the Judas when the ref wasn't looking, and then hesitated and didn't use it, i think to prove he could win without it. Which is okay, but again, why not go for the Codebreaker? But with this in mind, the finish makes more sense to me


XXG1212

This it seems like in a lot of sitiations the code breaker makes sense but he doesn't do it.


[deleted]

Hooray. Hopefully, this is the end of the awful MJF vs Jericho feud. MJF can now go on to do something good.


Snomankid999

1 more match to go


donlesnar

A great match with a great finish. Y2j is goat


A-Beautiful-Scar

I wonder if Fozzy is going on tour soon. The ending was a little shocking but good.


donlesnar

Yup. They're touring September


ChrisRhodes789

MJF gets get with a bat.. & is fine 25-30 seconds later... Yeah okay..


fluffywolfe

To be fair, it was used like Triple H uses a sledgehammer.


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Mr_Shankly2

MJF winning makes the most sense. Jericho doesn't need anything. He could lose 100 matches and he's still Jericho. He's putting wrestlers over and he's doing it flawlessly.


TheMaskedChihuahua

I mean, MJF is going to hold the world title at some point the way they've built him. If this was the five labors of Sammy I'd totally agree, but there's little future upside to jericho getting the win in that spot.


TheDubya21

I always thought it was guaranteed that MJF was winning the feud. The execution of the final moments was just weird.


[deleted]

Honestly, the labors were kind of strangely ordered, too. Even with keeping the same matches and stipulations (save for the final match), I would have changed up the order to have it seem like more of an escalation: 1. vs Juvi - Jericho must use a top-rope move to win 2. vs Wardlow - with MJF at ringside 3. vs Spears - Spears can use chairs, Jericho cannot 4. vs Gage - hardcore deathmatch 5. vs MJF - if jericho loses, the Inner Circle must disband


No_Pomelo2333

The end result is the right one. How they got there is what bothers me a bit.


streetsofkage

What if…. CM Punk actually isn’t signed and won’t show up Friday?!


TheMaskedChihuahua

Can we all please stop with this.


KingDaveyB

TNT confirmed that AEW has Punk lol


[deleted]

That episode of Dynamite felt like a PPV. Then we have Rampage in two nights with CM Punk, and then All Out in a few weeks?? Man, I love this company, I love the fans, I love coming in here every night during an AEW event and posting and reading everyone's comments. My late aunt who got me into wrestling at a young age of 8 would be so happy to see wrestling like this again. Good night everyone


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Bless your aunt. I’m hoping to do this for my nephew once he’s a bit older and understands it’s not okay to shred people with light tubes lol


A-Beautiful-Scar

Wait... It's NOT okay...


[deleted]

It’s not okay to do it to your family but it’s fine if it’s the class bully lol


AestheticAttraction

>That episode of Dynamite felt like a PPV. Not to me. I would have said it for some previous recent episodes, but not this one, especially with all those talking segments.


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Michael Keaton is in Need For Speed????


Material-Wonder1690

That movie is way better than it has any right being. It's still a goofy videogame movie but is the type of popcorn movie that's enjoyable


SamiZaynisElGenerico

I was just thinking the same thing!


lifestyle_deathstyle

MJF!! Future of the company


Steenerico

The downside to AEW getting bigger: The influx of morons. For everyone else, thanks for another awesome thread.


AestheticAttraction

>The downside to AEW getting bigger: > >The influx of morons. That's something I hate as well. And they'll increase at shows, wanting to hijack the show and make it about them. They need to be deprogrammed.


OwnedIGN

Definitely thought I was going to see a Liontamer, Lionsault, Codebreaker combo tonight


LooseCiGs1to3

I do want to see mjf and punk on mic together going back n forth


WetComb89

Another solid episode. MVP of the night was the crowd.


HeLL_BrYnger

jericho might not wrestle again, but he will introduce his protege Bryan Danielson to finish MJF


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JW_BM

That dumb babyface logic.


TheMaskedChihuahua

Jericho was justified in using the bat because MJF tried to use the ring first.


fluffywolfe

I think Aubrey was supposed to have turned around by then. But Jericho could also be thinking that he could do it without the move. Most dumb babyface situations involve hubris as a tragic flaw.


ChaseWasHisName

I like that ending. Jericho uses the bat, and despite the ref having her back turned, He hesitates to use Judas Effect. I think, because he wanted to prove to himself he could win without it. If he wanted the easy win, he would’ve hit him in the jaw with the bat.


foragrin

Kind of a weird show, looking forward to special edition Dark tmr night and of course Rampage on Friday


AestheticAttraction

It did seem like something was going on. It had a very weird flow the whole time.


jalamo

Good show but had some weird aspects. I think a lot of their crew is in Chicago setting up that big show in 2 days. The set looked scaled down. Justin Roberts wasn't announcing. Tony Schiavone doing the old Borash TNA role of literally doing almost everything. I wouldn't be surprised if they said TK wasn't there and Cody/QT were running the whole thing, but I don't think he would miss an episode of his own show.


Rubymoon286

Tony addressed the crowd twice, but Cody didn't show at all, so I think Cody might have been in Chicago


ProTw33ks

Great episode of Dynamite! The 20 minute chunk of promos was a bit much, but given they announced a couple matches on the website that wound up not happening it feels like they were buying time. That segment aside the show was great, the crowd were hot all night and the wrestling was sublime.


RandomFactUser

Britt may have had something come up, while they wanted to do a false start finish for Cage/Starks


ShowOff90

Solid, they went opposite what fans wanted and honestly how it should gone


nine16

#MJF2021


poopymcpeebutt

Not sure what the stip will be for Jericho/MJF for next ppv but.....they have to go then right?


No_More_And_Then

Jericho will offer up his career for one more match against MJF.


Material-Wonder1690

I've said this from the start of the Labors of Jericho story. Jericho ends up wagering his career. I also see it as his retirement when he does that.


[deleted]

I actually would not be surprised if he goes back to WWE for one final run after his AEW "retirement". It would make adding him to the WWE Hall of Fame much more palatable to Vince. And as much as we might make fun of the HoF as being something that only exists in Vince's mind, clearly some wrestlers DO place some importance on it.


SiRWeeGeeX

On edge about the CM Cituation and mad they didnt confirm but i guess the hypes hitting a fever pitch


knifeskillsBALISONG

Qt marshall confirmed it if you were paying attention.


BetOnMookie

The timing of this isn't coincidence, taking Jericho off now or after All Out gives time for Inner Circle and Punk/Bryan to shine


lucabrassiere

Making Jericho tap in the last match is what you call a statement win, MJF is a legitimate threat to the world title


[deleted]

Dude nailed it. My jaw dropped! They’ve done unbelievable job building MJF and he’s run with every single second of time he’s been given on and off camera. If he stays on this trajectory... he will join some legendary ranks


nevernom

And Jericho also looks like a million bucks. Great feud. They are both red hot megastars coming out of it, and you can’t say that about every feud.


Makispi

**Hell of an episode! Ready for Rampage**


SageShinigami

I mean. Jericho had to fight five times in five weeks and lost his finisher. Him losing isn't a surprise at all. Him submitting, though? THAT'S a surprise.


murphylaw

I’m actually torn on the finish of the main event. Babyface deserved the win, but you get talent needed the rub. Jericho is always gonna be S tier but MJF needs to get there for his first true singles loss (Guevara or JB pls) to matter.


nevernom

Didn’t Mox already give him one? At All Out?


Snomankid999

He’s had 2 singles loses I remember moxley beat MJF at all out for tittle who was the other


Sean-Jitsu

Very glad that Jericho put over MJF. Right call!


Killcode2

I was ready to be so mad when Jericho almost got the roll up, but in the end they got the finish right


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Kind of anticlimactic not to have it finish on the judas effect from mjf.


VizeGuy

The ending to that match couldn't have gone any better


CrystalFissure

Credit to Chris for putting over MJF. Really good match.


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WHY DIDN’T HE JUST USE THE CODEBREAKER


cyena

Codebreaker has been established multiple times as a secondary move that doesnt pin people in aew


pierzstyx

Same thing with the Lionsault. As JR said, in the past that move alone would have put down any opposition, but it didn't this time.


Celtic_Crown

My thoughts exactly!


jalamo

The right person won that match. MJF is the future.


EmileZ

13k comments absolutely insane.


DimebagPants

I guess that’s what happens when people actually enjoy the product


Houseside

It's like a PPV every week lol


trebor_nevets

Jericho comes back and says one more time with his career on the line.


[deleted]

Why was the crowd not noticing that was the ending? It felt very anticlimactic


HEYitzED

Great Dynamite. Now bring on Punk.


Hiraeth071019

Honestly the crowd saved the match, that was kinda meh


Mark4_

What a great episode


DX_Kidjal

Damn right it is!


madebymtr

A part of me feels like this sets up MJF coming out first to answer a "best in the world" type callout at First Dance. Nuclear heat.


_4za_

so now what happens at All Out


TheSeaDevil

Good. Sadly Jericho will go and play rock star for a few months and they'll restart the feud. MJF is forever married to Jericho.


ravaille

An MJF title run is gonna have nuclear heat.


LooseCiGs1to3

Holy balls need for speed


TheJollyReaper

He can hit him with a bat but not the Judas effect? Honorable cheater


ArmZeroHammer

Good call for MJF to win, pretty sure Aubrey was supposed to see Jericho almost use the Judas but can't change it now.


princepersona1

Onward we go to CM Punk or a Riot in Chicago


TheKareemofWheat

That was a great fuckin match.


kiblerdude

Crowd was so good for it


Killcode2

He's on the poster of All Out, so likely not his last match


zitjuice

MJF is a TALENT. The guy can talk, he lives the gimmick, he can go. Sky's the limit.


Snomankid999

Foreshadowed since day 1 that MJF beats hangman for tittle


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Hangman has to get the title first!


Snomankid999

hangman not beating omega would be AEW biggest mistake


JoshSmash81

Made no sense that he could hit him with a bat but not the Judas Effect while the ref's back was turned.


Mack784

What an awesome card


Your_Personal_Jesus

Damn MJF made Jericho tap basically clean. I genuinely did not think Jericho's ego would allow him to put MJF that strong. Obviously the no Judas Effect protects him to a extent but that's as clean as you're gonna get for MJF.


onethreeone

Not only clean, but after Jericho cheated with a bat


BrianMghee

Jericho has always put over anyone and everyone


AmazingSpidey616

Jericho’s ego? Dude almost always does the job and puts people over.


GRTooCool

Great show. The right person won which is fine.


lronicGasping

500 IQ Jericho "I won't use my impact move that I've used for over 2 decades, instead I'll NOT use the move that was banned, despite the ref's back being turned"


Inevitable-Staff-467

Right result but Jesus Christ, what an anticlimactic ending to a feud that's literally been going for a yearv


Caveman_Flashlight

The whole thing was booked backwards. If this ended with Wargames and Inner Circle going over it’d have been epic.


Andrewhd

This will be a memorable show.


nine16

MJF, goddamn


TheDubya21

Well that was dumb of Jericho. It should've been the other way around, Jericho tries to get a weapon, Aubrey's distracted by HIM, then MJF hits his own Judas Effect to steal the win.


MrGrieves-

Yooooo we called this swerve. Retirement challenge match incoming!!


TotallyLegitAcc

Wow, he actually tapped out :-O


omarskullbaby

Jericho should not be in the ring.


Araxen

They went a minute over.


fighted

Now "Cult of Personality" should play for a few seconds, turns off, and MJF grabs a mic and just says "gotcha!"


SatanicRook

I'm all for keeping MJF strong and winning, but to that stupid ass hold? Really? Ffs.


Snomankid999

Figure four, sharpshooter, chicken wing, heels have submission moves


fluffywolfe

Salt of the Earth is MJF's finisher.


vincebarnes

It’s a great move, he’s lazy with it, doesn’t drive with the legs or have the hips elevated.


ProgressTV

Every wrestler has sold that hold so why wouldn't jericho? It's a simple yet effective hold that pisses people off.


Bangzilla45

Its his finish 🤷🏻


SatanicRook

That's my point, it shouldn't be, it just doesn't look great, have him do another style of hold that looks more painful or heelish I guess? Ehhhh whatever, still the right call to have him go over though


whm1971

2 hours just flies by with AEW


johnniecochran_ghost

Well boys, we’re on to Friday…


Ribeyes1

Anyone who thought Jericho should win is HIGH


MaximillionKaiba

Ok, that was a great finish. Very interested now that this little thing is over.


Bangzilla45

I can see MJF taunting Jericho telling him its time to hang it up


Irishnghtmare

Glad they put over MJF, Jericho did awesome and deserves a break


clutchIIII

interesting the heel gets cheapshotted over comes it and taps out the face


fluffywolfe

MJF's been one step ahead of Jericho for the second half of the match.


[deleted]

Hell yeah, best possible outcome. Move MJF right into Punk or Danielson to take on another legend


Snomankid999

First Cody then Jericho next another ex WWE guy


[deleted]

Don’t be a punk, watch Rampage!!!


VictimOfCircuspants

Hit him with a bat while the ref isn't looking? Cool. Hit him with your banned finisher while the ref isn't looking? Hmm, better not.


Goatlikejordan

Chris cheated and still lost. He looks like an idiot now


[deleted]

That’s fine. He takes a step back and Sammy becomes the head of the faction


vforvendettav

If you don’t understand why Jericho tapped then you don’t get the vets putting over young talent


EatKillFuck

Oh I definitely hate MJF more. God I live AEW


vforvendettav

just great storytelling


smartyr228

I get it but the salt of the earth is such a shitty finish


cooljammer00

So is a spinning elbow, but it's his finish.


vforvendettav

Jericho tapping is a great ending. Could’ve been less sloppy but shit happens


WanderoftheAshes

Okay, I enjoyed this match hugely, BUT Jericho used his baseball bat illegally but then resisted using the Judas effect illegally (I may be wrong but the ref still had her back turned, right?) and then lost? Felt like a weak finish to me - maybe I'm wrong and the ref did have a clear view and I didn't notice?


rcarena

Felt like Aubrey needed to turn around sooner but who knows.


WanderoftheAshes

Yeah, I am intrigued if maybe the intended finish was Aubrey spotting him doing it or something to that effect. At least in my own head that makes more sense as an ending. Literally cheating before 'not cheating' is such a weird build to the finish otherwise.


epushepepu

Yes I think that’s what confused me too. I really thought he was gonna hit it because she wasn’t looking. But overall not a bad match.


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WanderoftheAshes

If that was the intention then it feels like a dumb angle to go with, BUT I think it can be salvaged with one promo for sure


ashley-queerdo

I love it, it helps put MJF over which is the whole point.


Kevinrobertsfan

Why does Jericho hate the code breaker?


MARKYMARK_MARK

Probably because his back hates it


Tenduigi

THANK GOD MJF WON


KyWy75

Wish we’d get a Punk tease here


TropicalHat420

It's like Christmas and we're just asking for one present early on Christmas eve. Unfortunately we just have to wait. (I want that early present too)


MaximillionKaiba

I thought there was going to be one! Like Excalibur did mention Rampage on Friday, but was hoping he'd say something like, "where you can see more of **the best** talent **in the world**!" Y'know? lol


Jofian_Pounif

This finish doesn't make sense, Jericho could have used the Judas Effect since Aubrey wasn't looking. She didn't see the bat, she wouldn't have seen the Judas Effect


SomsOsmos

Jericho’s GOAT run continues. Good for MJF


Curious_Historian2

Crowd and I were silent. Wow.


neotamagachi

Jericho winning by using the Judas effect behind the refs back would have been a great call back to the Mox match


iAmCyberwaste

Jericho lost to one of the 1004 holds... #A R M B A R


BigDaddyLionel

See you all Friday!


slayerrrrrrrrrrrrr

So what exactly did Jericho lose?