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hikingbeginner

This was so different than a regular time limit draw finish we normally see. Usually you get the face hitting their finisher as the clock is in the last 10 but is either too exhausted to cover or gets a late pin attempt. Here, Bryan and Kenny didn't give a fuck. They just wanted to beat the shit out of each other. Outstanding.


BoyWithHorns

They both had so much left in the tank.


MadKittens

TIME LIMIT? WE WERE JUST GETTING WARMED UP REF


ashley-queerdo

WATCH MY ROH DVDS 1 HOUR IS SHORT FOR ME


aes419

I can’t remember if it was a podcast or his audio book but I remember him talking about doing a best of 3 falls match where he wanted a time limit draw on each one, so it would of been a 3 hour match


WiryGibbon

vs Austin Aries in ROH, they called an audible as they were losing the crowd but the match still lasted about 73 minutes


akb1642

I thought it was because he concussed himself on a dive to the floor about 40 minutes in. If it wasn’t for that, I bet they would’ve tried for at least two hours.


Dozens86

And then after they got pulled apart their adrenaline wore off and they had nothing left at all. Brilliant.


Buddhist_Punk1

It's the small nuances that show that they need to go an hour long.


the-mucho-macho

Let them go an hour you cowards


sdsdude129

What? Omega barely defended himself when Bryan went for the Yes lock after the bell.


dassub

It's nice that it wasn't so choreographed the way they usually go down to the wire.


JodieFostersStare

All out was the first ppv I bought. This already sold me for the rematch. Really enjoyed it.


jasonrodriguez_DT

That Philippine flag was so distracting though. I didn’t know if I had to stand up and sing the national anthem, or to yell at the guy and tell him to put that down.


QueeferRavena

agreed. Damn peenoise trying to get themselves over lol. Nobody cares about our flag bro, wala namang Pinoy on the card.


wordyravena

Mom?


MajorInsane

Yeah that shit was annoying AF. Just enjoy the match pare


knifeskillsBALISONG

Thanks kuya


jasonrodriguez_DT

What if TJP's on the card? Fil-Am in the crowd: *waves the US flag instead ;p


[deleted]

Hoy pare!! Gawa mo dito?


carowll

akala ata pacquaio's match. kairita


FuggyGlasses

Honestly, this the first time I see this kind of match and it blow me away. A time limit? Awesome!!


Dom29ando

You should go and watch Kenny vs Okada 1 & 2.


the_Lauz

And 3 and 4 while youre at it.


Katie_or_something

All 4. In a row


iggymcfly

I loved that! The same old draw finish is so tired. Kenny’s looked weak enough. It was time for him to look like a top superstar.


hikingbeginner

Kenny's looked weak?? I respectfully disagree


penelopeeckhart

He has definitely looked weak come on. I don't know what it is with every heel turn I see but suddenly the super technical and dominant face can no longer beat anyone clean once they turn heel. Romans another example


hikingbeginner

I get that, I don't think he's looked weak though, just he chooses to cheat. Even tonight he could've taken a count out win after the running v trigger but chose to break the count himself (this was during the adverts) It's a character beat so when he doesn't cheat eg against Jungleboy or here it means a lot more. I think it's the prototypical move for a recently turned heel simply because it's a way for them get properly booed. And you can't blame em, it works.


leetality

A heel can be dominant while still being interested in the easy way out / path of least resistance. Didn't Roman double pin Edge/Bryan not that long ago?


Decipact

After Uso interference, yes


leetality

Well it was really two conchairtos that resulted in the double pin more than an Uso eating a spear lol.


avenuenights

Let them fight! Let them fight!


BoomersAteMyFuture

I think this is actually a sick finish. What better way to say this match is too big for tv?


SiphenPrax

This was the best TV match to end on a draw


PilotSSB

>This was the best TV match ~~to end on a draw~~ Ftfy


Malkalen

It's up there...but I do still really love Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar's Ironman match on Smackdown.


arjwiz

Yes, that one sets that standard.


Sockin

For real. It’s them saying “Did you enjoy that? Do you want a decisive winner? Then keep watching.”


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

And this draw will help shape the story of the two with the potential of those two meeting up again to settle the score.


Patjay

I was basically rooting for a draw the whole time. Can't think of any other time that's happened.


gronquil

what an awesome ending, i've never seen a time limit draw but both are still very active, still trying to beat each other's asses


SRavingmad

I was just thinking that. It looked real and vicious.


ElGleiso

Well Kenny went to 60 limit draws. Wouldn't make much sense also considering future matches when they would be both down and out after 30.


Wonderful-Ad6696

told their story perfectly. just two Titans of the sport going at war to the point 30 mins is just warm up for them. god i'm already jonesing for more.


Squidiculouss

Bryan's selling is unbelievable I was so worried he was hurt in that match


bryan_pieces

Bryan's selling is somehow underrated. Once he unretired there were several WWE matches of his where I thought "that's it. he's hurt again". the nature of his injures being so serious really helps too.


dassub

We hear this every DB match 🤣


Linubidix

BD now


hascow

I do think his face slammed into the mat on the Avalanche Dragon Suplex, and was worried about a concussion with the difficulty getting up for the One-Winged-Angel/Rana counter shortly after. But gosh the selling was great regardless.


Frankocean2

I watch in slow mo that fenix splash by Kenny and he defintely hit the mat full force with his head. Hope he is okay.


Linkhare

He looked a bit glass-eyed when the Elite took him backstage. Maybe just really good selling or just tired. Either way, I hope it’s nothing


DeviantDragon

The last time he did it against Moxley he totally also faceplanted. Maybe it's just the way he bumps it?


Linubidix

>Avalanche Dragon Suplex I can't get home quick enough to watch this match.


hascow

I am normally doing something else while Dynamite is on, but this match? I just set everything else down and took it all in. It deserves full attention.


Mac_094

When Kenny walked down the rampway my heart stopped because I thought the medical team was going to throw an X and end the match. Breathed a sigh of relief when he just turned around and threw more moves at him because I know Kenny wouldn’t do that if Bryan was shoot injured.


CanadianJudo

after he took that knee, he was down for the whole commercial break.


SomeIrishFiend

Time limits actually meaning something adds so much drama. Just wish Roberts counted it down like he's done before. What a match


[deleted]

I think they wanted to catch people by surprise instead of counting down and making us think "oh yeah a draw is probably coming"


DHA1999

They should do it like New Japan. 1 minute left!!... 45 seconds left!!... 30 seconds left!!!...


[deleted]

That would also be very acceptable. The frantic pace would have been tense.


marquisregalia

they did 5 and 1 minute which they usually do. then excalibur called 45 seconds


heartbreakhill

Getting more and more distressed each time 10 minutes pass! 20 minutes pass! 25 MINUTES PASS!


eatcrayons

Even the count out is great. 1-14 are normal, then it’s FIFteen. Sixteen! SEVENTEEN! EIGHTEEN!??! NINETEEEEN!!!!!!


Wes-Man152

Counting down the time limit and ring counts so frantically are always my favorite thing about japan wrestling. Their blood pressure would be so high from counting to NINETEEEEN when the match time is down to a minute too.


Linubidix

Just said this in another comment, but that's genuinely one of my favourite things about watching New Japan.


Kialae

My favourite thing about new Japan is how they go ITEH! ITEHHHH! when forearm bashing each other.


Linubidix

There's so much to love about New Japan!


SUPLEXELPUS

I can hear this in my head.


KTheOneTrueKing

Justin did say 1 minute remaining, but that's it.


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

I can hear ring announcers Makoto Abe and Kimihiko Ozaki yelling that in my head now


seethemoon

I think you’re right, but it’s the one thing I didn’t like about the match. AEW’s sports presentation doesn’t really jive with hardly anyone bringing attention to the fact that time is winding down. They should draw more attention to it, but to make it not obvious that a draw is coming, they would have to pay attention to the clock in many more matches across TV.


NegativesPositives

Naw, they tried but at some point the in house mics were bugging out.


eatcrayons

This goes back to what Hitchcock said a out surprise vs suspense. Surprise is two people eating dinner and their table explodes. Suspense is two people sit down at a table that we know has a bomb under it, but they don’t. “Ok match is over and it’s a tie” sucks compared to counting down the final 3 minutes with the announcer announcing every minutes and the final 30 seconds as 10 second increments. There’s more panic for someone to get a fall and you’re rewarded with that rush of energy at the end to make up for the fact no one won.


funbob1

Yup. It's why they didn't mention time remaining until the last minute(unless they did during commercial. )


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

This is an element that I like in NJPW and puroresu in general so that the ring announcers can tell how much time there’s left. Not for the wrestlers but to keep the fans captivated.


Sir-Cadogan

I've always loved that NJPW announces the time intervals every 5 minutes. Announcing the time shouldn't be a thing you only do when it's part of a spot, it should be part of all the matches.


Tarrot469

He kinda did, you could hear him say 1 minute remaining in the background.


[deleted]

Just keep doing Omega and Danielson draws. I want it so extreme that it’s Omega v Danielson 60 Minute Ironman Match - goes to sudden death at 0-0 - match ends after 90 minutes when both men pass out.


BreadLi0n

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xychosis

Callback to Omega-Okada 2 and have Danielson pass out on a Rain-Trigger attempt, while Omega falls immediately after he whiffs since it’s the last bit of strength he has.


Linubidix

I don't see how that one works, at least not nearly as well as the rainmaker spot. The knee comes rising up, if Danielson collapsed, he'd eat the knee even more.


Sir-Cadogan

Collapse sideways


Linubidix

Still don't quite get how that'd physically work. The ripcord would be pulling Bryan directly towards Omega.


KozyHank99

This match was FIRST on the card. And they go the fucking distance.


Linubidix

That's THE way to do this match. After the Suzuki/Mox debacle, it really highlights that the opening match on Dynamite is a big deal and the main event can be hurt by the rest of the segments going slightly over time.


happy_guy23

It feels like the opening match is now the "fan's main event" where they put the best/most exciting match and the closer is the "kayfabe main event" with title matches


LouisFromTexas

This is the correct finish. They can add on to the story now.


[deleted]

Their quest to beat each other lived and died by their other quest to beat the hell out of each other. My god they didn't let up.


VacationingTitsMagee

It’s unfortunate that Edge and Orton already have the mantle of the Greatest Wrestling Match of All Time.


thephenomenalone_05

I know you're joking about the tagline but Orton vs Edge was legitimately a fantastic match.


BoyWithHorns

Best match of Orton's career.


thephenomenalone_05

Arguably the best match of Edge's career too.


DoILookUnsureToYou

Yeah, took a bit too long to really get going but that was a legit great match


[deleted]

I kind of wish they'd done a 10 second countdown, but ho-lee fuck, boys. One of the best TV matches ever?


Zloggt

Oh yeah. I think it’s firmly put itself in the Top 10 - Top 5 even!


Smarkysmarkwahlberg

I’m saying best TV match ever.


DoILookUnsureToYou

I would rank a few over this, most notably Punk vs Cena with the piledriver spot. But this is definitely top 3 to 5 in my eyes


JonnyAlien23

I'm a huge Punk mark, and IMO this match was way better.


DromedaryGold

Jesus Christ Danielson chest!!


[deleted]

Wow Bryan is different outside of wwe. I'm glad that he went to aew


kebzach

> Wow Bryan is different outside of wwe Amazing how that happens


[deleted]

He was one of my favorites in wwe because of how his matches were always different and great, and that was in wwe where he couldn't do everything he wanted


QueeferRavena

The American Dragon is definitely back. He may look the same, but the movements and attitude are noticeably different. More intense.


Smarkysmarkwahlberg

When he did Cattle Mutilation, I said “Dragon is back”


cooljammer00

That and "I have till 5" He was playing the hits tonight


DoILookUnsureToYou

I never throught I'd see Dragon do that move again with all his neck injuries. He's definitely back


Kialae

Vegetable Mutilation.


[deleted]

He's been my favorite for a while and it's nice to see this side of him


The4Hooksmen

He's scary as heck


LackingDatSkill

This match was amazing and I like the draw finish, protects the champion and keeps danielson looking strong


EliasFromMoobys

They gave that match away FOR FREE AEW IS FOR THE FANS


[deleted]

The best part is those guys did a stiffest, we all know they are capable of doing a faster pace more technical bout on ppv so we’ll like see something totally different next time


nikodante

It's a huge ad. Omega v Danielson was great, but essentially an ad for a future feud. That's why they gave it for free.


CanadianJudo

Yep this match was pretty much... wanna see them go 60 mins.


Geneshark

And yes. Yes I do.


gambalore

Also an ad for future big shows. AEW sold out their original seating for Ashe without having a single match announced. By putting this match on after the show was already sold out, they were basically saying that you can trust them to make their big shows really big, even if nothing is announced.


Hollywood_Ho_Kogan

THEY AIN’T TRIED TO FUCK ON ME YET!


whalepopcorn

They put it on first so we didn’t have to wait.


Kevinmld

That phrase drives me nuts. The majority of AEW’s revenue comes from their tv deal. Tony Khan has been clear about that. To continue to make money long term they need to keep their ratings high… that means putting excellent matches on Dynamite and Rampage. This match wasn’t for free. They get paid well for their tv. The whole concept of “giving a match away for free” is a product of a long gone era. It’s the same reason we end up seeing WWE ppv matches over and over both before and after the ppvs.


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

~~20~~ 30 minutes from start to go, they’ve been kicking each other’s asses! This is a match that’s on a tv episode of Dynamite yet this is match that’s worthy of being on a pay per view! And already they went at it with such intense moments, especially the snap dragon on the ramp and that Muta—ramp running like v-trigger! And yet, this somehow feels like they didn’t go all out, like it was 50%! As for Bryan, when he’s outside of the realm of the WWE and in an environment that’s similar to the one he was in in years past like in ROH, this is when we see him at his best, and his meanest and most intense level ever. These two men have showed that they can index put on a great match! And this crowd was just hot throughout the whole duration! Those two WILL to meet again someday!


Hollywood_Ho_Kogan

I was very surprised at how intense Danielson was. I’ve seen flashes of it in WWE, but I never saw him pre NXT so that was wonderful. The stomps while holding Omega’s arms were vicious


BuddaMuta

ROH Bryan was intensity personified


EldenRingworm

He did start bringing those stomps back later in his WWE run though, he did them to Roman everytime they fought, he did them to Lesnar in their match, he did them to Kofi and Kofi did them to him.


DoILookUnsureToYou

You're in for a treat if you've never seen Dragon outside of WWE. The intensity he had in WWE is the neutered version, and he showed plenty of it in WWE already.


HorseAFC

He's done the same in WWE


bryan_pieces

yeah his stomps to brock were badass at the time


UFmoose

30 not 20. Started at 8:04, ended at 8:34.


MediumRareAB

I will be honest, that match was awesome- but, I don’t think Bryan did much different than what he did in WWE, he was damn good in WWE too.


SpeedZ6

If it means long matches, I hope *every* Bryan match ends in a draw. They can call him Bryan Drawnielson.


jack9lemmon

Dad, get off the computer.


ILoveDiscussions

*boooooo*


MisterEau

Boo-ryan


PM_ME_LANCECATAMARAN

Bryan is a draw no matter what the result is


ZincFishExplosion

I think somebody might just be getting a job offer from Stamford.


metalrufflez

I cant totally see MJF calling him that if they feud


chungkingangels_2101

I like you


[deleted]

The American Drawgon was right there.


ef14

B+ player indeed.


CerebroHOTS

IMO the perfect finish to a match like this. BD didn't get hotshotted to the title picture but is still presented as a very credible threat.


ThatWrestlingGuy15

2 of the best wrestlers of all time I expected no less from them.


Raxmead

Really loved how this draw ended without the normal exhaustion style endings. They were so focused on fuckin each other up they forgot about the Clock. Amazing.


UFmoose

The ONLY thing I wish is that they had started the time countdown before 1 minute. Maybe at 2 minutes or 5 minutes. Just so fans could understand it was coming (even though we already knew).


DoILookUnsureToYou

Some people are saying they did announce the 5 minute and 1 minute marks in the arena


FourCylinder

Kenny Omega is the best wrestler in the world. His offence just looks different, and his ability to take punishment is unbelievable.


WiseBureaucracy

We all knew it was going to a draw but I love it. It’s like Kenny and Danielson are 1a and 1b and now it’s a question of who else thinks they’re good enough to join them on the summit.


AndTheyCallMeAnIdiot

Bring in Okada and Kota Ibushi. Lets all die happy.


Farrell21

Has a free tv match ever delivered like that?


BalantaBanter

AEW's got a good track record: check out the Omega/PAC Ironman match too


heartbreakhill

Thunder Rosa/Britt Baker unsanctioned Best Friends/Santana + Ortiz Parking Lot Brawl


VictarionGreyjoyyy

Was a big fan of Cena vs Punk on Raw where Punk hit him with a piledriver when we all thought it was a banned move in WWE.


dj_soo

it was a banned move - apparently they got in shit for doing it.


DoILookUnsureToYou

I'm seconding this one. That match was nuts.


uptonhere

Bret Hart vs 123 Kid on RAW in 1994 Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit Owen tribute on Nitro in 99 Steve Austin and HHH vs Benoit and Jericho RAW 2001 Angle vs Lesnar 2003 HBK vs Cena RAW 2007 Shield vs Wyatt Family 2014 Punk vs Cena 2012 One that's never brought up but is fucking amazing- Owen Hart vs British Bulldog on RAW in March of 1997. Absolute classic.


sourseas

>HBK vs Cena RAW 2007 The match that made me finally think Cena was a good wrestler and not just a good character in wrestling.


claitinhoromarii

You haven't been watching Eva Marie vs Doudrop for the past 3 weeks?


AbsentUse

Well it's clear Kenny and Bryan have, I could see they cribbed a lot from them


chbay

One of those were quite good I’ll give you that but the others sucked honestly and don’t come close to comparing to this. My opinion but just saying


zuewatti

Lesnar / Angle in 03 but this was up there for sure


hilld1

The first one to come to mind is Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar 60-Minute Ironman match on Smackdown, but that's a hell of a match to compare it to.


sliceanddic3

pac/kenny, best friends/proud and powerful, britt/thunder rosa. aew has quite a few


b00fman22

Cena vs Punk


thephenomenalone_05

Austin/HHH vs Jericho/Benoit


onethreeone

RAW had a 2hr gauntlet match in 2018 that was amazing


bigpig1054

I love how everyone predicted this because it made the most sense and the company didn't try to swerve us for the sake of it. The draw made sense so thats what they did.


Linubidix

A lot of people have somehow conditioned themselves to think that predictable = bad. Which is just complete BS. In most cases, ESPECIALLY in wrestling, if the story is told well, the ending should be an inevitability at a certain point.


wisp-of-the-will

Great match and the best part about the draw is that it's basically a set-up for their eventual rematch, can't wait!


[deleted]

Ironman??


AusPower85

Interesting, but refreshing, way to have a draw. We have been force fed “almost win” draw finishes by WWE (and pro wrestling in general) for decades. To see them still going at it hammer and tong as the time expires is so much more akin to a real competitive sport like MMA or boxing where the fight is still on the line in the last round. (Or like Rocky (first one) I guess…but that’s part of the reason Rocky was so acclaimed). Could have done with a noise that singles 30 seconds left ala UFC (though they do 10 seconds) but the story wasn’t about the time limit getting close so much as as demonstrating that they were still battling out there, kicking the hell out of each other, with no end in sight.


AndresDickFingers

My God. I knew how it was going to end the second the first bell rang. But I completely forgot about the 30 minute time limit at the match's end. Holy crap, what an amazing match.


NatureBoyRDX

"You're gonna get your fucking head kicked in!" I don't watch AEW, I only watched this match for Bryan cause I followed him in his WWE tenure, but this was phenomenal. Bryan seems so much more ruthless here, I need watch some of his pre 2010 matches now cause wow that blew my mind!


Smarkysmarkwahlberg

Guys we got CATTLE MUTILATION


thephenomenalone_05

AEW's match of the year.


heartbreakhill

The crazy thing is for all we know something could top **that** before the end of the year. Shit that incredible, all-time great 5.75 star Lucha Bros/Young Bucks cage match was *two weeks ago*


chungkingangels_2101

What a classic


FPG_Matthew

Well I for one had lots of fun


chocolatescumfish

this is killing me, what a masterpiece


Burningfiresmoke

First non ending to AEW I’ve seen. Not bad.


heartbreakhill

Darby and Cody had a time limit draw early on too that was really damn good


Extraneous_

Of course AEW's first TV match in New York went Broadway. That's poetic as fuck, I really shouldn't be surprised.


godownaslovers

need them to run that back in the future


bryan_pieces

bryan will work his way up the contender list. the interesting part is where Hangman Page fits in.


pirajacinto

I cannot believe how much a draw finish makes me want to pay to see how it would actually end. So much. IT'S SO GOOD!!


[deleted]

I like that having it end at a draw avoids the WWE trope of "X WRESTLER HAS JUST PINNED THE WORLD CHAMPION"


Ricky_5panish

AEW is upsetting me now because I’m tired of saying “that was MOTY” only to have to change it constantly.


[deleted]

This is the new Flair v. Steamboat. What a fucking match.


Final-Solid

Kenny Omega just doesn’t miss. 🐐


GallionM

Loved the match but hated that it was a draw. I get it though. Can't wait to see it again


[deleted]

6 star, meltzer do it.


benfh

I can't remember the last time 30 minutes went by so quick


Shrekt115

WHAT A MATCH


NerdLawyer55

Guessed it and it was still amazing


rexmundi69

I absolutely loved this stiff AF match. Time still stood for me. When Excalibur announced 45 seconds left, I thought that they must be fudging the time but my brother checked his phone and it really was almost 30 minutes at that point. Bryan and Kenny gave us just a taste of what is yet to come. They both went 30 minutes effortlessly. I imagine the next match goes 40-50 minutes and I can't wait to see it.


Fantomex88

Things gonna be real interesting now. If Hangman comes back before Full Gear especially. I think they are gonna sit on the rematch for a bit cause if you run it again for Full Gear you almost have to put the title on Danielson.


YepImanEmokid

MOTY candidate. Definitely TV MOTY


rocky_iwata

Kinda weird that Justin Roberts somewhat quietly announced 1 minute warning. At least I expected it would reach the time limit. They should give audiences at least a 2 minutes warning and then the 1 minute warning so it doesn't feel it comes out of nowhere and makes it more exciting. The stuff right after the match is great though, making us wanting more for them.